Subject: SMML01/02/99VOL443 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:37:52 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: the railroad paint chip. 2: Re: Aircraft Carrier Under Sails 3: Re: RN Paint and Lasers 4: Re: Aircraft Carrier Under Sails 5: Re: Torpedo Boat V-108 6: Re: Detail vs. the whole picture 7: Re: Arizona colors: 8: Favorite Web Sites 9: Re: Aircraft Carrier Under Sail 10: Re: CV with Sails 11: Re: USS Santa Fe 12: Re: CV under sail 13: Re: Military technology secrets 14: WW1 Subchasers (wooden) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WEM Webpage update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CaptainOD@aol.com Subject: Re: the railroad paint chip. I would also like a copy, tried to email off list but would not connect. By the way, whats this snow and ice stuff you guys are always talking about? Down here in Fort Lauderdale home of today's superbowl, we don't have similar words like that in our vocabulary. You will have to provide translations, are they anything like warm sun, sandy beaches and balmy breezes? Bob O'Donovan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Aircraft Carrier Under Sails Dear Falk: The ship involved is the USS Intrepid. In February 1944 the Intrepid was a part of raiding task force on Turk Island and was damaged by a torpedo bomber jamming the rudder and due to strong weather and wind the ship was aimed at Japan so the captain had the crew rig up a sail to counter this and she returned to Pearl Harbor. As far as Chris Drag's statement goes I have no idea but I did think it was Polynesian. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: Re: RN Paint and Lasers Folks: Since I started this thread, I'd thought I'd end it as well! Thanks to all who responded concerning my questions about the low-viz paint applied to the fore- and mainmasts of RN Type 42s following the Falklands conflict. Likewise, thanks to those who answered my query concerning laser dazzlers used by the RN in that conflict. As to the possibility that the latter question could prompt respondents to violate secrecy agreements with current or former employers (a concern raised by one list subscriber); while I think this is indeed a valid concern, I also think that the responses by SMML list members--which were very general in nature and of a non-technical character--should allay those concerns. I trust that list members who have signed secrecy agreements with their respective governments will honor these agreements. But I think that such concerns should not prevent us from engaging in generally non-technical discussions of issues that are of interest to modelers and military enthusiasts, and I got the sense from the responses my query elicited that many SMML subscribers agree with me on this point. I look forward to many more informative discussions on related topics in the future. And let me take this occassion to thank Shane for doing such a fine job as listmaster! Keep up the good work! Yours truly, Michael Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: BBara25623@aol.com Subject: Re: Aircraft Carrier Under Sails As to which essex class carrier it was,the 2 most heavily damaged were the USS Franklin and the Uss Bunker Hill. In both cases,an air strike was sitting on the deck ,fully loaded with fuel and ordinance when the kamikazes struck. Both carriers were able to return to safety but with very heavy loss of life Hope this helps Ben -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Darek Lipinski Subject: Re: Torpedo Boat V-108 Hi All, Falk, I think Geoff got his model from the Digital Navy website, address below. http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/6942/ Regards Darius -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Jens H. Brandal" Subject: Re: Detail vs. the whole picture Bob, That one earned you the 1999 SMML Superbowl! Jens (still wiping tears form his eyes) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: RKennedyCo@aol.com Subject: Re: Arizona colors: To HOOK331, You dont mention what time period you are interested in, but, assuming that you want 7 Dec 41, her colors were in MS 1. This is dark gray on hull and superstructure up to the level of the funnel top. Light gray above the funnel top. the steel decks of the superstructure were deck blue. The wooden decks were natural teak. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: RCClem@aol.com Subject: Favorite Web Sites Hello y'all: I recently suffered an email meltdown. After repeat dialing FOREVER, and spending 45 minutes with America-On-Hold, they told me my telephone line was corrupt. This was BS, so she then convinced me to delete all of AOL from my hard drive and reinstall it. So it works nicely now. BUT That means I deleted all of my email addresses. I can take care of that. But worse, I've lost all of my favorite web sites. I have re-found: WEM USS-Salem Warship USNI These all have links to other sites, but I'd like to test your recommendations. You don't need to answer to this posting directly, but as you make your other contributions to SMML, please add one of your favorite web pages for me (and all of us) to check out. Thanks to all of you, Roger Clemens Hinsdale, Illinois -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: RLapadura@aol.com Subject: Re: Aircraft Carrier Under Sail Hi, I know you'll get lot's of responses back for this one, but since I know the answer (one of the few), I had to respond. The carrier in question was the USS Intrepid, CV-11. I can't remember the particulars, but the ship had been hit by a torpedo which damaged her rudder. The sail was used to help steer and not for propulsion. I think the "sail" was rigged under the flight deck forward. I hope others can fill in the rest. Bob LaPadura Pres - NJIPMS PS The Intrepid is now a floating museum in NYC. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Michael Connelley Subject: Re: CV with Sails Hello: I sounds like the ship you're describing is the USS Ben Franklin (CV-13). She took several Kamakazi hits while sailing near Japan and had heavy casualties on board. Despite the damage she did manage to limp back to her home port of New York. I don't remember hearing about sails being rigged on her, but given the beating she took I wouldn't be surprised. Cheers Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Re: USS Santa Fe Santa Fe had the round bridge (the square was introduced with CL64 Vincennes) according to Whitley's Cruisers of WW2. Colour scheme is more difficult. The ship was certainly painted in an overall dark measure (probably Measure 11 as the ship still has both catapults in the photo and one was landed later in the war) at one stage but Del Palmieri's articles in Scale Models do not quote a dazzle scheme in his list of dazzle camouflage assignments for US vessels so Ms 21 or Ms 22 seems the best bet for 1945. Perhaps someone else can be more definite on this point. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Jowfx@webtv.net (John Fox) Subject: Re: CV under sail A few years ago I was visiting the USS Intrepid here in New York. They have former crewmembers as guides and when I was on the bridge, one of these men was in the middle of a story about how the ship was damaged and the captain ordered a makeshift sail set to assist in manuevering. I don't remember all the details as he related them, but I do remember that all the people there were riveted to this man's story (including me). The following is from "The Essex Class Carriers" by Andrew Falton. On the night of 12 Feb 44, "a small group of radar-equipped Japanese aircraft moved in on the INTREPID, bombed, and scored a hit with a torpedo on her starboard side aft, about 15 ft below the waterline. Five men were killed in the explosion and her rudder was jammed hard to port. INTREPID fought off the remaining attackers and retired to Eniwetok at 20 knots, accompanied by the CABOT and other escorts. Captain Thomas L. "Tommy" Sprague was able to steer her by revving the port engine while idling the starboard screws. As he recalled later: "She was a like a giant pendulum, swinging back and forth. She had a tendency to weathercock into the wind...turning her bow towards Toyko, but right then I wasn't interested in going in that direction". Later, a makeshift sail of hatch covers was rigged on the forecastle at the hangar deck level to help reduce the strain on the screws, and wind resistance was created by spotting all aircraft forward and all cargo aft, to keep the stern low in the water. Keeping anything like a straight course was out of the question and the Intrepid made up her own zig-zag pattern as she worked her way erratically back to Pearl. After temporary repairs, she proceeded on to Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard in Bremerton, Washington." John Fox -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Re: Military technology secrets Craig, No harm done, either side. If I'm in the area, I'll hold you to that beer! Cheers, Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Craig Brown" Subject: WW1 Subchasers (wooden) I should like to subscribe and am wondering if anyone can provide information about WW 1 Sub Chasers (wooden). I have a Glenco model I would like to build. Craig Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: WEM Webpage update Hi Guys Well, finally I got the WEM 1/700 HMS Edinburgh 1939 pages up and running. I haven't done the instruction sheet scans yet as Dave has only reached page 12. These will follow. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/kits700.htm Also, I finally did a radical work of the WEM 1/350 HMS Hood pages... the pages will now download much faster than before... if you want to check out details of this kit, and Dave and myself's story of her tragic end, then please go along to http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/wemhood/hoodinfo.htm A brand new feature I have written is based on letters and photos received from a customer of ours, Dave Weldon. He has built the WEM 1/350 HMS Hood to an incredible standard... one of these days we will go up to Cheshire and take photos ourselves. There is a link at the end of the preceding page but you can go direct to it by clicking on the link below: http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/wemhood/weldon.htm I THINK that's it for now! BTW, thanks to Chris Drage for his amusing post... I didn't know he'd got in him.. tee hee! Cheers! Caroline Carter Business Manager, White Ensign Models, http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume