Subject: SMML25/06/98VOL221 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:14:58 +1000 (EST) shipmodels@wr.com.au --------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://warship.simplenet.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: 2x per class 2: Re: ships that should have been preserved 3: 1/250 Doyusha Shinano 4: Aurora "E" and preservation and 7 funnels 5: Re: Ship Preservation, 1/200 Parts 6: Re: Bluejacket kits 7: Yamato etc, is this a record? 8: SS United States 9: Re: Testors Acrylics: Was Humbrol Paints 10: BlueJacket's 1/192 DD KIDD 11: SS United States, et al 12: Going on with Dédalo 13: Corsair Armada 1/700 FFG Garcia Cl. 14: Dedalo Colors 15: Re: SMML20/6/98Vol216 16: HMS Warspite 1/600 PE Set 17: Six funneled French armoured cruiser 18: Re: Friscomania, 1/200 brass, Bluejacket Kits 19: Preserved WW2 British Destroyer - almost! 20: 6-funneled cruisers 21: Paint Schemes 22: Re: 1/200 Nichimo Destroyers 23: 1/350 Figures (people) 24: SMML nickname ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Warship Update 2: Re: 1/200 details 3: Re: Nationals Lunch/Dinner 4: Do you know the way FROM San Jose 5: Pacific Front Hobbies ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: James Corley Subject: Re: 2x per class >> I think the Pennsylvania should have been saved, and not involved in Nuclear Testings and later scuttled. Especially after what happened to her sister, which leads me to my next question, why were there only 2 ships per class in these days,eg, Pennsylvania & Arizona, Nevada & Oklahoma, New York & Texas, Wyoming & Arkansas, Florida & Utah etc....? << The technology was changing so fast, that often there were minor detail changes between classes, major gunnery changes, and sweeping redesigns. Also many of these ships (on all sides) were designed to counter the newest designs of the other guy. Once we started building the 14" ships, the designs steadied and the changes were limited to machinery and battery details. Also the New Mexico class had approached the design limits of the Panama Canal. American BBs kept the same general layout until the new ships of the 1930s were designed, and from NorCar to Iowa, the design was mostly refinement of details and improvements in machinery and hull lines to get more speed. The culmination is the IOWA, which by classic definition is a battlecruiser.....inferior guns compared to the expected enemy threat (Yamato 18"), armor unable to protect against its own guns at closer-inranges (16"/50 @ 21KY to 32KY), and supeior speed and maneuverability than the expected enemy. Oh, they were also extremely expensive to build ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: robin Subject: Re:ships that should have been preserved My Two Cents worth: They should have saved RMS Aquitania - The Last of the big Four Stackers HMS Vanguard - The Last of the british Battleships one of the KGVs RMS Olympic - One of the Titanic's Sisterships Nagato - Last of the Japanese battleships afloat (not counting Mikasa) Prinz Eugen - one of the few surface ships afloat after the war of the Kreigsmarine Cheers & 73's for now, ordrazz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: 1/250 Doyusha Shinano I have the kit in the box, you'll need to remove the molded on railings, and get some 1/285 wargaming aircraft to go aboard. The hull looks good, you have a large 3 piece flight deck, which will require putty and sandpaper to remove the molded-in deck lines...As for the island and the remainder of the ship, it looks surprisingly good. I'm doing a custom photo etch fret for mine, drop me a note if you're intrested... Jeff Herne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Philip Downing Subject: Aurora "E" and preservation and 7 funnels >>Subject: Re: Aurora Enterprise C'mon guys! Surely *someone* has some comments about this kit. Is the deafening silence because I'm not asking about the Yamato, or do y'all just not like me??? ;-p << I built this kit when I was a kid, really liked it cause it was BIG. It was not important that it be accurate, so I have no idea. For a while I though the Japanese kits were just a rebox, but that seems not to be the case. Ships I think should have been preserved... USS Enterprise (CV6) SMS Goeben/Yazuv SS United States HMS Warspite or Iron Duke Remember, You can't save everything. One Iowa class is probably enough, it would be better to diversify. Are any of the Midway class left. I hope somebody saves the "new" Enterprise when the time comes. >> She is rather a splendid beast... however, we have rumour that a French Pre-Dreadnought armoured cruiser somewhere way back had SIX funnels... now that WOULD be cool... so... is there anyone out there who can i.d. this ship for us, and, even better, point us in the direction of a set of plans, or good drawings? << The original plan of the Lexington class battlecruisers had seven funnels. This was reduced in later plans to five, then two, and finally one when they became carriers. IHP said they are planning a model of this ship, (as BC) but I don't know what version. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Ship Preservation, 1/200 Parts Hi Everyone, On the matter of ship preservation, I also wish the Warspite could've been preserved, but remember that by the end of WWII she was in poor shape; I don't think she'd ever been fully repaired after being hit by a radio-controlled bomb off Salerno and setting off a mine shortly after D-Day. In light of that, preservation would have been a real challenge. On the other hand, the Renown and, even more plausibly, the Sheffield could have been preserved, and would have been worthy subjects of preservation. I don't know the very latest on the status of the USS Cabot, but the last I heard was that efforts at preservation had failed and she was to be scrapped. I saw her once in New Orleans (from the dockside), and she didn't look very different from her WWII configuration; it's a shame she couldn't be saved. What's the present status of HMS Caroline? How different does she look from her WWI appearance? She was a beautiful ship. Finally, Fuji Art at one time made a large quantity of 1/200 brass parts for Japanese ships (Bill Gruner carried them at one time), but I don't know if they are available these days. Regards, Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: LubenLarry@aol.com Subject: Re: Bluejacket kits I have the Bluejacket Kidd. At this point I've finish sanded and primed the hull. Construction doesn't look like it will be particularly difficult. Quality is pretty good. Kit can definately use some extra detailing. Hope this helps. Larry B ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: DaveRiley1@aol.com Subject: Yamato etc, is this a record? Re Doug martin's comment about the speedy delivery of his Yamato - I wish some of our more local vendors in the USA would take a lesson from this. My impatience tells me that a month (could be more) is to long to wait for an order delivery. New Subject: While I don't build too many RN ships, I'm surprised no one has suggested a 1/350 model of HMS Vanguard. I always thought she was a good looking ship. I support all the nominations for a 1/350 USS Alaska - another beautiful (and very different) ship. Dave Riley Portsmouth, RI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "David Watts" Subject: Re: ships that should have been preserved Hello All... I would like to put in my two-cents worth for saving the SS United States. I agree with Felix that she is a beautiful ship and should not be allowed to rot away. The navy just spent millions on the Constitution in Boston. I think we could spend a small bit of our trillion dollar budget on this worthy cause. Dave Watts ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Testors Acrylics: Was Humbrol Paints >> Wow! Humbrol makes a line of acrylics? Does anyone know of a North American distributor? I was informed at a local hobby shop not long ago that apparently the Testor's Model Master acrylics were not selling well and were being discontinued. << Testors has discontinued their Model Master Acrylic line, but they have replaced it with a new line of acrylic paints called Acryl. I have used the new Acryl line a couple of times so far and it is a big improvement over their old line. Acryl's characteristics appear very similar to the Polly Scale line, to me. However, only about half of the full line has been released so far, so some colors are not yet available. If your local hobby shop does not have information on the new Testors line, info should be available at Testors web site: http://www.testors.com Mike Settle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: BlueJacket's 1/192 DD KIDD >> Does anyone have an opinion on the Bluejacket USS Kidd or USS Gambier Bay? I am curious as to the quality, ease of building, etc. These 1/192 kits might look good next to the 1/200 Nichimo destroyers. << I have been working on BlueJacket's 1/192 scale FLETCHER class destroyer USS KIDD for three years and 1563 hours now. My opinion is that it is an excellent kit for the advanced builder. It is NOT the "parts-just-fall-together" type of model as many resin-model builders have come to expect. If you are comfortable with solid wooden hull models, if you enjoy scratch-building, if you have access to power tools like the Dremel Moto-Tool and perhaps a hobby lathe, then this fine kit is going to provide you with an interesting challenge. Built out of the box, the kit looks interesting but a little bland: much of the really fine detail is expected to be added by the modeler. For example, the torpedo mount is provided as 5 cast britannia pewter tubes which appear a little rough to my eye, the cradle, an electrical motor drive, and a cylindrical blast shelter. I ended up scratch-building this assembly out of brass tubing, brass wire, and Evergreen strip and sheet styrene. I spent over 150 hours on it and ended up with over 500 parts. While I was disappointed with the quality of some of the britannia pewter parts in the kit, I enjoyed this exercise greatly and now feel I know the torpedo mount to the last detail. And so it goes. I expect to complete this model within the year and the entire process will appear in Seaways' Ships in Scale magazine some time thereafter, possibly in up to six installments over six issues. All aspects of this fine kit will be covered in the article, but again, I can only recommend the kit to advanced builders if you are looking for resin-quality detail. I also have the USS GAMBIER BAY in the same scale by BlueJacket, and while I have not built it as of yet, the quality of the plans and instructions, the many and manifold frets of photo-etched brass parts, the finely-cast resin aircraft are all a joy to behold, and the aircraft provide you with optional folded wings. You receive three each Wildcats and Avengers. Not just generic Wildcats, but FM-1s. Not just generic Avengers, but TBM-1s. The kit designer, Al Ross of Bangor, Maine, is, in my humble opinion, one of the most talented and gifted kit designers and ship modelers extant today. His work is a joy to behold. Even if you never build this kit, the price is worth it just to pull it from the closet, open it up, spread it all over the floor, and dream........ Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: SS United States, et al Howdy all, I live in South Jersey, just across from where the United States is tied up. As Felix Bustelo so aptly said, it is a sad sight. I was on the United States and the America (as well as Constitution, Independence, QM, QE, Liberte, as well as Italian Line and Furness Line ships. Luckily I was a Deck Cadet able to visit onboard these ships at the old piers on the Hudson River. I wish I had a 35 mm camera back then. Beautiful is a very pale attempt to sum up in a word. Anyway, the US is a tragic sight now, with her formerly red funnels now a faded orangey-red. Reminds one of a '55 red pickup truck sitting in a farm field in the corn belt. My wife asked if I wanted to go see her (ship, not wife) and she didn't understand my lack of enthusiasm. But maybe you all will. Seeing a champion like the US reminds me of the film Requiem for a Heavyweight. Its so sad. I actually turn my head away when crossing the bridge just so I don't have to see her in that shape. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Cataldo Torelli Subject: Going on with Dédalo Hi, The last message from Roberto about the carrier Dédalo puts me in the way. I know Skywave makes her in 1/700 (a relabeled Independence class carrier I think). Is it a good and accurate kit for the Dédalo version ? What is about the real Dédalo after her decommisioning ? Best regards, Cataldo Torelli Madrid, Spain P.D. Sorry for the posible spelling mistakes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Cataldo Torelli Subject: Corsair Armada 1/700 FFG Garcia Cl. I'm seeing an advert from Pacific Front Hobbies in the July issue of FineScale Modeler. One of the new models they advert is 1/700 FFG Garcia Cl. I would like to know more about the kit and the manufacturer. It sounds like a Spanish Navy vessel, isn't it ? Any info is welcome about this kit and others Spanish Navy kits. Best regards, Cataldo Torelli Madrid, Spain. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Manuel P. Gonzalez Lopez" Subject: Dedalo Colors Hello The Dedalo (ex USS Cabot) had wood deck as all WWII American Aircrafts Carriers. Only a few part of her deck was reinforced with steel for Harrier VSTOL operations. (The Dedalo was the first operational VSTOL Carrier) The colors were light grey hull and dark grey deck,I suppose similar to the modern american (and spanish) ships. Manuel P. Gonzalez Lopez Madrid (Spain) http://web.forodigital.es/uphm/mgl/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4273/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: drwells@hogpa.ho.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: Aurora Enterprise Al wrote: >> I just recently picked up this kit in a trade. Does anyone have opinions as to its accuracy, etc.? How about a source of 1/400 a/c? Should I just try making resin copies of what comes in the kit? Should I pitch the whole thing? << You should keep it or sell it. Don't pitch it. The collectors might pay a nice fee for an old Aurora. As for accuracy, it's hard to say. I've seen one in person, long ago, and I don't remember it that well. I do remember that the aircraft weren't that great, (I guess that's why you're asking about a source of 1/400 a/c!!) and detail was a bit short in places. I also remember it had a three-piece flight deck. David R. Wells ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: HMS Warspite 1/600 PE Set WEM will soon be releasing a very snazzy 1/700 scale HMS Warspite. Caroline has told me that WEM will consider upscaling the PE set for this kit to 1/600 for the owners of Airfix Warspite kits, like myself, ONLY IF enough folks express an interest. This PE set would be way cool and I am sure that many of you out there have the Airfix kit already or would buy one if there was a PE set like this. So guys and gals, if you ask for it WEM will probably make it. Just e-mail Caroline at xdt22@dial.pipex.com. Felix Bustelo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Alan Zelanski" Subject: Six funneled French armoured cruiser Hello again. I think the ship you are looking for is the armoured cruiser Jeanne D'Arc completed in 1902. This cruiser did indeed have six funnels. You can find a drawing of the ship on page 304 of Conway's All the World Fighting Ships 1860-1905. Hope this helps you out. I would love to see you people put that ship on the market in 1/700 scale. Till next time, Alan Zelanski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: Re: Friscomania, 1/200 brass, Bluejacket Kits Friscomania: You might try to get Classic Warships' new publication on the Minneapolis which was a sister ship of the San Francisco. I'm not sure if it has the views you are looking for, but it might help. The problem with ships, especially large ones, is that they are very complex and have so many facets and details that it can be very difficult to find everything you need to completely model one. Several years ago I built a 1/128 HMS Hood using the Fleetsale hull. I had two sets of plans (one of which was Ough's), two monographs and Robert's Anatomy of the Ship, plus other various books and photos, and there were still many areas that I had to either guess at or had no idea at all what was going on. The front and rear bulkheads of deck houses are often hard to find drawings or photos off. Some of the new Polish mongraphs are nice in that they give you views of these often overlooked areas. 1/200 Brass Masterpieces in Miniature offers photoetched two and three bar railings, vertical ladders and a few other items in 1/192-1/200. The stanchions on the railings are somewhat far apart and the last ladders I got were heavier than previous issues. There used to be a company called Plake Enterprises that sold floater net baskets, portholes with integral rigols and ammunition racks for the inside walls of 40mm gun tubs, but I haven't seen anything about them for several years. Classic Warships also sells a set for their resin USS Sims kit, which is a beautiful relief etching but VERY delicate, and a WWII destroyer radar set. Bluejacket Kits: I have built one USS Kidd and am in process of converting another one into a Sumner. I also have the Gambier Bay kit, but have not stared it. The Kidd has a solid wood hull that comes roughly shaped and needs to be finish shaped, sanded, sealed and painted. Rudder, shafts and props are cast britannia metal, bilge keels are fabricated from wood stock. Superstructures are a combination of shaped wood blocks and metal castings. Fittings are cast britannia metal and are, for the most part pretty good, some are very crisp and some will need some clean up. Main armament consists of a metal gun house, understructure, base ring and barrel. The 40mm guns are, in my opinion, better than H&R's offerings in this scale. 20mm (twins for the late war version of the ship) are one piece with integral shields, but not bad. The brass set is extensive and includes railings, radars, bulwarks, splinter shields, ladders, WT doors, depth charge racks, etc. The railings are a little heavy, probably for ease of handling and durability, but are not disturbingly out of scale. It makes into a nice model. The Gambier Bay is similar, but bigger, and has six resin aircraft - 3 Wildcats and 3 Avengers-with brass props, landing gears doors and other details. Unfortunately, the canaopies are cast solid and not as clear parts. I've been thinking of building mine as the Guadalcanal and displaying it with the Nichimo 1/200 Type IX U-boat, modified to represent U-505. Both kits come with plans and a comprehensive instruction booklet. They require more time and effort to build than either a plastic or typical resin kit. Preparing the wood parts for painting in order to get a smooth grainless finish is one time consuming aspect of these kits, as well as component fabrication and assembly. Bluejacket also produces a liberty ship and tanker in this scale, which are older kits, but have been revamped within the last few years. They also used to produce the cruiser USS Chicago, which would be a welcome re-release. Another good kit in this scale (and price range) is the above mentioned Classic Warships Sims class destroyer, I've seen reports that they may be working on the San Francisco. Steve Sobieralski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Mark Kwasnycia Subject: Preserved WW2 British Destroyer - almost! Hi Dave, I took your advice, and signed on to SMML, and I really must thank you for the suggestion - the folks here have some of the best conversations/threads going... Regarding your comment Re: HMS Cavalier; She's not the last British built WW2 Destroyer in the world. Happily (not to mention surprisingly), HMCS HAIDA is preserved in Toronto harbour. HAIDA is the only surviving Tribal, and was launched at Vickers-Armstrongs on the Tyne in 1942 and you probably already know of her wonderful war record. You can "virtually" visit her on the web at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/hrc/haida/home.htm So at least one British built destroyer is (hopefully) assured of a future. One of her deck guns still signals the noon-hour to everybody within earshot - I've always took it to mean that she's "alive and well"... As for the topic regarding the sadness of not preserving Warspite at the end of the war, I have to agree with everybody that it's an absolute shame that such a wonderful ship as her was not kept for posterity. But, knowing in my heart that all great ships have a soul, I must admit that knowing her history, I've always felt that she chose her own end on those rocks in Prussia Cove... She's always been presented as a precocious mistress, with a wicked sense of humour, and I'm certain she would have chosen to succumb to her element rather than a cutters torch any day. I just simply can't imagine her tied up in the Thames with the Belfast et al; it's simply not the ending she would have liked. As well, with her demise, the way is clear for new Warspites' to carry on the tradition. I hope beyond hope that her list of battle honours has reached it's end, but if ever there's a need, I'd equally hope that a younger "Old Lady" would be there... Mark Kwasnycia Ottawa ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Mark Kwasnycia Subject: 6-funneled cruisers > Hi Caroline, Since I responded to your Cavalier post, and somehow inserted Dave's name instead of yours, I figured I'd better hurry to make amends by naming the French Cruisers you're wondering about, otherwise I'll never see another WEMblie box in my life! Six-funneled French warships weren't all that rare in the early part of the century. Like you suggested, they were all cruisers, namely: Jeanne D'Arc Launched 1899 at Toulon Ernest Renan Launched 1904 at Penhoet Egdar Quinet Launched 1905 at Brest Waldeck-Rousseau Launched 1906 at Lorient (Sister of Edgar...) I pulled this out of Conway's 1860-1905 All the World's Fighting Ships. They're lways fairly well depicted in the old versions of Jane's - but you know how "off" the drawings can be in those. As for drawings.... do the French have a Musee de la Marine or suchlike? Or perhaps the shipyard in Lorient... Best of luck with the "Packet of Woodbines" (Askold) Mark Kwasnycia Ottawa ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Mapweasel@aol.com Subject: Paint Schemes Hi all. The other day I came across an intresting book called "The Painters Guide To WW2 Naval Camouflage" by Clash of Arms Games. This book has about one hundred different paint schemes of all the major navies in the war. Its printed in black and white, but the colors are clearly described. Also, the ships were drawn on a computer, so they are a bit generic looking. However, you can still tell whether it is a destroyer, battleship, etc. The stock number is 9605 and retails for $18.98. Its a good pocket reference, and really worth checking out. On another note, I saw Blue Water Navie's 1/350 USS Oakland on the shelf and was wonder how good a kit it was. I've never put one of theirs together and would love to give it a try. Any info would be welcome. Thanks. Brian Mowery ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Rick Heinbaugh" Subject: Re: 1/200 Nichimo Destroyers khglam@ucdavis.edu wrote: >> I agree that these kits are excellent although the IJN Akizuki/JMSDF Asagumo/Minegumo seem to be much better than the JMSDF Kikuzuki. << I believe the JMSDF kits were made in around 1970-72 and the WW II DDs were made around 1980. I got my JMSDF Amatsukaze in late 1970. >> Does anyone other than GMM make photoetch parts in 1/200 scale? Also, does anyone have references (photos/drawings) for the JMSDF ships? << MARU Magazine did Special issues on various classes of JMSDF ships (and a few groups of classes, eg, minesweepers, landing craft) There were issues on the Kikuzuki class, as well as the -gumo (Minegumo, Yamagumo, etc) classes. These are out of print now, but I have seen some of them recently at San Antonio Hobbies, at Mountain View in the Bay Area. (All IPMS(USA) Nationals attendees should visit San Antonio Hobbies, ~20-30 minutes from Santa Clara) I also got some in the mail from M-A-L Hobbies in Texas, but they may be out of them now. Brookhurst in the LA area may have a few left also. At any of these stores, the MARU Specials would be in the old, marked-down stock area. Let me know if you need a list of what ones I know of. Rick ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "T. J. KOENIGSFELD" Subject: 1/350 Figures (people) Hello, I was wondering if somebody out there had a couple of figures in 1/350 scale they could part with. I need a couple to display next to a model that I built to give an approximate size of the ship. Thanks T. J. P.S. 1/350 wish list: Any cruise ship such as Lusitania, Queen Mary, Carpathia, Ect. (with a relatively reasonable price that doesnt require me to rob the nearest bank!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Rick Heinbaugh" Subject: SMML nickname The "Scuttlebutt" is almost painfully obvious. I actually prefer "Captain's Mast". And there should be a "Grating" sublist for flogging of Yamatolohics. Rick ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Rob Mackie" Subject: Warship Update This week's Warship (http://warship.simpelenet.com) includes the following new items What's in the Box? Nichimo 1:200 IJN Battleship Yamato What's in the Box? Tom's Modelworks 1:350 Battleship USS West Virginia 5 new models in Photo Gallery including Dave Judy's 1:350 BWN Enterprise, Greg Lee's 1:350 Perry Class Frigate USS Ford, and Les Pickstock's 1:350 WEM HMS Nottingham First Look at the Iron Shipwright's HMS Rodney First Look at the Iron Shipwright Etched Brass Detailing Set for Minicraft RMS Titanic First Look at the Nautilus Models upgrade set for the Revell Lionfish Submarine kit Rob Mackie Warship http://warship.simplenet.com More Fun than a Day at the Beach And it's Free! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/200 details << Does anyone other than GMM make photoetch parts in 1/200 scale? Also, does anyone have references (photos/drawings) for the JMSDF ships? >> We produce a 1/200 scale generic rails and ladders set. The set includes yardarm footrails, 2 bar and 3 bar rails as well as inclined ladders. It retails for $32.00 plus .75 for postage. You can see my complete line of photo-etched details at: http://navismagazine.com/flagship/flagship-models.htm Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Nationals Lunch/Dinner Duane: Randy Short and I will be staying together at the conference hotel. Give us a call and let's compare schedules. We'll bring Alan Raven. John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Do you know the way FROM San Jose Hi all Significant Other has consented and I can stop by the IPMS(US) Nats on friday morning, but (you knew that was coming didn't you?) on two conditions. 1. Wallet stays firmly in pants (I 'm working on this one) 2. We have to be in Thousand Oaks before dark.(This is important) So can somebody please tell me how long does it take to get from San Jose to Thousand Oaks on HWY 101? Also can somebody please confirm if I have this right---- the nats are at the Westin Hotel in Santa Clara which is off the the Great American Parkway exit? Many thanks and I hope to see you there. 8-) Keith Butterley Really really Ready aye ready ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Pacific Front Hobbies Subject: Re: SMML24/6/98Vol220 Hi Caroline, I saw your post about the Askold....that's an interesting subject. I think a few old Russian ships would be a good idea, along with old Japanese vessels, Russo-Japanese War era. I'm running low on a few items, and am thinking I could pick them up at the Nationals when I see you there. Hopefully you haven't left yet. I need: 1/700 Kondors x 6 1/700 Buccanneers x 10 1/700 Crusaders x 6 1/700 Panthers x 10 Any other new aircraft? "O' class 1/700 Brass x 6 Maybe a few other odds & ends. See you there. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume