Subject: SMML03/08/98VOL260
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:35:40 +1000 (EST)

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MODELLERS INDEX

1: Re: Typhoon SSBN
2: Help Wanted
3: Flowers and Corvettes
4: USS OLYMPIA
5: Larger Scales - Dean's Marine
6: Re:  Ugly Corvettes.
7: Re: Corrupted files

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TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX

1: Warship Update
2: BOOKS FOR SALE - 1:1250 MODELS FOR SALE
3: AD:  Potemkin and Aurora kits

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MODELLERS

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From: Ives100@aol.com
Subject: Re: Typhoon SSBN

 Greg-
 
 Be aware that the "beaver tail" on the DML Typhoon model is wrong, very
wrong. Shortly after the model was made, pictures of a Typhoon in drydock
were obtained, and the big boat does not have a beaver tail. There are two
smaller stern planes abaft the propellers, both of which are in a short duct.

 Pictures and diagrams appeared in one of the SubCommittee Reports, and many
R/C Typhoon kits have had this correction for several years. A little
scratchbuilding is necessary if you want to correct the model.

 Tom Dougherty
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From: Keith Butterley <keith_butterley@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Help Wanted

 Reposting a part of my message of last Tuesday. Didn't get any response, now somebody out there must have some answers.

 SMML=Second Message Maybe Lucky.

 Anyways speaking of grey, it seems I recall back about a month ago that
somebody mentioned that Kriegsmarine ships had two shades of grey only
slightly varying between the hull and superstructure. As I am finally
getting ready to paint the Deutchland I would like to know what shade of
Testors should I be using and how much and what should I be tinting it with to obtain the above stated differences? What was lighter hull or superstructure? Also since this is a prewar depiction I would imagine I can just go ahead and use some form of wood coloring for the deck? In Janes Battleships of the 20th Century it looks like the deck is buff and the superstructure color is more of  a dark tan can anybody comment on this. And why was the slight difference in the grey used, I know it apparently went back to the Kaisers Navy could somebody give me the history on that if possible or was it a case of just because?

 Keith Butterley
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From: Ronnie Hiatt <oldsteel@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Flowers

>> But face it, they're not the prettiest ships in the world. <<

 That Honor (in my biased opinion) would be bestowed upon the old U.S. NAVY Hospital Ships! Not just from an outside view! Ever seen one close? I've been aboard the USS Sanctuary when it was still active, and, I can honestly say: It was the cleanest, prettiest, (not counting sailing ships e.g. U.S.C.G. Eagle) most polished Brass, Beautiful Wood laden, work of ART of a Vessel I have ever seen! fwiw/I HAVE been aboard a LOT of (active) U.S. NAVY ships! I can't speak for other countries' ships.

>> I think I'll chime in to put a different spin on Jeff comments and the> rejoinders by Caroline and Tim.

 I'm a Canadian.  As such, I must like Corvettes (I think it's written> somewhere in the Constitution<g>). <<

 With all the "Yamato-like" chatter about em' (sorry Greg couldn't resist! :^) If anyone is interested? I have a VERY GOOD copy of the movie "Corvette
K-225" I enjoy the ba-jee-bees out of it! If someone wants a copy email me a
blank VCR tape or enough US dollars 3 or 4? to buy a good quality tape and I will make you a copy. GOOD Clean one too! NO COMMERCIALS! yeaaaaaa! For those who haven't seen it, (if anyone here hasn't!) Robert Mitchum is in it and so young and unknown, he isn't even listed in the credits! Great Actors! Noah Berry, Andy Devine, many many more you will recognize. (If you're old enough?) <grin> There's some Great HEAVY N. Atlantic SEAS scenes in it.

 Reminded me of serving on a Destroyer, while escorting a Carrier. Skipper sent message to Carrier.."Request Permission FLAG reduce speed so Escort can surface!"
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From: SantMin@aol.com
Subject: USS OLYMPIA

 I'm just putting the finishing touches on Iron Shipwright's OLYMPIA and
although the kit has received some bad press, I want to say that with a
little extra work (come on now, what kit does not need a little extra work !!) it makes up into a fantastic little model. Thanks Iron Shipwright.

 Bob Santos
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5)
From: SeaPhoto@aol.com
Subject: Larger Scales - Dean's Marine

 First off, the Dean's Dreadnaught looks terrific. In general, the British
offerings of this firm are very nice. The American and German destroyers are
not as nice, but can be made into nice models with a far amount of additional work.

 If I didn't have so many large scale models scattered about my workshop,
that Dreadnaught would be on the way....  <Grin>. To the US, figure about $
810.00 delivered from the Model Boatyard in the UK, once shipping is added and VAT taken off. It is available in the US from a distributor at about double the price.

 Other large scale ship sources:

 The Scale Shipyard - they have 1/48 and 1/96 scale hulls and fittings from
tugs to the Nimitz (!)

 Sirmar - Nice 1/96 scale hulls for British ships, a couple of American.
Some of the nicest 1/96 scale quad 40's I have seen.

 Fleetscale - 1/128 line of hulls, fittings - covering a wide variety of
Navies

 Superships - 1/48 CG-47 class, T-ATF - better have a big vehicle for these! 

 If there is any interest I can elaborate this subject.

 Kurt Greiner
 SeaPhoto Maritime Photography
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From: b29@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re:  Ugly Corvettes.

 In the last two weeks I've heard more about FLOWERS than I ever wanted to
know. Wish we could avoid fixations on things like these and the YAMATO!  Anyway, I've been following the debate over the beauty of FLOWER Class corvettes, and can no longer stand silently by.

 Let's put this in perspective. Warships built in peacetime often are designed with some amount of beauty and streamlining in mind. After all, most ship designers usually have some artistic background or training and take pride in the beauty of their work. Take for example, French and Italian ships built between the World Wars. I'm sure that other readers will have their own favorites. Some war built ships also had the good fortune of being beautifully designed, for example the OREGON CITY and DES MOINES Classes.  
Yes, and even the much beaten about YAMATO's had a certain panache, but mainly because they were the product of a long line of Hiraga designs going back to the 1920's.

 Most war built ships, however, were designed with only two things in mind:
mass production and functionality. Beauty was merely a chance, which might
result if the design was a refinement of a pre-war design.

 The FLOWER class had no good pre-war lineage. They were intended to be
cheap, fast construction throwaways, which would last the duration of the war and then be turned into toasters, refrigerators and automobiles. Any
beauty would have been purely accidental.

 In a beauty contest, the FLOWERS would win no prizes. But in an ugly ship
contest, they wouldn't win any either. There were a lot uglier built,
especially back in the latter part of the 19th century when a great deal of
experimentation and technical change were occurring.

 No one should get offended by opinions as to beauty or lack thereof. Remember, we're talking about pieces of metal and wood here, not other people.  And, as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 Paul Jacobs
 1250 Editor
 http://warship.simplenet.com
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From: "Jeff Herne" <jherne@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Corrupted files

 Did somebody say corrupted FILES? I thought we were talking about subscribers....  :-)

 Who's gonna bite on this one???
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TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD

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From: "Rob Mackie" <Rmackie@pacbell.net>
Subject: Warship Update

 This week's Warship (http://warship.simplenet.com) update includes the
following new items

 -Build-up review of Classic Warships 1:350 USS North Carolina
 -Photo tour of Battleship USS North Carolina on display in Wilmington,
North Carolina
 -Pic-of-the Week:  Battleship USS Maine
 -Updated Pacific Front Recent Arrivals page
 -Updated New Releases and Developments in 1250 Scale
 -Added new sources for 1250 scale models to the 1250 History page
 -Added brief reviews of several new releases on 1250 Model Reviews page

 I'll be on vacation until mid August, so no further updates until then.

 Rob Mackie
 Warship
 http://warship.simplenet.com
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From: b29@ix.netcom.com
Subject: BOOKS FOR SALE - 1:1250 MODELS FOR SALE

 I have the following books for sale:

 THE FRENCH NAVY, Vol. 2  by Le Masson, Doubleday Pocket Book, 1969. Long
out of print. In d.j., ex-lib. Good condit. $20.00 + post.  (I recently saw
Vol 2 offered by a dealer at $30).

 THE COMMODORES, by Guttridge and Smith, USNIP "Classics of Naval Literature" series.  New condition $10 + post.

 Also, if you are interested in my list of surplus 1:1250 models, contact me.

 Paul Jacobs
 b29@ix.netcom.com
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From: Pacific Front Hobbies <pacfront@accessone.com>
Subject: Potemkin and Aurora kits

 In response to some inquiries about the 1/400 Potemkin and Aurora kits, we still have several of each in stock for $16.00 each. Also have several copies left of V.F. Tomitch's book, Warships of the Imperial Russian Navy Vol.1, Battleships....$30.00, mint original condition.

 Thanks, Bill Gruner
 Pacific Front Hobbies
 http://www.pacificfront.com

 PS...Just received the Hi-Mold 1/700 kit of French BB Richelieu...an
absolutely outstanding kit, and it will be featured both on the WARSHIP
website, and our own website as the Featured Model of the Month.
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