Subject: SMML05/08/98VOL262 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:18:32 +1000 (EST) shipmodels@wr.com.au --------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://warship.simplenet.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: MAS torpedo boats 2: Soviet sub colors 3: things to see in Germany 4: KM deck colors 5: Re: Mission Capistrano 6: Re: USS Harry S Truman 7: Re: MAS boats 8: Heller 'Le Soirot'/for SMML 9: Re: Best looking ship class 10: Tug Camouflage 11: Large Scale Ship Sources 12: Re: Midway Models? 13: Re: DKM Colors 14: Re: Best Looking Ship Awards 15: Re: Typhoon 16: Address Required - David McGregor (?) Plans 17: Used to be Shades of Grey but now goes for the more attractive subject of Question on the Deutschen Kriegsmarine Type 36 Destroyer painting 18: Re: Best Looking Ship ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Paolo Pizzi Subject: MAS torpedo boats SMML wrote: >> Hello, and thank you all for a great list! I'm searching for information, especially any type of drawings, on four Italian MAS (Motoscafi Anti Sommergibili) Torpedo Boats that were bought by the Swedish Navy in 1939. I'm sorry to say that i don't know the Italian designation of this specific MAS type, but the four boats were built by Baglietto and delivered around 1937 to the Italian Navy. The boats had a lenght of 17 meters, a speed of around 45 knots and were equiped with two 45 cm torpedo tubes. The Swedish boats had the numbers 506, 508, 511 and 524 when they served with the Italian Navy. Does anyone know these boats and possibly where I could find information? << The four boats sold to Sweden were MAS 506 which became T11, 508 which became T12, 511 which became T13 and 524 which became T14. All four belonged to the "500" class, 1st series (4 series were built with a fifth one drawn but never constructed.) Navismagazine.com is going to publish an article on the 500 class (most numerous in WWII) with drawings and rare photographs in one of the next issues. Anyway, here are brief specs on the 500/I class: Displacement: 22t Dimensions (in meters): 17 x 4.4 x 1.25 Propulsion: 2x 2,000 hp Isotta Fraschini Asso 1000 2x 80 hp Carraro D8M auxiliaries 2-shaft system, max speed 44 kts. Fuel: 3.2 t Range: 400 nm @ 42 kts. on main engines 1,000 nm @ 6 kts on auxiliaries Armament: 2x 450mm. torpedoes 1x Breda 13.2 (during the war the 13.2 was gradually substituted on all boats with the much more effective 20/65. Later series in the 500 class were fitted with the 20/65 from the start.) Depth charge stern roller with 6x 50 kg. charges Crew: 9 (11 in wartime) Paolo Pizzi http://navismagazine.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: DKrakow105@aol.com Subject: Soviet sub colors >> My Question is: Are GS paints workeable, and colours reasonably well matched to the real subjects? << Careful with the color called out for the "below water line" portion of the hull. I noticed that most models of soviet subs (including those in the movie Hunt for Red Oktober) show a medium grey underside. However, this was not corroborated by the photos of prototypes. I asked a former Soviet nuclear submarine navigator officer about colors and he explained that the modern rubber-coated boats, such as the Typhoon, are an overall black, with a narrow white stripe around the waterline. Cheers, David Krakow Frankfurt Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: DKrakow105@aol.com Subject: things to see in Germany >> Hello Germany........... Hope to see some good things there. << Hello from Germany, JVT. Best naval-oriented thing to see here is the U995 museum boat in Laboe. Its a type VII you can walk through. Hard to take pics inside unless you have a flash and a wide ange lens. Go to Kiel, up north and follow the signs to Laboe. If you are in Munich, take a look at the ship models in the Deutsches Museum. There is a nice Admiral Hipper in 1:72nd scale (I think, its big anyway) and a huge model Deutschland there, etc. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: DKrakow105@aol.com Subject: KM deck colors Just to add to the recent discussion of KM colors, I thought I would point out that up till a certain time in the late 1930's, the KM covered portions of decks with a dark brown linoleum, held together with brass strips, as did the Japanese. Portions of the KM Deutschland's upper decks were covered in this material, which would explain the dark colors seen in the photos. However, other portions of decks were covered with wood gratings, such as the bridge decks. These gratings also show up as a darker color in the photos...just to make things a bit confusing...but not quite as dark. Incidentally, the brown lino material was used on ship's motor boats throughout the war. I think one of the best sources of information on deck colors are the contemporary models built before and during the war for museums in Germany. (Such a model of the Deutschland is on display at the Deutsches Museum in Munich) Anyone know where there are color photos of these models? David Krakow ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Mitchell Subject: Re: Mission Capistrano Dan Jones has a 2-part article published in the Jan/Feb and Mar/Apr '98 issues of Seaways Ships in Scale magazine. In it he says, "Straight from the box, the kit can be built into a fairly convincing replica of a T2 tanker, if you stand back a bit. Up close, the years have not been so kind ... However, the basics are there and with a little detailing, this kit has tremendous potetial." Also, " ... the kit is not a Mission-class tanker. In the form it was issued (as the Texaco tanker J.L. Hanna), the kit was probably more accurate, for the J.L. Hanna was a standard T2-SE-A1. Because the A2 subgroup was a development of the standard T2-SE-A1 design, there are many common features, but there is a major external appearabce at the stern." I purchased two of the kits and plan to build one as a Navy oiler and the other as commercial tanker. Hope this helps, Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Les Dorr Jr." Subject: Re: USS Harry S Truman >> Will let the list know if I'm successful, since there are a lot of CVN fans out there who will be interested in eventually doing a model. << Good photos would be great! The pix on the Truman's web site really don't give much detail. Italeri has included quite a few new parts on their new Truman kit to make it more like a late Nimitz-class CVN. Les ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: MAS boats >> I'm sorry to say that I don't know the Italian designation of this specific MAS type, but the four boats were built by Baglietto and delivered around 1937 to the Italian Navy. << Try writing to Baglietto. You would be suprised how much help the ship yard can be in getting you blueprints or at least pointing you in the right direction to obtain them. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Paul Welch Subject: Heller 'Le Soirot'/for SMML Does anyone know anything about the quality of Heller's recent 1/200 'le Soirot' research vessel? Also does anyone have any idea of any sources for more details for the vessel? Thanks Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Best looking ship class >> can send in our votes for what we consider the best looking ships. << No doubt about it. Any of the Iowa Class battleships. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Vimieraa@aol.com Subject: Tug Camouflage A contact of mine in the UK, one who is not on the internet, is trying to obtain data on camouflage as applied to Navahoe class tugs in WW Two. Can anyone help? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Michael Kear Subject: Large Scale Ship Sources >> If I didn't have so many large scale models scattered about my workshop, that Dreadnaught would be on the way.... . To the US, figure about $ 810.00 delivered from the Model Boatyard in the UK, once shipping is added and VAT taken off. It is available in the US from a distributor at about double the price. Other large scale ship sources: The Scale Shipyard - they have 1/48 and 1/96 scale hulls and fittings from tugs to the Nimitz (!) Sirmar - Nice 1/96 scale hulls for British ships, a couple of American. Some of the nicest 1/96 scale quad 40's I have seen. Fleetscale - 1/128 line of hulls, fittings - covering a wide variety of Navies Superships - 1/48 CG-47 class, T-ATF - better have a big vehicle for these! If there is any interest I can elaborate this subject. << Hey Kurt! Don't forget us! AFP Models have over 500 1/72 scale warship products, mostly modern US, UK and RAN warships, resin and brass. We've sent our models to 7 countries now. You can get kits, or plans or fittings, or get the kits in bits as you go. We're specialists in 1/72 scale. We also have a few 1/48 scale minehunter products - these are the new minehunter that are very similar to the new ones the USN are building. The RAN call them the Huon class. I'm wounded that you would forget us!!.... http://www.afp.zip.com.au/models.html. Fair winds and following seas, Mike Kear, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: Re: Midway Models? About a week ago someone mentioned Midway Models in England and asked if they are still around. Six or eight years age they were offering a line of 1/192 WW2 RN "semikits" (fiberglass hull, fittings, plans). At the time I think they offered Dorsetshire, Rodney, KGV, Town Class Cruiser and there was some talk about Hood. I got the Dorsetshire and Nelson, but not the others, and I lost track of Midway Models after Marine Modeling magazine disappeared from the shelves (at least in Tampa, Florida) some years ago. So, I ask again-does anybody know if Midway Models is still out there? Steve Sobieralski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: DKM Colors Evert-Jan: What was the source of your reference to specific RAL colors for the DKM, and do you have any other specific RAL references for the DKM? John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Sue & Ben Subject: Re: Best Looking Ship Awards Greg wrote: >> IOWA CLASS - ALL CLASS! << Ah that Greg. A prince of a man (hey, he runs this here list doesn't he?). But not only that; he has good taste! Guess what; I second the nomination, ad infinitum. As a close second I pick the 'battlecruisers' Alaska and Guam. Useless but purdy. In third place the DKM Scharnorst and Gneisenau but only after they received their so-called clipper bow. >> (Lusting again)<< Nothing wrong with lusting, unless your wife is around and you're actually drooling... :-) Cheers Ben Montreal, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Re: Typhoon As I recall, in addition to the "beaver tail" actually being a totally different shape and number of screws, the forward dive planes and missile silos are off. But the primary problem (and this hasn't been confirmed, mind you) is that the Typhoon is a double-hull (catamaran?) submarine, and the underside is concave and reflects this. Ai yi yi! Burl Burlingame Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 A historical interpretation company. Visit our web site at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Max Loosli Subject: Address Required - David McGregor (?) Plans Hi, I'm trying to get the address or telephone number (prefered) for the David McGregor who does ship plans. I understand that he's some where in Bath(?), in the UK. Can any body help ? Regards, Max ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Alberto Rada Subject: Used to be Shades of Grey but now goes for the more attractive subject of Question on the Deutschen Kriegsmarine Type 36 Destroyer painting Sorry guys, but could not avoid that one, no, please please I really need some help, I just bought from The Iron Shipwright their 1:350 scale Type 36A German Destroyer, but the instructions (where did I read this before?) have no information whatsoever on colors, and I have not been able to find any reference on this subject, so can someone bring a light on this? SALUDOS BTW, this model is waterline, so I don't have to SEW it Alberto ( going back to the corner looking at the wall ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Michael Quan" Subject: Re: Best Looking Ship Hello All! Amen to "positivity!" My vote for BLS is the Alaska class battlecruisers. Mike Quan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume