Subject: SMML19/08/98VOL276 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:59:55 +1000 (EST) shipmodels@wr.com.au --------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://warship.simplenet.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: - Gibbs & Cox 2: DKM Seydlitz (Another Hypothetical Ship) 3: Heller U-Boat Model 4: Gibbs and Cox 5: sub paint jobs 6: Seawolf (SSN 21) color scheme 7: Re: Gibbs & Cox Models 8: Re: HMS Dorsetshire 9: color accuracy 10: 1/1200 kits 11: Re: Plans for Russian Round Armored ships ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WTD - MB Models Phone # 2: USS BIRMINGHAM CL-62 or USS COLUMBIA CL-56 WTD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: - Gibbs & Cox The Maine Maritime Museum in Bath has a G&C model of the DE HAVEN (DD 727) on display, as well as a large number of photos from G&C. I believe the ATLANTA model is on display at the Cyclorama in Atlanta, GA. Al Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: YHSAIO@aol.com Subject: DKM Seydlitz (Another Hypothetical Ship) Greetings: Thanks to Manuel P. Gonzalez Lopez for answering my Spanish Veneto questions. I don't what's with me this week, but I have another question concerning a hypothetical ship. This time, it's the proposal by the Kriegsmarine to convert the cruiser Seydlitz into an aircraft carrier. As this is the best way of making something out of the 1/720 piece of plastic dung which is supposed to be the Prinz Eugen (another model Bill Gruner should consider in the new line of kits), I would like information/plans on how to make this conversion. Maybe somebody in SMML has actually done this conversion and would enlighten us as to how it's done. Yunchi Hsaio ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Heller U-Boat Model Hi Folks, I just received the Heller 1/400 scale U-Boat model (it was a freebie and I don't look at a gift horse in the mouth). It is supposed to be a Type VII C u-boat. There are decals for a U576 and U995. The kit also comes with two types of conning towers - a narrower vs wider version (going from bow to stern). This kit is really tiny (it is almost "cute"). Just wanted to hear from anyone with experience with this kit, does it do a decent job of representing his class of u-boat and what are the good sources of info on U Boats with photos. This kit should make a quick project on a rainy weekend. Thanks, Felix Bustelo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Gene Larson Subject: Gibbs and Cox Perhaps what you are looking for is contained on the following page of the USN Curator of Models' new web site. All Gibbs and Cox models in the USN posession, with their present location, are listed under the faq which is linked to this page: http://www.dt.navy.mil/cnsm/faq_09b.html As I posted a couple of days ago the new site is at: http://www.dt.navy.mil/cnsm/ This site is linked at the top of the NRG's page: "SOURCES FOR NAVAL HISTORICAL RESOURCES, WASHINGTON, D.C. & REGIONAL" Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia mailto:genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org "A non-profit, tax exempt, educational organization with international membership, dedicated to maritime research and accurate ship model building." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: RE: sub paint jobs >> Half way up the hull of a sub I can understand, but how does one define the waterline? Isn't that kind of oxymoronic? << No, it's the surfaced waterline, which can vary depending on the load. When launched, these boats tend to sit a bit high, as they are not yet complete. In fact, in the past some subs, such as the early Polaris SSBNs slid with added weights to bring them to the desired buoyancy point. Once they become operational, the concept of waterline is a bit meaningless, and the red lead 1/2 up the hull is used. Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Seawolf (SSN 21) color scheme >> I just got the Viking Models new kit of the 1/350 scale Seawolf and i had a question. Submarines are not my specialty and I want to know if the Seawolf was the usual hull red below the waterline like other ballistic and attack subs? << The current Seawolf (SSN 21) color scheme (on very good authority) is: Centerline to keel is antifouling red From centerline to waterline, grimy black From waterline up, flat black Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "mike.leonard" Subject: Re: Gibbs & Cox Models >> I am trying to determine the location of ship models by the firm of Gibbs and Cox in the US. If you know where one of these extrodinary models is on display, or stored, could you please post or let me know? I hope to put together a list. << Kurt, coincidentally there is now a Web site for the Curator of Naval Ship Models (CNSM). A "dream job", I'd venture to say!. Go to: http://www.dt.navy.mil/cnsm The 'dt' part is a reference to the David Taylor laboratory in Maryland, which includes a building about the size of a football field. I hope to get the tour some day. The site lists several locations where models are on display, though it is somewhat vague. For example, it might say that a certain ship model is at the Naval Education and Training Center (NETC) in Newport, RI, but not specifically which command or even which building. I've seen stuff scattered all over NETC: in the Naval War College, the NWC museum (obviously), Surface Warfare Officer School, SWOS Department Head School, etc. There is even a huge model of a Gearing DD sitting in a dining room at the Officer's Club. Contact me if there is a particular G&C model in the DC area that you want to know about. I've photographed a lot of what's at the Smithsonian and Washington Navy Yard. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: HMS Dorsetshire Hi All, For what it's worth, there's a photograph of the Imperial War Museum's diorama of the Dorsetshire undergoing refit on page 290 of P.C. Coker's book Building Warship Models. The Museum itself may have a better photograph. Again for what it's worth, there are some good photographs of the Dorsetshire's sister, the Norfolk, after her refit, and they may help; one of them is in M.J. Whitley's book Cruisers of World War II: An International Encyclopedia. Good luck! Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Immgb@aol.com Subject: color accuracy I need to accurately a particular ship model (USS Hollister). How can I obtain an accurate photo of the ship at the time my father was aboard? It is important to me, he has recently suffered a stroke and I want to present him with an accurate representation of the ship in which he served. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: JohnVCP@aol.com Subject: 1/1200 kits Re: Note from Dave Hess - I agree, 1/1200 "KITS" would be really nice!! I'm getting tired of 'kit-bashing' metal ship models to get the ship I want - as I am just finishing up the Jap CVL "Ibuki" utilizing a 1/1200 metal "Mogami" hull and detailed info from various reference books. I also built a USN "Cruiser Carrier, using a metal hull of a "Brooklyn" US CL and the drawings in the book "Hybred Warships" - turned out rather neat! I have also built the following: RN "G3" battlecruiser, the RN proposed companion BB, the Jap "Amagi" CC and the Jap "No13" BB; in each case using metal hulls (and parts) of other ship models to 'bash' them together. I really like building models of "never weres" and the off-beat. Current collection of METAL ship models (in 1/1200 and 1/1250) numbers over 1300. Plastic would be easier! It would be great if someone (Hint, hint) would produce a line of 1/1200 scale WW2 warships THAT ARE NOT READILY AVAILABLE by the existing manufacturers; ie., the Russian warships and warships of some of the minor navies that participated. John Heasel St. Clair Shores, MI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Pacific Front Hobbies Subject: Re: Plans for Russian Round Armored ships Lothar Wischmeyer used to publish plans for the Russian round armored ship Novgorod, among other superb plans of mostly 1880-1918 era German naval ships. Last address I have is: Fritz Reuterstr 9 D-49661 Cloppenburg Germany Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies http://www.pacificfront.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Torgeson Roger A Subject: MB Models Phone # Any one have the current phone number for MB Models? I tried calling the number given on the instructions from one of the kits and all I got was the message saying "This number is no longer in service". I have no complaint, just want to spend a little money before the kids college fall tuition gets it all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Grace, Paul" Subject: USS BIRMINGHAM CL-62 or USS COLUMBIA CL-56 WTD I am looking for an old Lindberg model approximately 1/600 scale of Cleveland Class Light Cruisers. Usually they are the USS BIRMINGHAM CL-62 or USS COLUMBIA CL-56. These are in the W.W.II configuration as gun cruisers. I plan on building these kits so "collector" grade would not be desired. PG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume