Subject: SMML16/5/98VOL181 shipmodels@wr.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Profile listings 2: Re: Titanic model website 3: Re:Tom's Arizona 4: Warship Profiles 5: Re: HMS PRINCE of WALES 6: HMS Fearless 7: USS Texas 8: RE: PT-109 9: Re: Prince of Wales information 10: PoW 11: Re: USS Maine @ 1/192 from Iron Shipwrights 12: Mission San Juan Capistrano 13: Re: Warship Profile List 14: Re: USS Houston & HMS Prince of Wales 15: Re: PT-109 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS & ANNOUNCEMENTS INDEX 1: USS Texas BB35 2: Re: Plans for 17/18th Century warships ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins Subject: Re: Profile listings Hi Joe, I can fill in part of the list for you. No.1 HMS Dreadnaught No.2 HMS Cossack No.3 USS Hornet CV-8 -- Cracknel, William H. No.4 KMS Admiral Graf Spee No.5 HMS Campbeltown (USS Buchanan) -- Wingate, John No.6 KMS Prinz Eugen No.7 MTB Vosper -- Cobb, David No.8 HM MTB / Vosper 70ft No.9 USS Charles Ausburne Fletcher Class -- Cracknel, William H. No.10 HMS Illustrious 1939-42 No.11 HMS Illustrious 1942-46 No.12 IJN Kongo No.13 HMS Exeter -- Tonks, Randall No.14 SMS Seydlitz -- Ruge, F. No.15 USS Enterprise CVN-65 No.16 HM Submarine Upholder -- Crawford, M.L.C. No.17 Zara -- Fraccaroli, Aldo No.18 KMS Bismarck No.19 HMS Hood No.20 HMS Hesperus -- Dickens, Peter No.21 USS Tennessee BB43 1920-1929 -- Cracknel, William H. No.22 IJN Yukikaze -- Chiahaya, Masataka and Yasuo Abe. No.23 HMS Furious aircraft carrier 1917-1948 Part 1 -- Jenkins, C.A. No.24 HMS Furious Part 2 1925-48 -- Jenkins, C.A. No.25 SMS Emden -- Forstmeier, Kapt Dr F. No.26 Rubis Free French Submarine -- Rousselot, H.L.G. No.27 SM Torpedo boat B110 -- Ruge, F No.28 USS Indianapolis -- Cracknel, William H. No.29 WARSHIP SPECIAL HMS Belfast -- Wingate, John No.30 No.31 German SCHNELLBOOTE (E-Boats) -- Hummelchen, Dr G. No.32 No.33 No.34 USS Barb Gato Class -- Cracknel, William H. No.35 HMS Eagle early WW2 carrier -- Brown, David No.36 US Navy Monitors of the Civil War -- Cracknel, William H. No.37 No.38 Abdiel Class Fast Minelayers -- Burton, Tom No.39 USS Mississippi BB23 (Greek Kilkis) -- Lautenschlager, Karl No.40 De Ruyter -- Oosten, F.C. van No.4? Sorry but thats all the info I have at the moment. HTH Shane Jenkins Ps: I hope I have put the right intials before the german ships ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: DKrakow105 Subject: Re: Titanic model website From a previous edition >> "Check out this website for great modeling info on the Academy Titanic: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6516/titanic.html << By all means, take a look. This is a cool site with good pics. Dave Krakow ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re:Tom's Arizona >> Has anyone seen, purchased, or reviewed the Viking Models kit? I just aquired a great reference book from Amazon.com and noticed Tom's ModelWorks has a brass set for the ship? Squadron's latest flyer has the kit for $161.00. Also has anyone built the Arizona from Tom's and if so, what was the quality? Both kits are 1/350 scale. << I just picked up an Arizona, the 1941 version, but havent started it yet. On first lookover, It looks awesome!!! It's also a heavy sucker! Be aware of ttwo items: 1. Its a waterline Hull kit. Tom's offers a lower hull for $25, but these may be of limited availability. A note in the kit says that they were leftovers from an earlier limited edition kit of the Arizona. They were rejected because of flaws on the upper part, so presumeably there are not an infinite number of these! 2. He also makes a 1921 fit version of the Arizona, with cagemasts. The 41 is as of 12-7-41 with tripod masts, and the hulls and other parts are not interchangeable, so unless you have a rather good sized wad to spend, You will have to make a choice! Regards, Bradford Chaucer ----------------------------------------------------------------------------4) From: "John Treadwell" Subject: Warship Profiles Full listings is as follows, way back in the early seventies I purchased them as they came out and still have a complete set, some without outer jacket covers No.1 HMS Dreadnought - John Wingate No.2 HMS Cossack - David Lyon No.3 USS Hornet CV-8 -- Cracknel, William H. No.4 KM Admiral Graf Spee - Kapitan zur See Gerhard Bidlingmaier No.5 HMS Campbeltown (USS Buchanan) -- Wingate, John No.6 Kriegsmarine Prinz Eugen - Paul Schmalenbach Fregattenkapitan a.D. No.7 MTB Vosper -- Cobb, David No.8 Kriegsmarine U-107 - Dr Jurgen Rohwer No.9 USS Charles Ausburne Fletcher Class -- Cracknel, William H. No.10 HMS Illustrious - David Lyon No.11 HMS Illustrious Part 2 - David Brown No.12 IJN Kongo Battleship 1912 -1944 - Masataka Chihaya and Yasuo Abe No.13 HMS Exeter -- Tonks, Randall No.14 SMS Seydlitz -- Ruge, F. No.15 USS Enterprise (CVAN-65) - William H Cracknell No.16 HM Submarine Upholder -- Crawford, M.L.C. No.17 Zara -- Fraccaroli, Aldo No.18 Kriegsmarine Bismark - Paul Schmalenbach No.19 HMS Hood - R G Robertson No.20 HMS Hesperus -- Dickens, Peter No.21 USS Tennessee BB43 1920-1929 -- Cracknel, William H. No.22 IJN Yukikaze -- Chiahaya, Masataka and Yasuo Abe. No.23 HMS Furious aircraft carrier 1917-1948 Part 1 -- Jenkins, C.A. No.24 HMS Furious Part 2 1925-48 -- Jenkins, C.A. No.25 SMS Emden -- Forstmeier, Kapt Dr F. No.26 Rubis Free French Submarine -- Rousselot, H.L.G. No.27 SM Torpedo boat B110 -- Ruge, F No.28 USS Indianapolis -- Cracknel, William H. No.29 WARSHIP SPECIAL HMS Belfast -- Wingate, John No.30 IJN Yamato and Mushashi - Masataka Chihaya No.31 German SCHNELLBOOTE (E-Boats) -- Hummelchen, Dr G. No.32 HMS Cavalier and CA Class destroyers - Anthony Preston No.33 German Battlecruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisenau - Paul Schmalenbach No.34 USS Barb Gato Class -- Cracknel, William H. No.35 HMS Eagle early WW2 carrier -- Brown, David No.36 US Navy Monitors of the Civil War -- Cracknel, William H. No.37 SMS Konig - Tobias R G Philbin No.38 Abdiel Class Fast Minelayers -- Burton, Tom No.39 USS Mississippi BB23 (Greek Kilkis) -- Lautenschlager, Karl No.40 De Ruyter -- Oosten, F.C. van No.4? As far as I am aware no more were produced but if anyone knows better ...... Happy Modelling, John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "graham walker" Subject: Re: HMS PRINCE of WALES Colour Dark Grey all over, Teak decks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Mapweasel Subject: HMS Fearless I'm currently collecting info on the HMS Fearless as she appeared during the Falkands War. I have the Osprey book and plansof her sister, the Intrepid, but thats all I can find. Also, I need to replace the cranes that come with the Airfix kit. Any P.E. suggestions? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Brian Mowery ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "David P. Judy III" Subject: USS Texas Steve, I have one of Viking's first "Texas" kits, I am building now. This kit leaves a lot to be desired! The casting is not up to existing standards, almost every part has numerous pinholes! Pinholes are sometimes found in the best of kits, but this kit has way more than its share! The metal parts were missaligned when cast, and the 40mm tubs were poorly cast, also the plans have no reference at all for the photoetched brass! When I was researching this ship I found that if you build it OOB you cannot place it in any time frame! Service for missing parts is nonexistent, I was told they would replace bad and missing parts, but I haven't heard a word in over a month! I decided to backdate it to 1942( thanks to Ted Paris at Iron Shipwright for the needed parts!) As for the Arizona from Tom's? Very nice kit , well worth the money!! Dave Judy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Alan Simon" Subject: RE: PT-109 Article mentioned by David Krakow was "Building Revell's PT 109" by Phil Kirchmeier Jr., FineScale Modeler, 9/94. Kirchmeier used Testor's Medium Green (1913) overall. Alan Simon Atlanta, Georgia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Allan Plumb Subject: Re: Prince of Wales information Stanley (morpheus@skyinet.net) said: >> I also have a POW lying around in 1/700 from Tamiya that hasn't been built yet due to the same lack of info that ELBERT has. I would also rather build a BISMARCK vintage POW rather than the SINGAPORE action one (if they differ at all). << The physical differences are mostly in AA fit: remove the 20mm tubs on the quarterdeck, replace the pom-poms on the turrets with UP projectors. Not sure about the other 20mms. >> My question would then be: Is the recomended paint scheme in Tamiya's box and inst. manual the correct scheme for the POW during the Bismarck action? << Eep! No. During that action, PoW would have been overall medium grey. The IMHO much more interesting pattern in which she sank came later - August 1941, per Raven & Roberts. (I have a 1/350 PoW in that scheme. Bizarre.) Allan Plumb (plumb@phoenix.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "ELBERT14" Subject: PoW To Colin Ritchie, Thanks for responding to my request for information on the Prince of Wales. I tried emailing you at Colin.ritchie@deuatg.co.uk but it was returned as undeliverable. I will check the used book stores around Cincinnati and see if I can find the book you mentioned. You mentioned a few things in your post that I didn't know about the PoW during the Bismark action. For example, the rocket launchers on the turrets and stern and the lack of 20mm guns. I've spent a lot of time painting the decks and hatches, but it looks like I should hold off finishing this model until I get more information on detailing. I did buy the GMM PoW photoetch set and I agree, it's well worth the price. To Stanley Stephen S. Suarez, the research I have done indicates that the Prince of Wales carried an overall medium grey paint scheme at the time of the Bismark action. Metal decks would have been dark grey. The wooden decks would be a fairly unweathered teak color. There is a good series of pictures of a model of the PoW during May 1941 at the White Ensign Models web site. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: RCClem Subject: Re: USS Maine @ 1/192 from Iron Shipwrights To echo Steve Rogers' request about the USS Texas... Has anyone built Iron Shipwrights' USS Maine @ 1/192? I have it and will start as soon as I finish my Heller HMS Victory @ 1/100. But I'd like to talk to someone that has blazed the trail. Someone previously mentioned a possible professional builder/author that may produce an article about his efforts but I lost the note. It is an awesome kit and I must admit I am a bit intimidated by the hull sitting above my monitor staring at me. Roger Clemens Hinsdale, Illinois ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "David & Alicja Lombard" Subject: Mission San Juan Capistrano A little bit ago, someone asked about the Revell "Mission San Juan Capistrano" kit. A good two-part article appeared in the Jan/Feb and Mar/Apr 1998 "Seaway's Ships in Scale" by Dan Jones. To give you a flavor of the kit: "The problem is that the kit is not a Mission-class tanker. In the form that it was originally issued (as the Texaco tanker 'J.L.Hanna'), the kit was probably more accurate, for the 'J.L.Hanna' was a standard T2-SE-A1." Dan's articles look like a must-read for the kit (his "Plastic Ship Modeler" is a must-read, period). He also has a picture of the model on the back cover of his Vol. 4, No 4 PSM. David Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, California ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: RCClem Subject: Re: Warship Profile List I may be the only one that is ignorant of this (but I hope not): Joe Boeke asked for help about a Warship Profile List. His incomplete list include several ships that are of great interest to me. But What is this List? Is this something that we can access? Roger Clemens Hinsdale, Illinois ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Sanartjam Subject: Re: USS Houston & HMS Prince of Wales Hi SMMLers, I think it is at least very probable that the Houston was painted up in "Cavite Blue" by the Battle of the Java Sea, since the Asiatic Fleet was going to that paint color and the photographs of her at Darwin a few weeks before she was sunk don't appear (to me) to be as dark as the 5-D Dark Gray of Ms. 1; they seem more consistent with Cavite Blue, which Admiral Hart described in a 6 December 1941 letter to the Bureau of Ships as "blue gray in color, a shade intermediate between 5S sea blue and 5O ocean grey of reference (c) [Ships 2 of September 1941]...." Hart also says that Cavite Blue was "used in conjunction with a light gray paint above the smoke stack level," but then goes on to say that the "light gray upper works paint is now being eliminated and the entire painting scheme involves the application of one color, the present temporary Cavite blue gray color." Admiral Hart's letter says nothing about the painting of the decks, but I once asked a survivor of the Houston about this and he distinctly remembered the decks being painted blue; whether that was Deck Blue or something else, I don't know. He didn't remember anything about whether the turret tops were also painted blue. On the Prince of Wales, I am not aware of any commercially available plans of her or of any good plans in any books; maybe someone else knows of some. For placement of hatches and ladders on a May 1941 PoW, I would suggest using the plans of the King George V in Raven & Roberts' British Battleships of World War II or in R.A. Burt's British Battleships 1919-1939; although there were some differences between the KGV and the PoW, I wouldn't think that the placement of hatches and ladders would be different. Also, the PoW was an extremely well photographed ship in May of 1941, and I would suggest consulting (1) the Raven & Roberts book, (2) Ensign No. 1 on the King George V Class Battleships, or (3) V.E. Tarrant's book King George V Class Battleships, which reproduce some of the photographs. If you really wanted to go overboard, you could write the Photograph Archive at the Imperial War Museum, which has all the photographs that have been published and then some. On the differences between the PoW in May 1941 vs. December 1941, please note that although the PoW had UP mountings on B and Y turrets, she never had a UP mounting on her quarterdeck; she always had a single 40mm Bofors there (unlike the KGV). Also, in May 1941 she had a UP director between her forward 5.25" HACS directors, but this was replaced by a radar lantern (Type 271 I think) after the Bismarck action. I think the 1/700 Tamiya PoW has the UP director there, but the 1/350 one has the radar lantern; go figure. (It has already been mentioned that the PoW had no 20mm guns in May 1941; these were installed on the way out to the Far East.) Hope this helps. Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: PT-109 For whomever asked the question, I have a copy of that FSM article that Al Ross mentioned. Send me your snail mail address and I'll mail you a copy. John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS & ANNOUNCEMENTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIP MDLR Subject: USS Texas BB35 >> Has anyone seen, purchased, or reviewed the Viking Models kit? I just aquired a great reference book from Amazon.com and noticed Tom's ModelWorks has a brass set for the ship? Squadron's latest flyer has the kit for $161.00. Also has anyone built the Arizona from Tom's and if so, what was the quality? Both kits are 1/350 scale. << Steve, I designed the detail set for the Texas. I didn't have a complete kit to work from, but I did have the hull/superstructure, main mast, fire control and all the other major parts of the kit. Keep in mind my kit was a test shot. The casting was very clean with lots of good bulkhead detail. I was told by the guys at Viking that they had switched to a better casting resin (you know, the beige stuff). This will certainly improve the casting. It comes with a number of very well cast metal parts. I worked from the same Navy plans they did and they got all of it correct. The scale is right on. The instructions are drawn using a CAD program and are in 3D. The only part of the kit I am not a fan of is the assembly of the tripod masts. While they include pre-cut plastic tubing, care must be taken here or the bridge and other mast will not set perpindicular with the deck. Keep in mind they may have corrected the problem. Now about the photo-etch. Having tons of reference material supplied to me by Viking, I was able to produce the largest 1/350 scale detail set I have ever produced. This thing is BIG. It contains complete 20mm guns, twin 40 and quad 40 details, rigging anchors, mooring booms, A/C details, SK radar, stack halyards, whistle platform, antometer, floater net bins, oak loop antenna, armored railing, armored railing for gun tubs, complete and correct era turret A/C catapult with cart, complete and correct era A/C cranes, signal flag halyards with safety nets, Main mast window frames, custom cut bow rails, 2 bar and 3 bar rails. The detail is razor fine, computer generated, and the set will fit almost any dreadnought. If you want one, I sell them direct for $36.00 + .75 postage. If you want to see the set and all the products Flagship Models sells, check out my website. The url is: http://warship.simplenet.com/Flagship.htm I may be a bit biased, but I feel it's a great kit. They decided to produce a good quality kit that was to be affordable. At $161.00 it compares favorably in quality and size to $279.00 kits. Rusty White Flagship Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "David & Alicja Lombard" Subject: Re: Plans for 17/18th Century warships Try Taubman Plans Service International 11 College Drive - #4G Jersey City, NJ 07305 $10 - USA $12 - Canada, Mexico $15 - S. America, Europe $17 - Pacific Area Also, The Dromedary 6324 Belton Drive El Paso, TX, 79912 $6 - USA $7 - Outside USA I've done business with both, and they're very friendly, knowledgeable, and helpful. David Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, California ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume