Subject SMML18/12/98VOL398 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:02:24 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: USS Enterprise 2: HMS Invincible 3: Re: Gulfstream Subs 4: Re: INDIANAPOLIS 5: Credit card agent 6: CV Deck markings 7: Re: Sail dimensions of Permit class subs 8: Re: Cage masts 9: Re: credit cards. 10: Re: removing Paint from Models 11: Re: Deutschland 12: Vosper MTB's -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: USS Enterprise Hi there , My wife, bless her has awarded me the Tamiya Enterprise for my Xmas, (GMM Brass in Feb for my Birthday). Like most people embarking on this monster, I'm trying to sort out just what need to be done to make her more accurate. The usual vestigial hanger deck will be added etc. But my question concerns her air wing. I want to model her a year or so after the 197?-1980/1 re-fir that saw the new bridge installed. What was the air wing, and what were the aircraft markings? Since I really an aircraft modeller, I can foresee a fair amount of work being done to add tanks, weapons etc to these little puppies prior to their instillation ! Any help would be most appreciated Colin Ritchie mailto:Colin.Ritchie@halliburton.com PS The names of any good house builders would also appreciated, I can see the need for at least one additional room added to the house to hold this beast and the rest of the 350th Fleet! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: WFulp@aol.com Subject: HMS Invincible Does anyone know what happened to the 1/350 WEM release of the Invincible Class Carrier? I remember seeing photos of an almost complete master and promises of coming availability. Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re: Gulfstream Subs All Gulfstream patterns are now copyrighted with Steve Wiper of Classic Warships.. once the pattern has been tidied, Steve WILL be releasing it again. Regards Caroline Carter White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: INDIANAPOLIS Hi Andy, Yes, she still had a wood deck, but only the "01" level--from the forecastle back to the break to the main deck abaft the number 1 stack. The main deck and all other decks appear to have been plated by then. If you're putting her in her Measure 32/7d camouflage, then her decks were also patterned in Deck Blue (20-B) and Ocean Gray (5-O). If you have her in Measure 22, then her decks would be Deck Blue (20-B) overall. If you haven't got it already, I'd strongly suggest you get a copy of Steve Wiper's Warship Pictorial 1: USS INDIANAPOLIS_. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Malcolm Subject: Credit card agent >> perhaps there is some way to pursuade some friendly merchant in various countries who is set up to take credit cards to set up an escrow function where they will take the credit card purchase for the overseas seller, and give him local currency << This is specifically forbidden in the merchants agreement with the credit card company. Malcolm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Tim Stoneman Subject: CV Deck markings In all the recent mailings about deck markings, there doesn't seem to have been any mention of one carrier (admittedly not a CV in the strict sense) which definitely had deck letters just prior to the US entry into WW2. I refer to ACV-1, USS LONG ISLAND. There is a clear shot in "The US Navy in World War Two 1941-1942" showing her before her flight deck was extended in autumn 1941. She has the full light-colo(u)red lines fore 'n' aft and athwartships, and the letters "LI" at both ends of the deck (fwd letters reading from ahead, aft ones from astern). She appears to be a solid colour overall. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Sail dimensions of Permit class subs Sail dimensions of USS Thresher/Permit class SSN's. Not sure if I can find the exact dimensions someplace. In general the plans by Edward H. Wiswesswer do not enjoy a high reputation for accuracy among members of the SubCommittee. Post your question on the SubCommittee general BB, someone will have the exact dimensions, we're at: http://www.wolfsong.com/SubCommittee/ The Thresher/Permit class of submarines did have very small sails. The sails were low and had limited space for masts. It was necessary to reduce the sail size from the preceding Skipjack class, as the same reactor (S5W) was used, and the larger hull size of the Permits caused a reduction is speed (wetted hull surface adds friction, hence drag). I believe some of the later Permits may have had somewhat enlarged sails. Check to make sure that your photos are not of the follow-on Sturgeon class. The sail was enlarged to permit more masts for intelligence gathering and other functions. The sails on Sturgeons are also markedly taller than Permits, primarily so that the forward sail-mounted planes can be rotated to vertical in order to break through the ice for artic operations. Sturgeons still had the same S5W reactor, and were slower still. Speed was reclaimed in the LA class, with a more powerful reactor, and a return to a smaller sail. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Cage masts >> I just recently (Monday) finished the Waterline 1/700 Maryland as she appeared at Pearl Harbor. The kit came with photo-etched cage masts and I was very impressed with the way they look completed. I also had some consternation over rolling up the masts correctly but it was actually much easier than I thought. Basically, you want to use a small cylindrical object to roll the mast around to get a nice tubular shape. The trick is that the masts are more cone shaped than straight cylinders. I used the << Some nice vendors, at least in the 1/350 realm provide a conical form to roll the masts. If one is not provided, if one can determine he lower diameter and length, one can make a conical spindle on a lathe or even with one of those drill/lathe attachments. We really should encourage the manufacturers of all resin kitts that have cagemasts to include a cone spindle. The cost is pennies at best!! Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: credit cards. >> Actually handing your credit card to a waiter is potentially riskier. << Paolo makes a good point. We generally don't hesitate to hand our credit cards to the pimply faced teenager at the local gas station or the waitress at the local eatery who takes the card away to process a receipt, but go paranoid over using the card on the web! If secure transmission is not available, send the numbers in several messages. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: robin Subject: Re: removing Paint from Models Hi all, What I find best for removing paint without damaging the plastic is common brake fluid, I put the painted bits in, & leave them sit overnight, it has not damaged any of my models yet, but try it out before you put your precious model in, use a bit of sprue for a night first, as it may eat the older plastics.. Do NOT use sand paper, believe me, it stuffs models, like UHU glue Cheers & 73's for now, ordrazz Web Page: http://www.ne.com.au/~ordrazz/frames.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: DKrakow105@aol.com Subject: Re: Deutschland >> I was wondering if anyone had any suggested sources of information on the pocket battleship Duetschland? << Hi Mike The ultimate reference on the DKM "Deutschland" is the stupendous 1:50 scale builder's model presently on display at the Deutsches Museum in Munich. I think it may have recently been the subject of a website article on Navismagazine. I dont know for sure as I dont have a subscription. Another good reference on the Deutschland are two German language books on the Deutschland class by Koop and Schmolke. They contain a plan which is pretty good. Although I consider the book generally poor, the photo coverage of the Deutschland is good. I have the Heller kit and though I did not yet measure it against the specs, the overall impression is good. I think the same hull is in the Heller Spee kit, and in that case the beam seems a bit too narrow. The Deutshland kit needs some work in areas, particularly under the catapult, but should build up very nicely. There is a lot more information available on the early Deutschland than on her sisterships, Admiral's Scheer and Spee. Have fun with your model. Cheers David Krakow Frankfurt Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Millen, Alan R." Subject: Vosper MTB's Was wondering if the U.S. Navy operated any Vosper MTBs during the war, besides PT611, and if so, where could one find information on the craft? I'm attempting to construct an Airfix Vosper in U.S. service, and the available (to me) info is spotty. What colors? What armament? British guns, torps, depth charges? Or U.S. issue? Thanks for any help! Alan R. 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