Subject: SMML10/08/97VOL267 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:50:33 +1000 (EST) shipmodels@wr.com.au --------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://warship.simplenet.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Best Looking Ships 2: Re: Yamato dream 3: Grand Prix books vs others 4: Saratoga in Rhode Island 5: Prettiest ship 6: Re: Photo Mystery 7: Best Looking Ship. 8: Re: More on Mystery Photo 9: USN CGNs 10: Shades of grey on Type 36A zerstorere 11: airbrush masking ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Japanese Ship Web site, and help wanted. 2: Re: 1/700 Texas photo-etch (Trade info) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "John Treadwell" Subject: Re: Best Looking Ships Graham Holmes wrote in SMML 7/8 including >> HMS Hecate/Hydra Oceanographic survey vessels of the 60/70s. These were odd ships, but I think they were quite pretty. Very well proportioned. After all, in the eye of the beholder..... << It is clear that beauty is very much only skin deep. Having served in the class name Ship HMS Hecla during the mid seventies I can assure you all that they were capable of rolling on wet grass and surveying in the North Atlantic was never a comfortable option. Good looking ships really must be elegant, long and well proportioned.... My vote really must be for HMS Hood. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Yamato dream >> had the strangest dream last night. Don't ask me where this one came from- my first ship related dream. << Weren't airbrushing enamels in a closed space right before bedtime, were you?? ;^) Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Dave Pluth Subject: Grand Prix books vs others Hi all, I was just looking through Pacific Front Hobbies catalog at their books on Japanese Ships and ran across several that look interesting. Unfortunately the finance department of the household has put some constraints on my budget. So, out of these books, which would give the most bang for your buck and give the widest variety of info. Grand Prix Books on IJN Cruisers, Destroyers, Aircraft Carriers Kaijin-Sha Ships of the World books Kojinsha/Maru-Ship Thanks in advance for any help. Dave Japanese Aircraft & Ship Modeling Web Page http://www.j-aircraft.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Denis G. Campbell" Subject: Saratoga in Rhode Island I read in the local newspaper that the uss saratoga (CV60) arrived in Middletown RI on Friday and will be joined in September by Forrestall and Iowa. They are being moved because of the closing of the Philadelphia navy yard. The article said that saratoga will not be opened to the public yet - which I take as an implication that it will be some time. A great opportunity for New Englanders to see these 3 ships and maybe get some good pictures. Of course, you all are aware the USS Missouri went to Pearl Harbor about a month ago and will become a museum - sort of like the French railway car the armistice was signed in to end WWI (and used by Hitler in 1940 to accept the surrender of France - to rub some noses in it). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Prettiest ship My 2 cents worth... DKM Scharnhorst after refit w/clipper bow USS Sumner/Gearing Ugliest: Flowers most IJN destroyers INCOMING !!!! :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: b29@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Photo Mystery I need help getting the correct identification for a photo for a diorama. The photo in question is of the French CL LAMOTTE PICQUET, and shows it anchored in port. Three warehouses are visible in the background. One has large lettering on it which says GENERAL MOTORS, CHINA, INC. Another has lettering that says HOLT'S WHARF. I am trying to determine what port this is. The photo appears in WARSHIP INTERNATIONAL, 1980, No.1 at page 17 and is identified as a U.S. Navy photo, NH 54929. WI states the photo shows the ship on Feb. 27, 1937 at MANILA. The same photo appears in the MARINES EDITIONS book about the French 8000 ton cruisers, and says the photo was taken Feb. 27, 1936 at HONG KONG. Can anyone confirm the location? Paul Jacobs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Lester Abbey" Subject - Best Looking Ship. Fuso - Hands down. The pagoda superstructure is magnificent as is the layout of armament. I have served a 5 year modelling apprenticeship before I feel worthy to attempt such a subject. I intend to start in October this year - when WEM has it's IJN AA PE set ready and the USNIP Fuso book is published. When finished I expect it to be the pride of my collection. Any suggestions as to how to do the shortened catapult on the Q turret? Regards Lester Abbey Wellington New Zealand ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: b29@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: More on Mystery Photo Earlier I wrote asking for information regarding a photo of the cruiser LAMOTTE PICQUET taken in either Hong Kong or Manila. Now, while going through my library I have found two more photos: Japanese CL YUBARI: This photo appears at page 164 in the recently issued JAPANESE CRIUSERS OF WW II, by Lacroix and Wells. It shows YUBARI in the exact same spot with the two buildings clearly visible. The photo caption says that it is "in China". Interestingly, there is also a junk visible in the photo. Japanese DD SATSUKI: I have a number of photos from a USN group of intelligence photos labeled "Division of Naval Intelligence" and dated June 1943. This photo clearly shows two warehouses in the background with the names HOLT'S WHARF and GENERAL MOTORS CHINA, INC. The photo is labeled "Shanghai April 18, 1937." A cropped version of this photo appears in JAPANESE NAVAL VESSELS OF WW II AS VIEWED BY NAVAL INTELLIGENCE, and shows only the ship. Japanese CM YAEYAMA: In another photo in this group, the YAEYAMA is shown moored at a dock, and behind it partly visible is a building which looks exactly like HOLT'S WHARF, because it has the same type of ventilators on the roof. However, it is not possible to read the writing on the roof. But on the side of the building, the word "SHANGHAI" is visible. The caption written on the photo says "Shanghai, April 1937." Unlike all the other photos mentioned, this one was taken at sea level. All the others were taken from above, as if photographed from a low flying plane or a building. It seems unlikely that ONI would not recognize Manila, if that's where the photos were taken. But let's face it. Dumb mistakes were often made. So now, we have three candidates: Manila, Hong Kong, and Shanghai. Anyboby got the right answer? Paul Jacobs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Stuart Robottom Subject: USN CGNs This is for a friend: Does anybody know of any models of ANY USN CGNs? I have found some instructions for the fitting of weapons systems for a California on the back of a Skywave box of modern US weapons, but nothing apart from that. I am mainly interested in good old plastic, preferably 1:700 scale. Treasury does not permit the funding of fleet expansion in 1:350! This is a long shot, especially considering I live near what Jerry Seinfeld refers to as the anus of the world... Actually, I think he apologised for that, but it does not help with the shipping costs! Thanks in advance, Stuart Robottom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "RLOCKIE" Subject: Shades of grey on Type 36A zerstorere There are several pages of camouflage patterns and some fine line drawings (including cross sections) in the 'Von Original Zum Modell' book on German destroyers. However, at least one of them (I forget which one) is contradicted by a photograph of the same ship in 'Anstriche und Tarnanstriche der Deutschen Kriegsmarine' as the photo shows it to have the upper part of the splinter pattern in a lighter colour than the lower part. My German is not up to the task of translating the text so I have not got beyond the pictures yet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Morley, James (London)" Subject: airbrush masking Hi, Can anyone give me some advice on how to mask the vertical surfaces of a resin (WEM Gloucester as it happens) to allow the horizontal surfaces to be sprayed a darker colour. Given that the decks etc are not seperate pieces, I was assuming that the best method would be to build up as much of the main superstructure as possible, add photoetch, spray light grey, mask, spray the deck gray. Any thoughts? For a new 1/350 kit....... I'd still like to see Tamiya bring out a Nimitz (but I know that's not the question being asked). How about a California class CGN, not represented (as far as I know) in resin or injection.....Dragon, are you listening? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Dave Pluth Subject: Japanese Ship Web site, and help wanted. Hi all, Several of you have probably stopped by my web site for your Japanese Aircraft modeling fix over the last year. Well, the ship modeling bug bit and bit hard and I decided to add Japanese Ships to my database of models available. I gathered a list of 200+ Japanese kits (and I'm sure there's more and I'd like to know about them) and many photoetch and detail sets that are currently available for folks to peruse. This goes with the 1800+ aircraft models, and hundreds of books, decal sets, photo etch sets and the like. I'll also be adding at least one web board dedicated specifically to Japanese Ship modeling (probably in the next two weeks), to go with the three aircraft, one chat and one Want Ad board already in existence. I do however need some help, as ships is an area that I'm still learning and gathering information on. If you have additional kits, photoetch or resin parts, books (references) etc, that I've missed in my lists, please send them, if you have a review or photos you'd like to share, I'd love to have them. If you have ideas for things you'd like to see on the board, please drop me a note. Thanks in advance to all for any help or suggestions they may offer. Dave Pluth Japanese Aircraft & Ship Modeling Web Page http://www.j-aircraft.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/700 Texas photo-etch >> I was at the Ft Worth IPMS show today and I had a chance to speak with the people of Viking Models. They are working on a 1/700 Texas and a 1/700 New York. Their hoped for date to have it ready is 4 to 6 weeks. That will make it mid- to late-September. Their target retail cost bogey is less than $60.00(US). I didn't ask about extras like brass. Rusty - are you working on them? << Dan and I talked about this. Apparently the decision (as of now) will be to scale down the photo-etched parts for the 1/700 model. I made sure Dan understood that if that was done the main resin parts (hull, superstructure etc.) would have to be EXACT scale matches to the 1/350 parts to insure an accurate fit. Dan told me it would not be a problem. It's also not that simple to just scale down photo-etch parts. The photoetcher has minimun line widths depending on the thickness of the brass. So as long as they reduce the brass thickness in scale to the line widths they should be okay. Time will tell. By the way (a shameful plug) Flagship Models is now offering to do custom photo-etch for companies or individuals. E-mail me and I'll send you a file with all the information. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume