Subject SMML16/01/99VOL427 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:02:12 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: 1.1 inch guns 2: Re: Sightseeing near Detroit 3: S.S. Ngapuhi and Niagara 4: Re: RN Colours 5: Re: Good Book Buy 6: Re: Nelson Paint Scheme 7: Re: Signal Flags 8: Re: Museums to visit in Michigan 9: Re: USN 1.1" Chicago Pianos 10: Re: Sightseeing in Ann Arbor area 11: JSP # and Detroit area maritime museum 12: Re: Hull red 13: Looking for info 14: Re: Planet X Magazine 15: Signal Flag decals available 16: RN colour chips 17: Re: Jim Shirley Productions 18: Re: USS MONTROSE FATE 19: Re: Signal Flags -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Kombrig 1/700th Russian Pre-Dreadnought Battleships 2: Re: Getting Ships plans -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "FERNANDO, YOHAN" Subject: Re: 1.1 inch guns >> The only 1.1" "Chicago Pianos" I am aware of are on Tamiya's Enterprise/Hornet. I have "borrowed" them to do a 1/700 scale scratchbuilt Wasp (CV-7).<< I think you can also find some in one of the Skywave USN Weapons sets. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Philip Downing Subject: Re: Sightseeing near Detroit >> If I'm not mistaken, the Henry Ford Transportation Museum is in Detroit. It would definitely be worth a visit. Mike Settle << The Henry Ford Museum is great, though actually located next to Detroit in Dearborn. There is also the the Dossin Great Lakes Museum on Belle Isle, in Detroit, which specializes in Maritime Subjects. In the Detroit Cultural Center (9 miles N of downtown) is A good Art Museum, a historical museum, and small science center, and several otheres. Check ahead for hours, as sometimes they are very limited. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Myhrman" Subject: S.S. Ngapuhi and Niagara Hi all! I'm searching for information on the New Zealand steamer S.S Ngapuhi (1900) and liner S.S. Niagara (1913). Does anyone know if good references such as drawings and pictures are available of these two ships? Two books on New Zealand passenger ships I heard of is "The ships of the Union Steam Ship Company of NZ" (who owned the Niagara) and "NZ coastal passenger ships" by Gavin McLean. However, I don't know anything about the contents of the books and wonder if anyone knows how good references they are and if any other references exists? Best Regards and thank you for any help Johan Myhrman Yokohama -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" Subject: Re: RN Colours Hey, all! Thanks for the responses! First to Yohan, thanks for the offer but I actually have some drawings of both sides of Nelson (and they ARE different). It's the horizontal surfaces I'm wondering about. Then to Mr. Snyder; considering my questions this is going to seem odd, but I'd recommend doing the Japanese set first, especially if you have to return the chips you have. I certainly would like to see Japanese and Royal Navy, so this is quite a dilemma. But we really should bend over backwards to be nice to our sources, or we wouldn't get anywhere! I assume you'll let us all know when they're done. I'm looking forward to them! Anyway, that's my two cents worth, and thanks again to all who have (or will) responded! Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Dimitrios Apostolopoulos Subject: Re: Good Book Buy >> Also scattered throughout the book are color warship profiles, with many ships rendered in camouflage schemes. I'd never seen HMS Rodney in "green" before (Pp 242-243)!<< Phil: The profile shown is of H.M.S. Nelson and not Rodney. This is an unfortunate mistake that escaped the attention of the author... Dimi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Dimitrios Apostolopoulos Subject: Re: Nelson Paint Scheme Michael: Alan Raven's Man O' War #3 has good illustrations of Nelson's disruptive camouflage. There was at least one modification of the specific pattern in 1943 and in all cases the starboard pattern was different than the portside, and different in design and paint selection from Rodney's known scheme in 42-44. Dimi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Signal Flags Rusty, There can't be any better source for info on signal flags and the use of same in the US Navy than "The Bluejackets' Manual". It even has blacked page edges on the signal pages so you can find them quickly. It explains all the meanings and usages. I am looking at a 1943 edition. If you don't have a copy contact me off list. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: WVeigele@aol.com Subject: Re: Museums to visit in Michigan The 2,000 member Patrol Craft Sailors Association (PCSA) maintains a museum of World War II patrol craft models, photographs, written material, and memorabilia at their museum/library/archive in Bay city. It is in the Bay County Historical Museum in Bay City, Michigan. In mid-May the PCSA will hold its reunion there. The museum will put on a special display of patrol craft items during the reunion. Bill Veigele -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USN 1.1" Chicago Pianos Oh Caroline.... WEM would make SO many modelers of USN subjects SO happy with production of said subject. As someone pointed out, the only available examples are those in the Tamiya ENTERPRISE/HORNET kits, and it gets a bit expensive if one needs them for other subjects (I lucked out when I needed some for my JUNEAU a few years back, and my partner Randy had a Tamiya kit from which he was willing to donate--guess he owns part of the IPMS First Place plaque). Anyway, if you're inclined to other-than-RN detail parts, I'd personally put 1.1s at the top of the list. Best, John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Hess1962@aol.com Subject: Re: Sightseeing in Ann Arbor area Your best bet, although it's not restricted to naval exhibits, is indeed the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village, located in Dearborn, Michigan about 20 miles east of Ann Arbor...plan on spending a day immersed in U.S. history, especially transportation history. If you have access to a car, and if the winter weather permits, check out the Kalamazoo Air Museum (popularly known as the "Kazoo Air Zoo")...located about 90 miles west of A-squared (the local's name for Ann Arbor)...they have an extensive collection of WWII aircraft, all in flying condition and including a complete set of the Grumman "Cats" (hence the nickname "Zoo")...also modern jet aircraft and an entire exhibit hall dedicated to the battle for Guadalcanal. Enjoy! Dave Hess, Kalamazoo MI USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: tom Subject: JSP # and Detroit area maritime museum >> I have read some other readers concerns with JSP kits, and think it is only fair to relate my experience with the company. When I purchased this kit (Honolulu), it had the wrong hull (New Orleans), a call to Jim Shirley Productions got me the correct replacement and I was told I could keep the other one. It arrive a week after the call and other than that I'm pretty satisfied with JSP. << If you still have the tel # could you please either post or email it to me? I have the JSP San Francisco kit (which I like a lot) but it had no contact information and I want to order some additional stuff. Thanks! Also for Evert-Jan: Try the Dossin Maritime Museum in Detroit: http://www.detroithistorical.org/dossin.html and for a huge list of Great Lakes area historical and ship links: http://www.oakland.edu/boatnerd/links.htm Enjoy! Best regards, Tom Kremer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Re: Hull red I admit it! I've been using spray cans of flat Rustoleum for my hull red color! Burl Burlingame Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 A historical interpretation company. Visit our web site at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ross Bruce-QBR000 Subject: Looking for info Does anyone out there have any drawings, pictures, or diagrams of a U.S. Navy Mk 31 Dual Purpose Director?? I'm currently deep into a 1/144 model of the U.S.S. San Francisco and everything I have seen shows the backs of the directors or the blasted things are covered with canvas (which is rapidly becoming a real option!) Anyway, any and all help would be appreciated. Thanks, Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Planet X Magazine Dear Bob: The web site is on AOL-www. Planet x magazine. Com and just use AOL and type in Planet x magazine and your there. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: CHRIS DRAGE Subject: RN colour chips Hi John and all SMMLies, >> Releasing the IJN now might--repeat might--delay the RN set a bit. Recommendations? << On behalf of all R.N. ship modellers: Please, please, please don't delay the RN chips any longer than is absolutely necessary - we want 'em! We need 'em! The whole subject of R.N. colours in WWII is so complicated and undocumented that paint chips will provide a most essential guide for the serious modeller. Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo.... (Te reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Cmaude0869@aol.com Subject: Re: Jim Shirley Productions I had difficulty contacting Jim Shirley Productions myself. I am very avid Waterline 1/700 modeler and liked his kits. He still produces them and I have found some at 2 different hobby shops , 1 in CT and 1 in Mass. He does a lot of resin work for Disney and this takes his attention away fom the model lines but they are still in business. When ordering last time it took several weeks to get the product and it required a lot of follow up on my part. While I am writing can any one put me onto a supplier of current USN 1/700 waterline ship models in either plastic or resin? Hi, You could try Pacific Front http://www.pacificfront.com/ , Flagship Models or The Naval Base. You can access them from the Warship site at http://warship.simplenet.com/ & possibly http//Navismagazine.com Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Barry Gerrard" Subject: Re: USS MONTROSE FATE According to the book "Victory Ships and Tankers" by Sawyer and Mitchell the MONTROSE was stricken from the Navy List in 1969 and scrapped in Portland Oregon in 1970. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "DAVID CLIFFE" Subject: Re: Signal Flags Hiya Looking through my files I found some useful info on RN signals of WW2 1. Alec A Purves Flags for ship modellers...Conway 1983. Gives dimensions for ensigns and examples of 1931 international signal code. 2. Peter Hodges Make a signal Airfix Magazine March 1970 pp.326-350 Details the WW2 codes used by RN with examples of hoists 3. J.E Broome Make a Signal - catch an early edition - NOT the recent re-issue and you'll fnd a full set of WW2 RN code flags. I have a grotty hand written transcription which I'm typing up. Making flags - why this fuss about decals? For something so small I use single ply tissue paper and paint - the advantage is its very cheap, it fits your chosen paint scheme perfectly and can suit any wind state. Do be warned - bunting must make as much sense as any other aspect of the model. By the way, the Cruel Sea gives a couple of god examples - for example the use of pennants giving Compass Rose's pennant number as she leaves harbour. Hodges gives examples. Do note than the current Manula of seamanship (in many big reference libraries - Reading has one) has only the current state of play. If anyone would like 2 or 2 on my list please drop me your snail-mail to my other e-mail - Mike.Cooper@reading.gov.uk Be patient and I'll see if I can get a photocpy off to you. Mike Cooper Reading Uk (Where it is throwing it down and utterly yukky!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Rob Mackie" Subject: Re: Kombrig 1/700th Russian Pre-Dreadnought Battleships I am in the process of photographing five Kombrig 1/700th kits of Russian pre-Dreadnought battleships. They are Sisoi Velikey, Petropavlosk and Sevastopol (the 1894 class), Navarin and Petr Velikey. An in-the-box look at these five kits should be appearing on Warship (http://warship.simplenet.com) Sunday or Monday. These are excellent kits. Nicely cast with minimal cleanup required, they are well engineered and go together easily. Instructions leave something to be desired and there is no etched brass. I recommend them to anyone with an interest in warships of this period (1880 - 1906). An essential reference is "Battleships of the Imperial Russian Navy" by V.M. Tomitch. There is a review of it on the Warship site at http://warship.simplenet.com/tomitch.htm Both the Kombrig kits and the Tomitch book are available from Pacific Front. Rob Mackie Warship Editor http://warship.simplenet.com Serious Reality Avoidance -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Growlrr@aol.com Subject: Re: Getting Ships plans Hi Bill - If you can wait about two weeks, my book "Warship Perspectives: Atlanta Class Cruisers" will be coming off the press. Flint has over 9 pages to herself...Builders photos, commissioning photos....want a couple of shots of Flint uder attack in March 1945? How about a couple of never before published photos of Flint during an "unrep" (underway replentishement) with a tanker in the Pacific? Bridge kill markings? It's all in there, plus photos of her Measure 33/22d camouflage pattern from every possible angle....The book will also contain a full set (on a seperate pull out sheet) of General Arrangement and plan view drawings of San Diego after refit. Not the exact same as Flint, but with the photos, the differences should be obvious - Also included on the pull out are rigging and mast detail drawings specially commissioned for the book and done by Alan Raven. I am awaiting the final blueprints from the printer as we speak. Once I proof and approve them, we're on press....Look the the annoucement on SMML in the near future.... Glenn R. Arnold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Signal Flag decals available Hello All, I just wanted to let you know that I will be putting out a set of 1/350 signal flag decals available directly from me or from Toms Model Works. The set will include two of each flag along with a the US flag and Naval Ensign, and the British White Ensign and Union Jack. Pricing has not been set yet but but should be about US$6 per set including shiping in the US or Canada, and US$7 including shipping for everywhere else. I should have it ready by the end of next week. I also have a collection of Unit Comendation ribbons and will do custom sets for particular ships. Best regards, Duane Fowler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume