Subject: SMML19/06/98VOL215 shipmodels@wr.com.au --------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://warship.simplenet.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Yamato translated into English = UGLY MARU 2: CV-6 air group 3: Re: Hobby shop in Detroit 4: Re: Various 5: LIONFISH Update Set 6: 1/350 scale kits 7: SMML17/6/98Vol214 8: SS United States 9: YAMATOHOLICISM 10: Titaniholics 11: Modelshop for "Frankfurters" 12: Re: Hobby shops in LA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS & ANNOUNCEMENTS INDEX 1: IPMS(USA) Nationals 2: WTD - Books / Reference about Liberty ships 3: WTD - Stainless Steel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Yamato translated into English = UGLY MARU Hello Dave Krakow You are not alone. I was seriously considering insubscribing, I was beginning to think SMML was taken over by a bunch of psychopaths who had been around open glue tubes to long :-). The US Navy did the world a favour by turning both those BOATS into scrap. But you need not worry about her designers, they found work in the movie industry after the war, if you don't believe me, take a look at those old Godzilla movies, you will notice the family resemblance. Keith(running like hell for cover) Butterley Ready aye ready PS: Now the Scharnhorst/Gneisnau are what I call beautiful WARSHIPS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: James Corley Subject: CV-6 air group >> The CV-6 air group, in that period, was made up of F6F Hellcats, TBM Avengers and SB2C Helldivers, all in overall Gloss Sea Blue. There was also a three-plane detachment of F4U-2 Corsair night fighters. Ok, is all this true ? What are the numbers of the air group, VFs, VTs, VSs, etc ? Do you have info about aircrafts markings? << Not sure when she got the SB2C, as she had one of the last SBD units (LEX was the other) at the Turkey Shoot in Jun44. Also, since the orders to paint everything VF blue came down on 22MAR44, but it was not expanded to the rest of the airwing until 7OCT44. There are photos of planes taken during the Tokyo raids in FEB45 which were still tri-color, so paint them however your research indicates and mix the colors. CVG-20 was aboard Big E in OCT44, but moved to LEX in NOV. She recieved CVGN-90 in JAN45 and operated them until the end of the war. The aircraft of CVGN-90 were painted in two ways, the fighteres were either gloss sea blue or gloss black. The TBMs were still in tri-color markings with the white being replaced by black. The SB2Cs were overall Gloss Sea Blue. These planes did not use the "G-code" tail markings (An Arrow for Enterprise) due to the threat present from large areas of white at night. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: NEFFD@detroitedison.com Subject: Re: Hobby shop in Detroit >> My favorites: 1. Rider's... 2. Old Guard... 3. West Point Hobby... 4. ...in Flushing is Dean's hobby shop... << And my favorite: Joe's Hobby Shop in Farmington. It's hidden in the corner of a strip mall on Grand River near Drake Street. It's easy to get to from I-696 or I-275 by taking the Grand River exit from either. The store is 50% R.R., 30% RC Planes and Boats, 15% wood models and supplies. Nice assortment of wood - Maple, Basswood, Beech, planks, dowels, blocks, etc. Model shipways fittings in wood and metal, paints by Floquil, Polly-s, Testors. I use quite a bit of their R.R. stuff in my ship models. Don Neff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: thunder.bearr@juno.com (Robert Vancel) Subject: Re: Various >> Do you know any hobby shop in Detroit? I need the name and the address, because, the next week I will go to this city. << Riders is a good place to start (Similar to Hobby Town but with apparently nicer ppl). There is also my old stomping ground, Hobby House in Westland (Corner of Westland and Merriman) Drop by and say HI to Marty for me. There was another shop, Wayne Hobby but I think the owner was incarcerated for tax fraud. There is a Riders in Taylor now, where I used to live...the town, not the store. Robert >> Anybody out there in SMML land have any experience with this kit either directly or through hearsay? << Yep. One of the first "big kits" I cut my teeth on. Didn't finish it, either. Lost interest when the family moved and it was trashed. My question is how do you plan on "Cat-Proofing" it? It seems as if Revell molded it with a special "cat attractive" scent undetectable by humans. I base this theory on the fact that everytime one of my customers talks about it, the story always ends with "...but the cat knocked it off the >insert display area here<" Robert nWMo >>> OK the Yamato was the biggest, maybe the most attractive capital ship ever built, mounting the largest guns, and under way was a magnificent site, powerful ,stately , shrugging off attacks like fly's <<< >> I guess there must be a genetic disposition to Yamatoholicism. I think she was damned ugly, no personality, no character. Am I alone here???? << Oh, come now Dave. Surely you aren't telling us that "size doesn't matter" are you? I've seen a photo of the ship "two miles out" and she still was visible. Of course, in the StarBlazers show, she was just as majestic sitting on the ocean floor (well, desert by then) and covered in crud as she was the day she sank. Robert nWMo >> After Dr. Ballards anouncement that he found the Yorktown, I had to add the Revell kit to the ever growing list of modelling subjects. What I would like to do, is complete her as she appeared in the late 30's. What I need are biplane aircraft...Does anyone know of a source of suitable aircraft in this scale, about1/480? I have the kit also. Have not found any alternative aircraft in this scale. The aircraft furnished -- supposed to be SBDs, I guess -- look more like Northrop BT-1s. They would be OK for a late 30s Yorktown. BTW, Gold Medal Models has a new photoetched detail set for this kit. Supposed to include all sorts of goodies for this class. << On the subject of Ballard's discovery, one of my customers tells me they found aircraft still on the deck. Speculation? Robert nWMo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: James Corley Subject: LIONFISH Update Set Nautilus Models is proud to annouce the first in a line (hopefully, a long line) of resin ship upgrades for Revell and Monogram ship Kits. Nautilus Kit #S-01 will be a resin upgrade for the Revell Lionfish WW2 Fleet Sub. This kit has beed released under many names over the past 40 years, but the kit has never improved. The upgrade includes a fairwater to represent USS BLUEFISH in the summer of 1943. The set includes the cut-down fairwater, periscopes, tbt and deck guns. The set includes one 4"/50 mount, one 40mm single mount, 20 20mm guns with a tripod and a conical base each. This configuration should allow for the completion of any one of the mid-war boats. This set will retail for $19.95, and will be available for orders and viewing at IPMS(USA)98 in Santa Clara, CA. Look for us at the Iron Shipwright tables. Hope to see you there. James ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Seitz_Mark/AMARC_FM@amdiss1.dm.af.mil Subject: 1/350 scale kits Since we're on the subject, here are a few of my favorite kit ideas in 1/350: HMS Tiger (the battlecruiser), in fact, any British WWI battlecruiser. RMS Queen Mary, I'd even like to see a re-issue of that Lusitania kit by someone other than "$100 Gunze Sanyo", what's up with those guys anyway? Any WWII aircraft carrier, but I would prefer Lexington CV-2, or Yorktown CV-5. USS Houston (CA-35) Failing these particulars, almost any battleship other than Yamato, and any aircraft carrier, and any liner. Oh well...just daydreaming. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Seitz_Mark/AMARC_FM@amdiss1.dm.af.mil Subject: SMML17/6/98Vol214 Les and all, Thanks for your reply. I have the GMM set, it's great! It's so good, that I don't want to just park a bunch of those alleged SBD's around. My current train of thought is to model her without aircraft on the flight deck, just a few scratchbuilts in the hanger. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Les, I would definetly recommend the GMM kit. It's got lots of stuff for all three ships of the class, but you'll have to get your own Mk37's for the Hornet. I got some replacement 5/38 from HR products. They're a little rough, but better than the turreted things in the kit. Good Luck, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Lee Francis Wilhelmsen Subject: SS United States I was wondering how many models there are avialable of the SS United States. I've seen one in my local model shop in 1/400 (can't remember the manufacturer). Are there others (Preferably 1/350)? Lee Francis Wilhelmsen Stavanger, Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "graham walker" Subject: YAMATOHOLICISM Colin Ritchie wrote: >>> OK the Yamato was the biggest, maybe the most attractive capital ship ever built, mounting the largest guns, and under way was a magnificent site, powerful ,stately , shrugging off attacks like fly's <<< >> I guess there must be a genetic disposition to Yamatoholicism. I think she was damned ugly, no personality, no character. Am I alone here???? << I agree with you Dave give me HMS Tiger any day, now there was a beautiful ship if there was one. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Titaniholics Some of us have multi-addictions. Even before the latest Titanic craze I was interested in the RMS Titanic, the RMS/HMTS Olympic and the HMHS Britannic. At this time I am working on transposing a set of comparative plans for the Titanic, Olympic, and Britannic in 1/350 scale. In all the drawings I have received, none of the actual dimensions are given, and so I have had to work with those I know (like beam of 92'6" and length of 882'9" for the Titanic and Olympic). Would anyone specifically have the lengths of the individual decks? The elliptical dimensions of the funnels? Or any other specific dimensions that might help? Dimensions of the davits on the Britannic would also be most helpful. Along with the dimensions, a number of us are trying to determine the dazzle pattern for the starboard side of the Olympic during her second dazzle scheme. There do not seem to be any photographs in existence. I was sent a number of photographs from the Imperial War Museum that haven't been published before, but all were of the port side. Is this a conspiracy? Is there something to hide? Is it a coincidence that the Titanic movie set depicted only the port side? Is something really out there? Perhaps there was a big advertisement on the starboard side (war bonds?) or a "Kilroy was here" sign (oops... wrong war). On a different subject: I disagree with Dave Krakow about the Yamato. She may be a monster, but she's a beautiful monster. And we Yamatoholics rarely charge for an opinion - in fact, once we get going, you may be lucky to get away before the dawn has passed. And to Colin Ritchie: at least you can snuggle up to a 1/200 scale on a dark rainy night. You try that with a 1/1200 and all you get is crumbs. Perhaps the SMML should stand for the "Shipaholics Madness Mailing List." Regards, Duane Fowler ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Uwe Besken Subject: Modelshop for "Frankfurters" Hi SMMLers in Frankfurt, Germany and visitors, I've seen the replies for Michael Eisenstadt who was looking for modelshop addresses in Germany and must say that there are not only REVELL-shops. Especially in Frankfurt we have at least one shop with more then ten models. There is the MODELL TREFF in the Waldschmidtstr. 115 (close to the back entrance of the zoo, directly at the Underground station Habsburgeralle (U7)) which have a variety of plastic and some resin kits. The prices are lower than in the "toy"-stores and Theo Weiß the owner is open to specific questions. His shop is well known by modellers not only from frankfurt and vincinity. OK he has only some ship stuff (compared to the a/c, tanks and cars), especially older Skywave, Fujimi, Hasegawa, Tamiya, Aoshima kits but sometimes he has Samek, Dragon and Arii. He told me that the new Skywave kits will soon arive from a source directly in Japan, so that there is the chance to get these kits cheaper than three times the japanese price. There is another shop somewhere in Bockenheim, I think, (I have never been there) which is a good address for modellers (except ship lovers). Some friends of the "Plastic Modellbau Verein" told me that and even the national guests of the last modelshow of the PMV in May visited it. If anybody is interrested I will ask for the exact location. For the navalist there is a shop close to Wuerzburg, which mainly sell the modells via mail order. On there list are Heller, Dolphin Model, Wave Line, WEM, Artitec, Revell, Dragon, Nichimo, ...., Regia Marina, Delphis. If you want to go there call first if the kit is in stock. The Address is: Modelle & Buecher Frank Lausmann Wuerzburger Str. 113 97204 Hoechberg Tel.: 0931 / 40 78 65 Fax: 0931 / 40 50 88 I know it is not easy to find a good modelshop in Germany, because these are seldom located on mainstreet where you accidently walk by, but I made the same experience on visits in the US. I hope that these are some news for you and give it a try. Uwe Besken Muenster (Hessen), Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "David & Alicja Lombard" Subject: Re: Hobby shops in LA Hmm. Hobby shops in LA. The first rule of LA traffic is that it always takes at least one hour to get from any point to any other point -- despite this, we'll always assure you the trip will take "only minutes". Also, remind yourself that you *shall* sit in traffic. Stay off the freeways after noon on Friday's (and Sunday's) and you'll be happier. Don't know of anything (yet) in "the valley." There's certainly nothing to speak of in the Burbank/Glendale/Pasadena area for ships. In the vast expanses of LA county, there's Pegasus Hobbies (on Greenleaf in Whittier) for RC, wooden sail, and plastic. There's also the LA Maritime Museum, in San Pedro. They offer their own line of kits, but I haven't seen them in the gift shop, only in a catalog and magazine ads. From Woodland Hills: 101 east; 405 south; 110 south (almost to the end); follow the signs for "Port's o' Call" or the passenger ship terminal (this trip is 45 minutes to 1 1/2 hours, depending on traffic). The Jeremiah O'Brien is over the Vincent Thomas bridge. In Orange County, there's Brookhurst Hobbies (on Brookhurst in Garden Grove) for plastic and resin ships, PE, PSM and other mags, USNI books, many brands of paint, and tools; and Hobby City (Beach in Anaheim) for wooden sail and plastic. For this list's interests, Brookhurst Hobbies is the best bet. From Woodland Hills: 101 east; 405 south; 22 east; north on Brookhurst (this trip is 1 to 2 hours, depending on traffic). You *could* claim "Oh! Look what we're driving past! Imagine that!" on the way to Disney Land or Knott's Berry Farm ;-) David Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, California ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS & ANNOUNCEMENTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Pacific Front Hobbies subject: IPMS(USA) Nationals I will be attending the IPMS(USA) National Convention at Santa Clara, CA July 2-4, at the Westin Hotel, with 2 vendor tables. As I will be right next to Steve Wiper of Classic Warships, and Caroline Carter of White Ensign Models, this will be a dangerous place for your pocketbook. But bring lots of money anyway! I will not carry items (hopefully) being sold by other vendors, but will try to concentrate on imported plastic & resin ship kits from Europe and Japan, 1/1250 models and imported books on naval subjects. Hopefully a few surprises. Hope to see you there. Thanks, Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies http://www.pacificfront.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Uwe Besken Subject: Books / Reference about Liberty ships Hi SMMLers, I'm searching books and reference material about the Liberty/Victory freighters and oilers. So I can build, finally and hopefully my modells from DOC-Model and HP-Models. Thanks in advance Uwe Besken Muenster (Hessen), Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Ralph E. Batykefer, Jr." Subject: Stainless Steel I am attempting to make my own photoetch parts and wondered where I may find .005" (or thinner) stainless steel sheet metal. Does anyone have a connection and advice? Ralph ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume