Subject SMML24/11/98VOL373 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:27:26 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Titanic Books 2: Re: Hong Kong Hobby Shop 3: Beautiful Aircraft 4: Derbyshire 5: Best Fletcher set? 6: Re: painting resin ships 7: Cod War Frigate 8: Cod War RFA funny 9: Re: Jiangwei Class Frigate 10: Re: German Naval Colors 11: Re: Cracks 12: WRIGHTING A WRONG 13: LSM KIT 14: Re: wooden ship models 15: Re: Pennsylvania -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: 4th July "Splicing The Mainbrace" with WEM 2: Italian warship books for sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Andrew Baines" Subject: Titanic Books Hello. Am researching Titanic. Am looking to scratch build a model. What books can people recomend? I have: A night to remember (Walter Lord) the discovery of the Titanic (Bob Ballard) Titanic (Leo Marriott) Titanic Triumph and Tragedy (Eaton & Haas) James camerons Titanic Titanic: An illustrated history. I have aprox. £100 to spend and was just wondering what peoples top 5 - 10 Titanic books were. Thanks, Andrew. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Gary Au Subject: Re: Hong Kong Hobby Shop >> I don't know if they have the kits you were after, but the best model shop I've found in Hong Kong is Universal Hobbies on Waterloo Road in Kowloon. The have a branch on Hong Kong Island but this was smaller last time I went. They have a wide range of kits and modelling books Worth a visit if you're in the area. << Actually, Universal Hobbies, Dragon Model and Concord Publication all belong to the same group. Gary, Hong Kong. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Phil Gollin" Subject: Beautiful Aircraft Having just received a nice delivery of White Ensign 1/350th Aircraft I just wanted to spread the word of how much more detail are in them over the more 'popular' 1/700th. In particular the Fulmars and Walrus's (Walrii ?)are wonderful and are even better when made-up and painted. I really do suggest that if you have any excuse to add them to a diaorama then these are wonderful little kits in their own right. Phil Gollin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Norman Samish Subject: Re: Derbyshire Dave Swindell wrote: >> Anyone interested in catastrophic failure and how a ship can die in a couple of minutes should check out http://www.shipping.detr.gov.uk/mvds/mvds10.htm for a chilling report on the loss of the Derbyshire. This was thought to be through the loss of the stern section due to cracking which was found on all of her sisterships, but was proved not to be the case. << Dave, The report on the Derbyshire is, indeed, chilling. Thanks very much for the reference. Norm Samish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Dave Pluth Subject: Best Fletcher set? Hi all, I just picked up a Tamiya 350th Fletcher and I'm looking for some photoetch for it. Nothing fancy, no conversions etc. Who's set do you prefer and why? Dave Japanese Aircraft & Ship Modeling Web Page http://www.j-aircraft.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: painting resin ships >> From: "AltonB" Subject: Deck painting I'm new at ship building just moving up from plastic to resin. When is it a good time to paint he deck. << Painting resin ship models is almost identical to plastic ships. As a rule, I paint the decks first. Don't worry about getting paint on the hull or bulkheads. The next step is to airbrush the hull and superstructure. I aim the air brush from below the deck at about a forty-five degree angle. This will produce no over spray on the decks. You can paint about 60% of the model from below deck the deck level but you will have to use a brush to paint the bulkhead where they meet the deck. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Cod War Frigate I may be wrong but I have a memory of reading somewhere that one of the two frigates bought by my Navy - the RNZN - were involved in the Cod War. I believe it was the Southland - formerly the Dido. The Dido was an Icara conversion batch 1 ship (narrow beamed). It would make some sense as I gather that the prefered weapon was the 40mm Bofors of which she was equiped with two. She was laid up as basically un-seaworthy in 1996 and disposed of last year. Prior to that she was a training ship as both the Icara and Seacat systems had been declared obsolete. (with her departure the Bofors and 20mm Mk 8 were also phased out of RNZN service). The other ex-RN Leader was the Bacchante - an unmodified batch 3 broadbeamed Leander - which became, after a major refit - HMNZS Wellington. The Wellington is still in service though much modified. She is about to return from extensive deployment and will become a training ship until paying off to provide crew for the second ANZAC frigate Te Mana probably in one years time. Hope that helps someone. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Malcolm Subject: Cod War RFA funny Back in 1974(?) I applied to the RFA to be a deck cadet but they in their wisdom rejected me as unsuitable. However I found another company who took me on. I was sent for a 2 week induction course at a nautical college before undertaking a year at sea. On this induction course there were Cadets from many companies including one from the RFA who I took an active dislike to as I kept thinking whats he got I havent. Anyhow the 2 weeks soon passed and we all departed bushy tailed ready to see the world. After our year at sea we would return to this college for more shore based training. Well I joined my first ship at Emden sailed round the Baltic for a bit then crossed the Atlantic visted the USA sailed through the Panama Canal and on to Japan then back across the Pacific to Vancouver and back to Japan where I paid off just in time for a tornado to hit to leave me stranded in Japan for a week (lovely). My second ship I joined in Singapore and basically did Oman, Saudi ,Iraq Japan for the next 5 months finally paying off in Dubai and once again they couldnt fly me home for a week (super). Anyhow back to college where we all had similar stories to tell of runs ashore in exotic places except for the RFA lad. Finally we asked where he got to. The response "Rosyth" (the Royal Navy base in Scotland). His first ship had been supporting the frigates off Iceland in the Cod war. He paid off and got posted to his second ship which was replacing his first as the RFA support off Iceland. He had had a year at sea and never visited a foreign port. God moves in mysterious ways Malcolm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Jiangwei Class Frigate Hi, Thanks to everyone who posted regarding the Jiangwei Class frigate. I understand from Dan Jones, who reviewed the 1/200 Jiangwei kit in Issue No. 17 of Plastic Ship Modeler, that he was told that the kit was from Zengdhefu, but evidently this is not the case. I guess when you don't read Chinese (like most of us), you have to rely on what you're told! I'm really excited about getting one of the Jiangwei kits; looks like a beautiful ship. Best regards, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: German Naval Colors Nothing exists at the moment, but if you're patient.... Sometime in 1999 Randy Short and I will be releasing a set of Axis naval paint chips. We have the Italian chips in hand to match, are about to obtain the German chips, and I've seen the IJN chips but don't have them in hand yet. Our second USN set should be ready in about 3 weeks (have to pick up the last two colors tomorrow), after which we'll be starting on matching our 27 Royal Navy colors. After that will come the Axis set. Now, does anyone out there have any idea where we might lay hands on French naval paint chips...? As for the WW1 colors, we haven't even thought about those. What's the interest level out there, folks? John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Cracks Cracks on ships can indeed be frighteningly quick. On my first deployment to 'Nam in BAINBRIDGE, the roving patrol one midnight happened to check the after diesel compartment to find about 2 feet of JP5 jet fuel (which we carried to fuel the diesels and an helos we had embarked) sloshing about in the bilges under the diesel (next compartment aft of my berthing compartment). Luckily, no smokers had inadvertantly walked in, and the diesel hadn't lit off. Seems that we had a screw out of balance or nicked (I've forgotten what they eventually found when we drydocked) and the vibrations aft when we were at flank speed (during ENTERPRISE's air ops) was pretty amazing. Anyway, the vibrations literally split the sheet metal side--not the welds--of the JP5 tank. When it let go, it did so VERY quickly! John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Baker Subject: WRIGHTING A WRONG With regard to the thread about USN aviation-related ship-type designations. U.S.A.WRIGHT was AZ 1, not the PATOKA. For a (very) brief history of the WRIGHT and photos of her (including one of her in her AZ 1 configuration, see my "Historic Fleets" column in the latest USNI NAVAL HISTORY magazine. The internet is wonderful way to communicate, but perhaps not quite so wonderful a way to perform research. Cheers/A.D. Baker, III -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Baker Subject: LSM KIT For Mr. Hebert who asked in SMML Vol 372 about the availability of an LSM kit: If you can wait a bit, Al Ross is working on a kit of an LSM that will depict the class in much the same configuration as they appeared during the Korean War (early LSMs had no 40-mm mount, and even as late as August 1945 nearly half still had only a single 40-mm Mk 3 mount forward rather than the final configuration with a twin 40-mm Mk 1 Mod. 2 mount with adjascent Mk 51 director. Given the detail in Al's other kits, his LSM 1 will definitely be worth the wait. Dave Baker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Jay Schantzen Subject: Re: wooden ship models Regarding wooden ship models, a great list is seaways-shipmodeling-list@lists.best.com. This list is put out by the publisher of Seaways Ships in Scale (also an ecellant source for advice. For your hull specifically, the brass nails could be counter sunk if they are permanently attached (If I use them, I pull them when the glue is dry. An alternative for the future is use a clamp attached to the bulkhead below the plank - the simplest example is a push pin whose large head can overlap the plank, while the pin is in the bulkhead. Before you put on the final layer of planking, consider filling any low spots with putty or another soft filler. This can give you a much better, more accurately shaped hull to plank over. There are many other things to say, but I don't want to send too long a message. The Seaways list has a complete archive which has the info you need. Jay Schantzen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: HDente@aol.com Subject: Re: Pennsylvania The Model of the Pennsylvania in Modelling The 2nd World War has some serious shortcomings, especially the shape of the decks and platforms. Also , the hull of the 1/720 Matchbox/Revell Arizona is wrong in many details, particulary the forward MCG blisters. The plans cited in the article are accurate, however, as are a cheaper, less detailed set from Wisweisser Plans, available from Taubman Plans Service. The larger scale Revell Arizona is a much better starting point for a conversion. After pricing the plans and photos from The Floating Drydock, along with the 1/720 scale kit, you'll find the cost of a decent resin kit will be competetive, and the results more accurate, less aggravating, and take a lot less time to achieve. If you want to tackle the project(I have to admit it, I have, but that was before the resin kit was available) don't worry about the article, just get the plans and photos, lots of sheet plastic and a tub of filler and have at! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: 4th July "Splicing The Mainbrace" with WEM It's almost 3 in the morning..... Major update on the website this weekend chaps...press refresh when you get there. THE Party at last: http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/usipms/usipms.htm 1/350 FLIGHTDECK aircraft http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/fd350/fd350.htm Updated Pre-owned Kits and Books and Clearouts http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/shbooks.htm General News http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/news.htm NARROW SEAS 1/350 Coastal Craft http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/narrow/narrow.htm and DOCKYARD MATEYS 700 http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/dock/dock.htm and WHITE ENSIGN MODELS Photoetched brass in 1/600, 1/700 and 1/350 Scales at http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/wembrass/wembrass.htm and PLASTIC SHIP MODELER magazine at http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/psm.htm I THINK I've covered everything! Cheers Caroline Carter SMLLie old WEMblie http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: HDente@aol.com Subject: Italian warship books for sale Currently in print: Navi Della 2 Guerra Mondiale 14/I and 14/II Italian destroyers of the second world war-Oriani, Freccia, Maestrale classes-2 volumes, 35.00 each. Photos, fold out plans, hull lines. Other titles being reprinted. Navi D'Italia Jane's style books on Italian naval vessels-volumes available-MAS E Mezzi d'assalto small combatants, special forces craft-438 pages, 300 illustrations 62.00 Esploratori Italiani Scouts-covers corvettes, frigates and other vessels. Over 300 pages, over 250 illustrations(photos and plans) 52.00 Unita' Veloci Costiere Fast costal units-Modern fast attack craft and light units-follow up to vol 1, MAS E..... 52.00 Aldo Fraccaroli-Fotografo Naval- 300 of the masters best photos in large format! 60.00. Profile Morskie-Italian Light Cruiser Raimondo Montecuccoli- 14.00. Shipping is 4.00 under 50, 5.00 over 50. Also...PLANS from Italy...If it sailed under Italian colors we can get it! Name the ship, I'll give you the price. Regards, Harry Dente Research in Scale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume