Subject: SMML22/03/98VOL126 shipmodels@wr.com.au ============================================================================ MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Gold Medal Models and Tamiya 2: Re: Questions on BB New Jersey colors 3: Re: home made decals 4: Re:Seaways Ships in Scale 5: 1:1200 & 1:1250 scale waterline ship models. 6: Re: Revell PT Boats 7: BB New Jersey Colors 8: Re: Decals for 1/1200 Carriers 9: Olympic vs Titanic ============================================================================ TRADERS & ANNOUNCEMENTS INDEX 1: WEM-Decals for 1/1200 Scale Carriers Part2 2: WEM-Decals for 1/1200 Carriers..(see also Part 2 in Advertisers Index) 3: WEM - new kit/Brass releases 4: 1/350 scale resin model of the Salem ============================================================================ MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Dave Carter Subject: Re: Gold Medal Models and Tamiya Hi there, >> How many of Tamiya's 1/350 scale ships do GMM make brass fittings for? << All of them! Cheers Caroline White Ensign Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: montreal@usit.net Subject: Re: Questions on BB New Jersey colors Hi Joe, >> I'm trying to determine what color schemes USS New Jersey, BB-62, carried during two periods: 1. Her first deployment to the Pacific, where she was known as the Black Dragon. My best guess is Measure 21, Navy Blue everywhere above the waterline. Is this correct, and would it include the decks, funnels, anchors and chains, and/or masts? What would be the best match in Polly Scale or Floquil? << You are correct that New Jersey was in Measure 21 during her first deployment. The colors are 5-N Navy Blue on all verticle surfaces, and Deck Blue 20-B on all horizontal surfaces (decks, turret tops, etc.). What I find to be most effective in matching colors is an acrylic paint sold in craft stores or Wal Mart called Apple Barrel colors. Their Indigo color is a perfect match for 20-B, and adding a little white or light blue to it makes a very good 5-N. Also, during her first deployment, she had a different bridge srtucture around the conning tower than what any model has. It's similar to the Iowa's (rounded walkway around the tower), but was enclosed. Kind of an intermediate step between the Iowa and what they eventually got with the Missouri. >> 2. Her second deployment to Korea. Best guess: Battleship Grey everywhere, with holystoned wood decks, and black funnel tops and masts. Same question on paint colors. << That seems to be about right from the photos I'm looking at. >> I have Paul Stillwell's excellent book, but it contains no color photos and insufficient details of the paint jobs over the years. I will be picking up Dulin and Garzke's book and the Iowa class BBs book soon - do they have the info I need? << The D&G book has a lot of good plans in it, but nothing on colors. If the second book is the book by Robert Sumrall, then you'll have a better ref for this class. It's got some very good color plates in the center (one for the Wisconsin in 1952), and some good plan and profiles in the back nothing for the NJ in 1943-44, but there are plenty of photos). Of the wo, the Sumrall book provides more of what you're looking for, but get them both since they are both real good refs. Talk to Ya! Jon Warneke Iron Shipwrights ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SantMin Subject: Re: home made decals >> You may even get good color sheets with a high resolution color printer. Can anyone comment on this method or add some tips? << I have done a lot of work in trying to make my oen decals. In addition to ships I like to scratchbuild 1920's aircraft and there simply are no decals available. First I used rub-on letters and then all was done on the computer. Black was easy, almost any copier or laser printer will work on decal paper (I tried them all and I find that DETAIL MASTER 8.5 x 11 sheet work best) For colors you can make two black outline decals. Apply one, fill in the colors with paint, and then apply the other to "clean up the lines". Full color decals that work really great can be made by printing them on regular paper (except WHITE, color printer and copiers leave white BLANK so the paper will show as white) and take to them an office supply store that has a good color copier and have them copied onto the decal paper. Then came the inexpensive ink-jet printer. Doen not work because the ink will not dry properly on the decal paper, it beads up. I next tried spraying the paper first with dull-kote to give it some tooth. That makes it a lot better but still not something I want to put on one of my models. I now have the ANSWER. I bought an ALPS MD-1000 printer (between 2 and 3 hundred dollars). It uses a dry process that printes beautifully on decal paper and as an added PLUS, it is capable of printing in WHITE and silver and gold. Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: HGYL Subject: Re:Seaways Ships in Scale Can anyone tell me of a stockist (preferably but not necessarily in the U.S.)who might have acopy of the January/February edition of the magazine "Seaways Ships in Scale"? The publisher has sold out. Alternatively, is there anyone out there who has a copy they are prepared to sell to me? Harold Lincoln ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John VCP Subj: 1:1200 & 1:1250 scale waterline ship models. I've been collecting in this scale since 1944 when I got my first 1:1200 ship - the HMS "Devonshire" by Framburg (given to me by a cousin - who was a VB pilot aboard the old "Enterprise" - who was home on leave). I started purchasing these around XMas time in 1945 and my current collection is over 1300 individual ship models. I have tried to stay with the WW 2 recognition models where I could - buying 1:1250s only to complete a given "Navy". If you've gotten the 1998 catalog from ALNAVCO you will see two photos (taken several years ago) of my collection. I have at least one of each major (CV, BB, CA, CL) ship in the navies that were around during WW 2 and quite a few of the smaller ones (DD, DE, PF, PG, SS, etc.). Major thrust over the past few years has been to modify models to reflect the various changes made to the different ship's "rigs" during the war. I also have been building a lot of the "Never-weres" (British "Lion", G3 battlecruiser, and the USN "flying deck cruiser"). Current project is the Jap CVL (projected) "Ibuki" and the German CVL (projected) "Seydlitz". I have a rather large library of reference books on WW2 ships and navies. I am compiling a listing of other collectors ,manufacturers and dealers (world wide) and would like to hear from others. Also trying to put together a listing of these collectors with e-mail (and neat websites). I belong to "Waterline Italia" and INRO; as well as the USNI. I would like to hear from other collectors / builders. John Heasel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Revell PT Boats >> 1) Are there any PE detail sets for these kits? << Not that I know of (he said, dangling his preposition). > 2) Are the Revell kits basically accurate? If not, what are the major pitfalls? Any recommendations for corrections? << I can't speak for the Higgins. The 80' Elco (PT 109) kit is basically accurate, except for the planked deck. The deck planks have to be sanded off--believe me, not the most pleasant task, working around deadlights, etc. There are some other molded-on details, such as the toe rail on the focs'l, that warrant replacement for a more pleasing model. >> 3) Any suggestions for additional detailing (e.g.better weapons, ventilators, deck fittings, etc.) and additional crew figures? << The 20mm oerlikon that comes with the kit isn't really bad, and can be detailed easily with good references. The twin .50 cal. machine guns are poor, but can be replaced with white metal .50s from Aeroclub (5 Silverwood Avenue, Ravenshead, Nottingham NG15 9BU, England, if you can't find them in your local hobby shop); you'll have to scratchbuild the cradle. The turrets need a floor. If you want to build a 40mm Bofors-equipped boat, try the Airfix Bofors with tractor kit as a source for the gun. Replace the toe rail (see above) with scratchbuilt ones from Evergreen styrene. The ventilators are ok, and for extra crew get some 1/72 army figures and go to work modifying them accordingly. Remember, PT crews were a pretty lax lot as far as uniforms go, often wearing only shorts, low boots (boondockers), and a steel helmet. Other than the above, count on doing some sanding to clean up mold marks, etc., and filling seams as you assemble the beast. Best bet: start collecting some of the many references available and study the photos. John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: BB New Jersey Colors Joe: Regarding you question about the camo scheme worn by the USS New Jersey during her first Pacific deployment: my dad served on the New Jersey towards the end of the war and I have his cruise book, which has a number of photos of the New Jersey during the period you're interested in. The following is my interpretation of these photos. She indeed seems to be wearing Measure 21, 5N Navy Blue on all verticle surfaces. The anchor chain looks like they might be a very dark grey hue (this is a difficult call) or 5N; blast bags on main and secondary armament are black; the main barrels just below the blast bag look to be unpainted--they appear to be a shiny gunmetal color; funnel caps (only the very top) are black; fore- and mainmast are a hard call, but look to be black; the foc's'le looks to be 5N Navy Blue or 20-B Deck Blue; and the wooden decks seem to have been left their natural (teak) color (several photos seem to bear this out). Hope this helps, and happy modeling! Mike Eisenstadt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "David & Alicja Lombard" Subject: Re: Decals for 1/1200 Carriers >> I'm looking for a source for deck decals for carriers in this scale. If they're not commercially available, can anyone "walk me through" the process of making my own such decals on my trusty PC? (Or refer me to any publications on the subject). I don't know any commercial products, but I've run into the same problem for my 1/700 scale scratcbuild aircraft. A local hobby shop sold me an 8.5X11 clear decal sheet and gloss spray. I'm putting together a sheet from MSWord in small fonts (2-5 point) and will print it out. I haven't done the actual printing yet because it's taking a long time to perfect the sheet before I print it out (2 and 3 point font is a lot of typing!). You may even get good color sheets with a high resolution color printer. Can anyone comment on this method or add some tips? << I read that an inkjet printer won't work as the ink beads and smudges (this sounds correct). A color impact printer, i.e., with a ribbon, may also work, but the resolution of such a printer is probably too coarse (the colors are highly limited too). I have yet to try a color laser for fear of fusing the decal sheet to the printer, but that is be the most likely candidate. As for designing the decal, a drawing program (I use TurboCAD) is a better choice as you can scale the drawing and/or printed output, you have actual drawing tools, and you get *much* better color choice and fidelity. David Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, California ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SantMin Subject: Re: Olympic vs Titanic Go down to your library and find a book called "The Titanic Conspiracy". It's a book that proports that that isn't the Titanic down there, but really the Olympic, after a switcheroo !!!! Whether or not you believe that, the book does lay out all the differences between the sisters, and shows that most of the photos that we think are Titanic and her interior are really Olympic, taken before Titanic was completed. Chew on that one a while!!!!! Bob Santos ============================================================================ TRADERS & ANNOUNCEMENTS **NOTE FROM LISTMASTER TO W.E.M.** Please remember the recent limits on advertising in SMML, you have exceeded this limit in tonights volume, although you have not been clipped, if you exceed 25 lines again your message will be cut. Greg (Listmaster - SMML) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Carter Subject: Decals for 1/1200 Scale Carriers Part2 Hi John, Just noticed your posting on scratchbuilt aircraft... see part One in Modellers Index.. now for the "Advertising" part! Besides decals for 1/700 aircraft (and aircraft carrier/Naval decals in this scale, also from Gold Medal Models) we at White Ensign Models also produce a range of 1/700 Scale resin aircraft. Check out reviews in PSM... actually, we don't know exactly what Dan Jones said about these!... also check out NAVIS at: http://www.navismagazine.com under current and archived reviews. >> I don't know any commercial products, but I've run into the same problem for my 1/700 scale scratcbuild aircraft. << We have 135 masters in various stages of production (Devastators, Seagulls and Vindicators/a load of helos out next week, by the way), and if you don't spot the aircraft you would like, let us know and we will consider your request. Check out the listing at: http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/air700.htm Cheers! Caroline and Dave. White Ensign Models,Gardeners Cottage,Cowarne Court,Lower Eggleton, Ledbury,Herefordshire,HR8 2UF,U.K. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Dave Carter Subject: Decals for 1/1200 Carriers..(see also Part 2 in Advertisers Index) Hi John, >> I don't know any commercial products, but I've run into the same problem> for my 1/700 scale scratcbuild aircraft. << Are you aware of the excellent little sheet in 1/700 Scale from Loren Perry/Gold Medal Models? This sheet contains hundreds of 1/700 Scale aircraft markings for several nations, and is pretty reasonably priced. We and other retailers can supply this. Cheers Caroline White Ensign Models,Gardeners Cottage,Cowarne Court,Lower Eggleton, Ledbury,Herefordshire,HR8 2UF,U.K. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Dave Carter Subject: White Ensign Models new kit/Brass releases Hi Guys, Well, we would like to let you know what's happening here at this time... our U.S. master-maker, Ken Summa, has bought over the completed masters for 1/350 HMS Victorious.. Bob Brown of MDC passed his seal of approval yesterday... parts will be included for HMS Formidable and HMS Illustrious, so one of 3 carriers can be built. The model will have a load of aircraft.. Albacores, Skuas etc. I will be posting pics after Ken returns to the U.S. The 1/350 HMS Repulse and Renown masters are now complete... again, photos will be posted. The masters for the 1/350 HMS Sheffield 1941 are almost completed... although we are off to London... again(!).. this time for detailed pics of the ships' aircraft handling system. We will have kits ON SALE at the U.S. Nats... anyone who has thought about modelling Sheffield will definitely want to see this beauty, without doubt our BEST model to date.. and at a price that will NOT break the bank. If you do head on down to the Santa Clara convention in July, you will see, on our table, a production casting for HMS Victorious and either Repulse or Renown as a kit. The first production castings of the 1/350 WWI M Class destroyer HMS Mary Rose are here, as are the first 1/700 HMS Sussex and 1/700 HMS Warspite castings. We have ended up with an avoidable delay on 1/700 Chester 1916 due to a problem with the etch, neccessitating a re-design... however, hopefully we will be shipping within the week. The WEM 1/700 O Class brass set is having its instructions done, so if you want to build the Tamiya/Skywave kits, this is the set you need at £5.08, post free. The 1/700 HMS Hood brass for the Tamiya kit is also going to be here within the next week or 2.. at £9.75, and based on the WEM 1/350 Hood brass, this set will transform your model. That's all for now. Caroline White Ensign Models,Gardeners Cottage,Cowarne Court,Lower Eggleton, Ledbury,Herefordshire,HR8 2UF,U.K. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: CA139JOHNF Subject: 1/350 scale resin model of the Salem Greetings Fellow Shipmodelers, This is my first posting here so please excuse the the semi commercial nature of this message. I am the Curator/Model Collection aboard the USS Salem(CA139) in Quincy, MA. We are offering a 1/350 scale resin model of the Salem to be available this summer. Anyone interested in the last class of all gun heavy cruisers should check our web site for details: http://www.uss-salem.org We are also looking for high quality ship models of steel ships for our exhibit. If anyone would like to exhibit or donate some of their models we would like to hear from you. Lastly, does anyone have any experience with Poly-Scale Acrylic paint, are they availble in marine/navy colors and who carries them? I am getting a great deal of pleasure from this group. Keep it up! John Frohock ca139johnf@aol.com USNSM ============================================================================ End of Volume