Subject: SMML26/4/98VOL161 shipmodels@wr.com.au ============================================================================ MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re 1/1200 Ship Kits 2: Re: missing kit part 3: Re: Emden or the Dresden 4: Revell Emden and Dresden 5: Re Waterline Models, 1/700 6: 1:1200 collectors/builders/etc 7: HMS Hood. 8: Re: Revell's Emden vs. their Dresden @ 1:350 ============================================================================ MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mr J Owen" Subject: Re: Re 1/1200 Ship Kits John Dowing wrote: >> In regard to the inquiry by James Gray regarding builders of 1:1200 ship models, there are builders in both 1:1200 and 1:1250 scale. These are especially popular in Europe, but there are some builders in the U.S. Most collectors in this scale purchase pre-assembled models. << This, to me, is the real problem with scale, the lack of kits for the model builder. There are only a few makers SEASCALE and SKYTREX have both in the past made white metal kits of a wide range of shops in this scale. LEN JORDAN (England) makes an excellent range of merchant vessels in resin. All of these can be detailed with the addition of brass masts and spars. Jim Owen. P.S. A WEM Flower class covette has also been mentioned recently. I have just completed one and can strongly recommend it. One word of advice, don't drop the etched spreader for the radio cables on the carpet or you will never find it.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SantMin Subject: Re: missing kit part Ray, I hate to tell you this, but I ran a hobby shop for many years and if your hobby shop can't get you replacement parts from the distributor, I would find a new hobby shop. Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Lee Francis Wilhelmsen Subject: Re: Emden or the Dresden >> First of all, is this kit suitable for someone relatively new to ship models? Or would I be biting off more than I can chew? << I have more or less finished my Emden. As someone who has been away from modeling for several years this was my comeback. I found the model to be appropriate for my skills. I built my Emden using the Gold Metal Models PE set which was were the real work started. IMHO I would say that the most difficult part of building the model was removing the plastic *railing* over the bridge and replacing it with it's PE equivalent. All the same this kit is a good place to start for someone to get into ship modeling and gaining experience using PE. I haven't built the Dresden, but from what I hear then it is basically the same kit with some differences under the waterline. If you're still not sure if you should go with the Emden or Dresden then you may want to check out the Tamiya USS Fletcher in 1/350. I haven't made this kit yet, but I've bought it and have been studying the drawings and paint scheme. There is also information available on building the Fletcher on the Navis web site (Free). Best regards Lee Francis Wilhelmsen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ian K Wilkins Subject: Revell Emden and Dresden >> I'm a recent convert to ship modelling (I've built mostly aircraft up to now) and I'm considering buying the Revell Emden or the Dresden. While I would normally have gone for a WW2, 1/700 scale waterline kit, these models look very good and the price is right ! So the questions I'd like to submit to this group's collective experience (and resulting wisdom ;-) ) are the following: - First of all, is this kit suitable for someone relatively new to ship models ? Or would I be biting off more than I can chew? - Comments on RMS regarding accuracy are pretty good so I'd like to know wether there are any pitfalls or particular areas to watch out for during assembly? << I have the Revell Emden kit and think it would be very suitable for someone starting out in ships. There are no real dificulties in assembly and the kit looks very nice when finished. There is a catwalk moulding which is suppossed to extend between the forcastle and quarterdeck which in my kit was pretty warped but I managed to glue it down straight. Also the casemate guns on either side of the hull are a bit fiddly to fit. The kit is designed in such a way that a waterline model can be made and this is what I did with mine. Another aspect I like about the kit is the plate detail moulded into the hull - its overscale but it does look good and helps to give it the characteristic "look" of WW1 cruisers. In general the kit is beautifully moulded, the detail is high and there is even a steam engine included for the pinnace! The kit would also make a fine base for a really superdetailed model and I think there is a photoetch set available. A very nice model straight from the box. Ian Wilkins ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "DOUGLAS MARTIN" Subject: Re Waterline Models, 1/700 Rod: These kits are the 1970s onwards Aoshima/Hasegawa/Tamiya kits, the old (low wl series numbers are the originals). Included in the lists are re-vamped Tamiya and Aoshima kits, replacing the Fujimi models, they are a lot more expensive. (Tamiya 31xxx series, Shokaku, Zuikaku, some Isuzu/Nagara cruisers etc, Aoshima Chikuma/Tone/Akizuki) Skywave are not in the wl series, and are more recent kits (some brand new), and expensive -relatively speaking of course. Regards, Douglas (Scotland) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John VCP Subject: 1:1200 collectors/builders/etc Message to James Gray regarding 1:1200 collectors/builders/etc. Drop me a snailmail address and I'll send you a list of collectors/builders/dealers/manufacturers world-wide. John Heasel (john vco@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Herron, Chris H" Subject: HMS Hood. Hi there, Whilest doing a bit of research on the web I came across this interesting, and certainly historic, photograph of the Hood. It is probably one of the last images of the ship before her dramatic destruction from the guns of the Bismarck. Does anyone have a copy of the original article to which this one refers? http://www.saga.co.uk/publishing/history/hood2.html Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: RCClem Subject: Re: Revell's Emden vs. their Dresden @ 1:350 In response to Nowfel Leulliot (nowfel@worldnet.fr in Paris, France) about the Revell Emden (Kit # 05039 @ 1/350): On 10-16-97 I posted a question regarding the accuracy of the Revell kit and the differences between it and their Dresden kit on the Ships in Scale Seaways List. It started a very detailed, 9 day exchange from several listees that included discussion on propulsion and armament differences of these "sisters". To summarize: The kit measures to 330 ft long and 41 ft in beam. The actual ship was 364.5 ft long and 44+ ft in beam, 4150 tons loaded. Is that close for Revell? You decide. Note that the Emden has two shafts (vertical triple expansion steam engines) with two 4-bladed propellers. The Dresden has four shafts (2 Parsons turbines driving two {?or four?} 3-bladed propellers @ 1.95 m diameter) and (2 vertical triple expansion steam engines driving two 4-bladed propellers). They had almost the same rated speed. During this period of accelerated advances in ship design, the Germans were known for making comparative engineered differences in otherwise similar ships. I recommend ordering the Gold Medal Models' photoetch kit # 350-13 (app $US28). If you have done photoetch before, I recommend GMM's book #HB-1 @ $8. Their may be enough there to fit out both the Emden and the Dresden kits, but ask first to be sure. There are other structural differences in the actual ships that may or may not be shown in the kits. The number of shafts and props is at least accurate, I think. Check the blade count. The responders to my question provided a lengthy set of references for me to attack. Although I do not have any of these messages saved electronically, I did print them out and have them in hand. Since I type at 1 Hz, please contact me off list and I can send a list of them to you. But if enough of you are curious, I suppose I could post it to this list. Let me know. Others were kind enough to post them; maybe I can too. By the way, I paid about $28 for my Emden at a local hobby shop. They currently have both the Emden and the Dresden on the shelf. I think they will make great looking kits and should go together without too much trouble. But research your painting scheme for the period you want to represent. Now my question: We have plastic and resin kits (from 1/192 to 1/400 scale range) of English, American, German, and Russian (maybe some Japanese) warships from this time period. Why no kits of French or Spanish warships in these scales? They built some awesome looking ships back then. Enjoy! Roger Clemens Hinsdale, Illinois USA ============================================================================ End of Volume