Subject: SMML26/08/98VOL283 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:08:49 +1000 (EST) shipmodels@wr.com.au --------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://warship.simplenet.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Knots at sea 2: HMS GLASGOW 3: Re:Funnelcaps 4: Re:What DD/FF/CG goes with what carrier when? 5: Re: Funnel caps answer 6: Mystery kit & funnel caps 7: Re: Zulu's Deck Colours 8: Funnel Caps 9: Re Knots 10: Re. Hobby Shop in Miami and Boca Raton 11: Hobby shop in Miami and Boca Raton 12: Airfix lobbying 13: Reporters ignorance -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WTD - KGV series in Warship 2: Re: Trade Annonuncement: 1/350 Fletcher photo-etch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:07:34 -0700 Subject: Knots at sea >> Although the term knots is often expressed as a speed for a ship, this is not exactly true. Knots are really a term for advancement of the ship. <> sea and the wind change and you make less advancement. So at the end of lets say 3 hrs you have advanced at an average of 17 knots, sometimes faster, sometimes slower. << What Tom is referring to is correct, however, at least in the USN is usually refereed to as: speed over "ground"/Speed of advance/or speed made good (take your choice)which as pointed out may be different than the "turns" rung up on the Engine Order Telegraph(EOT). For practical seamanship a nautical mile is usually rounded off to 6,ooo ft. or 2,000 yds. Much easier to work with on the mid watch when that large tanker is bearing down on you, not showing a significant bearing drift, and you need a course speed and closest point of approach (CPA) NOW prior to waking the Captain and maneuvering. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Donna Ogilvie Subject: HMS GLASGOW HI ALL Does anyone know what differ is between the H.M.S. Glasgow and the HMS Shiffeld prior to the Glasgow overhaul in New York -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Foeth" Subject: Re:Funnelcaps Funnelcaps were often used to shield the superstructure from exhaust gasses. The main reason for ships to refit their funnel, or heighten the funnelcap was smoke on the bridgelevels.As for protection, this would be done by heavy steel grids in the armored deck. This grid automatically means a weakening in that deck, but you have to get rid of the exhaust gasses one way or the other. If you were to protect a funnel from planes falling on them, you would get a pretty heavy funnel! Also, to prevent a funnel from collapsing, adding a funnelcap won't solve a problem, only make it worse. Fortunately, funnels are not prone to collapsing. Evert-Jan Foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Les Dorr Jr." Subject: Re: What DD/FF/CG goes with what carrier when? >> Well, if you're doing ENTERPRISE in her original fit, I can tell you that during Vietnam her typical escort was an ADAMS-class DDG... Problem is, of course, that none of these escorts is available in 1/700 or 1/720. << John, just FYI. DML (or somebody) makes an excellent 1:700 Charles F. Adams DDG. My kit is the Cochrane, but includes parts for both twin-arm (thru DDG 14) and single-arm launchers. If you have the time to see if there's a specific Adams-class DDG mentioned, would greatly appreciate the info. Les (RADM, 1:700/720 Pre-Commissioning Units) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Funnel caps answer >> Yet another obvious, yet unanswered question: Why do ships have funnel caps? At first I surmised they must be protective grids to prevent things from falling into the funnel, but from the photos and drawings I've seen, the space between the funnel dividers are large enough for a man to fall into, not to mention smaller debris. My in law suggested their use is to prevent planes from flying down them???(Could be very true in a kamikaze scenario!) So funnel caps must act as strengtheners? Otherwise the funnel would collapse into itself? Or is there yet another untold function? Holding my breath... << Funnel caps have one main purpose. That is to help support the funnel structure at the top. Some funnel caps serve to do nothing more than serve as a support for the canvas covers draped over them when in drydock. But their function is stricktly structural. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: KDur597268@aol.com Subject: Mystery kit & funnel caps Shane suggested it might be Tirpitz because of the amount of boats and AA - so I'm off to the books again! I had taken exactly his advice though, and compared it to the cover photo on an Airfix Bis-model. But I haven't done the same with a Tirp-kit. This IS fun isn't it? It might even cause me to purchase a Tamiya Bismarck.... oh, nooo.... And Jim, I'm going to venture a wild guess and say it is an anti-bomb measure. In certain latitudes it serves to prevent the nesting in the funnel of the Pterodactyl and the Great Roc, too... Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Vimieraa@aol.com Subject: Re: Zulu's Deck Colours Decks are a combination of bare steel and semtex Semtex was a composit trowelled-on material that was of a medium/light tan colour. Areas of decks that were bare steel would be dark grey [507a]. To ascertain the arrangement of the semtex you will need to obtain or view the 'as fitted' plans of the ZULU. Every ship had a slightly different arrangement. In addition the areas of bare steel had a varying pattern of thin steel strips laid down for the purposes of foothold. This information may raise more questions, but I assume that you want to construct a high quality accurate model? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Funnel Caps The purpose for funnel caps was to allow a canvas cover to be placed over the funnel when not in use. Generally this was while in harbor, but not always. Being underway with the boilers lit would generally produce enough updraft and heat to keep rain and spray out, but if the boiler was not lit (as in harbor) a lot of water could be taken down those tubes. Often on the larger ships the stacks were divided intenally to provide seperate uptakes from the different furnaces and there were ladders inside for maintainance (not the most pleasant of duties). Regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "arthur" Subject: Re Knots Back in the days of sail pre Sputnik and any other cosmic hardware, we referred to the 'log' when determining speed and distance covered over the ground. A 'log' or piece of floating wood was tossed over the stern attached to a line with 'knots' tied at predetermined lengths. Being a Pom, 6080 feet was considered a nautical mile, so depending on how many of these 'knots' disappeared over the transom in the given time, it was possible to calculate the speed of the vessel or distance moved over the ground (chart). Later came the triangular shaped log that could be 'tripped' for easier retrieval, then the impeller (propellor shaped torpedo) attached to a shoe on the taffrail and electrically computed. For all that, and the improvements since the days of holding up a a reel of line at arms length, whilst the mate tried to figure out if the chronometer had been wound recently or he had remembered to call 'set' at the correct time, I would go with satnav anytime. The arduous business of hauling in the log again after all the fun had passed is not one of my better memories of my time at sea. BTW, we referred to the difference between the theoretical distance covered over the ground as calculated by the number of revolutions of the screw, and the actual distance covered, as 'slip'. This took into account all the variables such as wind and tide etc. A never ending source of discontent between the black gang and the OOW as to whose math was the more accurate. Recorded from noon to noon, the chief engineer had to justify his utilisation of coal/fuel, and the mate the accuracy of his noon sight.(which was NEVER accurate, being a run up from the dawn star sight). Please forgive any inaccuracies, the memory dims with time. Arthur -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Alberto Rada Subject: Re. Hobby Shop in Miami and Boca Raton Hi In Ft. Lauderdale ( midway between Miami and Boca Raton ) You'll find Warrick Custom Hobbies Very nice shop with lots of models although very few ships Its located at : 1025 S. University Dr. Tel. 954 370 0708 And in Miami you have Orange Blossom , this is very close to the airport, and I believe the biggest hobby shop in Florida, it has quite some stock of ships among tons of other stuff It is located at 1975 NW 36th Street Miami , FL Te. 305 633 2521 SALUDOS Alberto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "ELBERT14" Subject: Hobby shop in Miami and Boca Raton I lived in Miami until last January and have been to most of the hobby stores from Miami up to Boca. Orange Blossom Hobbies is really good. You should find anything you want there. I didn't think any of the other hobby stores were worth going to. I don't remember the address, it will be in the phone book though. It's right off of 112 between the airport and I-95. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Airfix lobbying Hi all, I am encourageing any members of the group to write the address below, in order to lobby Airfix not only to re-release some of their "old" 600 scale ships but also to put some heat on them to try a hand at some new ones. I realise this may be in vain but it is worth a try. Airfix Humbrol Ltd. Marfleet Lane Kingston-Upon-Hull HU9 5NE England Phone # 44-1428-701191 Keith Butterley President&CEO Weak-Eyed and All Thumbs Shipbuilding Co. :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Michael Kear Subject: Reporters ignorance You all salts would have chuckled if you'd have seen the news reports here in Australia recently when that lunatic balloonist attempting a circumnavigation fell into the Pacific and was rescued. On one 60 second report in of our TV network news programs, the reporter referred to knots per hour as the balloon's speed, she said the balloonist was transferred to a tanker, HMNZS Endeavour, while the picture showed a HMAS Hobart, a DDG and not even a similar colour paint to the NZ ship, white practice missiles glistening in the sun, and some background pictures of the crew apparently searching the horizon for the bobbing liferaft, with binoculars, and their crisp white flash hoods, gloves, and even the gun crews closed up. Apparently they were frightened this balloonist was going to attack them with a major weapon of some kind. None of this footage had a reference that it was file footage or anything, the viewers were expected to believe that the reporter had indeed gone to sea with the RNZN to pick up this idiot, when in fact she's probably made a phone call to the RNZN public relations department and then gone to the film library and said 'I need pictures of a navy ship at sea and some footage of navy crew members looking through binoculars." But I guess it fooled some people. Fair winds and following seas, Mike Kear, Webmaster, Task Force 72 Australia 1/72 Scale warship modellers, Australia http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/taskforce72.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "RLOCKIE" Subject: HMS Prince of Wales Further to my previous posting, the KGV series in Warship was in issues 9, 10, 11 and 12. Unfortunately I discover that I only have issue 11 of the four (which covered camouflage) - does anyone out there have the originals or copies of the others available? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Trade Annonuncement: 1/350 Fletcher photo-etch We now have our new 1/350 scale "Early War" 1942-43 Fletcher class destroyer set available. This specific era design allows more parts on the model. Computer designed and etched, there are many parts specific to this era. Realistic droop to the rails, correct length/design DC racks, correct scale cyclone rail netting, superstructure bracing and splinter sheilds are just a few of the parts included in this beautifull set. Razor fine etching and relief etching on all parts. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume