Subject: SMML11/03/99VOL481 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:31:16 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: DD968 and Fuso book 2: Re: Teak wood decks 3: Re: Derfflinger & Hindenburg 4: Battleship TEXAS decks/caulking 5: RADFORD RATIONALE/FUSO FUSILADE 6: Re: Konishi 1/200 "Takao" 7: Re: Sovietski Collection sub models 8: Best online source for paints? 9: Shovelling snow!! 10: Help on italian battleship V. Veneto 11: Re: Gneisenau 12: Cleaning off Future.... 13: Re: Arthur W. Radford 14: Looking for a model of an APA 15: Radford 16: Re: Teak Deck planking 17: Type 21 U-Boat 18: help for colors on Yamato nichimo 19: Re: U.S. SSBN colors 20: Liberty ship models 21: USS Arkansas 22: Yamato model 23: Re: More Radford Stuff 24: Seaways list 25: OzMods Models 26: Warship & Warship International Indexes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: "NEW" BOOKS and new arrivals for WEM 2: 1/200 Konishi TAKAO 3: UPDATE to WARSHIP HOOD ARTICLE 4: Battleship deck planking -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re: DD968 and Fuso book I would just like to add my comment's to Dave Bakers..on to soap box.... I was the first poster on SMML re. this title because it absolutely knocked me sideways. Granted, there are a few scale errors, and the fact that a drawing has a line-shift where there shouldn't be one (hands up anyone who has never had this problem when executing computer designed drawings!) The fact is... how many people are going to use this book to build an exact-scale scratchbuilt replica?? None, I suspect, except for a couple of 1/350 Scale resin producers.... For the rest of us, these are drawings to die for... maybe several thousands of hours of work were involved in writing this tome.. and here we are whinging away about trivia!.. off soapbox (BTW whatssa soap-box anyway??) Cheers! Caroline Carter White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Gene Larson Subject: Re: Teak wood decks In Feb I visited the battleship North Carolina memorial. I specifically took photos of the deck with a digital camera. I will be glad to e-mail you the photos (jpg files) if you want. The color, width, and plugs are quite interesting. Jpg files should not be sent to SMML, I understand, because of the size. ( Yes that's correct, also the fact not everybody would want a copy. Shane) The teak decks I have seen are a gray color unless finished with a varnish like on yachts. When a teak deck becomes wet it turns a nice brown color, but returns to gray when dry. Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia mailto:genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org "A non-profit, tax exempt, educational organization with international membership, dedicated to maritime research and accurate ship model building." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Derfflinger & Hindenburg Hi SMML, Many thanks to Falk Pletscher for the information the 1/700 kits of the Derfflinger and the Hindenburg. I am glad to hear WSW will do the Hindenburg, since I like the ships of that class with the tripod foremast. Incidentally, I didn't mean to imply that anyone was going to do a Derfflinger in 1/350; I hope someone will, but I don't have any information on that. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Battleship TEXAS decks/caulking A friend has a photograph of the battleship TEXAS sometime prior to 1912 that shows very dark deck planking with lighter colored caulking. Can anybody shed light as to what wood the deck planks might be and what kind of caulk was used to show up as a lighter color than the planks? Thanks in advance for any help. Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Baker Subject: RADFORD RATIONALE/FUSO FUSILADE The reason the Virginia Congressional delegation does not want the RADFORD repaired with FY 99 money is that work on ten other ships (which could, in theory, be spread over ten different private yards) would have to be postponed, hurting up to ten constituents (some of whom have already invested in materials and hired on workers for the jobs) rather than one--and, at the moment, the RADFORD is in the Portsmouth Navy Yard dock, and if the Navy Yard were to get the full repair job, then all of the constituent shipyards would lose work for the year. Congressman Owen Pickett of VA has stated, however, that he would support adding funds to repair the RADFORD in Fiscal Year 2000. On the other hand, recent rumors indicate that the RADFORD is far more badly damaged than was originally admitted, and she may yet be scrapped. Too bad the USN threw away seven perfectly good SPRUANCE class sisters last year (and has even stricken them from the Navy List, i.e., they are NOT being maintained in reserve), as one of them could have been brought back to replace the RADFORD at a time when the Navy is complaining that, suddenly, it does not have enough ships (why didn't they think of that last year when the seven SPRUANCEs and the KIDD class DDGs were retired about 20 years sooner than would normally have been the case?). As to the FUSO fusilade, publishers are not just overflowing with highly-qualified, technically and historically-knowledgable individuals who can spot arcane errors; what they hire is people who know how to produce and market books--and a lot of young English majors who don't know a ship from a can of Shinola. The USNI press does send out all original manuscripts to one or more reviewers who ARE supposedly knowledgable, but for finished-product imported books, the USNI often doesn't get to see the entire book, only a few sample pages. In this case, considering the extremely high reputation (deservedly) of the author and the equally high reputation of the original publisher, there would have been no reason for the person making the publishing decision to suspect that there was an error. If Mr. Langree REALLY hates his book, he can certainly return it to the USNI Press for a refund--and go back to using any or all of the far less authoritative publications that cover the same subject. Guess what? I found another scaling error in the FUSO book (the aircraft drawings are said to be in 1:100 scale but are actually reproduced to a much larger scale), but I'll be danged if I will part with my copy over it. Best/Dave Baker (outside the Beltway, where we got close to 12" of snow yesterday, which I nobly shovelled off the driveway and sidewalks last evening--sure wish we had indoor plumbing, though. . . ) NOTE FROM SHANE!! OK, lets just keep this discussion at this level or preferably below please. Remember this a relatively flame free forum, so I'd appreicate no escalation in temper & tone in this somewhat lively discussion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Ron and Louise Crawford Subject: Re: Konishi 1/200 "Takao" Konishi Seisakusho is in Osaka, Japan. They are active producers of ship models in scales from 1/1250 to 1/100, aircraft in 1/200, and castings for scratchbuilders. Pacific Front (Bill Gruner) is the importer. A 1/200 "Takao" would be a special order. Their big display models are gorgeous, but check with your banker before ordering. While (somewhat) on the subject someone asked a while back about the ONI manuals on Japanese warships. Bill Gruner has an extra copy of the reprint. Ron Crawford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ron and Louise Crawford Subject: Re: Sovietski Collection sub models I received a catalog of Soviet era (note politically correct absence of comments) memorabilia from an outfit called Sovietski Collection, in which they are offering display models of Soviet sub's in 1/200 and 1/300. Does anyone have any experience with those models? Ron Crawford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "FERNANDO, YOHAN" Subject: Best online source for paints? Hello, I'm looking for an online hobby store that carries Tamiya acrylics. The closest model shop is about 50 minutes away from me and its a pain sometimes to drive there when all I need is one bottle of paint (plus I end up buying alot of other un-planned things!). Ideally, I'm looking for a place that is in the US and has a quick turnaround time between receiving an order and shipping it out. I don't really want to wait a few weeks for some paint... Thanks. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: CapnAgee@aol.com Subject: Shovelling snow!! I know this has nothing to do with ship modelling, but, when you guys finish shovelling your snow packed driveways, take a moment to give thanks that you're not having to sit on the patio and work on models in 75-80 degree temps. Gawd it's been a hard winter here in Phoenix! Capnagee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Sebastiano Tringali" Subject: Help on italian battleship V. Veneto Dear Warship, I'm an italian aircraft and ship modeller. I have visit your web site. I'm building a diorama of the 1/72 seaplane Ro 43 on the launching catapult of the flying deck of italian battleship Vittorio Veneto. I'm looking for some photos or drawing of the launching catapult, the crane and other details. If you have something about this can you send me it by e-mail or suggest me some book were I can found informations about this. I have built a 1/72 diorama of the italian figther Re 2000 on the seaplane tender G.Miraglia Thank you for all. Sebastiano Tringali Catania (ITALY) mailto:altring@tin.it -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Al Imler (by way of Greg Lee) Subject: Re: Gneisenau The Gniesenau had her portholes welded shut following a torpedo hit in the bow from the British sub Clyde on July 26th 1940. The bow was nearly taken off. Al Imler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Martin Short" Subject: Cleaning off Future.... Hi Guys and Gals, Whilst I am not familiar with Future floor finish, a word of warning. I see that alcohol, denatured, rubbing etc have been suggested as means of getting it off. If you mean surgical (rubbing) alcohol, that, and denatured alcohol are both modified (denatured) with either methanol or acetone to render them unpalatable to those who might find an alternative use for the stuff, and so avoid excise duty on what is an industrial chemical. Either way, methanol and acetone are good removers of modelling paint (and plastic in the case of acetone). I use denatured alcohol (methanol denatured.. Mobil SDA-3A, about 5% methanol in ethanol, ..a bit of useless info there) to wash of my models when I stuff up the paint work, before resorting to oven cleaner for the really tough stuff. So far, I haven't found any modelling paint that will resist alcohol for long, except really old Humbrol with high pigment binder ratios, and even caustic oven cleaner has a job with those. Tamiya, Humbrol, Xtracolour, and Testors are all removed, even with relatively mild alcohols like ethanol, and Isopropylalcohol. Testors is the easiest removed I've found, Xtracolour the hardest. For small runs, defects etc, I use a cotton bud, (Q tips to those up top??) dampened with alcohol, gently rubbing the defect off, then touch up/ respray the affected area. This avoids having to redo the entire kit, and the judges can't tell........ Doug, I don't know that you will have much luck and avoid damaging the finish underneath, but the best of British...and Kiwi.... TTFN, Martin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Kim Wheat Subject: Re: Arthur W. Radford Hi All, For those who are wondering, she is presently sitting in the Norfolk Navy Ship Yard (Portsmouth, VA), under a very heavyily covered framework (against prying eyes or nosey photographers, I suppose) as we speak. As we stood out on the smoking sponson onboard the mighty IKE today, also in the yards, it was the topic of conversation as we tried to spy more than the fantail area that was just visible under the tarp. And we heard that repairs ARE underway. (The validity of asking WHY?? is a very good question, btw...since we don't understand it either!) Getting hit on the 'starboard' side certainly raises some very good Navigational 'Rules of the Sea' questions, as well! Happily I wasn't the CO of THAT ship!! Or the OOD! :) Buc Kim "Buc" Wheat mailto: bucwheat@pilot.infi.net ICQ me at: 7270864 AOL Instant Msgr: bucwheat6 WebPage: http://www.pilot.infi.net/~bucwheat/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: JohnVCP@aol.com Subject: Looking for a model of an APA Does anyone know of a kit that may be available of the APA Class "VC2-S-AP5"; such as the USS Talladega? Scale not too important unless we're talking about a model over 12" or so long. Need manufacturer, scale and possible cost. Tnxs, John Heasel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "mkrumrey" Subject: Radford The problem with the Radford is that: 1: Money budgeted for other ships repairs would have to be used to pay for the Radford. This would throw off the maintentance schedule of other ships, setting them back a year or two. 2: Ship yards contracted to work on other ships, would now be "high and dry" as only the yard working on Radford's repairs would reap the financial benefit. Now let me climb on the soap box: 3: This is a prime example of the "Defense Dividend" touted by the left wing "commie" liberals that have had control of our defense dollars for so long. They never worked in any "accidental" contingeny plans. I am now off the soap box. As a matter of policy, the skipper of the Radford was relieved of duty, pending investigation. The new CO had served on the Radford a few years ago in some other capacity. Mark Krumrey New Richmond -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Gene Larson Subject: Re: Teak Deck planking My previous message offered to e-mail jpg images of the deck planking on BB North Carolina. If there is interest I could place the photos on our web site for a while, then the e-mail thing is not necessary. Let me know. Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia mailto:genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org "A non-profit, tax exempt, educational organization with international membership, dedicated to maritime research and accurate ship model building." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Tony Mollica" Subject: Type 21 U-Boat Hi, I am building the Dragon/DML 1/350 Type 21 U Boat. Could anyone help me with wartime photos of these craft, as I am unable to find any. I have checked U Boat Net, but the photos there are of the restored U-2540. I am unsure how closely its appearance is to the wartime appearance of these boats. Also, I have heard that the conning tower of U-2511 was painted white at one time, I would like to depict this ship if I can possibly get some photos of her. Any comments about the accuracy and detail of the kit would also be much appreciated. My email address is t_mollica@hotmail.com Thanks Tony Mollica -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Patrick.Lesage" Subject: help for colors on Yamato nichimo I bought a battleship Yamato 1/200 in japan and in the kit there is not a table of the differentes colour with a correspondance on the differents part. in english. It is the same think in the book on the Yamato. Is it exist a table "color / part " ? If yes , I am taker. Thank you for your help. P.Lesage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Reg585@aol.com Subject: Re: U.S. SSBN colors Regarding the colors of the U.S. SSBNs, everything I've heard so far sounds pretty good, especially the advice about using Krylon red primer. I discovered that myself pretty much by accident. I was on the U.S.S. Skipjack in the mid 80's, and I noticed something that could add a little realism to your models. The anti-skid portions of the deck and sail always ended up acumulating dirt and debris faster than the rest of the black areas. As a result, they looked a little lighter. Paint those areas on your 1/350 scale Ohio a half shade lighter than the rest of the hull. Try adding a drop of white to a capfull of black for starters. Also, the screw in the retooled 1/350 688 boat is much better than the screw in the 1/350 Ohio. Cheers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: ECHopes@aol.com Subject: Liberty ship models Dear SMML: I would like to subscribe to your list. Am particularly interested in Liberty Ship model kits to sell in the Ship's Store of the Liberty Ship JOHN W. BROWN in Baltimore. We have been looking for decent models for a long time! Captain Brian Hope c/o Project Liberty Ship PO Box 25846 Highlandtown Station, Baltimore, MD 21224-0546 Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Joyce Scoggins" (by way of Greg Lee) Subject: USS Arkansas We are trying to find some information on the Battleship U.S.S. Arkansas of World War I. We dont want to purchase a kit. My Dad served in World War I and we want something to add to the family history. Thank you. joyce@surfari.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: SeamoreIce@aol.com Subject: Yamato model Has any one built the nichimo 1/200 scale of the Yamato to put in the gallery. Also are you going to show the 1/192 scale model by sterling of the USS Missouri -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Allan Plumb Subject: Re: More Radford Stuff >> Sorry folks I just don't 'get it'. Yea, I get the part about the $60 Million to repair and the "bow wave" effect on other ships. But, She's not going anywhere, she almost floundered and sank after the crash. If it's going to be repaired, it will be done in Norfolk, most likely by Newport News. So why would Sen. Warner and the rest of the VA. delegation be against repairing her? << USN has decided that it has too many Spruances as it is, and is trying to find takers for a few of them. Given that, it makes sense not to spend millions to repair something you have 'too many' of already. Not saying I agree, but there you are. Hmm. A Spruance should be cheaper and much-more-available than an Iowa. Maybe us SMMLies should take up a collection and buy ourselves one. So, Shane, how many of us are there? Enough for a crew? We could take her on long cruises to all the maritime museums of the world... Hoo boy! Allan Plumb (plumb@phoenix.net) Well, lets see, Spraunce/Kidd class DD's has a crew of approx 350, so while I don't want to give the number of subscribers away just yet(it keeps changing), let's just say we could crew 2 of them(that's not taking into account the subscribers who have 2 or more accounts). And don't get me started on the Kidds, they could have been RAN ships(hey that's a good idea for a "what if" scenerio). Shane - wet & 25C -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Paul Toscano" Subject: Seaways list There have been several people mentioning that they are working on wooden kits. I would like to recommend that they look at www.seaways.com. This is the web site for a superb magazine for builders of wooden ship models. The archives at the web site contain a wealth of information and joining their list is also very helpful. Ask a question and you get answers almost immediately. Subscribing to the magazine is also well worth the money. I have been building wooden ship models for years, as well as plastic, and I prefer wood. Its not so difficult and at least the material is more relalistic! Paul Osaka, Japan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Darren Scannell Subject: OzMods Models Hi Shane, I was wondering if you had any info on OZMODS Models, P.O. Box 1083, Gailes, Queensland 4300, Tel: 61-7-3818-0137? They are listed in FSM as bringing out an HMAS Melbourne in 1/350 in Nov. and I was wondering how close it would be to the HMCS Bonaventure so I could do a conversion, which A/C would be included and P/E. I haven't heard of them before so I was wondering if you knew what kind of quality the kits are and if they have an email address. Thanks Darren Scannell Hi Darren, Ahhh, I finally get to push an Aussie resin Mfr. I have the OzMods 1/700 HMAS Vampire & since this is the only resin kit I own(at the moment), my comments will have to be taken on that basis. The Vampire(Daring Class DD) is nicely done & doesn't seem to have any pinholes in the hull(again I may be talking thru my hat). The rest of the parts look Ok to me. It comes with a single piece RAN Tug. The P/E supplied looks alright, nice & fine. It'll be a right bitch(for me, that is) to attach. The instruction sheet comes with several photos of the Vampire & instructions are in "exploded" format & look alright, But don't expect WEM quality(I have their Hood & O class DD P/E). My only real bitch about the kit is it doesn't include railings. this will most probably be my next project. For reviews of OzMods kits, check my shiplist at ModelerAl's place (see URL below). As for other kits, well I haven't heard about the HMAS Melbourne, but they do HMAS Voyager in 1/700 & also recasts of the Airfix Daring as RAN DDs(though these may not be available anymore). They also have a 1/350 HMAS Vampire. OzMods line of ships are done in conjunction with the Australian National Maritime Museum at Darling Harbour, Sydney, where the Vampire is now berthed. As for conversion to the HMCS Bonaventure, I'd assume it would be an easy conversion as IIRC, they were sister ships sort off(but hey, I have been known to be wrong before, right Al Ross ;->>). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Shane Subject: Warship & Warship International Indexes Hi gang, At the moment I'm plowing thru the complete collection of Conways Warship(five at a time, courtesy of a friend) & I forgot to index the first five issues for my "shiplist" (check ModelerAl's page at http://members.aol.com/modeleral/index.html ). So if anyone out there has indexed their collections of Warships & W.I, could I get a text copy please. Thanks Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: "NEW" BOOKS and new arrivals for WEM Hi Guys We have just taken delivery of the following titles: Ross and Lambert, Allied Costal Forces of WW2 Part Two (Vosper MTBs and US Elcos) at 35.00 pounds (BTW, Part One Reprint is scheduled for April) Sumrall, Sumner, Gearing Class Destroyers 35.00 Conway's Miniature Merchant Ships 20.00 Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1906-1921 40.00 Also, the following 1999 reprint: Whitley, M. Cruisers of WW2 An International Encyclopaedia h/b large format 288pp, packed with photos and drawings, specs, history. This latest reprint differs from the last 1995 reprint in that the former linen cover has been replaced with (a la Fuso book) a high quality glossy cover printed with the same painting as is on the dustjacket... this is new, being a cool (!) rendition of HMS Sheffield on Arctic patrol with HMS Duke of York in the background. The print and paper quality is higher (the paper in particular, has a pleasing satin finish..the original was matt..) If you missed this excellent tome last time around, then we have it on a mega-special price. It normally retails at 30.00 but we are making it available for a limited period for only 20.00 pounds. First come, first served! Also, British Warships and Auxiliaries 1999-2000. s/b 96pp, many in colour. 5.95 Continuuation of this yearly classic. Dreadnoughts in Camera 1905-1920, Sutton Publishing h/b, Excellent hi-quality photographic record of the construction of these ships WAS 22.95 NOW 19.99 Kemp, P. Midget Submarines, 50pp of photographs 11.00 Greenhill Publishing Battleships of the Bismarck Class Battleships of the Bismarck Class, Koop and Schmolke, 156pp, 186 photos, 48 line drawings/sketches, h/b.Translation of original German work 25.00 Cruisers of The Royal and Commonwealth Navies Morris, Maritime Books 255pp, hb, 1879 through to 1979, about 200 great photos, every class covered 17.95 AND we just released WEM D 325 1/350 Kingfisher (x2) with etched brass details at 7.62 pounds Cheers! Caroline Carter White Ensign Models, Herefordshire (where the sun refuses to shine..), U.K. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bill Gruner Subject: 1/200 Konishi TAKAO The beautifully built up 1/200 Konishi IJNTakao by Alan McGivern was special ordered through us. We will probably not be ordering any more of their 1/200 kits, as the price of their heavy cruiser kits, for example, has gone over $2000.00. Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: UPDATE to WARSHIP HOOD ARTICLE Hallo SMMLlers, I am asking Shane to publish, and all interested to read, the following "open" letter. It was sent by ourselves to Rob Mackie in response to his "2 Hoods" article on Warship. As an update has not as yet been made to correct certain impressions that are given (I am sure that Rob will get around to updating his article eventually!), we thought it fair to allow others to read it sooner, rather than later. Rob Mackie was informed that we would be posting this letter. "Dear Rob, I read the Hood review on Warship, and it seemed a pretty balanced comparison. Obviously we have different views on photo-etched components (although I must say that part of the reason for using phto-etched doors was that the correct pattterns were not available to add to the master), but each to their own! I would however just make a couple of points. You commented on IS's one piece hull, and the advantages this has over two piece hulls for those that prefer full-hull model. You omitted however to mention that we also offer a full hull option, and that whilst this is cast in two parts, the two halves are bonded by the casters, giving the same net effect, the joint being smoothed and filled before despatch. I must say that the IS kit is much improved from the early version I saw, and for that they must of course be applauded. The WEM kit you obtained is an early offering (which you do of course point out), which has also since been improved. This does mean that the reader is unable to compare like with like. There have been a few changes to the main hull casting, such as the addition of some of the bow plating etc., and also, as you mentioned, the improvement of the main turrets and barrels, together with the U.P. launchers and one or two other small parts, plus the addition of an extra photo-etched fret to add to and improve the frets already included (if you like that sort of thing, of course!). I have attached photo's of a few of these components, and whilst I don't want to appear to be trying to alter an independent review, we would naturally be delighted if you could include these pictures to illustrate the current state of the WEM kit the customer receives as a fair comparison with IS's much improved kit. With Regards Dave Carter" ========= The photographic links are as follows (all upgraded parts and additional items have been included in the current kit at no extra cost): Turret with true-scale rivet detail. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/turret.jpg UP Launchers.. accurately rendered from a set of plans drawn by John Lambert for WEM http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/350up.jpg Additional photoetched brass detail set to include, amongst other things alternative photoetched Starfish (es) http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/upgrad.jpg Thank You for your attention. Dave Carter http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models The Best Research and Patterns, the Best Casting and the Best Instructions make the BEST ship kits in the world! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Gene Larson Subject: Battleship deck planking There has been some discussion on several lists about the deck planking on USS Texas. Maybe not the same, but I thought you might be interested in some digital photos I took last month on the battleship North Carolina memorial. The deck planking shows up quite well. To see the photos go to the NRG web site. *Under "THE GUILD'S ASSISTANCE TO RESEARCHERS AND MODEL BUILDERS" *Click on: "Maritime Institution Survey, Museum Listing and Links" *Go to "North Carolina" *Click on "U.S.S. NORTH CAROLINA BATTLESHIP MEMORIAL, Wilmington" Please be patient while the images download. Hope this helps. Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia mailto:genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org "A non-profit, tax exempt, educational organization with international membership, dedicated to maritime research and accurate ship model building." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume