Subject: SMML04/09/98VOL292 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:29:35 +1000 (EST) shipmodels@tac.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: 350 scale beginner kit 2: Ariadne 3: Re: Larger scale kits 4: Flagship Models 5: 1/700 kit of "Kaga?" 6: RE:1/700 Kaga 7: Nuclear task force (SSN575) 8: Re: HMS Ariadne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: NOTE FROM LISTMASTER - Airfix Petition, Nausea, and SMML Rules. 2: Kaga 1/700 - www.navalbasehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: 350 scale beginner kit >> But I think his point is well taken - it's a very "clear" build. I have the GMM set - maybe I'll just go ahead and jump in! I can always build another - but the $70 outlay (kit & PE - that's not counting reference books!) is sobering. It's what makes me want to start with a smaller investment to risk. << You can find the Tamiya Fletcher on sale from some outlets for about $25.00. A good price for a good model. GMM detail set price is fixed ( I assume) as is mine. Try your luck at navismagazine.com's trivia and mystery picture contest. I have donated some stuff as prizes including the Early War Fletcher class destroyer set. you could get lucky. However, anyone who has built ship models will tell you to start on 1/350. The scale is far easier to work with than the tiny 1/700 scale. Your experience with the 1/700 scale ship will not be wasted either. If you can fold and bend PE parts that small to a good fit, 1/350 should be a breeze. Rusty White Flagshio Models Inc. http://warship.simplenet.com/Flagship.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Vimieraa@aol.com Subject: Ariadne I have heard that WR PRESS will be publishing a series of volumes covering Royal Navy camouflage as in World War Two,written by Alan Raven. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Larger scale kits Regarding 1/192 kits, Classic Warships has a 1/192 SIMS-class DD. John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "David P. Judy III" Subject: Flagship Models Rusty! What's it going to take to find out what new models are on the ways! Maybe a little amateur bribery or freindly extortion!! Dave Judy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Paolo Pizzi Subject: 1/700 kit of "Kaga?" Ken Durling wrote: >> Is there/has there ever been a 1/700 kit of "Kaga?" Anyone know where I can acquire one? << Yes, there is the Hasegawa kit but I'm afraid it's been long out of production and it's very hard to find. It's an OK kit, nothing particularly exciting but with a little care it can build into a nice model. I built mine some years ago (as of China coast 1940 with Kates and Claudes on the flight deck) and I remember that the worst thing was the horizontal split of the hull which gave me some trouble to hide. Paolo Pizzi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) Sender: "Duane W. Christensen" Subject: RE:1/700 Kaga Hi Ken! Hasagawa makes a nice 1/700 Kaga. I just got one from Pacific Front. Duane, in Boise ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Nuclear task force (SSN575) >> I'll admit as an ex 575 sailor I have an agenda>> SNIP<< or a Seawolf series SS-197, SSN-575, SSN 21? << Albert- What? You don't want the USS H-1 (Seawolf; SS-28)? Go for a grand slam. I'd like to see a SSN 575 model, myself; already have the SSN-21. So, now that it's all over, can you tell us what the thrusters on the 575 boat were for? Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) Sender: da1v@FRC2.frc.ri.cmu.edu Subject: Re: HMS Ariadne Yunchi: The March 1979 issue of the Airfix magazine has an article on "Royal Navy Fast Minelayers" by Ian Flemming. The article includes a profile of HMS Apollo in 1944 whose camouflage, according to the author, was nearly identical to that of HMS Ariadne, with the exception of a small panel on the portside towards the stern. The author points out that, although the scheme for the Matchbox kit was official, it was never used and replaced by a lighter one which consisted of B15, B30, and B55. Assuming this information is correct (official light camo, late 1943) I believe that HMS Ariadne wore a "1943 Admiralty Light Disruptive Type" scheme (refer to Alan Raven's article in last year's 3rd PSM issue). According to Alan's article the decks should have been painted in G20. I suggest the following Humbrol enamels (as you can imagine these are approximate): B15 (medium-dark blue grey) H157 + a couple of drops of black B30 (medium-light green-yellow grey) H31 B55 (very light green-yellow grey) H23 G20 (medium green-yellow grey) H31 + a few drops of white The 40 mm Bofors were mounted on either side of the aft superstructure. According to Alan Raven's superb book "British Warships of the SWW: A folio of authentic scale plans" the Bofors had the target-tracking radar incorporated in the mounting. Dimi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From : Greg Lee (Listmaster - SMML) Subject : Airfix Petition, Nausea, and SMML Rules. Hi All, Well, I have dreaded this, but due to a few private postings from concerned readers, It seems time to address this matter. So Here goes: Basically, I can't see any reason why "Wishlisting" should be banned from SMML. SMML is a discussion forum, wish lists are all part of discussion. This is like censorship issues of internet in general, my thoughts are hey, you got a scroll button, if you don't like what you see, move along! SMML is for EVERYBODY. Without fail, in a forum with so many readers, not everybody will be interested in every single thread, they should just move on to the next post, Or use the index to select messages that appeal to them, and skip the rest, It really is that simple. There is no need to make a point of your disinterest in a thread. If you are bored with what you are reading, you can always start a thread on something you feel more interested in. There is no limit to the size or the amount of threads we can have in SMML. But attacking a thread tends to make ill feeling between readers, and especially the participants in the thread, who are obviously very much into the particular discussion. E.G. I started this list, and donate three hrs a day, EVERYDAY, to it, but I don't feel I can discuss one of my Favorite subjects (Yamato) here, Is that fair? I understand not everybody is interested in wishlists, knots, Yamato, Flower Class etc... but I am in no way going to "Ban" discussions on certain subjects, because a few are not interested, or because the thread lasts a few weeks, for every one person not interested, there's possibly ten who are. The Airfix Vote taking however, I felt was not suitable for the list, and as most of you saw, this part of the Airfix Petition was CLEARLY made a private matter, and only the results of the petition will be published in SMML. As mediator of the list, I am in a difficult position. I have to consider EVERYBODY on the list, There are a lot more people on the list who are into the Airfix petition than not, and as its not a personal attack on anybody, it is a constructive and positive motion in essence, (no matter how unrealistic some may deem it), it is shipmodel related, therefore I don't feel I can restrict its discussion, or discussion on any other topic for that matter. I hope you see where I am coming from here, If anybody feels the need to challenge my ruling here, you may do so. All you have to do is raise your question on the list, and put it to a vote. Greg (Listmaster - SMML) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Kaga 1/700 - www.navalbasehobbies.com Yes Ken there is a KAGA in 1/700 it is made by Hasegawa but at the present time it is not in supply anywhere in the US. I think it might be out of prod. in Japan also. Hopefully it will be back in soon. Try us at: http://www.navalbasehobbies.com to keep track of it. Thanks shaya@erols.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume