Subject: SMML28/01/98VOL073 shipmodels@tac.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****HI GANG**** I arrived back from PSNS this morning, after a very long flight, sorry for the delay in processing some of your requests, and I must apologise to Ken McKelvy, I think one of your posts never actually made it to the list so I am posting it tonight JIC. Well, the Mo is looking a bit rough around the edges, but still has her dignity intact (for the moment anyways). I spent a lot of time onboard with some veterans who told me some cool stories, and I was also the subject of a nice little newspaper story by Travis Baker of the Bremerton Sun, They thought it was cool that I would travel all the way from Aus to WA to see the ship and help with the "Keep Mo on the Mainland" battle, which I was very happy to be in a position to do, I had a great weekend, And I hope Mr Clinton Takes notice of the over 2000 postcards that were sent to The White House pleading with him to Contact Navy Secretary John Dalton and force an open competition and impartial judgement, and for those of you would like to have your say in the matter, send your letters to The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington D.C. 20500-0003 And for those of you building the Mo, I took nearly 200 photos (I was aiming for Don Sheltons record of 510:-) and about 3hrs of video of details about the ship, so if your after a look at a specific part of the ship, I would be happy to help if I can, I also managed a few snaps and minutes of The Carl Vinson, Kitty Hawk, New Jersey, Midway, Ranger etc etc.... Greg (SMML) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- INDEX 1: In search of some parts 2: WTB Heller WWII Ship Kits in scale 1:400 3: WWII Tribal Class Destroyer Camoflage Colors: HMS Matabele 4: Royal Navy and USN Colors in WWII 5: White Ensign Models Kashmir, WW2 K Class destroyer 6: Titanic's Port and Starboard 7: Re: Titanic's Port and Starboard 8: Re: Amati Type VII ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: witsie/ken mckelvy Subject: Re: In search of some parts Bradford: Can't help you immediately on the Civil War pieces, but will look through my catalogs to see if I can find something suitable. As you're willing to accept barrels, would a Rodman/Columbiad work? (I don't know a source for these, either, but might simplify my search.) 1/350 3 in Naval deck gun for a WWII sub. Take a look at Floating Drydock's ordinance drawings. They've probably got one for the gun you want and they're not expensive. In 1:350 you should be able to scratch one pretty easily. >> 1/350 50cal MGs preferably solid (I have PE 50cals and don't like them) << At 1:350, I presume you're doing a ship and, probably one of the U.S.N., so what you're looking for is the Browning M2 Water Cooled on either a Mk.III or Mk.IX mount. These, I assure you are easily done in your scale. The barrel/jacket is simply a piece of rod - the muzzle gland makes business-end basicly flat. A rectangular shape, slightly taller than the diameter of the barrel/Jacket and about 2/3 wide will make the casing -- it should be approx. 5/8 the length of the barrel. If you want to try this, let me know and I'll sketch to two mounts and their sights. Ken McKelvy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Reidar Berg" Subject: WTB Heller WWII Ship Kits in scale 1:400 WTB Heller WWII Ship Kits in scale 1:400 I am looking for the following Ship Kits in scale 1:400 from Heller: Richelieu, French BB, WWII Strasbourg, French BC, WWII HMS Illustrious, RN CV, WWII If you have some of this kits lying around and you are willing to sell, please send me an e-mail. This kits must be unbuilt and complete with all parts on the sprue Reidar Berg, Narvik, Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Dave Carter Subject: WWII Tribal Class Destroyer Camoflage Colors: HMS Matabele Hi Mike, >> I'm trying to find some info concerning the camo scheme worn by the WWII era Tribal class destroyer HMS Matabele in 1941. << Well, unless someone out there has got one lurking in their attic, you are almost certainly out of luck here. We have checked our available references to assist you here, and are unable to help...however, with a fair few Camouflage experts on board here, you may be lucky! Caroline P.S. in my previous posting re colour chips, this should have read "how much white or other colour would be needed for scale effect" White Ensign Models,Gardeners Cottage,Cowarne Court,Lower Eggleton, Ledbury,Herefordshire,HR8 2UF,U.K. Tel: 01432 820403 Fax: 01432 820830 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Royal Navy and USN Colors in WWII Greetings to all... I've read the posts regarding warship colors for some time now, both on RMS and SMML. My associates and myself have successfully matched all Royal Navy and all US Navy colors to commercially available house paints in the US. Strange as it may seem, the commercial housepaint companies produce thousands of paint chips for their colors. While this chart will not give you mixing formulas, it will provide you with accurate 1929 Munsell colors for the codes previously published in PSM. My associates and myself accomplished this task by contacting Gretag-Macbeth (aka Munsell) and requesting 1929 repro color chips for the RN colors. We then compared those chips to an actual 1929 Munsell book of Color, then located commercial paint chips to match. We had 3 separate individuals compare and contrast the colors under 3 different light sources, natural, flourescent, and incandescent. We categorized each of the colors without comparing data, and our conclusions were 95% unanimous. We did not however, calculate the scale effect of the colors, these colors are perfect if you are building a 1:1 scale ship. Every modeler has his or her preferences as to toning down paint, and the effect they wish to achieve with regards to wethering etc...we will leave this up to you. For a complete listing of all USN and RN colors, please e-mail me directly at jherne@hotmail.com, or Jon Warneke at montreal@usit.net. We will e-mail you a list of the colors and their appropriate commercial matches. For those of you outside of the US, arrangements can be made to get you a set of chips for a nominal charge... Regards, Jeff Herne Accurate Image Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Dave Carter Subject: White Ensign Models Kashmir, WW2 K Class destroyer Also posted on RMS: Hi guys, Following a "chat" with Mike Eisenstadt re. availability of the WEM 1/700 HMS Kashmir, expalining that we have ended up with a higher casting cost than anticipated.. we are umming and ahing as to whether we get this up into production or not, due to having to sell 100 of these kits to break even. The kit has been recently super-detailed and retooled PRIOR to release,by Brian Fawcett of MDC, at a cost to us of 100s of pounds, to bring it up to current standards, but reservations are not as high as we would like. Like the other releases, including the recently released Bluebell that I know some of you bought, an individually designed relief photetched brass set (4 by 3.5 inches size) will accompany this kit to provide every last detail from doors and hatches to ladders, davits etc. Please let Dave and I know if there are any more of you out there who would like to reserve a kit at £23.79, post free worldwide. Cheers Caroline White Ensign Models,Gardeners Cottage,Cowarne Court,Lower Eggleton, Ledbury,Herefordshire,HR8 2UF,U.K. Tel: 01432 820403 Fax: 01432 820830 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Michael Kear Subject: Titanic's Port and Starboard G'day all, There has been some discussion lately in the Sydney Morning Herald, because a correspondent noticed that at the crucial moment, the captain yelled "Hard over starboard" yet the ship turned to port. Did anyone else notice this? The discussion centred around whether the filmmakers were so dumb they spent a zillion bucks on all the special effects yet didn't even have a maritime expert consultant on the staff. However, on Monday came the following fascinating and little-known fact. (This should win a few bets in bars, folks!!) The Sydney Morning Herald writes: [QUOTE BEGINS] "Old and young salts say the makers of the film 'Titanic' were spot-on historically when they had the helmsman, once the iceberg was sighted, turn the wheel "hard over starboard", yet the ship turned to port. Oldest salt was 86-year-old master mariner Jim Anderson of Berkeley Vale (a suburb of Sydney) and 82-year-old Captain (Bill) Cook, ex RAN. Younger history teacher Ian French of Hunters Hill (another Sydney suburb) provided this extract from the book "Titanic" by Leo Marriott: [Murdoch, the First Officer] . . . ordered the helmsman . . . to turn the wheel, "Hard Starboard" . . . causing the ship to begin swinging to port (the apparent discrepancy between the helm order and the direction of the turn results from the system of orders in common use at the time which dated back to the days when ships were steered by a tiller, and putting it to starboard resulted in a turn to port and vice versa - this system survived until the more logical present system was made standard in 1928)." [END QUOTE] I hope you find this as interesting as I did. Fair winds and following seas, Mike Kear, Webmaster, Task Force 72 Australia 1/72 Scale warship modellers, Australia Check out our web site, at http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/taskforce72.html Windsor, NSW, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Greg Lee (Listmaster - SMML) Subject: Titanic's Port and Starboard Just one other point, wasn't there an order given to "Full Reverse" as well? If an order was given to starboard, and engines were reversed, wouldn't that actually produce opposite results to what may occur if the engines were driving forward? Greg (Listmaster - SMML) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Kenneth Hagerup Subject: Re: Amati Type VII I am also in the process of building this kit and definitely concur with the need to pre-paint the area under the deck flat black before attaching the hull sides. A few other areas to watch out for: I found that the metal deck plates together were longer than the deck. I trimmed a little off the aftermost brass deck piece and built up the stern about 2mm with putty. Drilling consistent oblong holes on the bottom of the bow looks like it will be extraordinarily challenging. I think I will end up scanning the diagram and printing a copy on clear decal sheet. The round holes seem easy enough to do. I plan to scribe the lines of the major hull plates and superglue stretched sprue to simulate the weld beads. Only a single figure is included, but the Airfix E-boat has some additional crew which are suitable. Ken ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume