Subject: SMML24/02/99VOL466 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:47:42 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: A collectable kit? 2: VLS Web site correction 3: KIROV COLORS 4: Re: PROMETHEUS 5: Re: ACW Ironclad colors 6: Re: 1/350th scale figures 7: Re: H.M.S. FURY 8: Thanks for the help 9: Re: ACW ship colors 10: USS Prometheus 11: Information 12: H.M.S. Hotspur 13: Re: Clan MacCorquodale. 14: Prometheus redux 15: Re: Was the Bismarck Yellow 16: Re: Tamiya Fletcher upgrade set 17: Re: USS Prometheus 18: Turn of the Century Ship Models 19: Re: SOC Floatplanes 20: Furina (FURY). 21: Re: 11" Dahlgren Naval Gun by Verlinden 22: Mystery Book 23: Aztec Airbrushes 24: OT: Scanning help -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: 1/600 RMS Queen Elizabeth (c.1940) re-issue campaign 2: Re: SOC Float Planes 3: DJM sends apologies... 4: TRADERS, ETC. 5: Internet Modeler Ships Editor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Les Pickstock (Les Pickstock) Subject: A collectable kit? A friend of mine has asked me to enquire about a kit he has! I think he believes it to be valuable. It's a Renwall kit of the missile cruiser U.S.S. GALVASTON in 1/500th scale. Its complete and unbuilt with its original box,(60s style artwork), instructions and transfers (sorry! Decals). I'd appreciate any info or comments on the matter. MTIA (many thanks in advance) Les Pickstock "I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal Lobotomy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: VLS Web site correction The corrected Web site address for VLS (Verlinden, Letterman, and Stock) for those interested in the resin-cast Dahlgren naval gun model mentioned yesterday is: URL: http://www.vis-vp.com (there was one too many slants preceding "www") VLS carries an enormous stock of great variety and is always a large advertiser in FineScale Modeler magazine. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis (where winter's final Parthian shot is on its way, bringing several inches of snow....why would anyone in their right mind live here......??) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Baker Subject: KIROV COLORS For Mr. Hogg: Don't know about Russian Navy deck colors in wartime, but by the 1960s (and, indeed, in the 1950s), most metal decks in the Soviet Navy were painted the current red brick color; it's a preservative and imparts virtually no non-skid features (Soviets, and today's Russians, never did adopt non-skid for deck, but, then, their liferafts were a lot better than the USNs until the last decade or so). The wooden decks on the KIROV and SLAVA (the last two KIROVs in service, in the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets, respectively) were natural wood, rather a light color. Some Soviet ships left the decks UNpainted, with a coating of preservative oil. Some decks were painted a pale green, and others a dark gray. Pretty colorful from the air! By the way, KIROV and SLAVA differed in a number of respects, and SLAVA had the stern of an uncompleted CHAPAEV-class light cruiser grafted on to replace her bomb-damaged stern; since the CHAPAEV class had a greater beam, the discontinuity to the hull lines, which extended right to the upper deck, could be easily seen. Let's see if Sheridan and Co. can come up with some color chips for the Soviet fleet. A.D. Baker, III -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Baker Subject: Re: PROMETHEUS U.S.S. PROMETHEUS (AR 3) was a repair ship, converted from a commercial cargo ship hull; she and her sister VESTAL served in the USN right through World War II. A.D.Baker, III -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Hess1962@aol.com Subject: Re: ACW Ironclad colors I am working my way through Toby Barrett's superb Thoroughbred line of 1/600 ACW vessels and have "borrowed" from our Model Railroading brethren...the PollyScale line of model RR colors lend themselves perfectly to the iron-and-wooden construction of Civil War ironclads. I use "Grimy Black" and "Tarnished Black" to replicate iron; when detailed with Testors "Rust" and silver Rub 'n Buff (I use a silver Prismacolor pencil for highlighting small items), the iron looks like the real thing! Since most of the reference material indicates that the wood used was heavily creosoted, PollyScale "Railroad Tie Brown" provides an excellent facsimile. Sometimes crossing into another "discipline" works wonders! Dave Hess, Kalamazoo USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: Re: 1/350th scale figures Seven foot tall 1/350th figures are just the thing I need to make 5' 9" crewmen for my 1/302 scale Taney! (I just hope they don't look too British for a US Coast Guard Cutter...) Tim Reynaga Sacramento -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Re: H.M.S. FURY Hiya all, In a recent mail, Shane said (to Norman) :- >> The kit you refer to is Airfix's HMS Hotspur in 1/600. Now this has been OOP for at laest 15-20 years AFAIK. This makes it fairly rare. There's also Matchbox'x HMS Kelly which is also fairly rare. Your best bet would be to try Kingkit(Malcolm's email is down the list), WEM, Pacific Front, etc & as much as I hate to say it Ebay. Just be careful not to go too crazy on Ebay. << To be honest, Norman, I reckon your best bet is the Dungeon of Comet Minatures (the main shop is SF-related). They have a lot of rare/deleted ship kits (as well as aircraft & vehicles). They are based in Clapham, London (on Lavender Hill Road). I'd call them, if I were you, as they are very good. I'm not calling in for another week or so (going to the Folkestone show), otherwise I'd ask them (I need a 1/72 model of the Wasp helicopter, as used on the 1960-1970's RN vessels). They're also known as T.J Models - 46/48 Lavender Hill, London SW11 5RH, Tel: 0171 228 3702 Hope this all helps, Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: Thanks for the help Hi guys. I just wanted to send a quick note of thanks for the gracious responses I got on my CGC Taney inquiry awhile back. Mike, John, and Duane, with your help I now have enough information to proceed. With a little luck, I might even finish it in time for my father's birthday in June. Tim Reynaga Sacramento -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: ACW ship colors >> If anybody questions your shade of "1863 Charleston light blue gray", tell'em to lay off the java and get on Prozac. That is, of course, until Snyder and Short come out with the ACW naval color chips (just kidding John and Randy). << As soon as we're well-versed in the proper pronunciation of "y'all" so that we can research south of the Mason-Dixon Line.... Then there are all those mid-19th century paint formulas I've collected as part of my historic preservation business, not to mention some actual ships and parts thereof that have been raised/dug up and that might be ripe for paint analysis. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: USS Prometheus Chris The Prometheus was a repair ship. ID was AR.3 launched from Mare Island Navy Yard on 5.12.08. Displacement was 6625 tons, Dimensions 450 (wl) x 465.75 (oa) x 60 x18 ft. She was powered by a 2 shaft reciprocating engine generating 7500 shp and a speed of 14 knots. Crewed by 450 men. During WWII she carried 2 x 5inch, 4 x 3 inch and 4 x 40mm. Her area of operation was the Pacific. I couldn't hazard a guess as to where you'd begin to look online. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "John Berveling" Subject: Information Please, could anyone provide me with information, such as: photos or plans/drawings of the former Russian naval craft of the "Kresta" class. From 1968 there was a "Kresta I" and "Kresta II" class. This for purpose of model building. Many thanks, J. Berveling -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Douglas Martin" Subject: H.M.S. Hotspur As Shane replied, Airfix made the 1/600 Hotspur. A lesser know kit was H.M.S. Hero, made by FROG, at 1/500 scale. FROG also made a Tribal, H.M.S. Ashanti and the modern Undine, maybe also a Rothesay (but I cant be sure). Had both back in the early 70s............. Douglas (Scotland) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Ian MacCorquodale" Subject: Re: Clan MacCorquodale. Hi Shane, She was later renamed A-6 and was used by the NSW Lancers. Here is the page that I found it on: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bobcat2/history6.html Thanks for the post and keep up the good work. Mac -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: crofoot@bfm.org (Crofoot, Christopher) Subject: Prometheus redux Thanks to some kind SMMLies I've found that my grandfather served aboard USS Prometheus (AR-3). She was a fleet collier converted to a repair ship commisiioned (23 Dec 1914 - 1 Jul 1946). Anybody know of any kits or possible places for plans? Any media or scale is OK at this point. Thanks in advance for any help. Chris Crofoot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Norman Samish Subject: Re: Was the Bismarck Yellow For what it's worth, I reviewed the color photos and painting of the sunken Bismarck (National Geographic, Nov. 1989, pp 622-637). These showed several closeups including a dual 5.9" gun mount where the gun barrel looked yellow (which could have been from the flash of the strobe), plus big swastikas on the bow and stern. It seems clear from the swastikas that the captain wanted positive identification by the Luftwaffe. Therefore he might have painted the turrets yellow. These are fascinating pictures. There is a lot of superstructure damage from shellfire that is clearly shown. The British ships fired 2,876 shells, most at point-blank range! The wreck is about 3 miles down- the teak decks are still preserved. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Tamiya Fletcher upgrade set >> I would like to hear from anyone who has used the Square Bridge Conversion Set from Tom's Modelworks to convert a Tamiya Fletcher to the late war version. I'm just about ready to try one and would like to know any inside tips. << Did one, and it looks great. Hate to trash Jon Warneke, but Ive already told him this in person........the after bridge works on both the Tamiya and Toms kits are wrong, the platform at the 01 level does not go aft to form a bulkhead, this area has passageways on either side where the hatch on the walkways leads to. The after 40mm tub is somehow wrong. At first, I thought it was not tall enough as the #4 mount (these arent turrets) physically hit both pedestals in my set. Now I am convinced, upon further research (AFTER I built it of course) that is is too long and/or the gun placements are wrong. With a little patience, this is an excellent set and well worth the price of admission. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Bill Schnakenberg Subject: Re: USS Prometheus USS Prometheus was a civilian ship converted to a USN repair ship. See here: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-p/ar3.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Turn of the Century Ship Models Ship models are where you find them!! A friend of mine who is a top notch circus model builder, and a collector of circus items, stoped by to see me today to show me a copy of a 1903 Barnum and Bailey Circus Program. In this program are photos of what look like some very well done ship models. Can't judge the scale from the photos by they "look big". The program says: "Models of the United States Warships", "Barnum & Bailey's Review of Uncle Sam's White Squadron". It's a lengthy article with photos of all the models and it says that Prof.Charles E. Dressler of the College of New York, undertook to do the models in the polytechnic department, but not with students, the work was performed by the most expert mechanics that could be secured, including Mr. Horace Bourcher, who resigned his position as naval draughtsman and designer of the Brooklyn Navy Yard, to aid in their construction. I have some sets of drawings by Boucher and they are 1/8"=1' (1/96) scale but I do not know if Boucher and Bourcher are the same person. The models looks extremely well done and include OLYMPIA, NEW YORK, BROOKLYN, OREGON, KEARSARGE, PURITAN, PORTER, PETREL, DOLPHIN, KATAHDIN, and PORPOISE. My friend tells me that sometimes these models were displayed in their own tent and sometimes they were displayed in the menagerie tent, models down the middle, and elephants and cages behind them. Does anyone on this list know about these models and whatever happened to them? Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: SOC Floatplanes Susan: Go to the White Ensign Models site. You can get to it via the Warship page and check on their current range of offerings. They have the SOC Seagull in 1/700 in their Airstrike product line. I didn't see an entry on the list for Seagulls in 1/350, but they do list Kingfishers in that scale. Check with Caroline at WEM regarding the availability of Seagulls in 1/350. They may be on their to-do list. I have their 700th scale Seagull and they are much better than the indistinct blob which comes with most WWII US Battleships. They don't have wingtip floats, but they can be fashioned from sprue. Ed Also check Caroline's post further down. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Vimieraa@aol.com Subject: Furina (FURY). This vessel (Fury), like most of the ships that saw service for any length of time in the war was subject to a series of changes, and so I would ask that you be a little specific in respect of the time frame that you are interested in. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: RCClem@aol.com Subject: Re: 11" Dahlgren Naval Gun by Verlinden I also saw the Dahlgren Naval Gun Model. It looks very interesting. VLS lists some of their models as 1:48 or 1:35 Scale. But this one is shown as "54 mm". What does that mean and what does it equate to in terms of 1:??? And BTW, what would a cannon ball weigh for an 11" or 15" gun? Roger Clemens Hinsdale, Illinois -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Phil Gollin" Subject: Mystery Book I see from looking at the Amazon.co.uk website that for 1999 they have listed for CONWAYS MARITIME PRESS a book listed as "Warship Camouflage 1914-45 by David Williams (not publication date is noted). Does anyone know anything about this book? Regards, Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Paul S. Baxter" Subject: Aztec Airbrushes I am contemplating the purchase of a double action airbrush to have more control in painting my models and I'm leaning toward buying an Aztec. Does anyone out there know the differences between the Aztec A430 and A470? Any experiences with either brush? Thanks, Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Shane Subject: OT: Scanning help Hi gang, Having some hassles with scanning in scale drawings, pics & printing them out the same size as the original. We're using Iphoto Plus (came with the scanner), it scans in well & we can get the right size on the monitor, but when we print it, the scale's not right(which is a real bugger, as they're for articles). We also have a copy of Adobe Photo deluxe 1.1. would this be better? Any help appreciated, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Les Case" Subject: 1/600 RMS Queen Elizabeth (c.1940) re-issue campaign Want to build a 1/600 RMS Queen Elizabeth but cannot find the kit in the shops and are uninterested or unable to pay rare kit prices? Join a campaign to convince Airfix to re-issue kit number 06201-- RMS Queen Elizabeth. Just copy and paste the following draught letter into your word processing application, add a date, your address and your signature and post it off to Humbrol-Airfix. If Airfix can re-issue RMS Mauretania and SS Canberra, they can very well re-issue RMS Queen Elizabeth too. ______________________________________________________________________________ Humbrol Limited Attention Mrs L C Wilkinson Marfleet Hull HU9 5NE England Mrs Wilkinson, I would like to offer my appreciation for Humbrol Limited's planned re-issue of the Airfix 1/600 RMS Mauretania; I look forward to building it. I am disappointed, however, to learn that Humbrol has no similar plan to re-issue the 1/600 RMS Queen Elizabeth. Cunard's two interwar Queens both made significant contributions to the history of the 20th century: they were amoung the largest and fastest ships ever built, and their Allied service during World War II was credited by Allied leaders as having saved thousands of lives by shortening the length of the war. Whereas RMS Queen Mary is currently available from two sources, a 1/600 RMS Queen Elizabeth-- as far as I've been able to tell-- was only offered by Airfix. Surely the careers of both ships deserve commemoration. As I believe that there are many scale modellers who look forward to building an Airfix 1/600 RMS Mauretania this summer, so do I believe that there are many who would like to build Airfix 06201-1/600 RMS Queen Elizabeth and would buy if it were available. Please consider re-issuing RMS Queen Elizabeth. Sincerely etc. Les Case les_case@tdi.state.tx.us 512 322-4119 vox 512 475-2025 fax -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re: SOC Float Planes Hi!! We have 3 x 1/700 SOC Seagull aircraft in a bag for 2.95 pounds, post free.. we produce a photoetched brass detail set to provide other needed parts inc. props, struts etc. This will fit out scores of aircraft at 3.36 pounds, again post free.. contact me offline re ordering. If we got enough requests we WOULD produce a 1/350 Seagull for the Flightdeck 350 range, which would include all its own etched brass details, as we have done for the Vought Kingfisher. Best Regards, Caroline Carter, White Ensign Models, Gardeners Cottage, Cowarne Court, Lower Eggleton, Ledbury, Herefordshire, HR8 2UF, U.K. Tel: 01432 820403 Fax: 01432 820830 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Douglas Martin" Subject: Virus warning, this is not a wind up. Folks: Unless our webmaster has intercepted it, I have unwittingly send a hidden second email out this evening in my HMS Hotspur post. Do not, under any circumstances open a second message with a file 'attachment' called 'happy99.exe', delete the @8&6% without further ado. Do not run this file, as it will change your wsock32.dll and add 3 new files under c:\windows\system. It will amend your own wsock32.dll to wsock32.ska. You will need to delete the 3 surplus files, and then from DOS, delete 'wsock32.dll' (it will have a recent file date), and rename wsock32.ska (it will have your original wsock32.dll data), to 'wsock32.dll'. Delete files 'liste.ska', 'ska.exe', 'ska.dll'. Read: http://www.avp.com/happy/body_happy.html My apologies, Douglas (Scotland) Hi gang, I got the second email, but it didn't come as an attachment, So I think I'm safe. I sent a test mail to myself & only recieved the test message. I can't emphasize this more, do not open any any attachment with happy99.exe. Trash it straight away. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: HDente@aol.com Subject: TRADERS, ETC. NEW IN STOCK: Anatomy of the Ship: Fuso-----$49.00 Profile Morskie "Indianapolis"----$12.00 WR Press #2 "Atlanta Class Cruisers"-----$29.00 WSW kits: USS Quincy-----$65.00 HMS Abdiel------$35.00 HMS Belfast-----$62.00 HMS Ajax---------$62.00 Shipping $4.00 under $50.00, $5.00 over RIS, 205 Maryland Ave, Paterson, NJ, 07503, USA hdente@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Bob Pearson Subject: Internet Modeler Ships Editor The management and staff of INTERNET MODELER are pleased to announce the return of Kenneth H. Goldman as Ships Editor, beginning with the April '99 issue. His professional approach and strong business sense will benefit the entire magazine and create a Ships section equal to the quality you have come to expect from INTERNET MODELER. Ken has been a regular contributor since IM's inception. His award-winning modeling skills, not limited to nautical subjects, have been called upon by The Air Museum "Planes of Fame" to craft models for their collection when no kit is available. The full range of his modeling and carving skills may be seen on his personal website THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ All queries, suggestions, and submissions should be sent to Ken care of INTERNET MODELER or direct to khgold@wman.com. Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com/ May I add my personal congratualations to Ken & to wish him all the best in his new endeavour. Shane 25C & wet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume