Subject: SMML24/02/98VOL100 shipmodels@wr.com.au --------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***HAPPY 100th SMML*** Well we made it, 100 Issues. Thanks to all subscribers, and contributers, if it wasn't for you there would be no SMML - well done everybody! And thanks to everybody who has posted in to make todays volume extra juicy! Lets Make the next 100 even better! Greg (Listmaster - SMML) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- INDEX 1: 100th issue/Uss Missouri/HMS Revenge 2: W.W.II Landing Ship Medium 3: Kits for sale 4: TRADE: Revell HMS Prince of Wales (1/570) 5: Photo tours of ships on display 6: More Seahawk Stuff 7: Where I live.... 8: Underway Replenishment vessels 9: Lead in fittings 10: Display Cases 11: Re: Replenishment at sea 12: HM Barque Endeavour Replica 13: CA Glue crazing clear parts 14: Coming up in the next NAVISMAGAZINE.COM 15: Re: Merchant Ship Books 16: Idea: Shinyo 17: USS Indianapolis colors, et al 18: USN Five Inch 38 Cal Gun ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: TANewell@aol.com Subject: 100th issue/Uss Missouri/HMS Revenge Hi Greg... Congrats on your 100th issue! Saw my name in it and thought that I'd better respond...the reason that you haven't heard from me is because I've been busy with the 1/350 Missouri...took about 3 weeks just to stain the decks using the plank by plank method. Glad to hear that you came up with an alternative method ...I don't think that I could go through that again! Anyway, the decks are now going onto the hull and I'm starting the superstructure, adding the P/E railings as I go. Ryan's Prince of Wales is at about the same point...his major accomplishment so far is the completion of the wild camoflage scheme that the PoW carried at the time of her demise. I still haven't figured out what to do about the Mo's 20mm AA guns...I would like to detail these (all 54 of 'em!) with P/E sights, shoulder handles, etc. but I can't find a fret available for them... the Gold Medal Missouri fret has shields for these guns, but that's all. I bought a old UPC kit of the HMS Revenge (Royal Sovereign class British BB) over the 'net a while back...it looks like it's about late 1960's vintage. It's in 1/500 scale, so it's comparable in size to Revell's Arizona, and I would also rate the level of detail to be comparable with the Arizona, without the hassle of molded-on railings. It's a full-hull kit, and I understand that it was originally released by Frog. It seems to represent the Revenge in late 30's fit...any comments about this kit would be greatly appreciated. Tim Newell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: PERATHJEN@aol.com Subject: W.W.II Landing Ship Medium I hope I am not cluttering up this great site, but I have been looking for a long time for a kit or finished model of the W.W.II Landing Ship Medium (LSM). I probably have put this request for help on here before, and if so I am sorry, but I am a pretty old guy, who served aboard an LSM, and my grandsons are curious about what kind of ship had a conn off to one side, etc. I have learned that Lindberg had a kit that is now no longer in production, and I thought someone may have one lying on their shelf. It was a wonderfully ugly vessel, but it was what we had. I have tried almost every source in the magazines, on the net, etc., with no luck. Can anyone help me? I would be very grateful for any assistance. Paul Rathjen, Beaverton, Oregon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: witsie/ken mckelvy Subject: Kits for sale I responded to a for-sale notice on rms and the list included the following items. HARUNA 1/450 FUJIMI 5S1-1200 20.00 HMS KING GEORGE V 1/350 TAMIYA 7310 55.00 TYPHOON CLASS SUB 1/400 REVELL 5231 5.00 USS FOREST SHERMAN REVELL 10.00 USS OREGON 1/225 GLENCOE 08301 10.00 YAMATO 1/600 OTAKI OT1-28-800 5.00 Don't know if these are worthwhile, but thought someone might be interested. They were posted by Dick Montgomery and his email address is: montgomery@stic.net Ken McKelvy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Joseph R. Boeke" Subject: TRADE: Revell HMS Prince of Wales (1/570) I have a copy of Revell's HMS PoW that I know I am not going to build. If anyone is interested in trading something for it, let me know. FYI, my primary interest [now] is 1/700 WWII topics. Thanks, Joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Rob Mackie" Subject: Photo tours of ships on display Mark wrote: >> I was wondering if if might be helpful for each of us to let the rest know where we are and what ships are available to photograph for modeling references. For example, I'm just north of Boston - we have the Constitution, Cassin Young, Salem, Massachusetts, Albacore, Lionfish, a couple of PT boats all in the area. I've photographed each of these << The Warship web page has a new feature called "Photo tours". You can view it at: http://warship.simplenet.com/features.htm There are currently 3 ships available for viewing (Cassin Young, Joseph P. Kennedy, Ticonderoga class cruiser USS Antietam). Each feature has between 15 - 30 high quality photos of the featured vessel. We have another 16 photo tours in development: BB Missouri, BB New Jersey, Burke class destroyer, Gato class sub, USS Kidd, BB Alabama, BB North Carolina, BB Massachusetts, Heavy Cruiser USS Salem, Perry class frigate, HMS Fife, Liberty Ship O'Brien, Essex class carriers Intrepid and Hornet, Destroyer escort et al. These features will be published at the rate of approximately 2 per week. We will add the Burke class DDG and the Liberty ship O'Brien this week. Any of you with ships nearby you would like to photograph and write about for this feature (or add your photos to existing features) are invited to contribute. Warship has unlimited server space so there is no limit on the number of ships we can display. We would especially like to add ships on display outside of North America. Rob Mackie Warship http://warship.simplenet.com The Free Site for Ship Modelers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Joseph W. Divar" <110055.3477@compuserve.com> Subject: More Seahawk Stuff >> There are 24 Sonobouys located on the left side of the helio facing outboard. They are pnematically deployed from the helio . Sorry forgot to ask the configuration. Was it 4 rows and 6 columns or 6 rows and 4 columns?? << Actually, it's 5X5, for a total of 25. Henry has also brought up some other interesting points. The SH-60B is very different from the SH-60F as well, the CV variant. When 60Bs operate, via cross-deck exchanges, with CV helos (HS squadrons) we run into some small logistical problems. Movement from flight deck to hangar deck being one. Due to the addition of the data link radome, ESM fairing and the antennae radome, movement between hangars internally is a problem. The 60Fs don't have this problem since they don't have all the stuff hanging off their "chins" like the 60B does. This added equipment can strike the tracks for the fire wall doors in the hangar bays during movements. Logistically we can carry at anyone time: 3 Mk46 or Mk50 torpedoes (though not likely), or a mix of one Penguin and one Mk46/50, or Hellfire pod and one Mk46/50 (though not likely either since the FLIR pod would most likely occupy the STBD weapons pylon). The 60R "Romeo" will be a modularized version of the Foxtrot and Bravo. Squadrons will be able to mix & match for expected threat environments. The HSL "Bravo" guys will be able to play with dipping sonar now and the HS "Foxtrot" boys may or may not be able to play with radar, IFF and other things they have been without. No one "really" knows since the story seems to change from day to day here. There's even talk about doing away with HS and HSL communities and merging into one HS/L community. Over my dead body. I'll believe it when I see the final product and not a minute sooner. Take the Romeo stuff with a grain of salt too. I'm currently flying T-34Cs as an instructor and haven't been around an active HSL fleet squadron in over 12 months . Regards, Joe & Mary Divar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "John L. Bishop" Subject: Where I live.... I live outside Chicago, IL - Where the Museum of Science and Industry has the U-505, a German Type IV.... John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: LeadSled58@aol.com Subject: Underway Replenishment vessels >> Let's surmise for a moment that I wanted to put my 1/350 Enterprise in a diorama where she was being replenished at sea. Does anyone have any knowledge of exactly what kind of ship could be used for the supply ship in 1/350 scale? Is there at least a ship model out there that could be used at least for the hull to get started? << If I am not mistaken, there is a SSP of the Revell/Monogram T-3 Oiler out there in 1/400 scale. It would not be too hard to convert it into a T-AO or T-AOE. Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: genenrg@erols.com Subject: Lead in fittings An active discussion has taken place on a ship modeling list relative to lead in fittings. Although not regular practice, I have placed on the NRG web site an article from the last Journal relative to lead in "Lead free Britannia" fittings. This article is of interest to all model builders. In addition, there will be another article in the March issue of the Journal that will shed a lot of light on "lead disease". The article can be seen by clicking on the last item on the NRG "Home Page" at: http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org Hope this helps model builders. Gene Larson Alexandria, VA Nautical Research Guild mailto:genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: RJMV85A@prodigy.com (MR PAUL F SWINFORD) Subject: Display Cases Does anyone know of a supplier of glass or plastic rectangular display cases???? I have a collection of 8 small tall ship models I would like to have out to enjoy and avoid the dust. The plan is to find shelves for each one, attach it to the wall, and set the models and the covers on the shelves. They range in size from 15"w, 15"t, 4"d to 22"w, 18"t, 4 1/2"d. Thanks Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Replenishment at sea >> Let's surmise for a moment that I wanted to put my 1/350 Enterprise in a diorama where she was being replenished at sea. Does anyone have any knowledge of exactly what kind of ship could be used for the supply ship in 1/350 scale? Is there at least a ship model out there that could be used at least for the hull to get started? Also, any suggestions as to some decent photographs of refueling a carrier at sea? Book recommendations? << "Gray Steel and Black Oil", Fast Tankers and Replenishment at Sea in the U. S. Navy, 1912-1992, by Thomas Wildenburg, is an excellent book on the history of at-sea replenishment. Although it contains quite a few pictures, only three or four involve carriers. The book is available from Customer Service, The U. S. Naval Institute, 2062 Generals Highway Annapolis, MD 21401, USA or call 1-800-233-8764. Mike Settle Our problems are mostly behind us. What we have to do now is fight the solutions. (Anon.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Michael Kear Subject: HM Barque Endeavour Replica For those of you who are interested in square riggers, I must encourage you to go and see the HM Barque Endeavour Replica when she comes to your neck of the woods. This ship is **THE** BEST** replica I have ever heard of. Endeavour was begun as an Australian bicentennial project and after a shaky financial start, was given to the Australian Nation. The replica has been built with astonishing attention to historical accuracy. I read a report by someone from the UK National Maritime Museum at Greenwich who said that she had worked full time on the project as a researcher, advising on materials, seamanship of the time, shipbuilding etc etc. The concessions they have to make to current safety standards, (e.g. radios, satnav, refrigeration etc) have been extremely well hidden so from the outside at least, the ship looks like her prototype of 200 years ago. I am a New Zealander in fact, even though I live here in Australia. Frankly to see this ship that was so important to European development of the southern hemisphere sailing into Sydney Harbour under full sail gave me goosebumps. As I stood on the deck of Endeavour in Sydney's Darling Harbour, looking up the mast at the maze of rigging, I let my mind wander and thought about the exploits of Capt James Cook all those years ago, travelling totally uncharted waters looking for the Great Southern Land they felt certain must be there. This ship is so small compared to the square riggers we are used to seeing these days, yet Cook sailed it round the globe for years, never knowing where or if they were going to find land again. She's on a world tour at the moment. Right now, She's crossing the Atlantic on her way to Florida, and then will spend most of this year making her way north, visiting most of the ports up the US Atlantic seaboard, ending up in Nova Scotia in October. You can go aboard the ship when she's in harbour near you, and if you want you can sail aboard for a 10 day voyage. You can see more about the replica at her web site: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~vortex/ There's photos, schedules, maps, reports, etc on the site. Disclaimer: I have no connection with the Endeavour Foundation except to wish I had taken the chance to sail on the ship when I had it. Perhaps I'll get another chance when she comes back to Australia in a couple of years. Fair winds and following seas, Mike Kear, Webmaster, Task Force 72 Australia 1/72 Scale warship modellers, Australia http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/taskforce72.html AFP Models - Warship fittings, semi-kits, hulls, accessories. http://www.zip.com.au/~mkear/AFP_Catalogue_Master.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Michael Kear Subject: CA Glue crazing clear parts Greg, From my reading of Fine Scale Modeler magazine and other model publications, what most of our plastic aeroplane kit modelling brethren use for these parts is white glue. For those of us in Australia, that's the PVA glue used for woodwork. While it's not instant like CA, and it's not as strong as CA or the solvent glues used on styrene, it doesn't craze the clear parts. It's actually the fumes given off when the CA cures that crazes the clear plastic parts. The white glue doesn't give off these fumes so its safe. You apply it by dropping a dollop of the glue onto a piece of scrap styrene or metal, and then picking it up and applying it to your model with a toothpick. I actually went and lashed out when I was more flush with money one time and bought a near little squadron gadget that looks like one of those rotten things dentists use to poke at your teeth. It has a tiny hook on the end and it picks up a minute drop of glue and you can apply it accurately to your model. Fair winds and following seas, Mike Kear, Windsor, NSW, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Paolo Pizzi Subject: Coming up in the next NAVISMAGAZINE.COM - The largest YAMATO model in the world (1/50!!) plus other IJN and JMSDF magnificent large scale (1/50-1/100) replicas (Nagato, Haruna, Kongo, Myoko, Mikasa, Shikishima etc.) - Building the new PM 1/48 Me-410 - Exclusive walkaround pictures of the Royal Yacht BRITANNIA - 360 degrees: USMC AV8-B Harrier II Plus walkaround - Yamamoto's Betty - 1/200 Kriegsmarine models salvaged from the ruins of Nazi Germany - Building a 1/700 pier diorama - Warships of the XXI Century: Assault Carriers These and other stories in the March issue of Navismagazine.com, together with scores of new aircraft and ship kit reviews and naval news from the world. Subscribe to the BEST source of information on the internet for air&sea enthusiasts and modelers!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Merchant Ship Books Mark: You asked about merchant ship books, but I wasn't sure if you are looking for titles to purchase, or to look for in libraries, or both. At home my chief references are Talbot-Booth's "Merchant Ships 1942_, Sawyer & Mitchell's _The Liberty Ships_ (of which I have an extra copy available for purchase), and _British Standard Ships of World War I_ by the same authors. One of the best library references I've ever laid my hands on is _Shipbuilding Cyclopedia_, a ca.1920 reference replete with fold-out plans; most of the major vessels or vessel types depicted were still around in WW2. Another good period reference is Charles Desmond's _Wooden Ship Building_, also from the 1920s and depicting a surprising number of sizable wooden merchant steamers. If you can get to a library with a computerized catalog system, such as a university library linked to MELVYL, just do a search under the subject "merchant ships" and you'll be amazed at the wealth of material out there. John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Kenneth Hagerup Subject: Idea: Shinyo If anyone finds themselves with occasion to visit the PT boat museum at Battleship Cove, I'd be eternally grateful for photos of the Shinyo Special Attack Craft. I'd like to build a 1/72 example to go with my Kaiten, Type A submarine, and Oka. If there are any volunteers, I can send a roll of film and a self addressed, stamped return mailer. Thanks, Kenneth Hagerup ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Dan Goodpasture" Subject: USS Indianapolis colors, et al Hi all: I have a Matchbox USS Indianapolis waiting to be built. I plan to paint her up in the Ms. 33 pattern (I think it is Ms.33, could be wrong), but realizing that Ms. 33 patterns had many variations, can someone tell me what colors I'll need? I plan to purchase the Classic Warships book, but since I have to get everything mail-order and have no patience, I'd like to get some color info so I can order everything at once. Also, I've never painted anything in a dazzle pattern. Any hints on how to airbrush a dazzle pattern in 1/700? It seems to be a pretty intimidating task. One final Indianapolis question: reccomendations for photoetch...Tom's Modelworks Northampton set or GMM's Cruiser/Destroyer? I'm leaning towards GMM because I've had nothing but positive experience with both the products and proprietor, and I know I won't be disappointed, but I'm wondering if a photoetch set for this specific class might be a better way to go. Thanks, Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Dan Goodpasture" Subject: Re: Painting techniques and dribble Greg: >> I then looked up the pictures of Loren's Arizona on NAVISMAGAZINE.com and noticed he had filled in the little circles in the deck with black, - are they meant to be knot's in the wood? << I noticed this as well, I assumed they were bolts (OK, really big bolts!) or small hatches. Didn't trust myself to try and paint them though. >> Then came time to apply the grey to the barbette's & bollards etc..., and I also learned I truly suck at this kind of painting, anybody have any idea's on how to make clean sharp edges on such a crowded deck? << Well, if you really want to drive yourself crazy, you can mask off the decks I guess, using a very thin flexible tape that will curve nicely. I went at it differently, masking the steel areas and airbrushing the wood color. I used Pactra tape (1/8 in.) to set the demarcation lines and then masked the rest over with cheap 3M masking tape. I got nice sharp edges and very little bleed-under, except with the bitts. Truth is though, all this masking pretty near put me around the bend. Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Paul O'Reilly" Subject: USN Five Inch 38 Cal Gun First, Congratulations on 100 issues of your newsletter/e-zine, or whatever the computer jargon is for such a thing. May there be many more. I check in daily to catch up, so keep up the good work. Second, Does anyone you have any 5" 38 cal guns in 1/400 or 1/350 scale? I need four of the single barrel guns for a model of the USS Pine Island(Revell). These are the single-barrel guns as found on the Fletcher Class DDs. Paul and Nancy O'Reilly ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume