Subject SMML27/12/98VOL407 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:52:40 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Hood Replies 2: USS Shangri La 3: Re: USS HORNET 4: Re: Haze Gray 5: Re: Gunboat Plans 6: Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS, GRAF SPEE DEPTH AND MTB PLANS 7: USS New Jersey Colours 8: Re: Crunch & Des 9: USS Hornet (Doolittle raid) 10: Wanted Heller Potemkin and Vacuform equipment 11: RMS Titanic 12: Re: Hornet colors 13: HMS's Kelly/Kashmir -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: DKrakow105@aol.com Subject: Hood Replies >> That's interesting information about the Hoods. This kind of information from all you experts makes this list especially fascinating. Thanks. << Yes, I second that. There I was thinking that the ship was named after Robin Hood the king of theives ('course Robin Hood was a much better shot). Cheers Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Chris Hughes" Subject: USS Shangri La Hi folks, Here's a puzzler for the older members of the newsgroup. When I was about 10 years old (1964) my Dad brought home a box of made-up kits given to him by the son of a friend who was off to college. Two of the kits which spring to mind were the USS Forrestal (probably Revell) and the USS Shangri La, which, as I remember was a carrier with wooden decking. Although the Forrestal has been resurrected a few times under the Revell label, I have never seen any references to the Shangri La. Does anyone remember this model? Is my memory playing tricks? If she existed, who was the manufacturer and what a/c did she carry? Hoping for some replies, Regards Chris Hughes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USS HORNET Given where and when she commissioned, and her rather rapid transfer to the Pacific Fleet, HORNET's flight deck at the time of the Doolittle Raid should have been Norfolk 250N Flight Deck Stain, a color darker and somewhat more gray than the Flight Deck Stain 21 that superseded it in '42. Flight Deck Stain 21 was still in testing aboard RANGER at the time of the Doolittle Raid, and hadn't been distributed to the fleet yet. BTW, both colors are included in our USN Paint Chip Set #1. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Haze Gray The proper mixture will vary according to the brand of paint you're using. There is no universal mix. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Gunboat Plans For PANAY and her ilk, see Norman Friedman's _US Small Combatants_, a copy of which was awaiting me under the Christmas tree yesterday morning (along with a bio of Halsey). John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "F J Hueso" Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS, GRAF SPEE DEPTH AND MTB PLANS First of all, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone, though I know I'm a little "en retard" but as our Fiscal Year finish with the natural year, these are very busy days (and, as Shane and Lorna, here we celebrate the Christmas Eve) Back to ships, and concerning the surprise some of you has expressed about Graf Spee being under 50 feet of water and there are photos showing her superestructure out of water. someone know exactly how she were under those 50 feet? for as following Gröner's data, if Graf Spee's depth was 12,2 metres that leaves nearly all superstructure out of water, as 50 feet = 15,24 metres, (that is, if 50 feet is the bottom's depth at she was sunken). Concerning the MTB, Model Shipwright nº 79 includes a Modeller's Draught article about MTB 70 feet, with plans in about 1/53 scale (if I calculated it correctly) and some close-ups. As I've got Airfix MTB 73 ft. and I'm building the S-Boot, ( along an modern Saratoga, an Alabama, and much more), I hope some day build an 70 ft (and for the american friends, I've got also an PT Boat on the "maybe some day..." pile. Ah! Evert Jan: May I dare to be one of yur testers? after all not only I'm not an engineer but also I'm not an english speaker (really I'm an amateur on both matters) As I commenced I finish FELIZ NAVIDAD Y PRÓSPERO AÑO NUEVO (Specially the SMML crew) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Bruce Archer" Subject: USS New Jersey Colours First let me thank those who responded to my inquery of the Invincible. As a friend and myself are to build a couple of New Jerseys for the Battleship New Jersey group, we need the colours used for WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam. Thanks for any help which can be given. Bruce Archer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Crunch & Des That's another one I watched every week. As I recall, Forrest Tucker played Crunch, while a character actor whose name slips my mind at the moment played Des. The series was based on short stories and books by Phillip Wylie. John Snyder Sacramento, California -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: USS Hornet (Doolittle raid) I did a 1/700 scale Hornet several years ago, and used Testors ModelMaster FS 31168 Gunship Gray for the gray-painted decks at that time. The Harnet carried double white lines from amidships forward as guides for the center and left wheels of the B-25s. I assume this was to make sure they lined up for their takeoff runs far enough to port that their wings wouldn't hit the island. Anyway, the center wheel stripe stopped a little short of the bow - the left stripe went to the end of the deck. (Don't forget that the sides of Hornet's flight deck at the bow angled in like her sisters, but they then squared out at the ends - no model shows this, but it is easy enough to add some platic scraps to represent this.) The bow and stern also had small LSO platforms - again just a scrap of plastic does the job. I think Hornet should have had three narrow dashed lines for deck markings at this time, but either they were painted over for the mission (my guess) or I just didn't catch them. That's my guess - e-mail me if you or your friend want to discuss this further. I'm revising and cleaning up my old Hornet, and would appreciate some tips and pointers as well. Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Wanted Heller Potemkin and Vacuform equipment Anyone know a source for Heller`s Potemkin? Aprox.cost would be helpful. I`m not a super-high class modeller, just want to do a ship I like for over my desk. If no Potemkin then maybe Aurora? I am very interested in Russo-Japanese War. I have all major warships scratch built to wargame (simplified,non-fragile)standards about 25 years ago. It was a club project and I built about 1/3 of them.Anyone else out there do simplified wargame ship models? ANYONE KNOW OF A MANUFACTURER OF VACUFORM EQUIPMENT??? I have got a number of ideas on how to build a vacuformer, but want to buy one already made. Thanks Chuck Duggie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: bg Subject: RMS Titanic Has anyone built , or in the process of building the new 1/400 RMS Titanic. Any info will be most helpful -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Re: Hornet colors I have a couple of comments re: Craig's very helpful notes on this subject. First of all, the Floating Drydock resource he refers to does not provide any clear "rules" for carrier decks during this period, so his selections of Deck Blue paint or deck tan are certainly valid. I failed to point out that the FS 36118 paint I use for early war gray decks is what I also use for deck blue walkways (I actually use Humbrol Dark Blue Gray, while has been rated at FS 36118 in some sources). Second, thanks, Craig, for nailing down where the white lines begin - I just hid my line's beginning back in that area. As far as it stopping seven "planks" short of the bow, this may be a little confusing. I think Craig is referring to the tie-down strips that are spaced every six planks or so on the Hornet, twelve planks on the Essex class ships. This is usually the smallest detail that shows up in a photo, and from a distance, it looks like planks. On my model I have it eight "planks" back from the bow, which on the Tamiya kit is the first bow arrestor gear, and where the flight deck edges "angle" inward. (I just rechecked my sources and I'm wrong - it clearly stops before this point, so I'd go back one more "plank" or so. I can't confirm the black stripe, but I don't have the photos Craig refers to. Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: CHRIS DRAGE Subject: HMS's Kelly/Kashmir HI Gang, Happy New Year!!! I am planning a diorama featuring HMS's Kelly & Kashmir on May 23rd '41 when they were both bombed and sank south of Crete. Can anyone answer the following: 1. Did each ship have a 4" AA gun in plave of the after torp tubes fitted? 2. Did each or either ship have blast/weather shield fitted abaft A and B guns? 3. Were 20mm AA Oerlikons fitted in the bridge wings at this time for each ship? Happy Modelling! Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo.... (Te reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume