Subject: SMML21/02/99VOL463 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:50:11 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Tamiya Parts 2: Modern French ships 3: USS Missouri Colors 4: Skywave/Pitroad web site? 5: Re: Classic Warships USS Salem 6: Re: USS Salem kit 7: GMM Decals 8: Re: Tirpitz colours 9: Re: Aoshima USS Washington 10: Re: Burleigh instructions 11: Re: Missing instructions 12: Re: H.M.S.VANGUARD 13: Yellow Turret tops revisited 14: Re: Tamiya and IRC's 15: Re: Straightening Warped Models 16: Another Large Scale Replica Afloat??? 17: Liberty tanker 18: Re: HMS Vanguard 19: ACW Ironclads 20: Re: Ordering Replacement Parts 21: Re: looking for Confederate Flag 22: Soviet modern warship models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michael Czibovic" Subject: Tamiya Parts Tamiya has a big building here in So. Cal., home of the North American distributor. I just got a flyer for TamiyaCon '99, so I happen to have the address and phone number right here: Tamiya America, Inc. 2 Orion Aliso Viejo, CA 92656 1-800-TAMIYA-A Try giving them a call, you might get your parts for free. Mike Czibovic Corsair Armada Productions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: EMSR569@aol.com Subject: Modern French ships Hello, I need some tips on the correct color to paint Hellers 1/400 scale modern warships. Thank you Sal R uiz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" Subject: USS Missouri Colors Jim, I probably won't be the only one who will answer this one, but I've checked my trusty copy of Robert Sumrall's "Iowa Class Battleships" and he shows the Mo's paint schemes as follows: 6/44 - 1/45 Measure 32/22D Dull Black, Ocean Gray 5-O, Light Gray 5-L, horizontal surfaces Deck Blue 20-B and Ocean Gray 5-O 1/45 - 9/45 Measure 22 Haze Gray 5-H, Navy Blue 5-N, horizontal surfaces were Deck Blue 20-B In Sept '45 during availability in Pearl, her entire hull was painted Navy Blue, eliminating the Haze Gray above the lowest point of the sheer line. I think this was after the surrender. He has some nice drawings of the first, four color scheme. You can e-mail me off list if you want more. Though I'm more of an Iowa fan (having grown up there), most of my sources are about the class and so have Mo stuff too. Hi ho! Michael Satin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Skywave/Pitroad web site? Does anyone know if Skywave/Pitroad have a web site? Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Bill Schnakenberg Subject: Re: Classic Warships USS Salem >> ... Then I opened the box only to discover that the hull was straight and true. . Rob Mackie Martha Stewart's Favorite Ship Modeling Site << Well I think that since you went through all that trouble to tell us how to straighten the hull, you should use your own method for straightening to bend the hull first so that we all can start out on an even keel... or is that uneven keel? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Sheridan Subject: Re: USS Salem kit >> This is the best 1:350 scale effort from Classic Warships thus far. Instructions are thorough, and the smaller resin and white metal parts are of similar high quality. The 8" gun houses are especially noteworthy. << Just wait until you add the rear platform and the catcher basket onto the 8" guns. These gun houses have to be the most detailed gun mounts i've ever seen! >> This should be an easier build than past CW efforts due to the amount of surface and structural detail cast integral with the hull. I am preparing an in-depth look at the Salem for Warship. But my initial impression is that Classic Warships has "nailed" the Salem with this very impressive model. << Yes, Steve did do an excellent job on this kit. What's really intesting is the ease of assembly considering the high level of detail in this kit. The guys on the USS Salem Museum are really proud of how well this model turned out. John Sheridan @ Microscale Decals http://www.microscale.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Chris Neel Subject: GMM Decals Hi all - Can anyone let me know if the GMM 1/700 Naval aircraft insignia decal sheet contains U.S. pre-war style stars with the red circle in the middle? If so, how many per set? If not - any suggestions on how to make some using existing decals? Still planning on that USS Lexington - pre-war era configuration. I'm also looking for RN Fleet Air Arm aircraft insignia (1/700) for both Atlantic Fleet and Far East Fleet service (WWII). Are any of these readily available? Thanks! later cn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Re: Tirpitz colours The reference to the light grey was lifted straight from the Williams article but after looking again at the RAF photo, I would agree that the decks are light grey as well as the vertical surfaces. They did indeed spend a long time in port - the only operation I can recall where Tirpitz fired at anything except aircraft was the raid on Spitzbergen in which a vast force of ships sallied forty to lob a few shells at some unfortunate meteorologists and achieved singularly little. I do not have the Breyer book. However, there is a side view drawing (covering May to August 1944) by Falk Pletscher in the Dan Jones article in PSM (referred to a few days ago) that has the hull sides up to upper deck level, all four main turret barbettes and both A and D turrets in black, the bulk of the superstructure and B turret in medium grey and C turret and the after part of the rear superstructure, upper funnel and upper control tower in light grey. I dare say that the Norwegian weather might have caused it to wear off a bit, allowing the light grey of the earlier scheme to show through. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Re: Aoshima USS Washington I posted my thoughts on the Aoshima North Carolina to SMML on 7th February so it would have appeared on the 7th or 8th. This is the same class as the Washington so I imagine that most (if not all) of the kit is the same. In summary it was pretty grim and much rebuilding is necessary to obtain an accurate model. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Burleigh instructions DearTom I have a copy of the BURLEIGH instruction sheet. How would you like it sent? E-mail or regular mail. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Missing instructions >> I don't hold much hope of getting a response from Revell, so I'm writing this in the hope that some kind soul out there in the ether has one of these kits, and would be willing to copy the assembly instructions for me. << First of all, welcome, Tom! I hope you'll find this list as much fun and as informative as I have. You may very well also find someone who will have the instructions that you need (sorry, I don't). One thing, though, is that I and many others have found Revell to be surprisingly responsive to customers. I wouldn't dismiss out of hand the possibility of obtaining the missing instructions from them Good luck with your model! Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: H.M.S.VANGUARD Dear Jim: The H.M.S.VANGUARD was built from October 1941 to April 1946 and was commissioned in August 1946. She was assigned to the home fleet. In Feb-May 1947 she transported the Royal Couple to South Africa. Returning to England, she was dry-docked for a year. Then in 1949 she was sent to the Mediteerean until July, that year. Until Nov 1949 was a part of testing trials after Nov she became a training ship and temporary flagship of the Home Fleet during cruises and excerises. Until 1955 the she became flagship of the mothball fleet. In conclusion she was scrapped in 1960. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Evert-Jan Subject: Yellow Turret tops revisited I have finally gotten an answer from William H Garzke on the yellow turrettops on the Bismarck. I wrote to him a few months ago, asking him to the scource of his color references. He states that his recent research proves the yellow turrettops to be false. As his scource, he names correspondence with survivors, after 1990. Also, he writes that the turrettops were carmine red during the Baltic training, and that the swastica's were covered with tarpaulins after May 1941. Mr Garzke is currently working on a book on the Olympic class passenger liners, in the same style as the battleship series, so start saving money. I know I will. Let's hope Tamiya issues a 1/350 model to match. Evert-Jan Foeth Likes to go the the bottom of things. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Bruce Burden" Subject: Re: Tamiya and IRC's The US importer for Tamiya models is Tamiya America. You can call 1-800-TAMIYA-A and request customer service for spare/replacement parts. The Tamiya instruction page will list the sprue number (as well as numbers for decals, box, instructions and most anything else in the box), and you will need that, along with the kit number, to get the right parts. Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Bruce Burden" Subject: Re: Straightening Warped Models What, y'all don't just break out the mud bug pot and light up the ole propane burner? It doesn't take long to get the 4 gallons or so of water hot, and since resin hulls don't take up much room, you might as well throw in some crab boil seasonings, some new potatoes, onions, garlic, coarsely chopped carrots and a couple a dozen mud bugs. Saves having to fill those nasty holes left by the rod, too... Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Alex F. Wojcicki" Subject: Another Large Scale Replica Afloat??? We've been corresponding with the REC.BOATS.BUILDING newsgroup for information and advice on building our 1:10 scale destrover replica. In one response, a fellow mentioned seeing another large scale replica a few years ago, up in the Chesapeake Bay area. Does anyone have any knowledge of this? We would like to get in touch with the builders. ------------------------------------------ Excerpt from message from Dave Gulick: The reason for the post is this: I live in Chesapeake City at the western end of the Chesapeake-Delaware canal. Almost all of the really cool stuff traveling the ICW stops for a day or two either at Shaffer's Canal House or anchors in the lagoon by the Corps of Engineers station on the south side of the canal. One day about three or four years ago I was looking across the canal from the lagoon and saw a small military vessel at Shaffer's. It is quite rare to see military stuff in the area, so I jumped on my bike and went to investigate. There at the dock was a PERFECT 35ish', two person model of a WWII Navy war ship. It wasn't a destroyer (would have recognized that). I *think* it was a cruiser, but possibly a battleship. The superstructure was hinged in the rear, allowing access for the crew of two who sat midships and looked out the bridge windows. I saw it leave. Were there not other boats, docks, etc. for visual reference, it would have been impossible to tell it was a model. It was way, way cool!! Has anyone ever seen this boat (It was heading East toward Delaware and N.J.)? I'd love to know more about it, and perhaps those who built it could contribute their experience to this worthy project. End of excerpt ----------------------------------------- N.B. we will have the boat yard constructed by early March. We'll start putting pictures of it and construction progress online then. Sincerely, Wojo and Bob Alex Wojcicki/Bob Keefer USS Pringle (DD-477) Historic Reconstruction Project http://www.foto.infi.net/~wojo/pringle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Alan Zelanski" Subject: Liberty tanker I was just wondering if Liberty ships were converted or built as tankers? I saw a model of a ship listed as a Liberty Tanker Z-ET1-S-C3 Type. Any information on these ships like names or who used them would be helpful. Also any information on where to look further would also be very helpful. Thanks for your time. Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Malcolm Waite Subject: Re: HMS Vanguard The life and times of HMS Vanguard 1941 2nd October laid down at John Browns 1944 3oth November launched 1946 25th April Completed 1947 Royal Tour to South Africa 1949 Mediterranean 1956 Reserve 1960 7th June Decommissioned 1960 4th August sold for scrap She refitted in 1947-48,1951 and 1954. And so ended British battleship history, reduced to razor blades! Malcolm N. Waite Liverpool UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Malcolm Waite Subject: ACW Ironclads Does anybody have any information about what colours Union and Confederate Ironclads were painted during the ACW. I have an number of book on the subject, Porters massive book, Tony Gibbons Warships and Naval Batles of the Civil War etc. Every drawing shows the ships a metalic grey colour, which I take to be highlighting the fact that the vessel is an ironclad. I would have thought that a coat of paint would be required, if only to stop the ship rusting! Help Malcolm N. Waite Liverpool -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: ModelerAl@aol.com Subject: Re: Ordering Replacement Parts Tamiya America will also sell replacement sprues. Still not cheap but quite a bit less than what Tamiya Japan asked for. Contact them at (800) 826-4922, ext.830. As for Glencoe, it's been my experience that the only hope is to keep nagging at them via the phone (508) 869-6877........ HTH, Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Alex F. Wojcicki" Subject: Re: looking for Confederate Flag Jon, I am assuming you are building the Ironclad CSS Manassas, and not the US Revenue Cutter Minot, captured at New Berne, NC and renamed Manassas in Aug 1861. Some thoughts on flags. I dragged out my 1886 copy of "The Naval History of the Civil War" by Adm David D. Porter. There were no lithographs of the CSS Manassas, unfortunately, but several of the CSS Virginia. Both showed the CSS National Flag on a jack aft. One showed another flag on a jack near the bow, but it was too indistinct to show clearly what it was. Several other more recent books show color plates with the CSS National Flag. DANFS (Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships) 1960 had two lithos of CSS Manassas, the ironclad. One clearly showed the CSS National Flag. There is sometimes some confusion about Confederate flags. There were THREE national flags, an Army battle flag, and a naval ensign. In reverse order, the naval ensign was an oblong flag of red with a blue Cross of St. Andrew with white borders and white stars within. Your see it everywhere today as the "battle flag", but the ya-hoos displaying it are generally an uneducated lot when it comes to Confederate history! The Army "battle flag" looked similar, but was SQUARE. It was adopted because the national flag (which was actually the "stars and bars" looked too much like the Union (US) flag, and could be mistaken for it in the smoke and confusion of battle. (Pretty important, because these flags were used as rallying points for regiments... "rally 'round the flag, boys!" was meant literally. Be a bummer to head for the wrong one.) The first CSS national flag was adopted in 1961, and had a blue field with a circle of stars (other layouts were used too), and three horizontal bars: red-white-red. This was actually the "stars and bars" flag. The second flag was adopted in, I think 1864, and had a white field with a small version of the battle flag in the upper pole corner. The third flag was adopted late 1964/early 65 (my memory fails and I'm too lazy to go look it up.:-), was like the second, except it had a large red vertical bar on the fly end. You only need to be concerned with the first, considering when the Manassas (actually both of them) was lost. There's some other nitpicky stuff, too, like the number of stars, and how they were arranged... Here's what I DON'T know, and maybe someone can help here... "Was the CSN Naval Ensign only flown on ships off-shore, or did inshore and riverine vessels fly it too??" Most of the postwar lithos were done from a Union perspective, and historical accuracy about Confederate stuff was probably not a priority. ALSO, (1) I am the co-leader (of a team of two :-) on the CS Navy section for the DANFS online project. I can send you the two Manassas JPGs I have, and the file with the Manassas history... If you want. (2) My ancestor was in the 2d Lousiana Tigers (Zouaves), and was wounded and captured at Shiloh. My mother (God rest her soul) was Historian General for the UDC for a number of years, and used to beat this stuff into our heads... :-) Hope this helps. Wojo Alex F. Wojcicki USS Pringle (DD-477) Historic Reconstruction Project http://www.foto.infi.net/~wojo/pringle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Trade A Subject: Soviet modern warship models My name is Puiu and my email address is PUIUTZU@HOTMAIL.COM . I am interested by soviet modern warships. IF you can help, please contact me.(Plastic kit or documentation) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume