Subject: SMML5/12/98VOL384 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:11:21 +1100 (EST) shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Nagato 2: GV Color 3: Re: Nationals SMMLer ship model build 4: Re: Surcouf 5: NS Savannah and Surcouf 6: DON'T SHOOT, WE'RE REPUBLICANS! 7: Tax payers, thanks to Bob and Greg 8: LCM-3's 9: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT 10: Portholes 11: Blue vs wood decks 12: SURCOUF references -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Traders 2: Help Needed 3: WEM 1/600 RN Weapons.. corrected URLs 4: Books for Sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: David_Fraser@jdsfitel.com Subject: Re: Nagato >> I do plan to build it, not just look at it, and have a color question. In looking at the box art, the aircraft deck is painted what looks to be an IJN linoleum color (reddish-brown). The pictures of Paul Eisenberg's 1/200 Nagato on Warship show this area painted dark gray, although it looks like the brass strips which separate the linoleum sheets are there too. It seems to be dark gray linoleum. Finally, also on the Warship site, the pictures of Jim Gordon's Mutsu show the aircraft deck to be the same gray as the rest of the ship. So, my question is, does anyone have any knowledge or opinions about what color the aircraft deck actually was? Also, were the steel decks the same color as the vertical surfaces of the ship? Is this true in general for IJN ships, or were the steel decks a different color? << Model Art's "Drawings of IJN Vessels - volume 1" indicates that all IJN battleships and battle cruisers, including the Nagato class, had linoleum on their flight decks. I don't believe that they indicate the colour, though I presume that it would be the usual red-brown colour. Whether and when they may have removed the linoleum later, I do not know. David Fraser -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "mkrumrey" Subject: KGV Color I am planning on building the Tamiya 1/350 KGV. Does anybody know what color scheme she wore during her escapade with the Bismarck in May of '41? I'd like to know hull color, deck color, etc., I am using Testors Model Master, and Floquil Marine Colors. Thanks Mark Krumrey, New Richmond Wisconsin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Nationals SMMLer ship model build >> Mike suggested that a bunch of ship modelers agree to show up at the IPMS/USA nationals in Orlando having built the same type of ship (though not necessarily starting with the same kit). Mike suggested 1/700 destroyers, since that would provide for a small enough model that getting one finished in the next 6 months shouldn't be too much of a chore. FLETCHERs would make a good choice. << This is an interesting idea. The problem I have always had doing ship group entries is finding ship modelers. It would require a little coordination via email but you have a ton of ship modelers right here. Why not get together with several SMMLers and put together a group entry for the Nationals? The obvious reason you don't see ship collections is the amount of work and time involved in each model. That's a LOT of work for one award. A group entry (a group entry will allow more than one builder) showing something as simple as the different destroyer paint schemes for the Fletchers would be an eye catcher. Taking it to the fullest extent, how about a group entry showing all versions of the Fletchers in 1/350 scale! THAT would be something to see! This unique idea would impress everyone (including judges) since ship model group entries are almost unheard of. The only problem with this idea is who gets the award? I would get together with the Nationals guys and have duplicates made of the award if you win providing the E Board has no problem with it. The second problem is getting everyone and their models to the Nationals. It never fails. Someone will either back out or an emergency will come up and you'll have hole in your entry. If that occurs, a model can be safely packed and mailed to a modeler who is definitely going to make it. It will take lots of frequent communication and coordination but I'll bet it can be done. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Surcouf I'd recommend getting in touch with the SubCommittee list, and specifically with my good friend Marshall Clark. I'll forward your query to him with the recommendation he get back to you. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: jpoutre@lehman.com (Joseph Poutre) Subject: NS Savannah and Surcouf >> In regards to the recent thread regarding the Savannah. There is an article on her in the September 1998 issue of Ships Monthly. They visit her where she is laid up. << Can anyone tell me where to purchase that issue of Ships Monthly? I have never seen it locally. >> I would like to find some references and particularly some color scheme information on the French submarine "Surcouf". If anyone can provide some book or article references (in any language) I would really appreciate it. Also, if anyone has any experience/opinions on the Heller 1/400 kit of this submarine I'd like to hear from you. You can either reply to the list or directly to me. << Marines Editions publishes a large book on the Surcouf which I believe includes drawings, some in color, and photos. Pacific Front Hobbies lists it - check with them. Joe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Norman Samish Subject: DON'T SHOOT, WE'RE REPUBLICANS! This was a fascinating story, Bob. Thanks. >> DON'T SHOOT, WE'RE REPUBLICANS! Transcribed by Jerry Proc (From a1993 article by Kit Bonner of the Sacramento Bee) << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Jens H. Brandal" Subject: Tax payers, thanks to Bob and Greg From: "Caroline Carter" >> Hmmmm... the taxpayer argument doesn't hold up...when Dave was a policeman he used to arrest taxpayers even though they were paying his wages!! << Well, obvoisly these people should get their money's worth too:) Finally, I'd like to thank Bob Steinbrunn for the entertaining story about the ship that nearly changed history and Greg for serving as listmaster. Reading the list with so many knowledgeable people is one of the high points of the day. Jens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: LCM-3's Dear Sir: Concerning Ed Gruner's request on the LCM-3's. I know this much about them. Skywave only put out the LCVP and the larger landing craft. I do have a book that lists technical data with photos. E-mail me your address Ed and I'll photocopy you what I have. Sincerely Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Tim Perry Subject: Subject - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT Greg, Having had my rather jaded taste for modelling rejuvinated by SMML, I just wanted to say thanks for all your hard work, it really is appreciated! Happy Modelling, you deserve the time off! Tim Perry Bristol, UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Portholes Alan Lindstrom asked: >> Can anyone enlighten with respect to USN porthole practice and rationale. As an example, destroyers built in the '30s initially had two rows of portholes forward. By Pearl Harbor, it seemed that the bottom row had been removed, and as the war went on, the top row also. Were the plated over, painted over, or just blacked out from the inside? Why? << Portholes, of course, improved habitability and ventilation in the days before air-conditioning was available on ships. I guess damage control was of greater concern in wartime: portholes let light escape, conceivably giving away a ship's position to the enemy, and also could let in water easier (but less easily than a shell or torpedo!). I think they were mostly plated over but don't know for certain. Other wartime measures were to remove flammable materials inside the ships (bulkhead paint, linoleum, any wood, etc.) and reduce top hamper/improve stability in the case of smaller ships. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Alan Lindstrom" Subject: Blue vs wood decks There is a B&W overhead view of the Mississippi dated April 11, 1945 on one of the battleship web pages where the deck (at least to me) is clearly not painted deck blue. This is very disturbing! Alan Lindstrom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: SURCOUF references Tim You will find some good photos in the book of Terry C Treadwell: Submarines With Wings, Conways Maritime Press, London, 1985. There is also a French book by Claude Huan: Le sous-marin Surcouf, Marines edition, Nantes. I don't know this French book by myself, but I know other ones of this series, and they are comparable to the "Anatomy of the Ship" series. But of course they are in French language. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Tom & Carolyn Harrison Subject: Re: Traders We at Tom's Modelworks would like to thank all you ship modelers for making 1998 a record year. In thanks, we are offering a 20% price discount off any of our brass sets and with over 90 sets to choose from we sure you can find something. A complete listing of all our sets can be found on our web site tomsmodelworks.com. This special discount offer ends December 31. As an FYI, we have several new sets, ranging in scales from 1/200 through 1/700, heading to the etcher in the first months of 99. Have a GREAT holiday season and THANKS AGAIN. TOM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Greg Lee (Listmaster - SMML) Subject: Help Needed Hi, I need the assistance of someone in the Bremerton Area - Washington State - USA. I need some urgent Christmas shopping done at the Turner Joy Gift Shop. Thanks Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: WEM 1/600 RN Weapons.. corrected URLs Well, here are URL corrections to yesterdays postings re Chris Drage's Royal Navy AA Weapons set build, which I fouled up.... sorry Chris! http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/wembrass/wempe720.jpg http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/wembrass/wempe72a.jpg http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/wembrass/wempe72b.jpg http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/wembrass/wempe72c.jpg Caroline Carter WEM http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/narrow/ns002.htm for another cool model! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: Books for Sale Got some dupes in the ol' library: Roberts, John. _Anatomy of the Ship: The Battlecruiser HOOD_. Annapolis: USNI Press, 1982. 127pp, photos, plans, detail drawings. Fine, with DJ. $30.00. Ross, Al. _Anatomy of the Ship: The Destroyer Escort ENGLAND_. Annapolis: USNI Press, 1985. 96pp, photos, plans, detail drawings. Fine, with DJ. $30.00. Talbot-Booth, E.C. _Waterline Ship Models_. London: Sampson Low, Marston & Co., Ltd., n.d. (1937). 96pp, photos, simple plans--all merchant ships. Good, no DJ. $60.00. Hoehling, A.A. _The LEXINGTON Goes Down_. Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice-Hall, Inc., 1971. 208pp, photos, diagrams. Excellent, with DJ. $26.00. I'll pay postage. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume