Subject: SMML27/01/99VOL438 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:35:10 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Coastal Forces 2: Re: Military technology secrets!! 3: Re: Enterprise References 4: Re: 1/32 PT Boat photoetch 5: Old built-up 1/700 ships -- Valuable? 6: Re: Naval fire control systems 7: Viking Models 8: Thinning Floquil 9: 1/32 PT boat photoetch 10: Re: military secrects 11: Re: Paints 12: Re: Liberty ship 13: Re: Ship's vehicles 14: Re: USS Enterprise references 15: Re: shipboard vehicles 16: Re: Military Technology 17: Austra.... what...? 18: Re: Any color in the universe 19: Re: RMS Olympic Camouflage 20: Re: Enterprise references 21: HMS Ocean Visit 22: Re: Floquil Marine Paints 23: Re: Various 24: Re: German Catapault Ships 25: Re: Two 1/400 Heller's Richelieu? Re-packaged or Modified Version? 26: Various 27: Re: Vehicles carried on board RN ships 28: Re: Drangon 1/350 USS Ingersoll 29: Re: Enterprise References 30: Re: 1/500 Takao 31: HMS Ark Royal WW2 32: re: IJN Haruna, Oi, Gunnery Control Systems 33: Re: Dio-Sol and Acrylics? 34: Re: Ex-Soviet Carriers 35: Re: Oregon Colors 36: Re: Viking Models, resin manufacture query?, Fujimi USS Lexington 37: Re: PT colors 38: Paint Chips Question 39: Re: RMS Olympic colours 40: Books 41: American President Liners -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: cottage-industries.com 2: Virus warning 3: Dockyard Model Company return!! 4: Books for Sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "James M. Pasquill, II" Subject: Re: Coastal Forces Still in business. Try http://www.vbangor.com/coastal/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Re: Military technology secrets!! >> An interesting question has been brought up indirectly about military technology. A person asked a question about laser technology. We should be careful as what were asking as it may reveal something that isn't normally made available. << There is some info on this in the public domain already, so we aren't asking about equipment that's Top Secret! Now, if we were asking about exactly how they do an undersea launch of the Tomahawk, that'd be different, but a general question, with no tech info? >> Take a look at the IPMS (USA) constitution they specifically look out to be sure nothing is printed to endanger national security. I'm not a worrier but because of Monica Lewisky anyone's e-mail can be read by any one on the web if their good enough at operating a computer. CYA. Why not stick to just published public information. << National security? This is an international list, not just USA, and we are talking UK weaponry anyway! Regarding email, it is a non-guaranteed delivery that can be duplicated/intercepted at any point in it's progression, if you know what you're doing. However, there is so much email generated these days, systems can't scan everything! I'm sorry, people, but the comments above just pushed some of my buttons re censorship/US rules the Web We have no rules, and the system works. Why change for the sake of change? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll try & keep on-topic in future. Mike Dunn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" Subject: Re: Enterprise References Colin, Check out http://www.cvan-cvn-65.org/ This is the home page for the USS Enterprise Association, and is where I got my copy of the Detail & Scale. I realize that it's on the wrong side of the Big Water for you, but the book is out of print and it may be the only way to get one. I'm not sure how many they have left, as it now says "Limited Edition" on the order page. Look in "Ships Store" and the item number is 900. They only want $12.00 for it, but I don't know how much shipping will be to the land o' the Scots, they say it depends on weight. You'll have to contact them. They have lots of other interesting Enterprise paraphernalia as well (but no copies of "Air Group Enterprise", alas). Michael Satin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/32 PT Boat photoetch Coastal Forces is the name I use for my ship modeling, ship plan, and related activities. It still exists, but the photo-etch sheet is no longer marketed. To clear up a misconception, the sheet was NOT developed for the Lindberg or Dumas kits; rather, it was developed for a 1/32 scale late-war 80' ELCO that I was commissioned to build. It contained parts for the MK1 roll-off racks, the MK50 rocket launcher, deadlights, radar, hatches, fuel fills, instrument panel, etc. The sheet was about .018" x 8" x 16" and was double-etched. The artwork and negatives are probably still at the etcher's, so if there was enough interest, I could probably get some new sheets. Al Ross 136 West Broadway Bangor, ME 04401 USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Philip Downing Subject: Old built-up 1/700 ships -- Valuable? I have a bunch (over 100) of Waterline Series ship models of Cruisers, Destroyers and Submarines. They are taking up space, and I am wondering if I should try to sell them, give them away, or just dumpsterize them. They are reasonably well done for being 20+ years old, and have been in a cabinet so haven't gotten dusty. Obviousely no photo-etch, and I didn't rig them (that wouldn't have survived). They would be good for wargaming, put does anyone use 1/700 ships in wargaming? Thanks, John Downing P.S. I live in Wahington DC area. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "RLOCKIE" Subject: Re: Naval fire control systems I can recommend John Campbell's Naval Weapons of World War 2 as a good source, but it is out of print and hard to find (although I saw one on White Ensign's website at £75 last week). Friedman's US Naval Weapons covers similar ground for USN fire control systems including WW1 and goes up to guided missiles and is cheaper although I have not seen one for sale for a while. There is often material on specific systems or on the fits of specific ships in journals such as Warship, as well as in the monographs like Anatomy, Ensign, the Steve Wiper books (on USN cruisers) and hopefully, the new Warship Perspectives series. The problem with listing the directors on a certain ship is obviously that they change from time to time and documentation on refits has not always survived. It is relatively easy for the capital ships as there were less of them but with smaller units like destroyers, it is something of a photographic interpretation exercise, assuming that the photos are clear. Not everyone adopted the Mare Island idea of sending a chap up a crane armed with a camera and a bag full of film to snap away at anything naval that he could see from the top. Nevertheless, it is a good idea, although something of a mammoth task to undertake. At least the main battery directors for capital ships did not tend to change much in external appearance other than by the addition of radars, so it is mainly the smaller ones for AA outfits that change frequently. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Viking Models Hi there SMMLlies, Is there anyone out there who knows the status of Viking Models. We have tried to contact them several times over a problem for but no-one is answering. I have been mailing them at Viking@eastland.net (last two times on the 12th and 21st January)and it seems to be getting there, not bouncing back. If anyone can assist or has had better luck getting hold of Mr Slaughter we would be grateful for your help. Cheers! Dave Carter White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Thinning Floquil >> I have used Dio Sol for years. The reason I like it so well is that it thins Lacquer and enamel based paint. I had no idea it would work equally well in Floquil's acrylic colors. The reason I never tried acrylic paint is having to keep two different thinners on my work bench. I guess their line of acrylics is lacquer based like auto acrylic paint. Now that I know this, I'll try them. << Rusty: Dio-sol will work well with any Floquil paint labeled as "Floquil", such as their railroad colors, Military colors, Classic Military colors, and Naval & Maritime colors. It matters not whether the formulation is a Xylene-based lacquer or an acrylic enamel. In fact, airbrushing results were so excellent and unchanged for me that I was unaware that the newer lines of colors were acrylic enamels and were no longer Xylene-based. But, and this is a big but, don't confuse Floquil paint lines with their "Polly S" or "Poly Scale" line of acrylics which are water based. Dio-sol is not on speaking terms with these types of paint. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis (who would cheerfully exchange domiciles with Shane for the next two months.......) Bob, pay for two return tickets & you can :-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: 1/32 PT boat photoetch >> Does anyone know if a company called Coastal Forces located in Bangor Maine is still in business? They had listed a 1/32 scale photoetch set for the Lindberg / Dumas PT boat kit I would like to have. I seem to remember Al Ross was involved with the company.<< "Coastal Forces"" IS Al Ross II. Al is alive and well, modeling prolifically and to very high standards in Bangor, Maine. You can check out Al's Web site at: http://www.vbangor.com/alross/naval.htm, or contact him directly at: ALROSS2@aol.com And ask him about his 8 foot PT boat model...... Bob Steinbrunn (whose front porch is decorated with 28" icicles.....) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: EMSR569@aol.com Subject: Re: military secrects To cbnjbb62, Chill-out! One of the most enjoyable parts of modeling is trying to make a model as accurate as possible. Asking simple questions to help in the building of a model, since most of the answers are already public, will not be of any harm. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Paints If Badger directly matched the Floquil paints in their new line, then they'll still be largely inaccurate in color for the USN. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Liberty ship Skywave has two Liberty kits out in 1/700, available from Pacific Front Hobbies. There are also resin kits available in 1/700 and 1/350. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Ship's vehicles When I served in BAINBRIDGE (1966-70), the ship's jeep accompanied us on WESTPAC deployments. However, it was transported to Subic Bay and back to the West Coast aboard ENTERPRISE, not BAINBRIDGE. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Ian Patrick Johnson Subject: Re: USS Enterprise references I also have the Tamiya Enterprise and been having a heck of a time tracking down good reference material. I'm reconfiguring the ship to match its current modern state. If anybody has any pictures or reference materials I would gladly pay for them. Ian Johnson Washington State University -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Re: shipboard vehicles I ran across a photo the other day of a German motorcycle and sidecar being hoisted aboard a German ship (Tirpitz?). So --- are we going to have to start making 1/700 and 1/350 vehicles? (In Hawaii, where it's cool and stormy: we had a tornado yesterday!) Burl Burlingame Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 A historical interpretation company. Visit our web site at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Military Technology >> An interesting question has been brought up indirectly about military technology. A person asked a question about laser technology. We should be careful as what were asking as it may reveal something that isn't normally made available. << If someone on this list has access to classified information, I would agree with Craig. We certainly don't want to endanger either national security or especially the servicepeople of our respecitive nations. That said, I highly doubt those with a security clearence would violate thier oaths in this forum. There is room for some speculation, particularly on external characteristics of warships. If it is on the outside of a ship, it is "public". I have toured a lot of ships, and never been denied permission to photograph anything on the outside. Once, when on the deck of a SSN, I was asked not to photograph a particular exposed mast, which I of couse complied with. For the most part, the information we need to produce accurate models will do no harm to any navy. In the US, if you have a question about a particular sensor that is not answered in available literature, you can always try contacting the public affairs office of the Navy. I have found them most helpful. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: CHRIS DRAGE Subject: Austra.... what...? Hi Shane, >> Welcome to the Australia Day edition of SMML, I hope all those who celebrated Australia Day had a good time. << Austra....where's that Shane? :-) Oh, it's just this side of Heaven :-) Anyone, even the Wizard of Aus himself, who even dares to mention that he is... " basking in 25-30C degree sunshine, five minutes drive from the beach & three minute walk to the lake" ......deserves a BIG FAT Raspberry!! Splpppppppppppplpppplplll! Regards, Chris Cold grey and miserable in Shepherds Bush. He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo.... (Te reo Maori) Ah now, we wouldn't be jealous by any chance now, would we!! :->> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: JGordon262@aol.com Subject: Re: Any color in the universe Mr. Vimieraa is standing on the verge of a color epiphany. He has realized that it is possible to make any color from three fundmental colors, red, blue, and yellow, and two auxilliaries, black and white. What I think is holding him back is a left brain (or is it right brain?) notion of formulas- that some exact formula will yield an exact match to a WW2 ship color. I think that will yield much frustration. Rather, use your eyes (what you see) in conjunction with your brain (what you want to see) to mix a color that looks right, based on your references, of course. After all, the factoring in of weathering, bleaching, scale effect, and light source render any formulaic methods moot. IMHO, this caveat emptor holds as well for the reference of paint chips. While perfectly usable as 1:1 references, their value diminishes as model scale is reduced because of the white that must be mixed in to give proper scale effect. But the trained eye can use these chips to quickly imagine the scale effect colors needed, and the contrast between them- to me that is their real value. So, Mr. V, get yourself a palatte and start mixing. I think you will find the results fascinating. Jim Alameda, Ca. Its raining. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: RMS Olympic Camouflage Hello, >> First off, a fellow APMA member would like to know where he can find stbd views of the RMS Olympic in dazzle camo in WW1.<< Ah, the old starboard side question. There were at least three schemes used on the Olympic during the war. The first was to paint the white portions grey and the funnels charcoal. The second was a rather angular dazzle scheme and the third was a more flowing dazzle scheme. There are photographs of both sides in the first two schemes, but the third scheme has photos of only the port side and a partial of the aft starboard side. There is a water color painting of the Olympic in the first dazzle scheme, also. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "mkrumrey" Subject: Fw: Enterprise Shane, this wasn't able to get through to Colin: Could you post it on SMML? Thanks Mark Krumrey New Richmond WI ---------- From: mkrumrey Subject: Re: Enterprise references Hi Colin: You could try Squadron Mail Order, or scrounge the local hobby shops. I have one that I could send you, along with a portion of the Green document protector material that I used for the bridge windows. As on the actual ship the windows are noticeably tinted. Also, a few things with the kit. The forward hawse holes are lacking. These are where the mooring lines are let out. There is an article in an FSM, I can dig up for you too, that tells how the modeller made them. I used his method and was successful, and it really adds to t he overall appearance. You will need the Gold Model PE Brass set for it, and I would highly recommend two sets of his ship decals in 1/350 scale, as the foul line for the main deck is not represented on the flight deck, and you will have to add that. I used his decals to good effect. The forward foul lines are molded in correctly, but there are none on the main deck. Sadly, Detail and scale doesn't really show the exact location of the foul line. There is a Challenge publication out there that featured the Enterprise and the modeller could divine where the foul line went from some of the photo's in it. I had it, but it is no longer in my possesion. If all of this interests you, I could take a photo of my completed model, and send them along. I also "Scratch built" a LSO platform. Kinzey really slams the Tamiya kit, and sometimes justifiably so, but...it isn't that bad. There are a few inaccuracies, but only in small details such as the aft port CIWS mount. I built it per kit. I have seen the model done with the correct mount, and it really doesn't detract from the overall effect to do it per kit. It is a mighty impressive sight when completed. I think I have been in correspondence with you previously about it. I also scrounged some chaff dispensers from an old Revell 1/350 modern New Jersey, that I am cobbling for parts and put them in their proper locations. The CIWS mount by the island could use some work too, but again, SOB, and it looks fine. Before I forget, you will need to get some press-on letters for the USS ENTERPRISE CVN-65 wording on the front of the bridge, and "THE BIG E' on the back of the bridge. I used some thin strip plastic to make the flourescent lights in the number too. I also cut out three of the eleveator openings and put a "hangar deck" on the thing. It really adds to the overall effect. I put a couple of airplanes in each opening too. I have seen where one modeller put an authentic hangar deck in it. All the bracing, piping, warning signs, etc. It looks neat, when you look at it with a mag light and magnifying glass, but a lot of time spent on something that is covered up and hidden. I liked my approach, and felt justified after seeing the "fully detailed" hangar. Anyway, I am getting a bit winded here, so if this interests you, I can get cracking and get some photos and send you the aforementioned stuff. Mark Krumrey New Richmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: HMS Ocean Visit Hi Chaps, Prompted by Ed Gruner and a few other SMMLlie folk, here is a report of our visit to HMS Ocean. A couple of weeks ago, a very excited Peter Hall phoned us up, begging us to come and visit for TWO very good reasons. 1. HMS Ocean was being adopted by the City of Sunderland and would be paying a visit, and we could get on board and 2. One of the WEM illustrators, David Warden, who lives in Washington (the original one, that is..) was having a Burns night... well, we couldn't say no, so off we trogged to the chilly North-East of England.... Well, kilts aplenty amongst the Scottish attendees, haggis, tatties and neeps, and rather prodigious quantities of Single Malt Whisky (14 types at last count!) found their way down our necks... usual stuff.. enuff said about Saturday night! Sunday PM saw the wind gusting fitfully, with too little sun, and too much cloud for my liking, as we drove into Sunderland. First glimpses of the ship were promising.. first glimpses of the queues filled one with a definite sense of deja vu... memories of Festival of the Sea and Sunday's 3 1/2 hour long queue for HMS Invincible.... luckily, we had actually walked straight on to that ship shortly after the gates opened on the Friday... Actually, we queued for around 1 1/2 hours for HMS Ocean in the end but with the temperature only a few degrees above freezing, and with Peter Hall's 2 small children in tow, it seemed like six! The photos are useful from our point of view, for small and useful details, but as it gets dark so much earlier up North, and we didn't get on this beast till half past three, the quality isn't up to my usual standard, and you could only get exterior shots of her rather brick-shaped stern profile and short sections of her starboard side due to its close proximity. For those of you who don't know, HMS Ocean is the latest ship to join the fleet. She is an LPH (Landing Platform Helicopter), a modest 21,578 tonnes and 208 metres long (for our non-decimal friends out there, a metre meas-ures three foot three, it's lon-ger than a yard you see!). She has a beam of 34.4metres, and a draught of 6.6m. She carries a compliment of 284. Being a "Grunt Carrier", i.e. amphibious assault/transport ship, she is only lightly armed, with 3 x 20mm Vulcan Phalanx, and 30mm BMARC Twins. She is capable of carrying 12 x HC4 Seakings, and 6 x Lynx AH7 or 6 x Gazelles, or it can carry 12 x Sea Harriers in its ferry role. The ship's primary role is to carry an Embarked Military Force with the afore-mentioned air support, and 4 x LCVP Mk 5 landing craft. Secondary roles include a limited ASW platform and a base for anti-terrorist operations. The first thing that strikes you is the hydraulically operated starboard side loading ramp, wide enough for the largest vehicles to drive aboard. This leads into the aft portion of the ship, which is almost 1/2 its length, and seems to have quite a bit more ceiling height than Invincible. A great selection of deck handling vehicles, cranes etc. are on display.. all mint and unused.. the place smells warmly of rubber and electrics. We make our way across to the forward section... a huge aircraft lift can be seen above.. unlike Invincible, which has a (not desparately reliable!) hydraulic system with wishbone mechanisms, this is operated by chains, rather like a huge forklift. There are no aircraft repair facilities on board, just a large hangar stetching forward, almost, it seems, to the bows.. a Gazelle and a Seaking are on display, and Royal Marines are everywhere. Up on deck, of course, what strikes you most is the absence of a ski-jump.. this somehow foreshortens the length of the deck considerably. Also, the masts are so short and dumpy, that the overall impression of superstructure and deck is more like you are standing on a merchant ship rather than a warship.. which, at the end of the day, is what for me, really distinguishes this ship from the Invincible Class. Anyhow, we look forward to hopefully paying a Summer visit to this ship at the next Festival of the Sea in a couple of years time. As for a kit.. well, we now have drawings and we also have enough photos to fill in those missing details.. 1/700 Scale .. mebbe one day if we get enough interest! Cheers! Caroline Carter White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Re: Floquil Marine Paints Greetings OK, I am about to come out of the closet. I do not own an airbrush. I know, I know I must be a pervert who kicks small innocent animals; however, in spite of that, what is the thinner of choice, in strictly hand brushing applications, for the subject paints recently acquired from ModelExpo? These are the modern naval ship colors, which I assume are not acrylics. And I did not buy any DioSol, but do have regular paint thinner and mineral spirits at hand." The world wonders" Gene P.S. I am still getting "incoming" due to the extremely low sense of humor vis a vis my recent model/paint/PE purchases over the holidays/birthday. Crikey, if we just got a larger home, there really wouldn't be a problem!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Re: Various >> Shane (basking in 25-30C degree sunshine, five minutes drive from the beach & three minute walk to the lake) << Well, I suppose they have to be proud of something down under!! Just joking, mate. Pure jealousy, that's all!! After this ex-Texan (Gulf Coast) spent this early AM chipping ice off of his New Jersey windshield (windscreen?). But the really fun part is that I can do it all over again in the morning! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Re: German Catapault Ships I agree. Most informative, please continue. Did the German Navy have any operational aircraft, or did the Luftwaffe control everything with props and wings? Were BV 138s flown by Luftwaffe or Keiegsmarine crews? Were they actually hoisted aboard the tenders as done for PBMs in the USN? Always had a soft spot for flying boats, especially the prewar jobs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Two 1/400 Heller's Richelieu? Re-packaged or Modified Version? >> I saw two boxes of 1/400 Heller's Richelieu (& also same for Prinz Eugen), distinct with different box design & code number. Could anybody please tell me that are they being re-packaged or modified with new parts? If they are all modified version, which parts of the kits are changed? << IIRC, these two kits are identical except for the inclusion of paints & glue for the younger modellers. I know they do this with other kits, but had not noticed it in the new catalog. The other possibility is that one is an old release from a few years ago and the other is a "NEW" kit reissued this year. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Rob & Heather Weilacher Subject: Various Hello, I have heard/read various "roumors" over the past year and wonder if anyone knows any more info on any of them: 1. Recently, in SMML, serveral e-mails have mentioned Skywave IJN cruisers (Atago and Takao I think) in 1/700 as well as a Benson-Livermore DD. Where does this information come from and when MIGHT we expect them (keeping in mind how long the Cleveland/Liberty kits took)? 2. There was some talk of Hasegawa re-mastering the 1/700 Iowa BB's and Lexington/Saratoga (previously by Fujimi), is this history now? 3. What is a good book on IJN CV's and especially CVL's? One with good diagrams and possibly color/painting info if possible - Japanese text might even be OK? Thanks, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "J. Lamontagne" Subject: Re: Vehicles carried on board RN ships I was in various Royal Canadian Navy destroyers and frigates from 1948 to 1973... We usually had a Jeep on board to help pick up mail and do various other chores. The vehicle (painted navy blue) was usually stowed anywhere on the upper deck where it would fit. A nice addition to a model??? I'm sure the RN did the same. Sometimes, there was a canvas cover... John Lamontagne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Drangon 1/350 USS Ingersoll >> I also just aquired the Dragon(DML) 1/350 USS Ingersoll in a club raffle. What's it like? << You will probably get many responses on this one, but I have only built the USS Bunker Hill(I am told it is on the cover of the Feb issue of SSM although I have not received a copy since Nov for some strange reason and they don't seem to answer emails) I do have an opened Ingersoll sitting above my bench waiting to be built that looks pretty nice. I enjoyed building the BH, but I did a fair amount of detailing and replaced some parts, as much as I had research for. Get a decent set of PE and I think you'll like the like. > Shane (basking in 25-30C degree sunshine, five minutes drive from the beach & three minute walk to the lake) < I'm jealous. Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Enterprise References >> As some of you will remember, my wife gifted me the Tamiya Enterprise for my Xmas,(no my wonderful wife is not available for hire!), I've been trying with no real success to track down a copy of the "Detail and Scale - Enterprise" on this side of the pond (UK), so have any of you got a copy yopu'd be willing to part with. Or do you know anywhere that might have one on the shelf, many thanks Colin Ritchie Aberdeen (Dull, overcast dry 7-9C, overlooking the airport as I am the sky is full of Tornado's and Nimrod's Yum...) << Good luck, the Enterprise D&S is out of print. Osprey published Airwing Enterprise and it is also out of print. Either book would be a big asset. If you can't find a copy, I could send you a photocopy if you like (not as good, but better than nothing). Check out http://www.djaymedia.com/cvn65/ for some model shots. Darren Scannell (All this talk of the weather is depressing, I try not to think about it when I'm in my model cave, as my wife calls it after reading men are from mars or something like it) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: jakloek@kodak.com Subject: Re: 1/500 Takao From: James Kloek There are now two excellent references on this class of cruiser. The Anatomy of the Ship volume on the Takao, and the much larger and more comprehensive Japanese Cruisers of WWII. The Anatomy book particularly has all the drawings and plans you should need, and has them for three different time periods. This is the first I've heard of Skywave producing a Takao, is this just a rumor? If it is true, it figures, since I have just spent several months (I build slowly, but I do build) reworking the old Aoshima kit into something more closely resembling Takao in 1944. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Shane Subject: HMS Ark Royal WW2 Another request from fellow APMA member Peter Mitchell. What colours did the Ark Royal wear during the Spanish Neutrality patrol. Also did she have any major refits between when she was launched & when she was sunk which involved major structual changes. Also any comments on the Revell 1/720 kit would also be appreciatted. Thanks Shane (overcast & humid at the moment 25C) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32:) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: re: IJN Haruna, Oi, Gunnery Control Systems My first contributions to this fine forum (it's so nice to know I'm not the last of my kind). Re: Haruna, aside from confirming it came with the J sprue after checking my waterline version, this seems a good opportunity to ask whether anyone can confirm that the late war Kongo and Haruna had plated over the deleted 14 cm secondary battery casemates. Both Hasegawa and Fujimi versions only delete the guns. If the casemates are plated, do you know whether the plating was recessed into the casemate opening or flush with edge of the top decking. The best photographic evidence (albeit, inconclusive) I have access to is MaruSpecial # 20, pp. 65-66 and cover, which depicts Haruna from starboard side and sunk at anchor @ Kure late in 1945. The casemates show as clearly outlined shadows but there is no clue to their depth. re: Oi and her torpedo tubes. Lacroix and Wells "Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War" (reference books don't get better than this, and what a dandy doorstop to boot!) is quite definite on the modifications to Oi and Kitakami. pp. 212-215 cite Type 92 Model 3 shielded mounts. My understanding is that this research is drawn heavily from original Japanese sources which are listed in the book's extensive bibliography. Of course, this begs the question of what it is that Skywave knows that others don't. Anybody in close enough contact with Skywave to ask? Finally, re: Naval Gunnery Fire Control Systems. At least for IJN warships, I would again recommend both Lacroix and Wells (a good example is coverd pp. 233-235 under armament modernization in the "A" class cruisers) as well as Evans & Peattie's "Kaigun" (see Chapter 8 Outranging the enemy). Okay, that's enough. I'm headed into esoteric oblivion here. Hope this was helpful to someone. Dan Kaplan, New York City (evening, clear & dry, 38*F) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: "mike.leonard" Subject: Re: Dio-Sol and Acrylics? Rusty noted: >> I have used Dio Sol for years. The reason I like it so well is that it thins Lacquer and enamel based paint. I had no idea it would work equally well in Floquil's acrylic colors.<< I've used Dio-Sol for many years with all sorts of enamels, but it's a petroleum-based solvent. Is it really useable with hobby acrylics, which I've only seen as water-based paints? Mike L Alexandria, VA (gray skies, 45F, no beaches but a 10 minute drive to the Washington Beltway) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: "mike.leonard" Subject: Re: Ex-Soviet Carriers The Washington Post carried a story yesterday that the ex-Soviet carriers Minsk and Varyag have been bought by Chinese commercial developers to be turned into floating amusement parks for tourists, complete with game rooms, hotels, helicopter rides, etc. Hardly the Queen Mary, though! Mike L Alexandria, VA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Oregon Colors Jon: I used Modelmaster Flat White for the hull above the waterline, Gunze Sangyo H327 Red (FS11136) for the hull below the waterline and Polly S Earth Yellow for the superstructure, mast and funnels. The pilot house is Humbrol Dark Earth, and gun barrels are Modelmaster Gun Metal. I oversprayed the red with Gunze Sangyo Flat. I'm very pleased with the result. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: Chris Neel Subject: Re: Viking Models, resin manufacture query?, Fujimi USS Lexington For those who might be interested: Below is a response I received from Viking Models for an inquiry I made about their upcoming release of their 1/700 USS New York: >> The 1/700th New York that we are releasing will not include the Flagship bridge from the Texas kit. We are still in the process of deciding to release the option on full hull or waterline, at this time, it is a full hull version. We are expected to start shipping this kit out mid-February. Teresa N. Slaughter VP Operations Viking Models 1005 West 7th Street Cisco, TX 76437 Phone 254-442-1474 Fax 254-442-3270 << I personally will try and convert it to the USS Texas in waterline form.... Being that I grew up near Houston and have visited her many times while growing up, but have yet to see her since she was overhauled several years ago - something I plan to do within the next couple of weeks.... Anyway, one question that I have, being new to the Resin Model Ship realm, how is it those who supply these kits determine what ships to model? I know that on a very recent order I made to White Ensign Models, I included a personal wish list of Royal Navy Ship models I would like to see (1/700 HMS Eagle - WWII a/c carrier, HMS Ark Royal - WWII a/c carrier and one of either the HMS Courageous or HMS Glorious, also of the WWII era), Caroline Carter was nice enough to state that my wishes were noted for future production plans.... Can anybody say what kind of demand warrants a resin model ship production run? Do they ever do any kinds of surveys or do they just note customer requests? There are several other candidates I would love to cast my vote for..... One other question - I'm planning on converting the Fujimi USS Lexington to her as launched configuration with the original narrow bow and flight deck. Anyone have any technique suggestions as to how to cut down the existing wide deck supports and filling in the bow to the narrow form? Many thanks.... later cn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: PT colors A while back, someone raised the issue of "Robin's Egg Blue" used on PTs in the Med, and we thrashed it around for a while without coming to any firm conclusion except that it might have been USN Intermediate Blue as used on aircraft. Well, I've recently been in touch with a group restoring PT-309, and it seems that boat served in the Med, and was always painted in pre-war #5 Standard Navy Gray (according to the restoration group and confirmed by Al Ross' _Allied Coastal Forces_). As my partner Randy Short and I kicked this around the other night, Randy suddenly suggested that perhaps this was the elusive "Robin's Egg Blue." He may be right. #5 Standard Navy Gray is not a purple-blue, it is a blue (Munsell 10B 6.5/1.5). For those of you who have our USN Paint Chip Set 1, look at that chip in solation from the other chips (put papers over the others to mask them off) and you'll see. So, for whoever asked the question, my current bet is that "Robin's Egg Blue" was in fact #5 Standard Navy Gray. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) From: "Sean D. Hert" Subject: Paint Chips Question Hi All- I am new to this list, and to scale modeling; you guys are a wealth of info! My question is about paint chips- I assume you use them to mix your own paints, and then match to the "chip". If this is correct, how do you know the mixed wet paint will match the dry "chip"? I know a number of paints I have used look very different wet than dry. Thanks, Sean D. Hert Webmeister, MBG Site: http://www.netwalk.com/~popev/bg/ IJN Mogami (Fitting Out) "Black holes are where God divided by zero." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 39) From: FOP5@aol.com Subject: Re: RMS Olympic colours RMS. Olymic paint scheme you can possiable get it from the Titanic Historical society at www.Titanic1.org/ this is for her paint job of WW1. To help hide her shape to the germans sub. I 'am a member of the soceity but the only thing I have is out of a book from them and it is a painting contact they maybe they can help you If want you can contact at FOP5@aol.com if I can help you with anything else to help you Regards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 40) From: Donald Bridge Subject: Books Hi gang Does anybody have the ISBNs handy for the Ian Allen, Modern Combat Ships series. I've searched a few of the on-line stores for the titles but have so far drawn a blank. Don Bridge Sarajevo, Bosnia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 41) From: "A. Ellefsen" Subject: American President Liners Remember the Transpacific liners President Cleveland and President Wilson? I am still in fond posession of my President Cleveland, bought at a local bookstore some 28 years ago. She even has most of her masts intact. Time has come to restore her and correct all the mistakes form childhood ignorance. Does anyone know the original color scheme? Masts, decks, boot topping, anti-fouling, hatches, winches etc. I visited the ship several times but I was only a kid and I do not remember. The few photos I have are black-and white. 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After a 10-year absence from the market, Dockyard Model Company has returned with the Admiralty Brand Rigging Line. "Old-timers" will remember it as the finest quality, true-scale, rigging line available. Used by virtually every museum and professional at the time. Hand-made on a traditional rope walk, it is without a doubt the best you will find. For more information go to: http://www.modelersboatyard.com/Fittings/admiralty_brand_rigging_line.htm Tony The Modelers Boatyard The Internet's Largest, Most Complete Ship Modelers Resource www.modelersboatyard.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Derek Frost Subject: Books for Sale Following books for sale. Prices quoted in $U.S. Postage extra:- “JANE’S FIGHTING SHIPS 1996-97” Ed. Capt. R.Sharpe, RN. 1996. hc. 902pp. 100’s b/w photos and drawings & some color photos. as new. $85.00 “MOUNTAINEER BATTLEWAGON. U.S.S. WEST VIRGINA (BB-48). M.Smith,jr. sc. 48pp. 55 photos & scale drawings plus color ship profiles. as new. $8.00 “THE NAVAL INSTITUTE GUIDE TO WORLD NAVAL WEAPONS SYSTEMS 1991/92”. N.Friedman. 1991. hc. 859pp. Heavily ill.. with more than 1300 photos & line drawings many never before published. Describes every shipboarad & naval-related system in service & under evelopment unless classified. $26.00 Can supply more info if required. Derek Frost -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume