Subject: SMML13/5/98VOL178 shipmodels@wr.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: PE brass handwheels 2: Titanic gold stripes 3: Prince of Wales information 4: Card Models 5: Computer techologies for model mastering 6: OLYMPIC 7: Paint 8: USS REGULUS AF-57 and earning a living building models 9: CVE Deck Letters 10: Addresses 11: Photos on the Web ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS & ANNOUNCEMENTS INDEX 1: Book for sale 2: Books for sale 3: Needed: The Discovery of the Bismarck by R. Ballard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Les Dorr Jr." Subject: PE brass handwheels Kind of an expensive solution, but GMM's new shipset for the Revell Midway/Essex/Forrestal has about 20 20mm guns that include tiny handwheels. I supoose they could be cut off and used with the MISSION CAPISTRANO. Price of the set is $40. Not cheap, but if you're going to build the carriers anyway, might work. Les ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "T. J. KOENIGSFELD" Subject: Titanic gold stripes Hey guys, I am in the middle of, yes you guessed it, the Academy Titanic model. I tried to not get sucked in like the whole world has been, but after giving in an watching the movie, I felt some kind of calling telling me to build the model. Anyway, here is my question: What is the best way to paint the gold stripes on the hull of the Titanic? My friend masked his off and the paint "dribbled" in some spots due to the texture of the hull. I have had a few suggestions, such as getting a gold pinstripe decal from RR models, but havent been able to locate any. Any help would be appreciated since I am in between a rock and a hard place!! T. J. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "ELBERT14" Subject: Prince of Wales information Does anyone know of any good reference materials for detailing the British battleship Prince of Wales at the time of the Bismark action? I know the paint scheme but want to know where to put the hatches, doors, latters etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: PERATHJEN Subject: Card Models Wayne, Paper Models International has a huge catalog of card models. They are at 9910 SW Bonnie Brae Drive, Beaverton Oregon, 97008. Phone is 503-646-4289. Hope this helps. Paul Rathjen, Beaverton. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Tim Perry Subject: Computer techologies for model mastering Rusty White: >> The technology is there. It's available now << The technology being discussed here is called Rapid Prototyping, and it is now a multi-billion dollar industry! I had been meaning add my five/eighths to the various resin casting questions, but I hope the following will be of interest to all, if only in a rather abstract way. There are now many methods of generating shapes in various materials directly from 3D CAD data. These include Stereolithography, Laminated Object Manufacture, Fused Deposition Modelling and others. I won't go into details, but essentially a 3D virtual model of the part required is designed on a CAD workstation. The model data is then (usually) 'sliced' by the software to generate a series of layers, still as data at this stage. Then comes the amazing bit! This slice data is passed to the modelmaking device; the Stereolithographic process for example, has a tank of epoxy or acrylic resin liquid. This material will cure, or set, when exposed to UV and laser light. The tank has a movable table within it and initially it is positioned just below the surface of the resin. The data for the first 'slice' of the model is used to scan a laser beam onto the surface, setting the resin into an exact copy of the data, and this adheres to the table. The table is then dropped into the resin, recoating the surface with fresh resin, the laser scans the second 'slice' of the model and sets another layer of resin. The layers are small fractions of a millimeter thick. This process continues until the last layer of the model is scanned, and by this time the table will be deep inside the tank. As if by magic, a solid epoxy resin model matching the original virtual model, now sits on the table! It is removed, liquid resin drained off and cleaned, and after some other work can be used to check assembly, painted, and this is where my daytime job comes in, moulded in Silicone Rubber and replicated in Polyurethane resin. Laminated Object Manufacture and FDM treat the data in a similar way, but LOM used resin coated paper or composite materials on a roll. The material is heat-bonded and pressed onto a table, a laser beam cuts the edges of the 'slice', and criss-crosses the waste material around it. The paper roll is then advanced to a fresh layer, bonded to the first, and the laser cuts the second model layer. This is repeated until eventually a big block of material results, and the waste (cubed by the criss-cross laser cuts) is knocked off to reveal the model. It looks and feels like a solid wooden model, and can be sanded smooth and painted if needed. FDM uses a different approach, where a nozzle rather like an ink jet printer head is used to squirt out molten plastic or wax as it scans across a table, again reproducing the slices of the virtual model. The plastic sets, a planer usually levels the layer, the head moves up a layers-worth and the next layer is deposited, bonding to the first. Again, eventually after many more layers, the model is complete. The main advantage of this process is the model will be in a similar material to the final moulded product, for example ABS or Nylon. Epoxy and acrylic STL models can be fragile. There are many more processes using similar techniques, or us CAD data to direct cutters (or flame, laser, water jet, knife, spark erosion....) and used in combination with other manufacturing methods products as diverse as telephones, medical equipment, engine parts, can all be made this way. The advantages are many, but speed is the main one. Data used to design the part can be used to make test items quickly to spot errors and improve things further, check again, show customers, and then cut moulds and into production, all in the time it used to take just to design the item! Data can be 'scanned in' using lasers so existing products can be reconstructed and reworked. Even more incredible, data from medical scanners has been used to model injuries so that surgeons could rehearse tricky operations before going near the patient with a scalpel. At the moment this is all quite expensive, certainly not in the hobbyist league, but prices are coming down, capability going up all the time. Who knows, if Nintendo got hold of it, put together a 3D modelling package and a cheap desktop 3D printer for kids, we could get some new blood back in the hobby! My Job? I work for an Industrial Design outfit called Kinneir Dufort running the resin casting shop. We have two casting machines, the larger of which will take a 250 Kg RTV tool with a 5 Kg shot weight if neccessary! Check out or web site at http://www.kinneir-dufort.co.uk. If anyone out there is interested, I can put together a list of interesting web sites where these fast developing technologies are showcased. And before anyone asks, we can certainly do castings for any customer but don't be surprised if the bill is more than £1000. Like I said, this is an industrial process with industrial budgets! My hobby interest? When I have a few spare minutes I have been chipping away at a Tamiya 1/350 Fletcher using GM PE parts; my first ship model. (Aircraft are my first love, but hey, don't blame me, blame my Dad...) I'd really like to have a go at scratchbuilding some RN Battle of the Atlantic and Malta Convoy vessels, as well as some of the freighters of those desperate times. Can anyone point me at drawings of the tanker Ohio from Operation Pedestal, for example? Or kits in 1/350? Or even standard parts such as guns, DCs, boats, vents? Otherwise I will have to cast my own..... Sorry this has gone on a bit. Tim Perry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: PulligS Subject: OLYMPIC John M. Graham's THE ONLY WAY TO CROSS pg 139 has an arial rear view of OLYMPIC. You can see starboard rear of ships dazzle paint pattern. This book THE 1ST GREAT OCEAN LINERS IN PHOTOGRAPHS 193 VIEWS 1897-1927 by William Miller and LINERS IN BATTLEDRESS are great books on the big liners ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: PulligS Subject: Paint No comments for the last few wks. this Old West Pac Sailor (USS Mars AFS-1 and USS Regulus AF-57) remembers that the difference in the shades of paint were stark. Every time the hull was painted there was a noticeable dfference in the color. Does anyone else remember the "Lady" contractor at Hong Kong who sent her female crews to paint the ships? We would do a "shoot" before the port call and swap the brass for the paint job also, I do not remember the decks as a solid color but the walkways were dark and the rest was the same color as the hull and superstructure. Was this just on ships during the 60's and 70's or just on auxillaries? For cleanliness the Australian BRISBANE was by far the best looking ship out there with the possible exception of the TRUXTON(no smoke). Thanks Sam Pullig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: PulligS Subject: USS REGULUS AF-57 and earning a living building models We will have a ship reunion in Oct. Has anyone built a model of one of the "victory ships" conversions? A thought, for the guys who want to make a living at model building, why not set up a table with samples of your work at various ship reunions and take orders "with large deposits" just a thought. Thanks Sam Pullig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: PulligS Subject: CVE Deck Letters Poolman's Allied Escort Carriers of WW2, has a number of photos which might be of help both with deck marks and painting. Searcher has a S aft, Tracker has TR right aft, and Khedive has a K, etc. E-mail me if you have a specific request. Thanks Sam Pullig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: PulligS Subject: Addresses Its obvious that we have correspondance from all over the world on this web site would it be possible to identify the country of the writer so that we could develop a feel for how he is writing. Thanks Sam Pullig P.S. I am from Texas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: PulligS Subject: Photos on the Web I have found some web sites for photos but I am sure that there are lots more. Is there a "master" list somewhere of all the sites? Thanks Sam Pullig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS & ANNOUNCEMENTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: LeadSled58 Subject: Book for sale Ahoy mates, I have a hardbound copy of the Illustrated Guide to the Modern Soviet Navy by John Jordan, 159 pages for sale for $7 plus shipping. Thanks Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Books for sale Hi everybody, I'm cleaning out my book shelf, I've got books I'd like to move on to someone who will find them useful.... Warships of WWII by Ian Allen, printed in 1964, hardbound 5.5in. x 7.5in., 638 pages with b/w photos of everything from Battleships to trawlers...a must have for RN nuts, good condition, from Alan Raven's personal library. $75.00 or best offer. The Ships and Aircraft of the US Fleet - 10th Edition, by Samuel L. Morrison, published 1975, softbound 7x10 landscape, 294 b&w pages, tons of pics. Signed by the author, very good cond.,$50 or best offer. Combat Fleets of the World 1976/1977 - by Jean Labayle Couhat, 8x10 landscape, softbound 575 pages, covering all countries, similar in layout to Jane's. Good cond., $75.00 or best offer. The United States Mosquito Fleet, by Bob Ferrell, 1977, very rare, in good condition, softbound 8.5x11 portrait, 60 pages, with 4 sets of plans, lots of detail photos, maps, development histories, fittings drawings, and very good descriptive text. $50.00 or best offer. And real serious.... The United States Navy, from the Revolution to Date, published in 1916, by Francis J. Reynolds, in fair condition, needs front cover rebound, but has 144 pages, 16.5x12 landscape, with large clear b&w pics of pre-WWI battleships, including USS Maine salvage pics, detail photos, etc. Very nice paintings and drawings and some good photos of Civil War era warships. This book is for the serious collector. $150 as is, $200 rebound w/original cover. I also have a bunch of misc. Seaway's Ships in Scale, USNI Proceedings, and Scale Ship Modeler, from the mid-80's to early 90's. $2.00 per, e-mail for a list. Thanks, Jeff Herne Warship PS: Proceeds will benefit the "I'm Saving For A Model Foundation" :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Needed: The Discovery of the Bismarck by R. Ballard Hello, I have a sad story. I lent a number of books about ships of the second world war to the daughter of a friend. I figured that it would be great to encourage more female interest in this hobby. Anyway, her birthday came around (she turned 15) and I told her that she could choose any one book to keep. Well, she chose Dr. Robert Ballard's "The Discovery of the Bismarck" and wouldn't you know it, IT'S OUT OF PRINT! Well, it went for a good cause, but now I have a hole in my library. So, would anyone happen to have an extra copy of this book or know where I could get one? She's really a great kid and there is no way I would go back on my word, but I would REALLY like to get another copy to replace it! I'll gladly pay a reasonable fee plus shipping. "The Discovery of the Bismarck" by Dr. Robert Ballard Regards, Duane Fowler ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume