Subject SMML06/10/98VOL324 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:46:06 +1000 (EST) shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: WEM IJN gunset review 2: Copyright and copied plastic parts 3: Tamiya 1/350 aircraft 4: rigging for WW II ships 5: Re: Making resin masters 6: US fast battleships 7: Bismarck Turret Controversy Revisited 8: Re: questions for the group 9: Re: Fast Battleships 10: Re: Fast Battleships 11: Re: Fast Battleships 12: Re: Carrier aircraft 13: weathering the kgv 14: On the Lindberg LSD 15: Swedish cruiser Tre Kronor 16: Yamato Plane Recovery 17: 350th Aircraft 18: Sinking of "Marat" 19: Re: Fast Battleships 20: Britannic Stripes 21: Liberty Models 22: Re: AA on Ark Royal 23: Renwal kits, Ark Royal. 24: Tamiya 1/350 A/c 25: 1/96 scale Bisrmarck 26: Re: Copyright redux 27: 1/350 Seawolf USN Submarine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Models Wanted/Models Available! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: JGordon262@aol.com Subject: WEM IJN gunset review The poor quality of 1/700 scale antiaircraft guns has been a weakness that shipmodelers have suffered since these kits were produced in the 70's. For IJN buffs, at least Skywave improved the situation with their IJN sets that included better molded plastic guns. But with the advent of ever better photoetched railing, catapults, radars, etc, even these guns glare their overscale, generic details. However, when that is the best there is, it works ok because nothing better is expected. I've tried scratchbuilding these guns with varied success, but they still turned out overscale. So when I heard that PE AA guns were on the horizon, I got really excited because I could see this would be the Next Big Thing. I've been awaiting the release of White Ensign's Imperial Japanese Navy PhotoEtched gunset in 1/700 since I perused their booth at the 98 Nats this summer. On display there was their very impressive Royal Navy PE gunset, and although the IJN set was not in production yet, I figured the quality would be comparable. The WEM IJN set includes triple,double, and single AA guns of various small calibre and make. I just received their set this week and eagerly layed it out under magnification. It more than met my expectations- the thinness of the brass is remarkable, and, certain parts such as the trunnion are relief etched as well! I can't say for sure, but it seems as if the brass parts actually vary in thickness, the gun barrels being the thinnest, and the trunnions thicker. Also included are etched baseplate,gunner's seats, sighting rings, elevation wheels, training column, foot pedals, and ammo clips. This sheet is a delight to look at, but how would it build? I've only built up two of the 25mm triple AA guns so far, so I can't speak for the other gun configurations on this sheet. The instructions are basic and easy to follow, but it takes some time to examine the brass sheet to determine what the parts are from the sprue- I could not find the gun barrels for quite awhile- I thought they were brass sprue! These will require EXACT trimming from the sheet. The trunnion assembly is the main piece, and folds easily with needlenose tweezers. (It goes without saying that I use a magnifyer/lamp for this work) Little attached parts such as seats and wheels are bent into place, then the trunnion is glued to the circular base. The guns are designed in two parts, a single middle gun, and two attached outer guns. The outer guns have a center support that glues to the trunnion. Here is where we run into a problem. The face of the trunnion angles downward, and when the guns are mounted to it, they are aiming at the deck! The instructions advise bending the guns upward to mitigate this problem. I found this advice unworkable- the end result is the barrels point up while the breechs angle down-this looks bassackwards. And it is hard to bend without warping the piece so I straightened the part and tried a different tack. I changed the angle of the trunnion on the base, and angled up the gun support to compensate, and this worked, but it doesn't look entirely proper. On the second assembly, I think I solved the problem and achieved a very proper gun. The upper trunnion cross piece is the problem, and if it is removed, the triple gun fits into the trunnion top where it should be. I used cuticle scissors to cut out this piece after the trunnion was securely glued to the base. This is a very easy thing to do and does not effect the strength of the part(. The gun now fits neatly in, not on, the trunnion and looks as it should. And there it is- now that's a VERY COOL triple AA gun! I just sat there marveling at it. It's that good. I've been waiting years for someone to produce these parts, and its very satisfying to finally have a solution for the bad AA gun problem. It's hard to convey what a quantum leap in detail these parts deliver. Their accuracy is very good compared to drawings in Skulski's Anatomy of Yamato. It's worth the forty five minutes or so it takes to make one (a straight one!) although with practice I should get it down to 30- minutes? WEM is quite frank when they state that these parts are for experienced modelers only. My prediction is that no serious contest modeler will dare show an IJN model with plastic AA guns from now on. WEM has raised the bar that high. JG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Gene Larson Subject: Copyright and copied plastic parts I fully agree with the statements about not copying manufacturer's fittings for resale. I have copied parts from a kit when I have not liked the material. For example, after purchase I discovered that a large tug kit had 800 white metal fittings that contained 52% lead. I will not use a fitting with any lead in it. I duplicated the fittings or improved them by using stock plastic, wood, Corian, and brass. In some cases where there were a lot of duplicate parts I used the newly made fitting as a master for casting. A few fittings I molded directly from the kit parts and made resin castings. I have no problem with this, and I believe it is proper. However, I should not sell any of these products. Probably should not give away any fittings or the molds either. Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia mailto:genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "RLOCKIE" Subject: Tamiya 1/350 aircraft Caroline, I have never had the space to contemplate acquiring the 1/350 Enterprise but I did get hold of the aircraft sets a few years ago. There are two sets, although I fail to recall which aircraft were in which sets. The aircraft, as I recall, were F-14s, E-2Cs, EA-6s, A-6s, A-7s, F/A-18s, S-3s and SH-3s. There were definitely no Jolly Green variants. Sounds like a good idea though. See you at Telford Robert Lockie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: valiant@home.com Subject: rigging for WW II ships hello eveyone i just picked up the tamiya 1/350 flecther class for $30 canadian. (up here thats way cheap). anywho, being very new to ship modeling i want to know what you recomend for rigging? and more importantly, whats the best currently aviable reference? i plan to add gold medals models PE, but rigging would be the icing on the cake. also, does anybody know of a canadian mail order house that carries resin ship kits of any kind in 1/350th? thanks Aaron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Making resin masters >> 1. How are resin masters made? Are they scratch built out of wood, plastic or machined out of aluminum? 2. Does anybody know of any references available, either on the Internet or books? << I've been getting quite an education recently concerning this. I'm finishing up on the masters to my first kit and the help I have been given from people in the industry has been very gratifying. Steve Wiper at Classic Warships gave me a lot of pointers about the business before I started. You can make masters from almost any material as long as the finished product is very smooth and clean. Steve told me he made all of his hulls and superstructure parts from wood. Once sanded to shape, He would then smear the entire part with super glue and sand it smooth. This would leave an extremely smooth surface on the wood part which would then accept smaller plastic or metal details glued to it. I tried this on my larger kit parts and it works extremely well. The rest of the parts were created from plastic or metal. As far as I know there are no books on the subject of building masters but I plan to do an in depth article in Navismagazine.com and I will submit it to FSM as well in the near future. Lots more pictures will be available on Navis since they have no restrictions on the length of the article. Just my two cents worth. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "RLOCKIE" Subject: US fast battleships I have the Aoshima North Carolina and according to the FD plans I have, the turrets need about 1mm adding to their front face. I think the rangefinder housings need replacing too. Cannot comment on the Fujimi or Hasegawa kits as I do not own any. Although I cannot offer an overhead view of it, I do have a load of photographs which I took on the Alabama last year (rather pleased not to be there last month, going by the weather reports) of various bits. I was looking primarily at quad 40mm mounts but did photograph the other parts of the upper decks as well. Let me know if there are any areas of interest and I will attempt to master our scanner..... Robert Lockie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Whitney, Floyd - MAJ" Subject: Bismarck Turret Controversy Revisited I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I thought I would share with you something I saw recently. While leafing through a recent issue of Naval History magazine, I saw an ad for some naval prints by Mark Churms. Among the offerings is a print of Bismarck loading ammunition for her sortie into the Atlantic. Those turret tops are clearly yellow in that print. Maybe an email to Mr. Churms at markchurms@aol.com is in order for those of you who are really excited by this question. Floyd Whitney -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: questions for the group >> 1. How are resin masters made? Are they scratchbuilt out of wood, plastic or machined out of aluminum? << Resin masters are made out of whatever you want to use. Because RTV silicone does not generate any heat when curing, you can use just about any medium you want without worrying about damaging the master. The master for my HO Sardine Carrier has a carved basswood hull, 1/64" plywood bulkheads, scribed plastic decks, styrene-sheathed pilothouse, and styrene details. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Sheridan, John" Subject: Re: Fast Battleships >> What was the U.S.S. South Dakota's camo scheme? A book I glanced at said measure 22 throughout the war (Haze Gray with Navy Blue up to the lowest deck point and 20-B on the decks). Pictures I have seen don't appear to show the Navy Blue, just overall Haze Gray??? << USS South Dakota wore MS12 from her commisioning till her pounding at Guadalcanal (Nov 13th). She came out of repair in 1943 wearing MS21 (Solid Navy Blue) and kept this scheme till the end of the war. She was probally painted MS13 (Haze Gray) right before she was decommissioned in 1947. I'm building the BWN USS Massachusetts in 1/350th right now and she wore MS12 from 1942 till 1943. She was then painted MS22 and kept it till 1947. She was painted MS13 and placed in reserve in 1947. She is still painted in MS13 scheme today as a Museum ship. There are alot of differences between the USS Massachusetts and USS South Dakota. Most of the changes are in the Superstructure area; specifically the 03 and 04 levels. Also, If you are starting with a USS South Dakota kit and want to build any of the other ships of the class, you will need to add another 5" gun to each side of the ship. You will have to modify the 02 level to accomodate the gun and it's base. FYI, The USS Massachusetts is going into drydock probally in November at South Boston. She is due for repainting and renovation of the hull which has not seen a drydock since 1952. I believe she is also due to be painted. I don't know if she is going to get Haze Gray again or will be painted in her wartime MS22. When she goes into drydock, I will be there with my camera to photograph it. It is not every day you see a South Dakota Class Battleship out of the water . John Sheridan @ Microscale Decals http://www.microscale.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Fast Battleships Unlike many other US ships that wore several camouflage schemes during the course of the war, SOUTH DAKOTA wore only one: Measure 21--Navy Blue (5-N) on all vertical surfaces, with Deck Blue (20-B) on all horizontal surfaces. John Snyder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: KoopmaFS@utrc.utc.com Subject: Re: Fast Battleships Hi Rob >> I am planning my next project, which will be a South Dakota Class battleship circa 1944-1945 in 1/700 using the Hasegawa kit. I have several questions: 1. Which 16" gun turrets are the most accurate - Fujimi, Hasegawa, or Aoshima (or none of the above), or is there an after-market available? << IMHO Hasegawa makes the more accurate 16"/45 turret. I forget which company makes the North Carolina ships (Fijimi or Aoshima) but those turrets are slightly large for the scale, and to rounded in the back. The other company, which makes the 1/700 Iowas makes the 16"/50s for that ship, which is a completely different turret. However, even with the Hasegawa turrets, you will probably want to scratch-build your own barrels, and definitely want to cover the holes that the barrels go through with some sort of blast bag. >> 2. What was the U.S.S. South Dakota's camo scheme? A book I glanced at said measure 22 throughout the war (Haze Gray with Navy Blue up to the lowest deck point and 20-B on the decks). Pictures I have seen don't appear to show the Navy Blue, just overall Haze Gray??? << Hmmm... Being at work, I don't have my resources in front of me, But in the early stages of the war I think she was overall gray, but by the end of the war (late '44 to 45) all four SD ships were wearing the MS 22. (someone will probably correct me if I'm wrong) >> 3. Any idea where a good plan or overhead photo of the U.S.S. Alabama can be had (circa '44 or '45 - not '42)? << Get a copy of Garzke and Dulins' US BATTLESHIPS form the Naval Institute Press. I think this book has a couple good ones in it. >> 4. Any general improvement tips ( I already plan to use Tom's Modelworks fast BB photoetch and the Skywave US weapons II kit for upgrades of secondary armament). << Depends on how far you're willing to go and what level of skill you have. While the 16"/45s are good, the 5"/38s are pretty lousy, you'll definitely want to replace them. After that the changes can get a little more challenging and require a lot of rework of what the kit gives you. For example, the upper section of the forward director tower, just under the air defense platform and above the stack, is too wide and boxy. This part of the tower had a cross section that was more airfoil shaped in the back to control air flow over the stack, and prevent soot from getting sucked upwards into the director. To see this check out the following picture of the MASSACHUSETTS tower. http://members.xoom.com/Wespe/Massachusetts/MA25.jpg Towards the rightish-middle of the picture you can see how the tower turns inward. Another thing to look for is, depending on which ship of the class your building, the AA platform configuration between the stack and the aft director tower. These tended to change drastically over the years and from ship to ship, almost never were they the simple square platform the kit comes with. Last but not least, if you really want to get masochistic with some putty, is to totally re-do the bow shape. In profile this area is okay, but in deck planform the bow is way to narrow and then rounded at the tip. It should be wider and then come to a very slight point. Check out http://members.xoom.com/Wespe/Alabama/AL2.jpg http://www.maf.mobile.al.us/recreation/images/bb60_2.gif and then look at any overhead photos you may have to get an idea of the proper shape. You'll also want totally strip off the bow deck detail back to, and including, the breakwater. Then replace it all with proper breakwater shape (depending on which ship) and then replace capstans, chains, and forward 20mm splinter shields in proper positions. After all this you will have a model that is extremely presentable. Of course there are a lot of other things you could do, its all a question of how far you want to take it. Good luck and regards Fritz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "J Quintino" Subject: Re: Carrier aircraft >> Could someone let us know, please: 1. Which aircraft come with the Tamiya 1/350 Enterprise, and 2. Which aircraft come in the additional Tamiya 1/350 aircraft sets... and what about a 1/350 Sea Stallion for the Flightdeck 350 range??? << I am starting just now building that kit. The aircraft included are : F-14A Tomcat, f-18A Hornet,A-6E Intruder, A-7E Corsair II and S-3A Viking. About your 2nd question sorry, I cant say nothing about that. I am a new one in this matter Rgds, Jaime -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Lindsay Perry Subject: weathering the kgv anyone out there have any ideas on weathering the superstructure of the King George the 5 1/350 tamiya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: On the Lindberg LSD On the Lindberg LSD - The book "Allied Landing Craft of World War II" has some rather small pictures of LSDs of either USN or RN. Including one nearly overhead view. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Tomcat" Subject: Swedish cruiser Tre Kronor Att: Roberto Paredes, Chile About a week ago I received your request for information on the Swedish cruiser Tre Kronor/Gota Lejon. I've found the brief background history listed below and have a set of plans on order from the Swedish Naval Historical Museum. It will probably take a couple of days before they arrive. History of the Swedish cruisers Tre Kronor and Göta Lejon. W.W.II had just started and the Swedish Navy needed more ships. The Navy was currently investigating whether they would start to build a larger vessel at about 16000 tonnes, but the research for this ship, conducted by a Genoa based company, was delayed and therefore the Minister of Defence ordered a previously discussed light cruiser project to be researched as a replacement. Despite the fact that the light cruisers couldnt match the firepower and protection of the heavy cruisers, the Navy was in desperate need of new ships, so the two light cruisers was ordered in 1940. Political debate about the project however delayed the project and it wasnt until 1943 that the building commenced. The cruisers were built at Götaverken and Eriksbergs Mechanical Workshop, both shipyards based in Gothenburg. The cost was about 65 million SEK per ship and the estimated delivery time was 3 years. The final design set the displacement to 7500 tonnes and the design featured Dutch main artillery. The main artillery used by the cruisers was originally ordered by the Dutch Navy for their cruiser Kijkduin. The guns were built by Bofors and were completed by 1941. When Germany occupied Holland the Swedish government confiscated the turret of fear that Germany might otherwise claim these for use in the German Navy In the design of the ships, certain experiences were learned from Italy where they were building cruisers of similar size but with rivet plated hulls, whereas the Swedish yards used welding instead. This meant that not all kind of steel could be used. The side armour therefore had to be mounted outside of the original hull with bolts. As a distance material between the hull and the armour teak from some of the Navies old corvettes was used! Also, due to the limited availability of armour, the armour used was taken from the old dreadnoughts Oden and Thor. Their armour plating was 200-250mm thick so it first had to be rolled down to the more suitable size, 50-70mm. Windtunnel tests was made by the Royal Technical University in Stockholm and they reached the solution that the funnels had to be angled backwards rather steep to prevent smoke to decrease visibility at the bridges. The ships bridge was designed along the British lines with an open bridge on top of a rather large deckhouse housing the CIC and command functions. The turbine engines came from De Laval and had a rating of 90000 hp, giving the ships a designed speed of 33 kts. In addition they was also equipped with two-diesel generator and four steamengines(?) Tre Kronor was launched on the 16th of December 1944 and was christened by Princess Lousie. Göta Lejon was launched 17th November 1945 and christened by Prince Gustav Adolph. When launched, Tre Kronor was the largest naval vessel ever built in Sweden. After completing a number of tests and shakedown trials the ships was handed over to the Navy in 1947. The King Gustav V wrote his name on the aft turret when visiting Tre Kronor in 1947. Göta Lejon also received a signature by a royal person, when Prince Gustav Adolf signed one of the turrets in 1948. The so-called Dutch artillery was of a completely new and revolutionary type. They was remotely controlled and aimed and automatically loaded. They were all-purpose guns, capable of engaging air, sea and land targets. The maximum elevation was 70 degrees. Rate of fire was 10 rounds per barrel when used against sea and land targets and higher when used in the air-defence role. The weight of each shell was approx. 45 kg. When used against ships they fired armour-piercing or explosion grenades, depending on the type of target. Against aircraft and land target explosive rounds was fired. They could also be fitted with timing devices so that they exploded as close to the target as possible. Later, zone grenades, to be detonated when radarcontact with the target aircraft had been achieved, was used. The high rate of fire and the advantage of radar meant that a new set of firing rules had to be developed. When used at the maximum range, three salvos could be fired before the first salvo reached the target. The ships were also fitted with a number of light AA guns as well as 2 triple 53cm torpedo tubes. The ship was also prepared to carry and lay 120 mines. A hydroacoustic torpedo warning systems was fitted and two depth charge throwers was fitted to engage torpedoes and submarines. But the ship lacked an effective hydrophone and couldnt be used for ASW operations. October 1947 through Mars 1948 Tre Kronor was shown to the public and also conducted a number of tests during different conditions. After this she was overhauled for about a year. From April 1949 until October 1951 Tre Kronor was conducting operations with the Swedish coastal Defence Navy and then deployed to the North Atlantic for a test of the ship seaworthiness. During the simmer 1951 Tre Kronor and Göta Lejon both was attached to the Coastal Defence unit. In 1951 Tre Kronor was put in overhaul once again. Among other the bridge was rebuilt. The overhaul took almost 2 years. In November 1953 she once again joined the navy. In 1958 she was put into the reserve in the Carlskrona Naval Yard and was never re-activated. After being de-commissioned she was sold back to the yard were she was built for 3 millions Kr. She was broken up in 1969. Tre Kronor made a voyage to the Faeroe Island in 1950 to present the islands with a gift from Sweden. No less than 2500 was delivered by the cruiser after the then Chief of the Navy had come up with the idea of dispatching the cruiser during the summer operations held by the coastal defence. GötaLejon was sold to Chile in 1971 after having been mothballed a number of years. Tre Kronor class light cruisers. Displacement 8200 std, 9200 full load Length 182m oa Beam 16,5 Draught 6,6 max Gun 7- 6in, 1 triple and 2 twin Unknown number of 40mm, approx 20-30 in a number of mounts 9- 25mm AA 6-21in TT Armour 3-5in Engines 2 De Laval geared turbines, 90000-100000 shp, 2 shafts Speed 33kts Crew 610 Please let me know where I should send the copies of the drawings. I've tried to reach you by e-mail but haven't got any reply so far. Best regards Fredrik Tholander -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Yamato Plane Recovery >> I believe the Ya****o recovered AC from the stern did she not? << Yep, with a big crane. But she had to come to a complete stop to do it. There is a drawing that shows a rolled net fitted to the stern, but it was never implemented. Regards, Duane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Ritchie_deutag, Colin" Subject: 350th Aircraft >> Could someone let us know, please: 1. Which aircraft come with the Tamiya 1/350 Enterprise, and 2. Which aircraft come in the additional Tamiya 1/350 aircraft sets... and what about a 1/350 Sea Stallion for the Flightdeck 350 range??? << Hi there , The Tamiya kit come with, I think F-14's A-7's. A-6's, S-2,s, S-3's and H-3's, (I know since on Saturday I beat an Enterprise with my Tamiya New Jersey, taking best in show at a competion in Glasgow!!), Oh and C-2 Greyhounds . I don't think the HH-53 family would be of much use on Enterprise ,but still nice to have . For the Enterprise much better to look at A-4's, F-8's ,and EA-6B Prowlers and perhaps AV-8A's and B's. Granted the A-4 and F-8's wouldn't really have operated off Enterprise as kitted, but if kit was backdated they would be useful. Oh while I remember, the Shanhorst(SP) is a wonderful idea in 350th, and as for the prices of Lance and Milne, very reasonable, but I'll pass on Repulse! Any chance of a look at the masters for Victorious at Telford? Colin Ritchie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: KDur597268@aol.com Subject: Sinking of "Marat" Hello folks - I'm working with skeletal information here, but in my aviation pursuits I'm trying to add a Stuka to my "ship sinkers" series - I already have McClusky's SBD (I know, he didn't actually score a hit) and Kobayashi's D3A1 (yikes, neither did he!) I know Stukas inflicted damage on a British carrier at Malta - Illustrious? - and that's a strong possibility, but I recently learned that Hans Ulrich Rudel himself was involved in the (partial) sinking of the Russian Gangut-class battleship "Marat." What I am asking is if anyone can point me towards an account of these actions. That just for my historical curiosity. Secondly, I need info on Rudel's plane vs Marat, and who/what Staffel was involved at Malta. Any help will be appreciated. The info I already is just from Jane's "Battleships of the 20th Century" and the Stuka "In Action." Thanks in advance -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Bruce Ross-QBR000 Subject: Re: Fast Battleships >> 3. Any idea where a good plan or overhead photo of the U.S.S. Alabama can be had (circa '44 or '45 - not '42)? << Rob, Something that you might want to keep in mind if you're building the South Dakota, of the four ships that made up the class she was the only one that did not have 5 -5" mounts aside, instead she carried only 4. The area where the middle mount of the five would have been was given over to more superstructure and a 20mm gallery. Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Britannic Stripes >> HMHS Britannic wore the traditional hospital ship colors: white hull, with a red stripe down the middle interrupted by large green crosses. << Actually, it was a green stripe with red crosses. There were also two large red crosses on either side at either end of the boat deck. Regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Liberty Models >> I 'm much more pleased with Joe Zappa at Liberty Model Productions. His address is Liberty Model Productions, P.O. Box 204, Sharpsville, PA 16150. Two questions; does he have any other scale other than 1:350 and is there a catalog available? << I saw his first notice on this list! Unfortunately I don't seem to have his e-mail address around anymore. His selection is small, but hopefully growing. Regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Vimieraa@aol.com Subject: Re: AA on Ark Royal In reply to Mr MItchell, the reference that I am using is not that of the Audacious class, but the drawing on PAGE 124 of the book BRITISH CARRIER AVIATION. This plan is of the Ark Royal, the one that served in WW Two. This plan (the one on page 124) is taken directly from the OFFICAL "as fitted " plans. Could you please tell us if the plans that you referred to, (the ones that you had spread out) are the "as fitted" plans. The key word here is "AS FITTED". If they are the "as fitted" then they will be labelled as such. This is important to know. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Douglas Martin" Subject: Renwal kits, Ark Royal. I had 3 Renwal kits in my collection, 1/500 North Carolina, Lexington and Springfield. The first pair gather dust as I speak, the latter 'broken up'. Aurora did 1/600? kits as well, King George V, St Paul, no survivors from my 1970s collection - still got the instruction sheets though! Ark Royal, strange is it not, you can never find that 'definitive' photograph that would tell all, when you need it. Navies of The Second WW, British BBs and CVs, shows a port side of the Ark, but I cant make out any detail. Comments suggest 4 HA/LA DCTs controlling the 16 4.5 DPs, with no wartime modifications at all except 'the possible fitting of an AW/SW.RDF set only'. And of course we know the 'censors' took their pens out and scribbled details off piccies....... Douglas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Douglas Martin" Subject: Tamiya 1/350 A/c Caroline: Thanks for allowing to open up one of my many 'boxes' holding, er unbuilt kits again, any excuse would have done.... I have the 1/350 Tamiya A/c kits: Kit 7306: F-14A Tomcat, F-18A Hornet. Lockheed S-3A Viking, Vought A-7E Corsair II, Grumman A-6E Intruder. 10 A/c, 2 of each, Tomcats can have wings cut off and set as swept or straight. Kit 7309: F-4S Phantom II, Grumman EA-6B Prowler, Grumman E-2C Hawkeye, Sikorsky SH-3H Sea King. 10 A/c, 4 Phantoms, others 2 of each. Sea Kings have folded or extended rotors. The Beatties model shops used to stock the Enterprise and 1/350 A/c kits, my A/c kits would be about 10 years plus old, no I dont have the carrier! Page 35 of the 1998 Tamiya catalog shows Enterprise with 38 A/c, 8 Tomcats, 7 Hornets, 7 Corsairs, 8 Intruders, 8 Viking I have earlier catalogs, the only problem is to find them! When I find them I'll let you know which A/c Enterprise is pictured carrying, Douglas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: 1/96 scale Bisrmarck >> I am currently building a Scale Shipyard BISMARCK. I would like to talk to other who have built large scale warships about detail parts and construction tips. I need help with the motors, speed controls, gearing, animated turrets, and the like << I built the masters for most of the Kriegsmarine resin parts for The Scale Shipyard. In addition, I've done a bit of R/C building. Feel free to ask any specific questions and I will try and answer them for you. Perhaps the other readers of the list can let us know if this is a subject they would like to see discussed, or if we should handle it through email. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Copyright redux >> Thanks very much to Bradford Chaucer for the information on copyright law. To respond to another post on the subject, I think that, although the copyright laws of various countries may vary some, there has been much more uniformity in recent years due to the Berne Convention (the treaty on copyright law), which even the U.S. has signed on to. (If I am wrong on this, I'm sure Bradford can set me straight!) << You have it essentially correct. The Berne Convention is an international attempt to reconcile copyright law. The U.S. is a signatory and is still in the process of moving closer to full conformity. Basically since the 1980s Most of tthe basics are quite similar from signatory country to country. One area where there may be some differences is in the area of fair use. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: James Corley Subject: 1/350 Seawolf USN Submarine >> The Naval Base is proud to let you be the first to have the NEW Viking kits of the 1/350 Seawolf USN Submarine. Waterline with ocean diorama Scene ----- 18.95 Full Hull model ----- 48.95 << I hate to bust your bubble, but I got the full hull version 6 weeks ago from the local shop!! Same price, tho. If anybody wants one, its very nice....mine had a mismatch on the bottom hull seam (2-3mm) but otherwise vey nice. Maybe the waterline version doesnt suffer from this! JZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: AllenFW2@aol.com Subject: Models Wanted/Models Available! Wanted: Does anyone out there have the following kits (either unbuilt or partially built) that they'd like to sell/trade: Italieri 1/720 HMS Hood or either of the two Airfix Hoods? I am especially interested in the Italieri kit. Available: 1/350 Tamiya Bismarck and Yamato plus Minicraft Titanic...very minimal work done on each. All three hulls have been cut to for waterline displays. All three come with the most current versions of the SUPERB GMM photoetch sets. The Tamiya ships both have extra parts ordered directly from Tamiya (1-800-TAMIYAA). Why do I want to get rid of them? Well, it's just that I prefer 1/700 and similar scales...I just don't have the room to build & display these big puppies. Interested parties please contact me directly at mailto:AllenFW2@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume