Subject: SMML04/12/97VOL019 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- INDEX 1: Accurizing USS New Jersey 2: Book Reviews - Photo archive 3: Re HELP! 4: Re: Enterprise 5: My 2 Cents! 6: Re: Torpedo Boats 7: Raven vs. Walkowiak (Floating Drydock) 8: Photo-Etched Railings 9: Book Review archive 10: Revell's Firefighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Matti Kurki Subject: Accurizing USS New Jersey Hi, My next ship project is Tamiya's USS New Jersey in 1/350th scale in 1968 or 1982 refit (haven't decided yet). I'd appreciate if anybody out there (Dale, Greg) pointed out to me how to accurize/upgrade this fine kit. What I'm after is the information what references to have, aftermarket products to use, and generally how to achieve as accurate model as possible in 1/350th scale. I'm also very intersted in building large scale (1/96 - 1/192) USS IOWA class Battleship. Thanks, Matti Kurki ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Gene Larson Subject: Book Reviews - Photo archive I agree with Greg on the copyright limitations. Small snippets can be copied for research, reviews. etc, but not whole pages and photos. If a review creates interest, then the legal procedure to to purchase the item. To copy pages permission must be received from the copyright holder. Of course, private interchanges occur all the time, which cannot be stopped. Publishers put a lot of time and money into their products, and should receive due compensation. (Spoken like a true publisher - albiet not-for-profit) I like the idea of a photo archive. Two comments, however. A photo takes a long time to download, which usually is not a problem. Recently I received a photo from Dana McCalip and it took over five minutes. Secondly, there are copyright limitations on some photos, even those taken personally. Some institutions such as the Mariners' Museum and Mystic Seaport do not permit "publication" of images from their collections without permission and possibly payment of a fee. For example, I took photos of the Morgan and other vessels at Mystic as well as the general grounds. This is permissible, but they cannot be published anywhere without permission. Placing on a web site I believe is publishing. In fact, if we were to publish in the Journal the photo of the NRG New England tour group standing in front of the Dunton at Mystic with the harbor in the background, we would need permission. The people obscure most of the boat, but... On the other hand, the US Coast Guard Academy says the group photo in front of Eagle and photos in the museum are free to be published. The subjects are in the "public domain". If there is a question, ask first. Just some thoughts. Gene Larson Nautical Research Guild, Inc Alexandria, Virginia mailto:genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: HELP Any questions regarding subs, I'd suggest posting them to the SubCommittee List; you won't find a more sub-knowledgable group anywhere. John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Enterprise Well, I'll try this one more time, since we just found out last night that our e-mail server has been sending things off to never-never land. Anyone building Climax (the Big E's radio call sign during 'Nam) in her Vietnam-era rig, I have black-and-white photos and slides taken of her and her a/c from alongside from BAINBRIDGE (call sign DeSoto--my home of 4 years), and black and whites of air ops taken aboard her while we were aboard printing our cruise book in her print shop. Available to list members, if you're not in a huge hurry. (Hope this gets through this time.) John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Greg Subject: My 2 Cents: Hi Gang, MATTI: Both the Tamiya Mo & Jersey kits are already quiet good, and with GMM's Railing kit, they are really great. I have heard some criticisms, and granted, there are faults, but In my opinion, these are in the top 5% of all kits ever made. If you were to build the Jersey as she Appeared in her early days, you would have to start with Tamiya's USS Missouri kit, most notably, she was carrying 10 Turrets of Twin 5 Inch guns Back then. These were not removed until her re-commissioning / re-configuration upgrade which saw her return to service Dec 28 1982. The Main difference between the 2 kits (Apart form the obvious ie, Turrets, Heli Pad, Vulcan Phalanx, Tomahawks and Launch deck, 40 and 20 mm Guns, Tubs etc, etc,......) Is that the bridge is slightly different, and If you really want the kit to be accurate, you will have to replace the Mo's Bridge with one from the NJ Kit, as its roof is different, and there's some 20mm Gun Tubs on the Mo That NJ was never fitted with. I could go on forever about Iowa's, But for the sake of those not interested, I will leave it there for now. If you need more, let me know! I Just love IOWA Talk!!!! A large scale, I would suggest 1/192, as I believe (Don't quote me on this) there is a 1/192 Iowa Class Plastic hull available somewhere, Drop Bill Gruner at Pacific Front a note, I think they had one, and I know they built a 1/192 Missouri. Also The Floating Drydock have a First Class Plan book available which is also in 1/192 Scale, making it very easy to keep your scratchbuilding in scale. GMM do 1/200 2 & 3 Bar Railing, with upswept rails for the bow, they also have a 1/192 WWII Battleship Missouri Set, and suitable decals. Eyed Stanchions are also available in this scale (Try Pacific front again for these), so this size will be the easiest for you to work with! Reference wise - there is a heck of lot of stuff available. But really all you need to do is send an E-Mail to Tom Walkowiak at The Floating Drydock, and Get yourself a set of Plans, And If you can find it "Battleship New Jersey - An Illustrated History" by Robert F Sumerall is all you will need. I Know Pacific Front, Drydock, and amazon.com are unable to supply this book, as stocks have dried up - it is hard to find, but well worth the effort. If you get stuck let me know. GENE: İİİİİİİİİİİ Tis but a horrible Lil Thang aint it! A web page is not an option for me $ wise at this stage, but I am looking into it, the list is generating a lot of attention for my server, so they can afford to be a little flexible I feel, But 4 Now, If the pics were kept on someones hard drive Archive style (I guess Mine) when people needed something, they could mail me direct, and I could post it privately, (Distributing, not Publishing:-), thus keeping it off the list (download time), not accessable by any old jack, and as its not "Freely" available, It becomes a private exchange, hence permissable by Law (At least in my country anyways, a photograph is a private work, and the photographer owns all rights to that photo - If the image is of a classified nature, it should not be displayed in a public gallery, but if you were allowed to photograph the subject freely without any restricion, you are able to use your discretion regarding its distribution) I personally would accept donations of photographs from subscribers personal collections only, and public domain pics, I would'nt distribute/accept a copyrighted work - it's to risky!!! Greg. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: BSteinIPMS Subject: Re: Torpedo Boats >> Any body know anything about torpedo boats? << Well, I know one person who probably knows more about PT boats than the rest of us put together: Al Ross, Jr. He is the proprietor of COASTAL FORCES, a mail order business which is a resource for plans, aftermarket accessories, and such, for patrol boats of most eras. He also designed and built the prototype for BlueJacket Shipcrafters 1/48 scale 80' ELCO PT boat. He is also the co-author (with John Lambert) of "Allied Coastal Forces". Without infringing on Al's privacy, you might drop a discreet note to: (ADDRESS WITHHELD - MAIL LISTMASTER WITH QUESTIONS) Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Dan Goodpasture Subject: Raven vs. Walkowiak (Floating Drydock) Hi all. I'd like to hear some input on this... I just received the 1997/3 (new) Plastic Ship Modeler which has the Munsell matches for USN WWII colors by Alan Raven. My previous main reference was Floating Drydock's "USN Camouflage of the WW2 Era." Cross-referencing them I find notable differences in the Munsell numbers. I'm not sure which one to trust. As I see it: (Raven) *Largely recognized as the foremost authority on WWII naval camouflage. *Obvious extensive research. *Recorded many aspects of USN camouflage that Floating Drydock does not address. *Is more scholarly and analytical in his approach, and thus might be more trustworthy. *Looks to have matched actual chips rather than just rehashing USN documents. (Floating Drydock) *Uses official USN documentation. *Far more detailed in the treatment of individual paints. (any idea which way I'm leaning?) I realize that ship camouflage is one of the all-time pains of this hobby. No doubt debated in modelling clubs and leper colonies worldwide (thanks Dave and Carol). Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: BatlWagon@aol.com Subject: Photo-etched railings Hi All! Thanks for the responses to my questions on the USS WARD! Now I have a few questions on modeling techniques. When installing photo-etched railings, when is the best time to attach them? I have been installing them before painting, but that leaves me with trying to touch them up afterwords, if the side and deck colors are different. Next, when the kit has deckhouses molded onto the deck, and the deck and hull are of different colors, how do you spray-paint them? Masking seems like it would be very tedious, and may even require that only one small section be painted at one time. Last, where can I get decals for the hull number on a 1/350 scale US Navy ship? Thanks in advance! Rick ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Dave Carter Subject: Book Review archive Hi Greg, Hi Guys, >> Caroline (WEM), I was just wondering where we stand on copyright as far as scanning a page from a book and privately e-mailing it to each other? I have a lot I could offer the subscribers, just like you guys, I just fear an infringement? Are you familiar with the copyright acts? << Yes, of course you're perfectly right Greg. Officially, even e.g. scanning in a pic of a box-top, a photograph, photocopying some text from a book or magazine.... been there, done that, or copying up a set of plans and supplying them (!) IS infringing copyright. However, it is highly unlikely that a photo E-Mailed across to another person for personal use would attract the wrath of the copyright holder.... I suppose if you started wholesale reprinting plans, books, photo-collections etc, you could find someone on your back! He who is without sin, please fling that first stone! Caroline White Ensign Models,Gardeners Cottage,Cowarne Court,Lower Eggleton, Ledbury,Herefordshire,HR8 2UF,U.K. Tel: 01432 820403 Fax: 01432 820830 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Mike Settle Subject: Revell's Firefighter Hi all, Has anyone here ever done the Revell kit #0389 of the harbor fire boat "Firefighter"? The model is about 19 inches long, and has been an on again, off again project for me for the last 6 months or so. I have a few questions about the ship (yes, she carries lifeboats) that I hope someone can answer. There is no history at all on the instruction sheet. 1. What is the exact scale? From the size of the men in the kit it appears to be approximately HO or 1/87th. This would scale out to be about 140 ft. long for the 1:1 version. 2. Did a prototype exist? I built a smaller model of this one as a kid about 30 years ago, and if I remember correctly, it was then stated to be a New York Harbor vessel. 3. I don't expect to find a photoetch set for this model, but if anyone else has built her, did you do any extra detailing? 4. Any ideas as to an accurate color scheme? Once again, the instructions are lacking in a lot of areas. I'm not anal about this and will paint what looks good, but I would like to be accurate, if possible. The molds must have some age on them, because I have spent most of my building time so far cleaning up flash and poor seam lines. However, when finished I think this will be quite an attractive model. Thanks in advance for any replies. Mike Settle Our problems are mostly behind us. What we have to do now is fight the solutions. (Anon.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume