Subject: SMML17/01/99VOL428 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:50:13 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Scharnhorst/Gneisenau 2: Re: 1.1 guns 3: Re: RN Color Chips Please!!! 4: Re: Flagship Models 5: Re: 1.1" Guns 6: Tom's Modelworks kicks ass 7: Floating Drydock 8: Re: RN color Chips 9: Ocean liner Models 10: Re: USS Helena CL-50 Plans 11: Re: 1/700 1.1" guns 12: Gun Mounts 13: Re: Mk 31 directors on USS San Francisco 14: Re: (IJN or RN colour chips first) 15: Re: (Diver Dan) 16: Re: 1.1" AA guns 17: Re: Those 1.1 in Guns ... 18: Re: Kalamazoo Air Museam 19: Re: ship plans 20: USS Arizona 21: Re: Signal Flags -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Chicago Pianos? 2: Re: Missing Snail Mail 3: Re: traders and advertisements -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Scharnhorst/Gneisenau Hello Everyone, I have been started work on my 1/100 Gneisenau, 41/42 apearence. It is based on the Scale Shipyard's Scharnhorst hull, and therin is my problem. I know that there are differences in the bow between the two - the chock at the top being most obvious. Are there other differences in shape, total length, etc.? Does anyone know where there might be a drawing detailing that area on the Gneisenau? Every plan I have covers the Scharnhorst only, and I would like to get this right. Thanks for any help! Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography (Who wishes he was around snapping pictures 50 years ago...maybe if i get a really, really long lens!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: EMSR569@aol.com Subject: Re: 1.1 guns 1.1 guns can be found in skywave kit E-9. Guns that look like 1.1. can also be found in skywave kit 38 which is for japanese ships. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: RN Color Chips Please!!! >> On behalf of all R.N. ship modelers: Please, please, please don't delay the RN chips any longer than is absolutely necessary - we want 'em! We need 'em! The whole subject of R.N. colours in WWII is so complicated and undocumented that paint chips will provide a most essential guide for the serious modeller. << I second that! Finding any reliable information on the schemes used on the RN ships is tough. Even after finding the info, there is no information on the proper mix ratio to get the colors described in the text. PLEASE do the RN colors and follow up with the Japanese colors and if you're not too busy, how about the Kriegsmarine colors. And don't forget about the yellow on those turret tops (I couldn't resist that)!!! Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Flagship Models >> While I am writing can any one put me onto a supplier of current USN 1/700 waterline ship models in either plastic or resin? << >> You could try Pacific Front http://www.pacificfront.com/ , Flagship Models or The Naval Base. You can access them from the Warship site at http://warship.simplenet.com/ & possibly http//Navismagazine.com << I know our name is a bit misleading, but Flagship Models has just ventured into producing model kits. We produce PE details for warships. Our first model will be available very soon of a 1/35 scale Close In Weapon System. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: 1.1" Guns Skywave also has the 1.1" mounts included in their DE kits. Eugene Cammeron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: valiant@home.com Subject: Tom's Modelworks kicks ass Hello all! I just got my U.S.S. Arizona dec.7th in 1/350th from Toms Modelworks yesterday. All I can say is woohoo! It's great! Beautiful castings, great white metal parts, and the photo etch is absolutly amazing! Great service and product! Oh yeah, almost forgot. I ordered the thing the end of December. Its been only 3 weeks! this is amazing because i live in Canada in Ontario. Woohoo! I'm dancing the jig here! I can't wait to get my grubby lil' hands on more..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: valiant@home.com Subject: Floating Drydock Cripes, in my last post I forgot to sign my name in my excitment! Anywho, has anyone had dealings with Floating Drydock? If how was it? I want to order some reference material for my Fletcher and Arizona, but I don't want to risk getting burned. (mainly cause the Canadian dollar blows big time). Thanks for all your help. Did i mention Tom's Modelworks kicks ass? Aaron Propper modeler on the loose -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Dimi Apostolopoulos Subject: Re: RN color Chips John: It would be great if you could give priority to the production of the R.N. paint chips. All R.N. ship modelers have been waiting for something like that to happen for years!!! Are you aware of any revisions or corrections to Alan Raven's list of Munsell matches? There is much debate going on regarding the accuracy of some matches especially for B30, G45, and B55... Dimi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: FOP5@aol.com Subject: Ocean liner Models Hi this is Fop5@aol.com and a subscriber to smml. I enjoy receiving daily upates. Can you please post this . I'm looking for oceanliner models kit of past & present ocenliners and tugs. also model of the Edmond Fitzgerald. Thank you very much and I'm glad that I subsribe to smml it is very helpiful. Regards Carmen J. Balsama Sr. (FOP5@aol.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Helena CL-50 Plans Hi, The Floating Drydock Catalogue-25 lists a 1/192 set of plans for the USS Helena (CL-50) on page 6 for $10.00. Cheers, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/700 1.1" guns Hi SMML, In addition to the 1.1" guns in Tamiya's 1/700 Enterprise kit, you can get them from Skywave's E-9 set (weapons for the US Navy in WWII), and, with a little tweaking, I think you can also use the quad 13mm guns from the Skywave E-2 set (equipment for Japanese ships of WWII). I don't know if the Skywave sets are still in production, but they're surely available somewhere. Cheers, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: AZJOE1445@aol.com Subject: Gun Mounts Hi all, I am planning a diorama of either a 16"/50 or Dual 5"/38 mount in 1/35 scale. My intention is to show a cutaway of the complete mount including all decks and related machinery and equiptment. I have drawings of all the exterior surfaces and Sumralls book The Iowa Class Battleships. Does anyone have or can anyone direct me to a place or person that has either plans or blueprints of the interior spaces that support the above mentioned gun mounts Thanks, Joe Kreutz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Re: Mk 31 directors on USS San Francisco Bruce Do you have Steve Wiper's book on SF's sister ship USS Minneapolis (Warship Pictorial 2)? It has a view looking forward from the fwd Mk 33 and shows the Mk 31 after a Mk 18 radar has been fitted. There are several other photos from further away in the book and general arrangement drawings in 1/350 and 1/700. The Profile Morski on the San Francisco has four view drawings of the mounting in 1/400, which might also help. Finally, there is a photo looking up at the Mk 31 on the New Mexico in Friedman's US Naval Weapons. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Malcolm Batchelor" Subject: Re: (IJN or RN colour chips first) >> That said, we have a question for all assembled (as assembled as a worldwide e-mail group can be): We were planning to release the RN set next, 27 colo[u]rs, probably about the end of June. However...we will have 8 IJN colors in hand by the end of this week (a case of having been loaned the chips and having to get the paint matching done to return the originals in a timely manner). We were planning on doing the IJN, Reggia Marina, and KM chips later this year. Releasing the IJN now might--repeat might--delay the RN set a bit. << John, As much as I am drooling in anticipation for the RN colour chips (and the DKM), I would have to say go ahead and release the IJN chips now, even if it delays the RN and others :(. It sounds like someone was kind enough to lend you their IJN "master" chips for a short time so you might as well go ahead and get those out to take care of all those Yamatoholics and others. I have faith, the rest of the chips I want will be here at some point in time. Anyway, thats my two cents worth. Stuart Batchelor Norman, OK, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Malcolm Batchelor" Subject: Re: (Diver Dan) I was talking to my father who was a young paratrooper stationed at Ft. Bragg, NC in the early 1960's (I was there to, but in that I was in diapers, I don't remember all that much). Anyway, depending on who you listen to, my mother or my father (the story differs a wee bit) my father and his buddies would watch Diver Dan as thier schedules would allow (the 82nd was a little busy back then). They both recall a Baron Baracuda who was one of the bad guys, and a Mermaid who was Diver Dan's side (would she be why all those healthy young paratroopers watched the show? ;). Interested if anyone remembers her name. Stuart Batchelor Norman, OK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: HDente@aol.com Subject: Re: 1.1" AA guns There are also 2 on each of the later Skywave "US Navy Weapons" set. These sets come with Skywave's Cleveland class cruisers, so you have 4 surplus guns when you get either kit as Clevelands only mounted 40mm guns. There is one each on the destroyer escort sprues-either class-from Skywave. With 2 in each box, you could build a Cleveland, 2 destroyer escorts and have 6 1.1" guns left, enough for virtually any prewar or early war project. The weapons sprues are also available separately. They are better than the 1st set, as the guns are closer to scale. Harry Dente -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Re: Those 1.1 in Guns ... Hi everyone The 1.1 in guns (2 per sprue) are in the Pit Road (Skywave) E9 kit (2 sprues per box). Alternately find someone near you who has built the John C Butler / Rudderow / Buckley / Cannon class kits from Skywave - they are alternates or extras on the sprues depending on model / options. John Sutherland Wellington, New Zealand - mid 20 deg C, humid, muggy and in the midst of a total fire ban heatwave of a summer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: VessIrvine@aol.com Subject: Re: Kalamazoo Air Museam >> If you have access to a car, and if the winter weather permits, check out the Kalamazoo Air Museum (popularly known as the "Kazoo Air Zoo") << I was fortunate to visit the Kazoo Air Zoo about 18 months ago. In the shop at the time, undergoing a full restoration, was a real SBD Dauntless divebomber, one I think that saw action at the Coral Sea. I refrained at that time from commenting to the workers on my version of "zinc chromate interior green." They have a very cool flyable Ford Trimotor which is the highlight of the collection (IMHO). A good looking Corsair was there also. Nice model collection too. Regards Vess Irvine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: HDente@aol.com Subject: Re: ship plans Bill: Your best bet is to try Floating Drydock for US warship plans: Get a classmate if necessary, then try to get photographic documentation of the differences. The books "US Battleships of WW 2" and "US Cruisers of WW 2" document intraclass differences. Both are out of print however. The more generic "Cruisers of WW2" and "Destroyers of WW2" are helpful also. Plans from the National Archives are 1) very large-1/92 usually, sometimes bigger! 2) very expensive! my set of ACR-4, USS Brooklyn cost almost $400.00. 3) they take a long, long time to get! In fact, the NA doesn't even do the reproduction or search any more. They will send you a list of approved vendors who will find and copy what you are looking for.Finally, BUSHIPS had a habit of tracing over the older drawings for wartime refits, so the plans would only be available for the last wartime configuration and are sometimes difficult to interpret. That said, their address is National Archives, Plans Division(Warships) GSA, Washington, DC, 20408. Also try Navy History Division, Naval Historical Center, Washington Navy Yard, Washington, DC, 20390, and Official Plans, US Navy Printing and Publications, Washington Navy Yard, Washington, DC 20390. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Hook331@aol.com Subject: USS Arizona Can anyone tell me what the hull and superstructer colors of the USS Arizona were? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Signal Flags Hi All, I have an early printing of Jack Broome's Make Another Signal, and I can't find any signal flags in it. On the other hand, his book Make Another Signal has several color plates with a variety of signal flags. Perhaps more useful would be Barrie Kent's book Signal!, published in 1993 by Hyden House and distributed by Maritime Books. It has a color plate purporting to show all the signal flags in a Royal Navy flag locker in 1940 and in a Nato flag locker in 1990. Beware, though; the plate has some mistakes, as pointed out in an errata sheet glued to the inside of the back cover of the book. Cheers, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re: Chicago Pianos? Hi John, and the group, Well, if one of you guys can get a good set of drawings to us/Brian Fawcett, I PROMISE we we'll do it.. should be a doddle after the 8-Barrelled Pom-Poms! BTW, Rob Mackie mentioned the Kombrig 1/700 pre-dreadnoughts. We still have the following available, having bought a whole bunch in a while back.. We have Petrapavlovsk at 24.00 pounds and Poltava at 16.00 pounds, and Peter Veliiky at 14.00 pounds (1 pounds = approx 1.63 US Dollars). We recommend the Askold detailing set for a load of useful parts if you want to do anything more with them. We also have some nice Russian boats available. Best Regards, Caroline Carter. Business Manager, White Ensign Models, http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "arthur" Subject: Re: Missing Snail Mail A heap of snail mail has gone Awol that was posted from NZ in December. Enough to make the national daily papers. Unfortunately some of it was from me, so if you expected plans, books etc from me to arrive in Dec. or early Jan. and have not received it yet, please drop me a note at arfabuck@ps.gen.nz and I will re-send whatever. Sorry about the delay, it was out of my control. Arthur NZBG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: HDente@aol.com Subject: Re: traders and advertisements The latest Profile Morskie is now available! #13 on the Japanese cruiser Tone, $11.00 + $4.00 postage. Italian destroyer Soldati class, 1/700 scale, Regia Marina kit now available! email for price. Research in Scale, 205 Maryland Ave, Paterson NJ, 07503 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume