Subject: SMML06/02/99VOL448
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 04:01:48 +1100

shipmodels@tac.com.au

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MODELLERS INDEX

1: Re: WEM 1/600 Resin Parts
2: Dutch book
3: Re: White Ensign 1/600 Resin Parts
4: Re: North Carolina
5: Airfix 1/600 Suffolk
6: Re: "Lost" Ensigns
7: Re: ARIZONA colors
8: Re: White Ensign 1/600 Resin Parts
9: Tauro 1/400 R.N Zara
10: Re: Airfix Repulse
11: Re: White Ensign 1/600 Resin Parts - PLEASE!!
12: Re: good contemporary naval writings
13: Re: WW1 subchaser
14: Re: RN Books
15: Re: Airfix HMS Repulse
16: Re: White Ensign 1:600 parts
17: Re: Battleship books
18: Re: Favorite Web Sites
19: Re: Virginia Class SSN

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX

1: Special Price

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MODELLERS

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1)
From: Felix Bustelo <Felix.Bustelo@ny.frb.org>
Subject: Re: WEM 1/600 Resin Parts

 Well, as you all probably know by now, I am a big fan of 1/600 scale models and I would love to see anything that would help improve models in that scale.

 WEM has done an excellent job in providing PE sets in this scale for Airfix kits and recently Dave and Caroline have released an excellent anti-aircraft weapon set (designed by Peter Hall) my favorite scale. It contains the components to build 3 Vickers quad 0.5in guns, 2 quad 2-pounder pom-poms and 2 eight barreled 2-pounder pom-poms. For a review check out my site International Maritime Modeling

 http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm

 Also, WEM is planning to release PE sets for the Airfix Warspite, Belfast and Hood, which will contain PE versions of these guns.

 While these guns are not the easiest to build, the quality is excellent. Resin castings of these guns will probably be an easier to use alternative to the PE versions. 

 I for one would love to see 1/600 resin aircraft to replace the ones in the kits and to add a few more to the Ark Royal's flight deck.

 Thanks
 Felix Bustelo (where it is finally sunny in NYC but with a nasty wind chill)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2)
From: "Kim Tomlinson" <K@ktom.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Dutch book

 Is there anyone in the Netherlands who could help me trace a Dutch book.
  
 K Tomlinson.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3)
From: "joseph w. reyna" <reyna@spawar.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: White Ensign 1/600 Resin Parts

 Regarding Art's request for interest in a potential WEM development/issue of 1/600 resin parts....

 Let's see, how can I put this.......<ahem>......<cough, cough>.......

 YES!!

 YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.......Oh, PLEASE, WEM, PUH-LEESE say you'll issue 1/600 scale resin parts!!!!!

 We underpriveleged 1/600 scale junkies have only been able to stare jealously at the wealth of after-market goodies that the 1/700 community have enjoyed - dare we hope that WEM might take up the cause of this abused, misunderstood, and sullied minority that is the 1/600 scale community?

 (think I need the theme from "Brian's Song" playing in the background)

 We of fading eyesight can never hope to deal with the tiny details that make up the 1/700 kits -- 1/600 for me personally represents the smallest scale I can work with without losing what eyesight (not to mention sanity) I have left -- yes, even with lighted magnification lenses.  I fully appreciate the virtual artistic beauty in a 1/700 kit and/or diorama, and I'd love the opportunity to attempt at a duplicate level of achievement in 1/600 scale.  

 There are a lot of kits out there (including a LOT of aircraft carrier kits, so how about a 1/600 AIRSTRIKE line WEM....nudge, nudge, wink wink?)

 Seriously, Caroline & other wonderful WEM-folk, please give this consideration, and know you'll have at least one eager customer here in the states, two with Art.  What say ye, Felix, you and the other 1/600 folk joining in this -- your voices would really help here!

(Gingerly stepping off my soapbox)

 Joe Reyna

 Ps: Oh, and by the way

>> SMML - Made With Apple Power PC <<

 Right ON, Apple Bro' --- G3 RULES !!!!!!!

 Ah, sorry to burst the bubble, but SMML is now compiled on a PC, since I started doing it ;-).

 Shane
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4)
From: Gene Larson <genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org>
Subject: Re: North Carolina

 I just visited the battlesip North Carolina on Tuesday. A very impressive site, and they are doing a great preservation job. It was worth wading through river flood water to get to the visitor's center and on to the ship. It is worth an out of the way trip to Wilmington to see the ship.

 It is also worth a trip to Patriot's Point outside of Charleston to see the Carrier Yorktown and the other vessels moored with her. It is a very fitting tribute to WWII naval heroes.

 Gene Larson
 Nautical Research Guild.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5)
From: Boris Pelmenstein <boris_p@netvision.net.il>
Subject: Airfix 1/600 Suffolk

 Hello!

 I am new to this list.
 
 I am planning to build the Airfix HMS Suffolk and am searching for references on this ship. I would also like to know if there are details with which I could improve the model.

 Thanks in advance,
 Daniel
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6)
From: John Snyder <John_Snyder@macnexus.org>
Subject: Re: "Lost" Ensigns

 John:

 Actually, your red Ensign 9 CAN be copied--photographically. Just attach a red filter to your lens and shoot away. The resulting negs could then be enlarged to give you black-and-white copy that could be placed on any copier....

 John Snyder
 Snyder & Short Enterprises
 The Paint (and sometimes photo) Guys
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7)
From: John Snyder <John_Snyder@macnexus.org>
Subject: Re: ARIZONA colors

 Steve:

 Early 1941 Dark Gray (5-D) verticals, with Early 1941 Light Gray (5-L) tops. Late 1941 original Deck Blue (20-B) steel decks, and natural teak. All these colors are in our USN Paint Chip Set 1. The early Dark Gray and Light Gray are quite quite different from their late war counterparts (included in our USN Set 2), while the original Deck Blue is somewhat different from the 1942 Revised Deck Blue (which is also in USN Set 1).

 Incidentally, if anyone wants visual evidence of relying entire on historic photos--even color photos--in interpreting paint colors, just go to the NavSource website and take a look at the color photo of USS DRAYTON (DD-344). Take a close look, and then decide what Measure camo she's wearing, and what the colors REALLY are....  :^)

 John Snyder
 Snyder & Short Enterprises
 The Paint Guys
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8)
From: drwells@hogpa.ho.att.com (David R Wells)
Subject: Re: White Ensign 1/600 Resin Parts

>> I have been trying to talk White Ensign into bringing out some 1/600 parts in resin, and was wondering if anyone else in SMMLand was also interested in such things. How about 8-barreled 2-pdr pom-poms (for the Ark Royal, King George V, Suffolk and Warspite), 4-barreled pom-poms (for Belfast and Manxman), and twin 4-in guns (for the Belfast, Warspite, Suffolk and Manxman)?  Please post to SMML or to WE directly. <<

 A resounding YES!!! from me. Of course, I still have to buy some of their other stuff. I've been meaning to give Caroline a call about 1/600 Iron Duke photoetch... Really.

 David R. Wells

 "There seems to be something wrong  | David R. Wells
 with our bloody ships today"        | AT&T Middletown, NJ   
 Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916	    | Email: drwells@hogpa.ho.att.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
9)
From: EMSR569@aol.com
Subject: Tauro 1/400 R.N Zara

 Need some advice. I would like to the Tauro kit of the Italian CA Zara, I need to know if the kit has any problems.

 Thanks.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
10)
From: "Douglas Martin" <Douglas_J_Martin@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Airfix Repulse

 Folks:

 The Airfix kit of H.M.S. Repulse, is the final fit before she was sunk off Kuantan.

 Douglas
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
11)
From: Rick Heinbaugh <heinbau@gte.net>
Subject: Re: White Ensign 1/600 Resin Parts - PLEASE!!

 If I had some good 4 & 8 barrelled pom-poms, I would have no excuse not to finish all those Airfix cruiser conversions that withered on the vine... Do you know how many modifications are possible from the Suffolk kit?  And every one needs a pom-pom someplace. And directors, too?

 White Ensign, please sign me up for a big handful from your first production run.  Let's see, I know all those Airfix magazines are around here someplace...

 Rick Heinbaugh
 Seattle, WA
 (Triumph in the garage, had to tow the darn thing up here when we moved up from CA, Thank you Mr Lucas)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
12)
From: "russell/joyce powell" <powell@kdn0.attnet.or.jp>
Subject: Re: good contemporary naval writings

 Bill hensler wants to know where he can find naval writings on such things as whats new, in the works, projected, etc.? The best source I know of for this type of information is the Naval Institute publication  "proceedings." This monthly magazine is full of information on contemporary naval goings on: U.S. and foreign. Sometimes there are good photos, sometimes historical articles. It is a staple of professional naval-types. To receive the publication one must become a member of the institute. This requires a nominal yearly fee. There are other benefits  as well as the fine mag. I'm sure they have a net site.

 Best regards,
 Russell Powell (cold in Okinawa!)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
13)
From: "Craig Brown" <cprr@mvp.net>
Subject: Re: WW1 subchaser

 My thanks to all of you who responded to my request for information on the WW-1 sub chasers, I am going to see if I can get any of the suggested books at the library. If I can not find them localy I may take up the offers of copies, again, thank you all.

 Craig Brown
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
14)
From: Allan Plumb <plumb@phoenix.net>
Subject: Re: RN Books

>> We heard various people on the list praise the Raven & ? book "British Battleships WW2" (or something like that ;-)  ). What is the general consenus about how that fares against R.A Burts British Battleships 1939-45. <<

 I, on the other hand, have Alec Raven and John Robert's "British  Battleships of WWII", but not Burt.

 It's a modeler's/researcher's dream. It has details on all the British battleships from the Queen Elizabeths to Vanguard, including the ones that were never built, like the Lions and G3s. It has details on original design, all refits, weapons embarked at different times, detailed overalled drawings, detail drawings, pictures, paintings of the never-were ships, you name it.

 It gives good insight into the intent of the designers which is always very interesting to me. I find the differences between the battleship builder's reach and grasp, for each country, quite fascinating.

 My only regret is that I didn't snap up their "British Cruisers" companion before it disappeared.  I'd spend a lot to find one.

 ('Course, battleships were a waste of money by WWII, but still...)

 Allan Plumb (plumb@phoenix.net)

 Weather in Houston: high near 80, overcast, periodic sprinkles. This is February?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
15)
From: Allan Plumb <plumb@phoenix.net>
Subject: Re: Airfix HMS Repulse

>> Does anybody know, what time in her life the kit depicts, she has some strange camo-painting, and is equipped with a Walrus, so I think it is probably WWII. <<

 My best reference is Raven and Roberts "British Battleships of WWII" (see other response). Second is Breyer. For details of her loss, see Middlebrook's "Battleship".  

 As best I can tell the kit is as-of-sinking. It's clearly post-1936 with the catapult cross-deck; the AA weapons fit matches too. I could check the forementioned rather than pull it out of my memory, but that's what I recall from when I built her (I have that kit too, and I like it).

 The camo (dark blue-grey panels over light grey) depicted on the box is apparently again her color when sunk.

 Allan Plumb (plumb@phoenix.net)

 (Someday I'd like to convert a Repulse into HMS Courageous/Glorious as Large Light Cruisers. Talk about taking the battlecruiser idea to absurdity...)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
16)
From: Minadmiral@aol.com
Subject: Re: White Ensign 1:600 parts

 Hi;

 I have a large (250+ ) collection if SDD and Skytrex coastal craft for wargaming. I want to take some of these and super-detail as display models.

 I need the correct weapons for them, rafts and other parts, Al Ross and John Lambert probably have plans. I have Dog Boats at War which has some great views.  

 Here are the weapons needed;

 various #2 powered and non-powered mounts
    "    #6    "     "   "    "      "
 single and twin 20mm #3 mount 

 Any other weapon that was put on coastal craft and small ships used by the UK, Ger., Italy, and the US in WWII.

 I hope
 Chuck
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
17)
From: "chenyangzhang" <chenyangzhang@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Battleship books

 Shane

 I didn't know that R A Burt had written a book on British Battleships 1939-1945. It's almost certain to be of similar quality and reliability but with not so much analysis. R A Burt also produced British Battleships 1889-1904, British Battleships of World War One and British Battleships between the Wars (of which I have the first two). They are of very high quality and also fall under the definition of definitive.

 Chris
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
18)
From: Gene Larson <genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org>
Subject: Re: Favorite Web Sites

Roger Clemens wrote:
> I recently suffered an email meltdown.

 For an extensive list of sites and snail mail sources go the the Sources for Researchers and Model Builders on the NRG web site.

 Gene Larson
 Nautical Research Guild
 http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
19)
From: Ives100@aol.com
Subject: Re: Virginia Class SSN

>> The latest issue of Time Magazine had an article on the new USS Virginia, a special advance attack submarine that will cost over 1 Billion dollars and will put the Seawolf class submarines to shame. Where can I find out some good writings on the Navy in general? <<

 Virtually all of my ship modelling is in submarines, so I can tell you from first hand experience that obtaining information on modern SSNs and SSBNs can be difficult. The Navy has recently relaxed some of the secrecy, which is why I was able to tour a late model LA (SSN 789 USS Toledo) and an SSBN (SSBN 742 USS Wyoming). Even then, tours of the engineering space are still off limits. I recently tried to obtain the drawings for the old Polaris sub Abraham Lincoln, a 598 (first in service; using modified Skipjack SSN hull)) class of SSBN. These drawings are in National Archives II in Maryland, BUT still classified!! The Abe herself was converted to razor blades over a dozen years ago. The Navy is still concerned about revealing details about the engineering spaces of even obsolete nuclear ships.

 If you desire information specifically on submarines, I can really recommend Norman Friedman's two books, "US Submarines through 1945" and "US Submarines since 1945".  These have outstanding line drawings of submarines by Jim Christley, a former submariner and superb artist. However, you will find nothing about the Virginia class boats in these books. Friedman also has several books about surface