Subject: SMML24/09/98VOL312 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:03:04 +1000 (EST) shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Atlanta kit 2: Re: ARK ROYAL Triple A 3: Re: Photographic film 4: Re: 5" 38 cal. open gun mounts 5: Arizona and painting 6: 5" 38 Caliber Open Mount Photos 7: Re: yet more on the Flowers 8: Re: my post on yet more on Flowers 9: Re: Rusty ship bottoms and museum ships 10: Floquil's Marine colors 11: Re: Waterproof yellow 12: Re: Inspirational Books 13: Re: Waterproof yellow 14: London Model Shops 15: 5"/38 caliber open gun mounts 16: Re:Anti-fouling,hangerdecks,and Japaneese greens 17: Re: Renwal Kits 18: thanks for help on Arizona 19: WWII USN Auxillaries 20: Re: Yet More on the Flowers 21: 1/720 Arizona and Hull Red/Green 22: PE rail frustration 23: Re: London/Greenwich Shops, Ark Royal, Sussex, Grom, J-K-N Camo 24: US 5"/38 open mounts 25: Re: Fletcher 5" turrets 26: Re: Arizona in 1/720 27: 5"/38 drawing request -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: NEW WEM PRODUCTS 2: Aurora Wanderer Whaler Kit 3: Re: Ships for Sale 4: Thinning ship collection... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Sheridan, John" Subject: Re: Atlanta kit Rusty White said: >> I may be prejudiced here and theres no doubt Gulfstream makes a fine kit. << Steve Wiper now owns the Gulfstream molds. None are in production right now but he does plan on re-releasing the kits. He wants to makes some modifications to each model before he re-releases them. We could get Steve to hurry-up and fix the ex-Gulfstream kits, but unfortuately John Frohock has Steve chained to his desk until the USS Salem model (Des Moines Class CA) is completed . >> I don't own one of MBs Atlantas, but I have never seen or built an MB Model that I didn't just love. << I own the BWN USS Oakland (Modified Atlanta). Suffice to say that is truely is a work of art. Mike makes some of the cleanest castings in the business. >> Including the new Yorktown "cooooooooool". Take it fir what it's worth. << I'm planning on getting USS Enterprise in the near future. That Brass deck is simply beautiful. John Sheridan @ Microscale Decals http://www.microscale.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Les Pickstock (Les Pickstock) Subject: Re: ARK ROYAL Triple A If my memory serves the ARK's AA armament consisted of 4 8 barrelled pom-poms and 4 4 barrelled 0.5 inch m.g.s The Pom-Poms (the so-called "Chicago piano") were fitted fore and aft of the Island on the same center line. The quad Vickers were fitted at the bow and stern either side of the flight deck. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Photographic film I'm not a photographer, but I was told by a professional photographer that due to the very chemical composition of film it's not possible to get a perfect match of green and blues. What most developers do (according to this guy) is to find a happy medium so all the colors "balance" well. So don't rely too heavily on color photos for actual color matches. Especially photo taken when color photography was in its infancy. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: 5" 38 cal. open gun mounts >> Does anyone have any idea where I can find a couple of detailed photos or line drawings of the 5"/ 38 caliber open gun mount as carried on WW2 auxiliary ships of the US Navy? Don't have to be super-detailed, as it's for a 1:400 model. << Check out Floating Dry-dock. They have a number of "ordinance pamphlets" for sale at a reasonable price. I have two of them and they are just perfect for modelers. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Tomcat" Subject: Arizona and painting Thank you all for your help regarding USS Arizona and the indoor painting. I'll be off to purchase an airbrush and build myself some kind of paintbox. Shortly, I'll be ready to repaint my kitchen table in a suitable camo measure :-). BTW If you don't hear from me within a week or so, this probably means that my wife has put me and my air brush(and the computer as well) on the street, leaving me exposed to the lovely Swedish weather. Hmmm, maybe should think twice about camo painting the kitchen table.... Fredrik Tholander -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Rob Mackie" Subject: 5" 38 Caliber Open Mount Photos >> Does anyone have any idea where I can find a couple of detailed photos or line drawings of the 5"/ 38 caliber open gun mount as carried on WW2 auxiliary ships of the U.S. Navy? Don't have to be super-detailed, as it's for a 1:400 model. << Take a look at the photo tour of the Liberty Ship Jeremiah O'Brien on the Warship site: http://warship.simplenet.com There are three very clear photos of the open mount 5" 38 in the photo gallery portion of the tour: http://warship.simplenet.com/libgalle.htm Rob Mackie Warship http://warship.simplenet.com Way Cool -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Jeffrey Roberts" Subject: Re: yet more on the Flowers Per Mike Leonard's post, no Flower class corvettes were manned by the Free Polish Forces. Among the rest of the Allied navies six were Norwegian manned, eight were manned by the Free French, one by the Dutch, and four by the Greeks. I am not aware of any references specifically geared towards Flowers serving outside British and Dominion navies. Since one of my 'future' projects is going to be the Dutch-manned Flower Hr Ms Friso (ex HMS Carnation) I'd like to know of any additional references myself. Jeffrey Roberts North Hollywood CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Jeffrey Roberts" Subject: Re: my post on yet more on Flowers I just noticed an omission on my post of Allied Flower class corvette transfers: HMS Mallow was transferred in 1944 to the Yugoslavs as the Nada. Sorry for the incomplete earlier post. Jeffrey Roberts North Hollywood CA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: Rusty ship bottoms and museum ships Ben wrote of HMCS Haida: >> ... the situation below the waterline is far more serious. Recent surveys indicate that the anti-fouling is completely gone, heavy surface rust is prevalent and algae growth is extensive. However, ... ultrasound mappings taken below said waterline revealed that in some spot hull plates are so rotted that the have fallen below _half_ their original thickness. The ship need drydock time to repalce said hull plates, scrape rust and algea and put on new anti-fouling. The situation may not be urgent yet, but requires attention. 5 million $(Cdn, IIRC) are required for this and funds are slowly being raised << and "Mike Leonard" wrote: >> A problem for many if not most of the preserved warships today. I recall reading that USS Olympia> is in sad shape, especially where it can't be seen, being over 100 years old. We can expect the many WW2-era ships to rot away unless some action is taken. There has been an effort to get USS Massachusetts into drydock for a number of years but it always comes back to "So who's going to pay for it?" Governments are generally loathe to find funding to rehabilitate a museum ship, as they risk offending a few taxpayers. Ironic, to, may be the fact that thousands of people are walking through and touching the old ships every year, contributing to the problem. << Fortunately for the USS Massachusetts and the USS Salem, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts had a HUGE buget surplus in the last fiscal year. Many hundreds of millions of dollars of 'pet project' type bills were put before the House and Senate to spend that money. One of these 'riders' was a one-time request for $12 million for the USS Massachusetts and $2 million for the USS Salem. When the new budget and spending bills went before the acting Governor there were many days of waiting to see if the money would survive the Guv's line item veto. Fortunately this paragraph survived while most of the others did not. I don't know much about Battleship Cove's plans for the money other than dry docking and repairing Big Mamie's hull, but that might take the whole $12 million. The USNSM would like to get SALEM's teak deck repaired, hull stripped and repainted (no repairs necessary), electrical system and heating system improvements, new mens and womens heads in the stern, and better access to the ship itself (16 foot tides; the brow is at 30+ degrees at *low* tide.) What can actually be accomplished for $2 million remains to be seen. It really is not a lot of money. For anyone that is interested, Mass. Heavy Industries is making progress in their attempt to revive the Fore River Shipyard. Major construction is underway on the very large addition to the old main assembly building. This complex will hold the ultra modern robotic ship assembly equipment that has been delivered from South Korea. Cranes have been, and are undergoing renovaton, and work should be underway on at least one of the dry docks, which will be used to assemble the modules into a double hull tanker. They are also going to renovate Goliath, which was the second largest crane in the world when it was built. It was designed to lift whole spherical LNG tanks from a barge and put them into the LNG tanker hull. Entire superstructures were also lifted into place. Goliath will be used to move the prefabbed assemblies from the 'factory' to the dry dock. I think its capacity was around 1200 to 1500 tons. The new company won't be lifting anything that heavy. Larry Ouellette Quincy, Massachusetts, USA Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139), U.S. Naval & Shipbuilding Museum http://www.uss-salem.org/ See website for USS Salem model information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: KelDQ@aol.com Subject: Floquil's Marine colors The owner of my local hobby shop informed me today that Testor's has bought the complete line of the Floquil laquer based marine colors, and they are going to DISCONTINUE it! It is rumoured that they will come out with a line of marine colors themselves, but it will not be as complete as the Floquil line, and they don't know if it will be in acrylics or enamels. So, if any of you are partial to this line of paints, I would stock up on it now, I know I'm going to! Kelly Quirk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Foeth" Subject: Re: Waterproof yellow If yellow was applied, it would have been applied to both the primary and secondary turrettops. The statement by the survivors says that the yellow was washed of in the heavy seas. Although this is slightly probable for the no1-4 turrets, I doubt it much of the green water would reach no5-6 turrets, even with the 2/3 degree negative trim. As for the yellow being a very visible color, I think that was the point. Bismarck was almost within Luftwaffe range, and most people are quite bad at ship recognition, especially with the air-arm (with ships). I recall a small story told by a US tanker, desert storm, who was all to willing to shoot everthing he saw, including friendly forces. Fortunately, he had a gunner who was a modelbuilder, recognising the targetted vehicles (Never thought it possible that this hobby could be actually usefull) Painting them very yellow might help the LW pilots. With over 2000 crewmen, there are always some people available to paint. Afterall, that is what they do most of their time anyway. BTW, a cofferdam is an empty room usually used in the double bottom, as a 'buffer' for leakages. These kofferdams are prescribed by the rules (Loyds, American Bureau of Shiping, Det Norske Veritas, etc) around Freshwater tanks etc. In a warship, such a room would be called a Water Tight Compartement (WTC), or a Floodable Compartement (FLC), although it is doing the same thing: being watertight. Bismarck was hit above the waterline (Under the bowwave) in compartements XX and XXI, which flooded. About 2000 tons of water entered the ship, forcing fuel out of the tanks. Although trimming the ship backwards was recommended to give the damage control parties better working conditions, the Bismarck sailed on, because a decrease inspeed was unaffordable at this time. Evert-Jan Foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Mr J Owen" Subject: Re: Inspirational Books I can strongly recommend, 'Very Ordinary Seaman' by J.W.P.Mallieu; long out of print but available through public libraries. Jim Owen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Airfix Update Hello All, its me again. First of all, let me say that Airfix sent a reply to my letter asking them to revive the 1/600 ship line. The letter reads as follows: >> RE: 1:600 AIRFIX SHIPS Thank you for your letter dates 27th August 1998 regarding the above. We are very grateful to you to taking the time to write with your suggestions for further kits. I have passed this information on to our Marketing Department for them to add the kits to our 'wish list'. The management team have the difficult job of deciding what comes out of Airfix next, however I must point out that is costs, on average, 1000.00 pounds per part for a new mould tool. Therefore, if a ship had 124 parts to its construction the company would need to invest 124,000.00 pounds simply for the moulding tool. Then would come the cost of instructions, packaging printing and decals if necessary. I trust this information is to your satisfaction, should you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me. Yours sincerely, Mrs. L C Wilkinson Customer Services Administrator << So at least I received a cordial definite maybe but not very likely from them. As far as the voting - 23 voters to date Leaders - new HMS Renown 9 votes, HMS Invincible 8 votes old HMS Hood 9 votes. I am going to have to extend the deadline from 9/30 to 10/5 since I will be out of my office the latter part of next week and I am doing this during my lunch hours. So there is still time to send in those votes. Thanks Felix Bustelo - Patron of Long Shots -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: CHRIS DRAGE Subject: London Model Shops Hi All, Re Model shops in and around London. You've got to try The Harrow Model Shop, Station Road, Harrow. They are primarily into model railways but have a huge plastic model section where you will find many injection moulded kits including a reasonable ships section. They are excellent for all the bits 'n bobs that modellers requiire. Hope this info helps. Regards, Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Duane Fowler Subject: 5"/38 caliber open gun mounts Hello Doug, There are some very good drawings of the 5"/38 caliber open gun mounts in "Anatomy of the Ship: the Destroyer Campbelltown. Regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Donna Ogilvie Subject: Re: Anti-fouling,hangerdecks,and Japaneese greens Hi Guys: 1 The green color on the USS America is most likely from one of the following causes: a. "grass" if she had been underway for a long period of time in warm water without a hull cleaning she would have a considerable amount of growth up to her boot toping. b. The longer a ship is in the water the duller and finally greener her hull appears. While I was the E Div. Officer / Engineering Training Officer on Kitty Hawk(which had a red anti fouling paint as did the 3 other USN ships I was on) I noticed a distinct shift in color from the time we deployed to our return 8 mo.later. Most of our time was spent in the Indian Ocean (Iran Crisis) and some in the South pacific. I suspect the cause is partly biologics that in water hull cleaning can't get rid of and a thinning of the "red paint" allowing the primer to show through. The primer which is applied before the red is a light green, about the color of Squadron green putty. c. part of an early experiment with a green oxide paint. While I was on active duty (79-90)I herd there was an experiment with a green paint, though I never saw a ship with it. I also heard that it was about the same color as the epoxy paint. 2. Hanger bay colors for modern Aircraft Carriers : White bulkheads and overheads and nonskid deck (Slightly darker and falter than deck Gray. On W.W.II carriers I suspect that it would have been the same except the deck would most likely have been deck blue. 3. More on the Japanese Greens later, I'm out of time for now. Greg Ogilvie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Renwal Kits Roger wrote (of the NC): >> The kit seems to be short on antiaircraft guns for an accurate WWII display. << Most likely it was simplified, or due to the presence of the helo, represents a postwar configuration. That would seem odd, given that the ship went out of service in 1947. >> But the hull seems too flat on the keel (so that it fits in the box?). << I wish somebody could explain why nearly all those ship models from the 50s and 60s had such flat bottoms! I know I've seen another NC model by Revell or maybe it was Monogram. Not sure of the scale, but it was far less appealing than the original Renwal kit. The Renwal ships all had the same distinctive type stand: sort of a ball-shaped thing on a small pedestal. >> I'd like to have the rest of Renwal's S Series in 1:500: S-600 USS Shangri-La Carrier 38 S-602 USS Springfield Cruiser S-603 USS King Destroyer However, I know that these are individually rare and even more so as a set. << Definitely rare if original Renwal kits. Have not seen Shangri-La in many years. Springfield was reissued by Revell in the 80s. Not terribly accurate as it has two missile launchers when it should have only one, among other things. Despite calling them "Blueprint Models", the Renwal ships varied in accuracy. For example, the DLG series is pretty close to the Mitscher class ships but not even remotely what they were supposed to be. Wooden decks! The Farragut, Dewey, and King were part of an entirely different design. Interestingly, at a flea market for plastic modelers not long ago there was a partial, bagged Renwal kit for sale and I was curious enough to get it. It was called "Combat Fleet" and is some odd little scale (1:1000 or maybe 1:1500). The Fletcher class destroyer is only a couple of inches long and consists of about 10 parts. The instructions that showed about 18 ships in all. A real variety, from a carrier to an SSBN and even a cargo transport. Very representative of the USN in the early 60s. Most of the ships are missing and what is left is an angled deck Essex class CV or CVS, the Fletcher DD in WW2 layout, and a Lafayette class Polaris sub. The original set had a huge base into which all these ships could be set to be show steaming in a huge formation. A fascinating set if one could find it in complete condition. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Denis G. Campbell" Subject: thanks for help on Arizona My thanks to all who answered my querry about the decks on USS Arizona. I think the choice lies between trying to give the impression of wooden decks by drybrushing or scratchbuilding a new deck with evergreen scribed sheet. I think I'll go with drybrushing as there are too many deck structures (and the base of the boat deck) molded on to the kit deck - would have to remove and replace all these on the new deck. BTW Greg, there IS a Revell 1/720 Arizona - I just bought it at a regular Hobby Shop, not at a swap meet or anything. I don't know whether it is new or a reissue of an oldie but it's out there. Denis Campbell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Rob & Heather Weilacher Subject: WWII USN Auxillaries Friends, Looking at the offerings of USN WWII Auxillaries by various resin manufacturers I have seen oilers, seaplane tenders, destroyer tenders and amphib. assault ships. I see that there are apparently not submarine tenders offered. Why is this - not enough reference to create one (I know of NO books dealing with WWII USN Auxillaries), no interest, or impractical (technically) to create a good mold ? Also, has anyone built an oiler, destroyer tender, or seaplane tender? I've been intersted in building one of the above in the near future, and would like a recommendation (also any leads on reference material). Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Bj�rn B�cklund" Subject: Re: Yet More on the Flowers >> most of my references are for Canadian and British Flower class. I believe there were some crewed by the Free French and Norwegians, << Is this right? Living next door to Norway and building an Flower class, I would like to build it as an Norwegian crew ship. Is there any information floating around for such a ship? Bj�rn B�cklund, Sweden -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Mark Knowlton Subject: 1/720 Arizona and Hull Red/Green I built the 1/720 Arizona by Revell as the Pennsylvania 1945. I used Evergreen Boxcar siding to redo the featurless decks. I just cut out the siding using the kit decks as a master and added both kit and scratchbuilt details. Some people will argue that in 1/700, scribed decks would be out of scale but I like it. As far as the mystery Hull green goes, all USN surface ships are painted hull red below the waterline, it's just that exposure to salt water and marine growth change the color to green. I was on two ships that went into drydock with a green hull and came out red. Mark Knowlton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Keith Butterley Subject: PE rail frustration Hi all, OK I give up. How do you get the rail around the stern of a ship and make it look right? It seems I either get the right bend, but not the right angle to line up with the nice straight rails or the opposite, I can line it up with the adjoining rail unfortunately it is at an angle better suited to a diving board rather than a fence. Although I have been building ships for four years now, the Deutchland is my first PE ship. Further to the Bismarck yellow turret thread, I found a colour picture reproduced from the German war time magazine "Signal". It was taken in 1943 mind you, but it is from a destroyer looking at the Tirpitz and the destroyers turret tops are yellow. Doesn't prove anything, but might be of some interest for anybody modelling KM destroyers circa 1943. Keith Butterley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: London/Greenwich Shops, Ark Royal, Sussex, Grom, J-K-N Camo Hi Everyone, Regarding London area hobby shops, "Maritime Models" on Nelson Road in Greenwich has an excellent stock of ship models, plastic and otherwise, as you'd expect from its name. Just down the street is "Anthony Simmonds," one of the best nautical bookshops anywhere. Greeenwich is a short train ride from Charing Cross Station in London, and Greenwich is worth the visit anyway. As for the paint scheme of the Ark Royal at the time she was sunk, there is some very brief color footage of her shortly before she was sunk in the Naval Video Time Capsule episode "Colour Camera at Sea WWII" (which also has some cool color footage of her on an earlier date in a nice 507B paint job). In the footage taken shortly before she was sunk, the lower part of the hull (above the waterline, that is) seems to me to be a medium color like 507B or MS3 (gray-green), and above that seems to be a light gray like 507C or maybe MS4A (light gray green). The lower part seems relatively freshly painted, but the upper part is a mess, which I take for a very weathered paint job instead of an intentional pattern of some sort. You should know that Randy Short (who knows his camouflage) disagrees completely with the my read on the colors she wore. On the Ark Royal's armament, she was completed without the two portside pom-poms, but these were added sometime before she was lost in November 1941. I read in one of the early Lenton & Colledge books that she had 8 20mm guns added, but I'm not sure I believe that. Anyone know what the latest Lenton book on British warships of WWII says about her armament? On the Sussex's late 1942 camouflage pattern, I haven't seen any photographs of the pattern on her starboard side, but the book Man O War No. 1 on the County class cruisers by Alan Raven & John Roberts has a schematic showing the starboard side pattern (and listing the colors as 507A, B5, and 507C). On the Mirage Grom, I have started the kit of the 1940 version of the ship (the other version made by Mirage is of her as built in 1938 with a prominent funnel cap and a searchlight platform above the bridge), but haven't gotten beyond joining the hull halves. It seems accurate enough, but I haven't done much comparison with the meager plans I have (mainly in the article in Volume 1 of Warship). I'm not sure the bridge is accurate, but I need to study it more to be sure. One strange thing about the kit is that the deck forward of the break in the foc'sle is glued onto top of the hull halves, and the deck aft of the break fits within the hull halves (as with most plastic ship models with hull halves you have to glue together), if that makes any sense. As for the painting of the Grom, the 1939 photographs of the Grom in the Warship article seem to show her in a dark gray; there is also some brief video footage of her taken just (minutes) before she was sunk in one of the Naval Video Time Capsules, but I can't remember which one; she was in a medium or dark gray paint job and I think she had a false bow wave. On one last topic, I've read with interest the posts about the camouflage pattern for the Javelin. Does anyone have any good information on some of the two-color camouflage patterns for other members of the J, K and N class destroyers? I think the Kashmir (among others) was never painted up in a pattern, and the three-color pattern for the Jupiter (shown in one of Alan Raven's articles in PSM) is more complex than I'd like to tackle right now. Any help would be appreciated. Sorry to be so verbose, but there is so much interesting stuff to talk about on the list these days. Great job, Greg! Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "RLOCKIE" Subject: US 5"/38 open mounts Doug, US Naval Weapons by Norman Friedman, published by Conway, has some good drawings. It covers the Mk.24 Mod.6, Mk.30 Mod.8, Mk.30 Mod.33, Mk.30 Mod.48 and Mk.30 Mod.51. All are two view (plan and one elevation) apart from the 30/48 (4 view) and the 30/33 (5 view). There is one photograph but not too much detail is visible. However, I have a set of half a dozen shots (I forget which version but in 1/400, will it matter?) that I took last year while visiting USS Alabama, where they have one set up on the shore. I can try scanning them if it would be of help. Robert Lockie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: khglam@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: Fletcher 5" turrets >> The references to "knuckles" in the turrets of the FLETCHER class 5"-38s pertain to small differences in the two turrets that were on the main deck. These were right below the muzzles of the guns above and the roofs of the lower turret were re-enforced to prevent blast damage. The main re-enforcemnt was internal but an extra "facet" was included in the roof structure. This is difficult to describe but is obvious in photos. I tried to reproduce this using the "spare" turret given in the Tamiya kit but found it impossible to get it right. The nearest I could come was to carefully sand or file a "flat" on the angled joint between to roof plate and the angled front of the roof. This "flat" follows the rounded edge of the roof, tapering slightly until it reaches the top of the side plate. I wasn't happy enough with result to put it on the model but perhaps someone with more paitience can get it right. << The USS Aaron Ward kit and presumably, other Bensen/Fletcher class DD's from Blue Water Navy comes with both versions of the 5" mounts. Two mounts have the extra knuckles, and two do not. You can probably buy these mounts from BWN for your Fletchers. Chung -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Mark Seitz Subject: Re: Arizona in 1/720 Dear Greg, I can confirm that Revell produced an Arizona in 1/720, as well as the same kit marketed as Pennsylvania. The kits appear to be scaled down versions of the larger, with all the same errors. I have one sitting in the "Build Someday" pile. I think Revell produced a number of kits in that scale, as I also have a Massachusetts. The kits are not that good, but do give the builder the option of full hull or waterline. Regards, Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: 5"/38 drawing request to all SMMLies: An excellent reference on US Naval ordnance is Friedman's US NAVAL WEAPONS. (Conway Maritme Press). It has line drawings and/or photos of most of the Navys weapons from the 1900's on. It has drawings of the 5"/38 open mount (various Marks) as well as the closed mount. -- Heck, we might even be able to resolve the thread about the different 5"/38 enclosures on the Fletcher class. to Doug Bauer: If you don't have access to this reference, contact me off the list. I'd be happy to scan a couple of the drawings and send them to you. Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: NEW WEM PRODUCTS Well, after following threads and discussions on SMML, and thanks to some of the SMMLlies out there who voted with their feet by advance ordering, re. aircraft sets in 1/400 and 1/500 Scale, we have now finalised the first of the new line-up: FLIGHTDECK 500 1/500 Scale WEM FD501 1/500 Dauntless WEM FD502 1/500 Avenger WEM FD503 1/500 Wildcat WEM FD504 1/500 Devastator WEM FD505 1/500 Hellcat The EXACT price for 2-in-a-bag and no photoetch is not confirmed..however, we think around 4.50 pounds, or $7.00 per bag. Also, in 1/400 Scale (Thanks Joe!!), we are pleased to announce a new line-up of 1/400 Scale aircraft.. these will be around the 5.500 pounds mark... or $8.50 mark. FLIGHTDECK 400 1/400 Scale WEM FD 401 1/400 GRUMMAN S2F Tracker ASW Hunter-Killer aircraft WEM FD 402 1/400 GRUMMAN E1-B Tracer WEM FD 403 1/400 Douglas AD Skywarrior (x2) Depending on how well this range goes, we will consider expansion of these 2 lines. Released today, two new photoetched brass sets for the 1/700 Scale modeller. WEM PE 728 1/700 Imperial Japanese Navy Anti-aircraft Weapons at 3.36 pounds (around $5.00). This contains: 10xTwin 13mm, 20 x Single 25mm, 20 x Twin 25mm, 20 x Triple 20mm mountings, 6 x Vickers 40mm, 10 x Single Lewis Guns Click on link: http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/ijnweap.jpg Also, WEM PE 726 1/700 Twin 20mm manually operated oerlikons (x25) at: 2.51 pounds (around $4.00) Click on link: http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/twinoerl.jpg Neither set is recommended for the inexperienced modeller!! If anyone would like full price lists mailed to them, just shout. Cheers Caroline and Dave Carter White Ensign Models, Gardeners Cottage, Cowarne Court, Lower Eggleton, Ledbury, Herefordshire, HR8 2UF, U.K. Tel: 01432 820403 Fax: 01432 820830 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Aurora Wanderer Whaler Kit I remember seeing a request from someone a couple of months ago, from a fellow who was looking for a copy of the old WANDERER whaling ship kit. (I don't remember which list I saw it on-- I'm on more than one.) I have a copy of the kit I am selling on E-bay. Auction closes on 30 Sept. Here's the URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=32022878 Bill Bill and Kaja Michaels -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Ships for Sale Time to clear some space in my closet.... I have the following kits for sale: 1/600 Airfix Manxman: $22.00 plus shipping 1/600 Airfix Renown: $22.00 plus shipping 1/350 Tamiya King George V: $65.00 plus shipping Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Dave Pluth Subject: Thinning ship collection... All the stuff below is 700th scale. Everything is in very good condition, a bunch of it has never been opened. Shipping is $3 for the first kit and $.50 for each after. Aoshima 1484 Aircraft Carrier Hiryu $18.00 1485 Aircraft Carrier Soryu $18.00 C079 IJN Light Cruiser Kashima $9.00 Fujimi WL.D045 Destroyer Sakura $5.00 Hasegawa 43202 Aircraft Carrier Kaga $21.00 WL-A031 Aircraft Carrier Akagi $21.00 WL-D048 Navy Destroyer Hayanami $5.00 Tamiya 77510 Aircraft Carrier Hornet $15.00 77076 Aircraft Carrier Junyo $21.00 77034 Destroyer Harusame $5.00 77052 Destroyer Hibiki $5.00 31429 Destroyer Sakura $5.00 77053 Destroyer Shikinami $5.00 77003 IJN Heavy Cruiser Suzuya $11.00 77058 IJN Light Cruiser Agano $8.50 31323 IJN Light Cruiser Isuzu $8.50 31321 IJN Light Cruiser Kinu $8.50 77104 IJN Light Cruiser Kiso w/base $11.00 31322 IJN Light Cruiser Nagara $8.50 31320 IJN Light Cruiser Natori $8.50 77084 IJN Light Cruiser Tama $8.50 77315 IJN Light Cruiser Yahagi $8.50 31511 Japanese Naval Planes $5.00 Dave Japanese Aircraft & Ship Modeling Web Page http://www.j-aircraft.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume