Subject: SMML16/02/99VOL458 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:00:57 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USS Enterprise 2: Re: Gazillion A/C tiedowns on Enterprize 3: Re: Classic Warship web site 4: Looking For A Book 5: Re: Floating Drydock 6: Re: Survey 7: Leanders and other pretty ships 8: Cruiser Orion 9: DKM Tirpitz Colours 10: Coast Guard, short end of the stick 11: Useless Ships 12: Re: IJN Destroyers 13: Re: Des Moines Class Model 14: Re: Representative Ships 15: 1/350 5-bar railing 16: Re: Des Moine 17: Nurnberg, Emden: East Asiatic Squadron 18: Re: Modern USN camo 19: IJN Warships 20: Re: representative ships 21: Re: USS Salem 22: Cyclone Class camo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Request for articles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: McKellar Subject: Re: USS Enterprise Oops, Tamyia, 1/350 Gulf war era...... Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Gazillion A/C tiedowns on Enterprize There is an easy way to make these dots. I've done it with great success on my 1/350 scale Enterprise. Use what is called a resivour pen. Architects and draftsmen use them to draw with ink on mylar and other plastic sheets. The pens come in different widths so you can pick the exact size dot you want. I use a #1 size pen made by K&E. You can find them at any architectural supply house. You can also get almost any color ink you want. I used white with just a touch of black to tone down the white. One last hint. When all the dots are on the deck, dust the entire deck with the dark gray color to disrupt the same color shade of the tie downs. It will look much more realistic. The pen will cost about $12.00 but considering the number of tie downs you're going to be doing, it's more than worth it. Once you're finished empty the pen and clean with water for you next project. These pens are great. I use a super fine pen to the eyes of figure models The fight deck is almost an asphalt color. I used Testor, s flat black, Camouflage gray, added a little insignia blue and a touch of Euro 1 green. Yeah, green. I know it sounds weird but green really makes it look like and asphalt color. I don't remember the exact ratios of color but start here and adjust to taste. Two parts black, 1/2 part Camo. Gray (for scale), 1/4 part blue, 1/4 part green. Add black to darken to taste. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Classic Warship web site For those you (like me) who wanted a Classic Warships web site there is good news. I talked to Steve Wiper the other day and he told me that a web site was being put together as we speak. I'm hoping it will be interactive (photos, order forms, etc.) unlike the site he now has. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "John E. Fail" Subject: Looking For A Book Can anyone steer me to where I can purchase the book "U.S. COAST GUARD CUTTERS AND CRAFT OF WWII"?. I have checked several sources and have come up empty. Thanks, John Fail, Bayfield CO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Leonard, Michael W" Subject: Re: Floating Drydock I've only seen one scratchbuilt in 1/350 (Ray Bean of PSM did one for a battleship). Corsair Armada made (makes?) a resin one in 1/700; haven't seen it but I suspect it is excellent quality. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Les Case" Subject: Re: Survey I suspect you're asking after warships, but I just can't help myself: R.M.S. Aquitania 1914 1/600 full hull paquebot Normandie 1935 1/600 full hull R.M.S Queen Elizabeth 1940 1/600 full hull Les Case -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Leanders and other pretty ships >> Leander kit? If so, I'll pick one up! Go nice with my (partly scratch-built) semi-scale, once the light gets better & I finish her! << >> Sorry old chap, it's out of production.. we MIGHT be able to dredge up the small parts for one if we got a definite order (still having a pig of a job trying to get the old patterns out of our former caster, Rutland... but that's another tale..) What about a nice 1/350 HMS Brilliant to spice up the modern RN department??? << Awww poo. I'm gonna get shot now. :-( Ho hum. On a more positive note, are there any SMMLies out there who would like a Leander? As I really, really want one & will be giving Caroline from WEM an order when I see her in Folkstone (for as & when), surely it would make it worth WEMs while to "go dredging" if several people ordered one? Or am I the last modeller without a Leander? Re the Brilliant - as it happens, she's on my shopping list, and my nightly reading, to boot! At what point in her career is the model set? Mike Dunn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Vimieraa@aol.com Subject: Cruiser Orion I am attempting to locate starboard side views of H M S Orion taken between April 1942 and December 1942 Any help would be appreciated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "T.Wahl" Subject: DKM Tirpitz Colours To the group ! I am building the Tamiya 1/350 model of Tirpitz. I intend to paint the ship with the camouflage pattern she wore in 1944. I know that the pattern was changed quite frequently and that the pattern drawings that came with the set are not so good. However, the drawings give the colours only with Tamiya "names". The main colour names are as follow : Deck Tan, Dark Sea Grey, Dark Grey, Light Grey and Hull Red. According to a conversion table found at WWW, these colours should be represented with the following Humbrol colours (I have not been able to find Tamiya colours in the shops): 110, 140, 123, 124 and 177. But to my understanding the Deck Tan nr. 110 is to light, the hull red nr.177 is too dark brown, 123 Dark Grey seems OK, but then the contrast to Dark Sea Grey nr. 140 is too low. (According to good b/w photos I have found in books) Has someone good ideas which Humbrol colours that would fit best ? Best regards T.Wahl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Coast Guard, short end of the stick I have been interested in the Coast Guard cutters and craft for a long time, Besides USCG I also model British Life Boat Service and Canadian Coast Guard craft and USCG aircraft. When I was in the Coast Cuard we used to joke that "Sempre Paratus" meant "Simply Forgot Us." Best Regards Duane Fowler dlfowler@uscg.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Useless Ships As we seem to be in 'ships'lists' I think I might add something else; the most useless fighting ship list. Britain: Courageous (1917) USA: Texas (1893) ex aequo : Alaska (1944) Germany: Blucher (1907) France: Bearn (1928) Italy: Duilio (1870) Japan: I-400 (1945) Russia: Novgorod (1870) USSR: ZUNR (Pomornik) (1980's) The Netherlands: Zeven Provincien(1911) Pieter Cornelissen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Nowfel Leulliot Subject: Re: IJN Destroyers Douglas Martin wrote: >> The following info on IJN DDs has been extracted from Warship Profile 22, and as such relates mainly to the Yukikaze rather than Harusame. << [snip much useful info] >> I could find out more, but as Yukikaze appears fairly typical (to my mind), the dates will probably reflect the changes made to surviving IJN DDs. << Thank you very much for the help. Looks like I'll build her in a late war configuration after all... Somehow, I think I have once more stepped into a fairly typical case of the modeller's "ever-increasing spending syndrome" : 1) buy a cheap model to be built straight from the box 2) decide that you'd like to know a little more before starting 3) spend several times more money on reference material 4) build the model 5a) decide you need to justify so much reference material 5b) discover another interesting ship in the above-mentioned books 6) go out and buy some more models 7) go back to step 2... Note: acute sufferers should add a "buy suitable PE set" step where appropriate ;-) Nowfel Leulliot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Re: Des Moines Class Model Steve Singlar wrote: >> Steve Wiper at Classic Warships just came out with a beauty of a 1/350 resin DesMoines class kit. Full hull or water line. It is available from Pacific Front hobbies (shipguy@pacificfront.com.) The South Shore Hobby club (check out the Salem's web site) may have a few intro kits left.......Snip. << Hello Group, I just want to correct a couple of things that Mr. Singlar has stated in his note. While you can get the Des Moines Class kit from Bill Gruner at Pacific Front Hobbies, you can also get the same kit thru the USS Salem Model Dept. The Model Dept. is not a hobby shop or large scale distributer nor is it a "club". It is a department of the US Naval & Shipbuilding Museum. We generate revenue for the Museum with custom building services and kit sales. Also we design and create exhibits and displays for the Museum's expanding programs. Any proceeds from the sale of the kit and building services rendered,thru the Model Dept., are turned over to the museum earmarked for the restoration and preservation of the USS Salem. John Frohock Curator/Model Collection USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Wirguy@aol.com Subject: Re: Representative Ships Well I might as well put my two cents in. How about the USS West Virginia BB48. After all she was the last of the American pre-war dreadnaughts. As you all know she was sunk at Pearl Harbor,much like the country's hopes at the time,only to be raised, repaired,and join in the final battles of the Pacific War. And she was the only Pearl Harbor BB present in Tokyo Bay as the Japanese surrendered. There you have: the first day and the last day. Not bad for the old WeeVee. Larry Lewicki Wheeling,WV -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SWO77@aol.com Subject: 1/350 5-bar railing For all, In I am currently working on a Spruance Class destroyer and have a question. The ship I am modeling had "5 bar" railing on its aft section on the 01 level. I have seen the various Spruance and Ticonderoga P/E sets but I can't seem to find 5-bar railing. Actually, 5-"bar" is a misnomer as the "bars" were actually black synthetic lines strung between stanchions. Does anyone know of a source for such railing in 1/350 scale?? TIA for any help. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: Des Moine Steve, Depending on the size of your microwave, use it to heat the hull to soften it,( about 15 sec at a time ) then place it on a flat surface(add some weight) till it cools slowly! If it won't fit in the M-oven, then hold it over the stove burner about a foot above, til it warms up. Boiling water works too, but a pain in the butt! and messy. Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "russell/joyce powell" Subject: Nurnberg, Emden: East Asiatic Squadron Dear fellow enthusiasts, A Japanese govt. agency has performed a sneak attack on my e-mail server here in Okinawa: and just when I thought I had a handle on this new-to-me technology. So, after one week of expert fiddling I am refloated with a new address. 1) Would someone kindly tell me where I can get hold of detail photos of the WW1 light cruisers Nurnburg, and Emden? I have been working on Classic's 1/700 versions of these ships but have not been able to incorporate the kind of detail I want, especially with Nurnburg. Thanks for any help. 2) Is anyone as interested in models of the ships of Admirals Cradock, and von Spee in their historic WW1 conflict. I think the armored cruisers S.M.S Scharnhorst, H.M.S. Good Hope, Monmouth, etc. are very pleasing to the eye, and historically significant: well worth modeling. If the interest is there perhaps Steve Wiper, or Caroline and Dave would consider? For good naval reading I often search out material on the WW1 Pcaific conflict. Fascinating stuff! 3) I might as well put in my two cents on most significant ships. To me it has little to do with the amount of iron thrown or dropped. Jeff Herne has it right. Arizona, hood, Yamato, Canberra, DeReuter. What a nation invests emotionally, attaches sentimentally, and invokes symbolically from a ship far outweighs in importance the damage she inflicts on an enemy. The greatest example of this has to be Hood. For many years she steamed the oceans showing the flag, hosting visiting throngs in port after port. For much of the world she WAS British might tangible, empire incarnate, and even as that empire had been mortally wounded in the Great War so in a sense was Hood's Mortality cast. Her loss, and the circumstances of it are probably of a magnitude we youngns' can not appreciate. In point of fact do we any longer invest our national egos in any such creations? The shuttle? Sorry for the diatribe. Best regards, EASTWINDED Powell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Modern USN camo >> I just saw a program tonight on The History Channel about USN Special Warfare craft. They showed a Cyclone class PC in a camouflage pattern. Does anyone know what colors are used? There were a couple of shades of gray and a light blue. << I was aboard USS Whirlwind Easter weekend 1995, and she was painted overall haze gray with flat black scallops/wedges along the hull. Another PC was there painted in what the Lt (whom I got a tour from) described as "Sky Blue"....I have a photo of this sister craft, and the color is very close to the light blue used on Russian aircraft (~FS15200) and was applied in a dazzle pattern simialr to the WW2 ms31/32 series, with flat black and haze gray also applied. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Sean D. Hert" Subject: IJN Warships Hey All- I'm looking for some detailed info on the IJN Mogami, prior to her refit to 8" guns. Got some good places to start? Thanks Sean D. Hert www.netwalk.com/~popev/bg Columbus, Ohio USA Hi Sean, A good place to start is Plastic Ship Modeller 95/4 (which I've lent out). Dan will most probably confirm if this is appropriate or not. Shane 30C & hot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: representative ships For representative ships I have these 1. USS SAN DEIGO-US 2. H.M.S. FURIOUS-UK 3. HIJMS YUKIKAZE-JP 4. HMAS SHROPSHIRE-AUS 5. HMNZS ACHILLES-NZ 6. VMF MARAT-USSR 7. DKM PRINZ EUGEN -GER. 8. VITTORIO VENTO- ITALY Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Salem Dear Steve: What a coincidence that you volunteer on the USS Salem! When that ship was in mothball at the Philadelphia Navy Yard I visited her that's how I learned about the propeller guard wood sections. I guess that was at the last open house before the base closing in 1996. You could climb the gangways to the closed entrance of the main deck. You volunteers certainly had your work cut out for you considering the repainting that had to be done. How did you solve the problem of the grass growing in the teak wood deck? A couple places needed a mowing at the time. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Cyclone Class camo In June 1995, USS TYPHOON of the Cyclone class took part in the BALTOPs'95 maneuvers in the Baltic Sea. Subsequently she moved to the Mediterranean to take part in furthet maneuvers. During this period of time she carried an experimental camouflage paint - albeit I don't know it this camo pattern was still worn in the Med. I got some photos taken during the maneuvers in the Baltic Sea and while passing through Kiel Canal which show her camouflage scheme. It was symmetrical on both sides and consisted of two grays and two blues. As far as I could judge from the photos, the colors were - light gray - FS 27722, - dark gray - FS 25045, - light blue - FS 25530, - dark blue - FS 25053. The deck was FS 26008 after this guessing. As this is coinciding with the deck color given by Randy Short and John Snyder, I am confident that my matches are not too far beside the mark. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Request for articles I am requesting any articles, reviews, first look articles for Internet Modeler magazine. The owners have almost no ship articles and they asked me to help add a ships section to the mag. The articles and reviews can be as in depth as you like. Be sure to add some photos to help explain the articles as you go. Anything you send will carry your name as author. These guys really want to expand the magazine. They are heavily into armor and aircraft at this time. The site is first rate and anything in the way of ship articles would be most welcome. Email your articles or reviews to me and I'll forward them to the proper person. Lets build a big ship presence on this web site to spread the hobby. Check out the magazine for yourself. The Url is: http://www.internetmodeler.com/ Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Note from Shane: I second the motion. IM is an excellant modelling site & could definitly use some more ship content(look out for some articles coming up). Some of the editors subscribe to SMML & are a respected bunch of modellers. Shane. Still 30C & hot :-)) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume