Subject: SMML27/06/98VOL223 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:45:15 +1000 (EST) shipmodels@wr.com.au --------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://warship.simplenet.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: RE: Revell Yacht America 2: Horror stories 3: Horror stories 4: More preservation stuff 5: USS San Fransisco 6: Re: Preservation 7: A MESSAGE ON GARCIA 8: No Horror story 9: Videotape of IPMS Seminars on Camouflage 10: 1/350 figures (people) 11: Lead ID Ship Models 12: Type 21 HMS Ambuscade help needed 13: Re: Dedalo/Garcia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Here's The Lineup 2: Painter's Guide of WWII Naval Ships 3: Re: IPMS Nats 4: SMML Lunch on Friday 1:30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: David.Hathaway@Smallworld.co.uk Subject: RE: Revell Yacht America Bill I acquired one of thee from a fello modeller in the UK lat year for UKP£15.00. It didn't have the bo (damn keyboard ha jut lot the letter - plural- to the right of q,a and z!). It' a big model and I immediately thought of approache. 1. Lot of labour to detail - wooden deck, all the fitting and other bit correct - to make an A1 diplay model. I couldn't find enough information to do this to my satifaction. Build it from the bo as a sailing model and give it to my children - 10 and 8 year old boy - and this is what I am doing. I am still trying to work out a vane teering gear for it, any pointer gratefully received. Good luck whatever you do with your. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Les Dorr Jr." Subject: Horror stories Mine doesn't concern a ship per se, but it *was* a naval aircraft. I was working on the 1:72 Hasegawa A-4 in Blue Angels markings. Had finally gotten the gap where the front of the wing meets the bottom of the fuselage smoothed out. Beautiful glossy blue finish on the aircraft. When I picked it up to put on the gear, it (like Illustrious) decided it had waited patiently on the workbench for too long -- and executed a full power dive to the floor. Busted the wing assembly right off the airplane. But wait, there's more. After I reassembled things, smoothed the wing/fuselage gap, stripped and repainted, my son was playing downstairs and doing something he shouldn't. I told him to stop. He got pissed, and threw the rubber ball he was holding at me. His aim couldn't have been more perfect; the Skyhawk flew right out of my hands, crashed to the floor -- and busted off the wing... I finally got it finished the third time...but Barry was barred from the basement until I did! (:-} ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Ritchie_deutag, Colin" Subject: Horror stories My horror story #1 is by now quite well known, 3/4 finished Hood stomped by a load of evil box's. with the Tamiya Bismarck, received that day lurking in a corner smirking to itself. Want to read more, see my Hood build article on the Warship web page. What I found useful is, once you've recovered from the Post Traumatic Stress an incident such as this causes, the chance to reassess what you've messed up first time around, and go back and do it again, but properly this time. (Obviously this doesn't apply to the dreadful Illustrious story, but stay with me on this) My other horror story goes back 2 years to my dalliance with the 1/32nd Tamiya F-4's. I built one, painted it, decaled, and generally felt pretty happy with my self, USAF SEA 3 colour Camo, sprayed freehand, all I had to do was matt varnish it. Out came a new bottle of Xtraflat varnish, on went a coat, and the paint turned opaque white, "Oh bother". 24 hours, and lot of rubbing down later, another coat, another snow camo scheme appeared. This continued for 3 days, by the end I had so much varnish on the beast, the panel lines had disappeared. (Note this was a bad batch of varnish - as admitted by Neil Hannant later) Pause for some very rude words , and a week of paint stripping then ensued. Since it was painted with gloss enamels, (Xtracolour again), I ended up having to take 300 grit Wet and dry to it to shift the last bits of paint. During this my wife muttered the immortal lines, "why don't you get another one, and build it", and I did. I now have 2 F-4's in 32nd, including my Namesake's aircraft Capt. Steve Ritchie, and being built second, I managed to get it right first time, and yes it is better than the original messed up one. Moral, if disaster does strike, sit down, have a break, and go back to it fresh, you know it may work out for the best, remember "anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger", (in which case modellers must be made of armoured plate! Colin Ritchie WEMblie and proud of it PS thanks to Caroline, I should be posting a review of the 1/350th Sheffield at the back end of next week, Quick start that cold shower again, I'm coming over hot again........ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: More preservation stuff Colin, I think I can say with certainty that the US has the largest number of WWII era ships now serving the public as museums...I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, being the aviation museum business myself, it's very tough to generate enough $$ to keep the lights on, much less maintain a vessel... Anyway, USS Intrepid - WWII Essex USS Lexington - WWII Essex USS Yorktown - WWII Essex USS Hornet - WWII Essex (still working up) USS Massachusetts - BB USS North Carolina - BB USS Alabama - BB USS Texas - BB USS Missouri - 'nuff said USS New Jersey - hopefully USS Kidd - Fletcher in true WWII fit USS The Sullivans - Fletcher USS Lionfish - Gato in wartime fit USS Ling - Ditto USS Slater - DE Now I know there are alot more out there I neglected to mention, I guess the point is, the ships that were saved had military importance after the war, with a few exceptions. We could argue that the US should have saved the Enterprise or Saratoga instead of the Hornet II or Yorktown II, but neither or the former had much life left in them after the war...I wish I had saved my grandmother's 1969 Pontiac GTO convertible, that had all of 13,000 miles on it when it was sold in 1978 for a mere $2000.00. Hindsight is always 20-20, and it is human nature to screw things up...I graciously give the floor to the Senator from Alaska, Mr. Speaker... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Summa, Kenneth J" Subject: USS San Fransisco Of the new releases from Classic Warships, there are going to be two versions of the San Fransisco. One is a 1/700 of her in a late war (1944) configuration. The other is a 1/350 model of her during the 1st Naval Battle of Guadalcanal (November 1942). In addition, they will also be releasing a 1/350 Minneapolis as she was in 1942 before she lost her bow. Both 1/350 models can be built to different ships in the class. The San Fransisco has parts for the Tuscaloosa and the Minneapolis has parts for the New Orleans and Astoria. All version are for the 1942 time frame. The Minneapolis book is very useful for building any of the first 5 of the class save for the turrets and some deck equipment. Their superstructures are all relatively identical. The last 2 ships were the Quincy and Vincennes but they had their bridges modified before they were lost at Savo Island. As far as I know, there are no plans to write a book of the San Fransisco in the near future. The next release is going to be the USS Louisville, a Northampton class heavy cruiser. Ken ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Preservation Someone mentioned preserving a nuke. I'd have voted for BAINBRIDGE, the world's first nuke guided missile frigate (tho' she ended up reclassified as a CGN). I served in her from 1966-70. She's now just a superstructure-less hull in Bremerton. It's a little humbling to realize that the ship in which I served--and which is 17 years younger than me!--is going to scrap. Guess one of these days I'll have to dig out that old Aurora kit.... John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Baker Subject: A MESSAGE ON GARCIA With regard to Bill Gruner's comment on the state of the U.S.N.'s GARCIA class frigates, only four remain in service, but in the Brazilian Navy, which operates the former ALBERT DAVID (FF 1050) as the PARA (D 27), the former DAVIDSON (FF 1045) as the PARAIBA (D 28), the former SAMPLE (FF 1048) as the PARANA (D 29), and the former BRADLEY (FF 1041) as the PERNAMBUCO (D 30).D 27 and D 29 retain the original small DASH drone helicopter hanger, while the other two have larger hangars that were added while in USN service to accommodate SH-2F LAMPS-I ASW helicopters. Pakistan leased six units of the class in the late 1980s when they were decommissioned from the USN, but all were returned to U.S. control at Singapore and scrapped starting in 1993. None of the similar BROOKE (FFG 1) class were ever transferred abroad. One other unit with the same hulland propulsion plant, the GLOVER (originally AG 163, then AGDE 1 and later FF 1098 and, finally, AGFF 1) remained in service under Military Sealift Control as a towed array trials ship until 1992. Nice looking ships, but rather wet forward and definitely deficient in modern armament; their 1,200 pound turbopressurized "teakettle" boilers were difficult to maintain, and no one was sorry to see them go. Anyone wishing data can look them up in COMBAT FLEETS OF THE WORLD, 1998-99, where the Brazilian quartet are still listed. Hope this is of use. A.D.Baker, III ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: No Horror story But we all know what he's talking about especially the wife or girlfriend part. Thanks Shaya ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Dimitrios Apostolopoulos Subject: Videotape of IPMS Seminars on Camouflage Folks: Because I will not be able to attend the US Nationals, I am wondering if somebody with a videocamera is willing to videotape Jeff Herne and Alan Raven's seminars and roundtable discussion on WWII camouflage matters. I am very interested in getting a copy of the tape and willing to pay all costs associated with the videotaping and shipment. Thanks, Dimi ***NOTE FROM LISTMASTER*** I SECOND THIS - CAN ANYBODY HELP???? - GREG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "T. J. KOENIGSFELD" Subject: 1/350 figures (people) Hello, Just in case some people didnt get my first message, I was wondering if someone has figures in 1/350 scale. I only need a couple and it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you T. J. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Lead ID Ship Models Would like to hear from anyone who has any experience restoring WW2 ship cast in lead alloy. Scale 1/1200? Made by Comet. John Frohock USNSM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Dave Carter Subject: Type 21 HMS Ambuscade help needed Hi there Mike, The letters you wanted are: AB Best Regards Caroline Carter White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Dedalo/Garcia Cataldo Torelli wrote: >> I know Skywave makes her in 1/700 (a relabeled Independence class carrier I think). Is it a good and accurate kit for the Dédalo version? What about the real Dédalo after her decommisioning? << A decent model but I think a different class of CVL. Be prepared to do some major reworking to get Dedalo. The story of the Dedalo (ex-USS Cabot) since the ship was acquired from Spain is a comedy of errors. Lots of mismanagement, stupidity, and corruption. All efforts to preserve the ship and turn her into a museum have floundered. She was decaying at a pier in New Orleans, where I saw her a year ago. I think she is now at some Texas port, waiting to be scrapped or sunk as an artificial reef. >> One of the new models they advert is 1/700 FFG Garcia Cl. I would like to know more about the kit and the manufacturer. It sounds like a Spanish Navy vessel, isn't it? Any info is welcome about this kit and others Spanish Navy kits. << Corsair Armada makes superb kits. The Garcia-class was decommissioned in the mid-80s or thereabouts and eventually some were leased to Pakistan. Then the US Gov't got upset about something and they were more or less taken back and put in mothballs. They might be still up for foreign sale/lease if not yet scrapped. Spain did not operate them but did build several derivatives of the Knox-class FF. Corsair Armada and AFV Club both make very good 1/700 models of the Knox-class. (The latter is injected plastic; the former is resin.) Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Hi Everyone, Well, it's off to Santa Clara for the Big One. I'll be at the Iron Shipwrights tables where I hope to meet many of my fellow ship modelers. You'll know you've come to the right place when you see the biggest lineup of new ship models ever seen at an IPMS National Event. Here's are some of Iron Shipwright's new 1:350 releases: Admiral Graf Spee, HMS Sheffield, HMS Rodney/Nelson, HMS Hesperus, HMS Lance, German Type 36a DD, and a BIG new 1:192 release. Come by and take a look at these kits and their rock bottom show special prices (HMS Sheffield $160, Graf Spee $175) and you'll see why our competition is worried. In fact, due to the incredible response to these releases, even those of you who can't make can get these kits at the same price. Just call 1-888-IRONSHIP before July 5 and place your order. Did I say a BIG new 1:192 release? I sure did. US Navy DD enthusiasts, your day has come. Come by and see the pattern, and get the reference being used for it. And Iron Shipwright's great new brass set for the Minicraft Titanic kit will be available. It has EVERYTHING you'll need on one complete fret for $24.95. If turn-of-the-century ships turn you on, then our 1:192 USS Maine is for you, or perhaps the 1:350 Maine or the 1:350 Olympia. Not quite what you had in mind? Step over to the Steel Navy table and feast your eyes on HMS Dreadnought 1906 ($185), or perhaps the pattern for the HMS Invincible (1916). Dave Runkle, the owner of Steel Navy, has pulled out all the stops with his World War I offerings. And if you are nice to him perhaps he will let you look at the soon-to-be-released HMS Euryalus, a gorgeous Dido class cruiser available in August. Still not quite what you were looking for? Tom's Modelworks will have its Essex class carrier in both waterline ($350) and full hull ($400) versions, as well as the USS West Virginia 1941, USS Arizona 1921, HMS Campbelltown 1942, not to mention test shots of other pending kits. This is just a hint of what you'll see at our Nats tables. There will be lots more. Iron Shipwrights, Tom's Modelworks, Steel Navy, Armada Scale Models, Accurate Image Models.... THE lineup for ship modelers at the best prices. Look for the big white Tom's Modelworks banner; it'll be hard to miss! Jon Warneke Iron Shipwrights ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Painter's Guide of WWII Naval Ships The Painter's Guide is sold at the Naval Base in NYC 212-759-1846. We also carry Floating Drydocks Camf. book which is being now being reprinted. We also carry all of the Floquils Naval Colors WWII and modern. We are at http://www.navalbasehobbies.com Thanks, Shaya ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: IPMS Nats OK Jeff, YOU bring Alan--I just assumed that Randy would also have him well in tow. :^) Camo? Randy and I will be there with our new two-sheet sets of 21 USN paint chips, matched to Munsell and to original paint chips. Alan will be handling these for us, and we hope to have Pacific Front and perhaps WEM pick them up, too (Bill? Caroline/Dave?). We'll be starting on a set of RN paint chips next, then working with Falk Pletscher on a Kreigsmarine set. Caroline--will you be bringing my 1/700 WARSPITE? I'll wear tight jeans if you do (not as tall or young as Steve, but....). See you all there, John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) Subject: SMML Lunch on Friday 1:30 From: Duane Fowler Hello SMMLies, It's set. Lunch on Friday at 1:30 (or 2:00) to make sure that we can all make it to Jeff's talks. The place is the 94th Aero Squadron near the airport (we don't have a harbor nearby unless you count the Alviso Slew). Please let me know if you can make it so I can warn, er, I mean inform the restaurant. Please e-mail me ahead of time, or if you can't I will be at the registration table on Wednesday night wearing a red carnation. Regards, Duane Fowler ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume