Subject: SMML28/05/98VOL193 shipmodels@wr.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: USS San Francisco 2: Need ideas on fixing up a model 3: General Quarters! Man your Battlestations 4: Re: USS Salem & USS Massachusetts (was CLEVELAND ARMOR) 5: Re: USS ENTERPRISE (CV-6) 6: Fine Molds IJN 1/700 PE kits? 7: HMS DECOY 8: Re: USS ENTERPRISE (CV-6) 9: Re: displaying ship models 10: 1:2400 Scale Ships 11: CLEVELAND CL ARMOR 12: Re: Tarawa plans 13: Re: Italian Battleship Duilio ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS & ANNOUNCEMENTS INDEX 1: Looking to trade 2: Memorial Day ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Sheridan Subject: USS San Francisco >> Thanks for informations about references about USS San Francisco. I'm looking now for Chuck Hansen's "USS San Francisco". I hope I'll find it soon... << I wonder if the author of the USS San Francisco is the same Chuck Hansen of U.S. NUCLEAR WEAPONS: THE SECRET HISTORY and Swords of Armageddon fame?!?!? If it is, you can go to his website http://www.uscoldwar.com/ and ask him directly. John Sheridan @ Microscale Decals http://www.microscale.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: jpoutre@lehman.com (Joseph Poutre) Subject: Need ideas on fixing up a model Hi all, I have the Lindberg motorized LST model, and would like to make something reasonable out of it, specifically USS Hunterdon County, LST 838. Has anyone written a detailed article on how to fix up this model and make it look at least close to the original? Have you built it and made it look good? Thank you in advance. Joe Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Les Pickstock (Les Pickstock) Subject: General Quarters! Man your Battlestations I was wondering if anyone in the group could help me out? I'am just putting the finishing touches to the Tamiya Fletcher (1/350th) and I was puzzled as to how many of the crew would be on deck at General Quarters. I assume the twin 40mm mounts would be occupied and 20mm crews would be "closed up" That is 2 men per 20mm and on the 40mm :trainer,layer, 4 ammo numbers (2 on the mount and 2 in the tub.) "talker" (in the big helmet) and 1 man at the director, total 8 per mount. What I don't know is who else and in what number would be on deck. So I would be very grateful for any guidence the group may offer on the following points. 1) Would there be Damage control parties on deck and how many would be in a team. 2) Would the Torpedo directors and main searchlight be manned during a anti-aircraft or daylight action. 3) Would the depth charge crews be at their stations during a non anti-submarine action, and how many men are needed to operate a "K" gun and the D/C racks 4) Who would be on the bridge ie: signalmen etc I realise this a lot to ask for but I would appreciate help on any of these points. Many thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: USS Salem & USS Massachusetts (was CLEVELAND ARMOR) DaveRiley1 wrote: >> On a different subject, I would like to thank Larry Ouellette for the update on preservation efforts of USS SALEM (CA-139). I have visited the ship a number of times, the most recent being this past weekend. The absence of preservation work on the hull was very obvious - as was the great work going on above the main deck. The flaking paint disappointed this old career Navy man, but having the environmental reasons discussed in SMML26/05/98VOL191 helped me understand the problem. I hope she gets dry-docked soon so the hull can look as good as the rest of the ship. I can't help but wonder who will get into dry-dock first - USS MASSACHUSETTS (BB-59) whose bottom badly needs maintenance or the USS SALEM. << Thanks for the comments about the main deck and below decks. The USS Salem was fortunate that she was not stripped during her mothball period. She is a time capsule from 1959. Many museum ships were heavily stripped by the Navy before donation, the only advantage being instant exhibit space! The is a *possibility* of some money coming in for both the USS Massachusetts and the USS Salem. Big Mamie needs around $10-12 million for dry-docking, hull repair and paint. The USS Salem needs around $2 million for dry-docking, paint, 2 brows that can handle fore/aft movement as well as up/down, and new, larger restrooms with all the appropriate tanks, plumbing and pumping systems. The screws (props) will have to stay on to keep the stern rising up. Too bad, it would be nice to show people what they look like and how big they are. If the money does come through, it would have to be spent on Mass. based companies, and only for the exact work specified in the proposed budget. I hope it happens for both ships. USS Massachusetts hasn't had any bottom work done in 40 years and really needs it. Fortunately the USS Salem's hull is some kind of Chromium-steel alloy that resists rust to some extent. She was also stored for 35 years in a fresh water environment, so there is almost no hull deterioration other than the paint and surface rust. The Fore River Shipyard is a tidal river basin, so Salem has been getting salty again. Larry Ouellette louellet@uism.bu.edu Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) U.S. Naval & Shipbuilding Museum, Quincy Massachusetts http://www.uss-salem.org/ USS Salem model kit information available; mailto: ca139johnf@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USS ENTERPRISE (CV-6) Cataldo: No apologies necessary for your English--it is fine (much better than my Italian would be). During your period of interest, ENTERPRISE was in one of the "dazzle" camouflage schemes, Measure 33/4Ab, designed specifically for her; colors were specified as pale gray (5-P), haze gray (5-H), and navy blue (5-N), though there is some speculation that dull black was substituted for the navy blue. It is well covered in United States Navy Camouflage of the WW2 Era, V.2: Fleet Carriers_ published by The Floating Drydock. The book is back in print, and probably available from Pacific Front Hobbies and others here on the SMML list (maybe even WEM). It has a number of useful photos of the "Big E", and port and starboard camouflage patterns. If you can't find it, e-mail me your address and I'll send you xeroxes. I did the Tamiya kit in this scheme some years ago and took a third place at the U.S. IPMS nationals with it. John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: David Fraser Subject: Fine Molds IJN 1/700 PE kits? Hello, Fine Molds has 3 IJN 1/700 PE sets Catapults Radar Type 96 25mm cannon Can anyone used these kits? Could a kind soul post a mini-review of them? Are they worth the 1300 yen that they charge? Thanks, David Fraser ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Donna Ogilvie Subject: HMS DECOY Hello everyone: I've just purchased the Armada kit of the HMCS Kootenay (ex-hms Decoy) and I am interested in backdating the kit to the HMS Decoy as she appeared in 1941 during the fighting around Crete. Does anyone know of a sours of Photos of the D class destroyers during that period? I am specifically looking for the following information: camouflage scheme type of guns on the bridge wings (2pdrs,20mm,or quad .5cal) had the after torpedo tubes been replaced with a 12pdr. Oh by the way the casting of the ship is outstanding. It appears that making an outstanding model from this kit should be easy. Thanks for the help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Seitz_Mark/AMARC_FM@amdiss1.dm.af.mil Subject: Re: USS ENTERPRISE (CV-6) Dear Cataldo, You may find Friedman's "U.S. Aircraft Carriers, a design history" to be helpful. It's available through Naval Institute Press (WWW.NIP.Org). But if you have a specific question, I'd be happy to look in my copy for you. I haven't a scanner, so pictures may be a little difficult to send, but let me know if I can be of any specific assistance. Best of Luck, let us know how it turns out. Mark Seitz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "David P. Judy III" Subject: Re: displaying ship models I though I might mention, another way to polish plexi. edges is to sand out any rough saw marks, then using a pencil torch ( the're pretty cheap!) lightly pass along the edge untill it turns clear! Sure eliminates a lot of sanding and polishing! Dave Judy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: RVanda1839@aol.com Subject: 1:2400 Scale Ships Recently I purchased several 1:2400 GHQ battleships from ALNAVCO. Boy are they nice, but SMALL. My life has been in plastic and wood models. Can anyone give me some quick lessons on working on these pewter models? What is the best way to clean them up and work on them? Tools? Glue? aint/primer? Any other pointers. I'm looking forward to making a display fleet which I can be proud of. I purchased one ship from Navis, can't afford a whole fleet from them though the ship is a work of art. Navis will be what I strive for. It's great to know there are other ship lovers out there, I thought I was all alone. Thanks! Rich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: PulligS@aol.com Subject: CLEVELAND CL ARMOR Try Terzibaschitsch's CRUISERS OF THE US NAVY 1922-1962 AND Dr. Friedman's US CRUISERS. There is not much belt showing on any of the photos or plans, most was below the waterline.Is it legal to scan one page out of a currently available book and e-mail to someone for non comerical use? if so and if some one can tell me the web site to get the driver for a Photomaker 3E scaner I'll scan & e-mail to you. Sam Pullig PulligS@aol.com Beaumont Texas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: PulligS@aol.com Subject: Re: Tarawa plans No real plans but get a copu of Concord Pub. Co. TARAWA AND WASP CLASS GENERAL PURPOSE AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT SHIPS by A. Meisner. Per an earlier response they were built at ingalls at Pascagula. Sam Pullig Beaumont Texas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: RCClem@aol.com Subject: Re: Italian Battleship Duilio In my reply to Nuno Rubim's request for Information on the Duilio, I used as a source Phoebus' Battleships 1856-1919. On page 23, it states "Armament: 2 x 450 mm", instead of the correct 2 turrets @ 2 x 450mm. The broadside drawing does not indicate more than one gun in each turret. I failed to see on page 19 an indirect reference that Benedetto Brin started his design with 4 x 12.5 inch and ended up with 17.7 inch guns. Sorry for the mis-statement and thanks for the correction. This is a great Page! I enjoy reading it every day. Roger Clemens Hinsdaale, Illinois- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS & ANNOUNCEMENTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Sheridan Subject: Looking to trade I have a copy of Combat Fleets of the World 1982-1983 By the Naval Institue Press. I'm looking to trade it for either a Resin ship Model (Blue Water Navy, Classic Warships, etc). I would also consider trading for another book. E-Mail me if you are interested. John Sheridan @ Microscale Decals mailto:jrsheridan@earthlink.net http://www.microscale.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Ritchie_deutag, Colin" Subject: Memorial Day >> Fellow Modelers: I am saddened by the passing of "Memorial Day", as I am every year. << A heartfelt and touching reminder, way to go .... Colin Ritchie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume