Subject: SMML25/03/99VOL495 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:15:08 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Hanger deck colors 2: Re: Nautilus Models and QE2 3: Re: Sea Shadow 4: Re: Monograph Morskie #5 5: Re: Stealth Ship Sighted??? 6: Re: Tail shaft 7: Re: Monograph Morskie #5 8: Ships of the Great White Fleet 9: Ship Plan websites 10: Re: Building A Diorama 11: Re: Revell Lionfish, Nautilus models, other help 12: Re: More on Sea Shadow and Slice 13: Re: Sea Shadow 14: Re: non-modeling subjects 15: Gambier Bay Book 16: More on Sea Shadow 17: Re: Hangar Deck Colors 18: Re: Nautilus Models 19: Re: Lindberg ESSEX 20: Re: USN Fast BBs 21: Fletchers for the Nats and 1/700 Tugs 22: Re: Moral equivalence 23: Re: Moral equivalancy 24: Re: Hangar Deck Colors 25: Diorama stuff 26: Re: Lionfish 27: Mounting Anchors 28: Moral What? (No way!) and lessons learned 29: Stealth, and stuff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Admiralty Brand Rigging Line 2: Lindberg & Revell Essex 3: 1/700 USS Detroit for sale 4: Renwal ship kit listing on ebay 5: NavisMagazine 6: For Sale 7: Re: SEA SHADOW AND SLICE 8: Re: Revell Lionfish, Nautilus models, other help -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "FERNANDO, YOHAN" Subject: Re: Hanger deck colors Howard, I believe that the interior of the hanger deck was painted deck blue with white walls. This is true, at least, of wartime carriers. I'm not sure if the same applies to pre-war carriers. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Re: Nautilus Models and QE2 Hi Ted, If you visit my website: International Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm You can see a listing of Nautilus Models resin upgrades and photoetch set for the Lionfish kits. Just click on the Photoetch List button and then click on Nautilus Models. They have a website, but it has not been updated to include these products. Jim Corely is working on getting that done. However, his email is: james@NautilusModels.com. The Otaki QE2 kits is really 1/450 scale and is the same kit as the Gunze Sangyo QE2 kit. I don't know much about it, but I did get an e-mail from someone who said that it was a pleasure to build. Cheers, Felix Bustelo Webmaster International Maritime Modeling -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Sea Shadow >> What is the stated function of the Sea Shadow and is it armed?? If so How?? << From what I understand the Sea Shadow was designed as a test bed for different stealth and propulsion systems. It was designed to be used for everything from troop transport to operating as a missile and weapons platform. Like the X-29, future ship designs will come from what is learned from the Sea Shadow. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Ships and Tips http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Jon Parshall Subject: Re: Monograph Morskie #5 >> I'm trying to purchase a copy of Monograph Morskie #5, IJN Battleships Nagato and Mutsu. This book is out of print and I need it for an upcoming project. << Talk to Bill Gruner at Pacific Front Hobbies. http://www.pacificfront.com/ That's where I got my copy. Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Re: Stealth Ship Sighted??? Roger wrote :- >> I was wondering that with all of the ship traffic in the Bay, and undoubtedly numerous ship-mounted radar, was there any radio chatter about the STEALTH SHIP being visible to radar? I had read in an aircraft magazine that the Sea Shadow was entirely visible in the radar realm, even on the standard commercial sets that sailboats and motorboats carry. Are these claims true? If so, then what have our taxes paid for? << But ask yourself: was the intention to make the vessel "invisible" (and it doesn't work 100%; both the F-117A and B-2 are visible in bad weather, especially rain) or to reduce/modify the signature away from a military vessel to a commercial vessel? Based on my understanding of the various "stealth" technologies, I would suggest the latter. Remember - just because you know *a* vessel is out there doesn't mean you know *what* vessel is out there! Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "PDSI" Subject: Re: Tail shaft John: Yep, you got it right. A tail shaft is a propeller shaft. Regards Fritz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "PDSI" Subject: Re: Monograph Morskie #5 Hi Al >> I'm trying to purchase a copy of Monograph Morskie #5, IJN Battleships Nagato and Mutsu. This book is out of print and I need it for an upcoming project. << Try looking up War & Peices Hobby Shop in West Hartford Connecticut, Sorry I dont have their tel # on hand, you may have to call information. But I got my copy there about six months ago. At that point they had three copies lying around. I have no idea if the other two are still there, I left Connecticut shortly after to move back north. If they do, trust me, the plans sheets alone would be worth the postal costs. Also, I've seen that every three months or so, someone on the list will announce that they are looking for the Anatomy Of The Ship Y****O. So for those of you who may be looking for it, I know for a fact that as of last weekend they have a copy of that sitting on their shelf for sale. Good Luck Fritz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: BAD4U2GET@aol.com Subject: Ships of the Great White Fleet I am looking for an accurate list of ships that participated in the the Great White Fleet world cruise. If anyone has a list please email it to me at: "BAD4U2GET@AOL.COM Thanks for your help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Ship Plan websites Hello SMMLers, I received a question from someone who is looking for sites that have plans of tall ships that can be downloaded. He is planning to scratch build them, so I guess he needs some pretty detailed sets. I don't think there are any where you can actually download them, but at least I want to refer him to a couple of vendors that have sailing ship plans. He did not mention any particular ships. Any help would be appreciated, Felix Bustelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Cadman Subject: Re: Building A Diorama >> I'm thinking about being a kid again and building a dock with navel buildings and all that stuff. The Naval Base Hobbies has a 1/700 pier set. What size of ship should I (I know that this is a dum question) use 1/700. And do you guys know of any other sets I can use with it. Building, personal, trucks ect............ << Andy, Skywave had an entire series of accessories in 1/700. I'm not sure if all the kits are still available, but some of them were; Vehicles on the beach Tanks, trucks and jeeps Naval base Pier, and buildings Drydock Fletcher size with cranes Iwo Jima and D-Day Landing craft and vehicles U-boat base European style buildings with sub pens and German tanks You could also get harbor tugs and other boats as well as a harbor crane. I believe from Hasegawa, these were Japanese style, but could be made to look like other Countries. Also White Ensign Models has several Railroad cars and Engines, as well as some tanks and trucks that could fill those docks. They also list several buildings and pier sections, some available and some as coming soon. You should probably check these out on their web page at http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/ and look for the Dockyard Maties link. I think Jim Shirley Productions had a pier kit too. Have I forgotten anything? That will get you started anyway. Timothy AKA Cadman@kc.net http://www.kc.net/~cadman/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: Re: Revell Lionfish, Nautilus models, other help Sales@NautilusModels.com Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: More on Sea Shadow and Slice Some questions have arisen on these two vessels: Roger Clemens wrote: >> I would not be surprised at all if the ship did not have some sort of radar repeater capability, for safety reasons. Otherwise, the ship would be very dangerous in coastal waters during times of low visabilty. How they do that is a mystery to me, but I do note that anytime I have seen the ship, or pictures thereof, I note that the two top hatches are open at an approximate 90 degree angle. With the ship air conditioned, ventialtion is probably not the reason. Perhaps the inside of these hatches are coated with a radar reflective material. Or just having the hatches open is enough, like the radar reflectors that sailboats hoist. << Bradford Chaucer wrote: >> What is the stated function of the Sea Shadow and is it armed?? If so How?? << She caries no stated armament. She was built as a test vehicle for a lot of the technolgy that will make it to future Navy projects, such as reduced manning, composite structures, radar signature control and advanced hull forms. Today she is used for those purposes, and also to develop tactics for low visabilty platforms. Ralph Batykefer wrote: >> BTW, Kurt what is the SLICE technology demonstrator? << The SLICE is a smaller platfom than the Sea Shadow, constructed out of aluminum, on four struts. She is similar in concept to the Kaimalino, with a SWATH configuration and large platform on the stern half of the ship. Although a small vessel, she is capable of operating a helicopter due to her exceptional stabiltiy. She has a full computerized control center with touch screen command of her major systems - had a glance at these, very neat! Her mission seems to be to act as a forward command center for littoral operations, although the ship is very flexible and can be rapidly configured for other missions. The SLICE has a limited range, and had to be towed from Hawaii to San Francisco. She is operated by the Office of Naval Reseach. Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography (Who also types one handed a lot due to extreme affection demands of my Labrador Retriever, Ernie.) Try editing SMML & having your cat try to climb up your legs whilst you're wearing shorts, owwwww. At least when winter comes, I'll be wearing jeans as protection. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: Sea Shadow >> What is the stated function of the Sea Shadow and is it armed?? If so How?? << The Sea Shadow is a demonstration ship to that is supposed demonstrate waterborne stealth technology It has a catamaran hull with diesel electric propulsion. The top speed is about 14 knots. As a demo it does not have any weapons systems nor is there any room for any. It is actually a rather small ship, painted gray with the paint peeling near the waterline exposing rust. Didn't look too stealthy to me. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Bill Gruner Subject: Re: non-modeling subjects I really believe a more appropriate forum for discussions of the moral aspects of involvement in WW2, etc., etc, and other peripheral issues would be the sci.military.naval newsgroup on the internet, not SMML... Bill Gruner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Sheridan, John" Subject: Gambier Bay Book Does anyone know where I can find Anatomy of a ship series: The Aircraft Carrier Gambier Bay Any leads would be real helpful, John Sheridan What I do to Spammers: http://microscale.com/images/N2.jpg I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 Fight Spam! Join CAUCE! http://www.cauce.org Support the Ban of Dihydrogen Monoxide! http://www.cis.udel.edu/~way/DMRD/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: JGordon262@aol.com Subject: More on Sea Shadow Gentlemen, I stand corrected on the name of the stealth vessel, I refered to it as the Sea Phantom in error. (They say short term memory loss is the result of overwork, and I say amen to that) >> I had read in an aircraft magazine that the Sea Shadow was entirely visible in the radar realm, even on the standard commercial sets that sailboats and motorboats carry. Are these claims true? If so, then what have our taxes paid for? << It's supposed to be invisible to radar, that's the purpose of the design exercise, as I understand it. Like I said before, the surface of the vessel to be painted metal, so the stealth properties would be derived from shape alone, or from radar jamming. If they had only let me touch the surface of the thing... I've examined other US Navy vessels in the past and noticed that some have large portions of their superstructures covered in a grey painted neoprene rubber- like material for radar reduction purposes. The Sea Shadow did not appear to have this rubber coating. As to the purpose of this thing, I suspect interservice rivalry- the US Air Force got their stealth a/c, and the Navy sure as hell was going to get its own prestige toy(s). Now if they would just cut some gun ports in the side of it, install some smooth bore cannon, and mount a fake funnel on top, they could have a really cool Ironclad. ;-> Take that, Air Force! JG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Hangar Deck Colors Howard: I'm not sure about the deck itself, but the bulkheads (not walls) and overhead (not ceiling) were white to aid reflectance and illumination. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Nautilus Models The latest catalog update from Bill Gruner at Pacific Front Hobbies has all the Nautilus resin parts listed. Bill is a member of this list, or you can reach him from a link at the Warships home page. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Lindberg ESSEX Bill Gruner at Pacific Front Hobbies (a member of SMML) has this kit listed in his latest catalog update. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USN Fast BBs In terms of basic shape and layout, the SD-class kits are much more accurate and require far less correction than the NC-class. On the latter, you'll virtually have to replace the main deck to get the correct shape, do a lot of putty work to fair the hull into the main deck, then cut the superstructure off the kit's main deck and position it correctly on the new main deck. A friend of mine did it and it looks good, but it's a real chore. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Mike Taylor" Subject: Fletchers for the Nats and 1/700 Tugs Hi All, I'd like to participate in the Fletcher build - are there any "rules"? And as I can't make it is anyone willing to take it with? Also I'd mentioned earlier that I'm doing a 1/700 Floating Drydock dio-are there any suitable 1/700 tugs-that's assumeing that tugs are used to help position the ship? TIA.....Mike T -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Re: Moral equivalence With regard to the above discussion the idea of non involvement of civilians is an 18th Century invention which was more honoured in the breach than observance. History is full of non military involvement and death in almost all major wars. Turning to the Axis powers in WW2, they were both bent on conquest and aggressive expansion at the expense of their neighbours. They also introduced the methods the allies used to great effect on them. 'As ye sow so shall ye reap' Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: Moral equivalancy >> I think that to the contrary the change is a natural offshoot of the industrial revolution. In earlier centuries, the military was an elite force that put out in the field and engaged in what amounted to little better than hand to hand combat. With WWI, or perhaps a bit earlier, wars became industrial efforts with the population of the country forming the economic and industrial base that kept the armed forces running. While I am far from naive about the effect of revenge and group animus, populations became targets because that's where the factories were. Remember the ball bearing plants in Schweinfort or the steel mills of the Ruhr valley? << Yes, they were there. But the RAF bombing effort was specifically about eleminating the people and using the 'Douhet strategy' which was really about terrorizing a people out of a war. Douhet's theory didn't work of course, and the terror was skilfully exploited by Goebbels for enhancing popular support for the war effort... >>> The 'revenge for Pearl Harbor' propaganda was definetely racist and aimed at the whole of the Japanese population, as if these people were responsible for the acts of the military dicatorship which had started the war. <<< >> Who was responsible Tojo by his lonesome? Remember that we belive that Governments are established with the consent of the governed and that their power is obtained from the governed. << Interesting belief and in the case of a military oligarchy like the japanese one simply not true. >> What did win the war?? << The European war was quite simply won on the Eastern Front (which was logistically by a combination of USSR and US). By the time the american anti industrial bombing campaigns became effective Hitler had lost the war at Stalingrad, Kursk and the North Cape (by not disrupting the Murmansk convoy system at some critical moments). (again, 'Kursk' was in logistical-strategic terms much an american effort) >> Actually I take he rather controversial view that MAD and the threat of nuclear annihilation had a great limiting effect on warfare in he latter half of the century. I suspect that but for the threat, a leas a dozen of more incidents in Europe, not to mention Korea, Vietnam, the Middle East, would have resulted in Major "World Wars" << I don't think so but I'm not sure; Now that the archives in the 'east' have opened we'll have to wait about 50 years for the ones in the west to open and we can make a final verdict about that. BTW for much of the world, the so-called 'third world', the cold war was anyhing but peaceful. Pieter Cornelissen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "mkrumrey" Subject: Re: Hangar Deck Colors I don't know what color hangar decks were painted on pre war ships, but......I was on the Valley Forge (LPH-8, CV-45), Inchon, (LPH-12), Belleau Wood (LHA-3), and Kearsarge (LHD-3), and on all of them, the hangar deck was the dark grey non-skid, and the bulkheads and overheads were white. Photo's that I have seen of hangar decks of carriers during WWII seem to be the same, with a dark non-skid surface, and white bulkheads and overheads. This would make sense, as the white would reflect the light. Hope this helps. Mark Krumrey New RIchmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "mkrumrey" Subject: Diorama stuff Skywave used to make a lot of pier side accessories in 1/700, buildings, cranes, tugs, vehicles, piers, etc. As I no longer buld in 1/700, due to changes in my visual accuity, I don't know if this stuff still exists, but I'm sure it is out there languishing in some collection. In fact, I have a couple of boxes of the stuff, languishing on my shelves in the basement. Mark Krumrey New Richmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Lionfish >> Oh great keepers of all modeling knowledge....... I have the Revell lionfish kit, but remember seeing Nautilus Models had some resin conning towers and guns and such. Does anyone know the URL for them? << Wow, two sub questions in a row. Maybe you guys are finally catching on that there are really only two kinds of ships- subs & targets......just kidding! The Nautilus Model conning towers can be purchased by email from Nautilus Models by mailing to Sales@NautilusModels.com You can also get these conversion kits from Bill Gruner at Pacific Front Hobbies. You can now select from 4 conning towers; Gato (Gato as built- with fully enclosed conning tower) early war Gato (Bluefish- partial cutback with sail tower forward gun deck), late Gato (USS Harder-further cutback with side openings in bridge area) and Balao (Icefish? fully open and shortened conning tower). These are all extremely well done resin kits, including very decent gun sets, by Jon Warneke. A set of photoetch railings, gunsights and various small parts in brass to go along with the towers can also be purchased. Having spent many hours with jeweller saw, putty and bondo in the past rebuilding the awful conning tower in the kit, I can tell you that the Nautilus sets are THE way to go! I build sub models for WWII vets, and I really appreciate the great research job that went into these upgrade kits. My greatest pleasure now in opening a new Lionfish is locating the kit conning tower pieces and immediately TRASHING THEM!!! BTW, if you want to do the USS Barb (previous sub post), use the Bluefish set. (Blatant Commercial) I am in the midst of writing up an article for Warships on correcting the Revell Lionfish kit, which will be part of the submarine section expansion by Rob Mackie in the near future. Will cover such esoterica as the different kinds and shapes of limber (freeflood holes) used by the various shipyards, and various modifications made to the fleet subs as the war progressed. Also, how do I paint my sub (depends on what year of the war you are modelling), and where they painted red below the waterline (NO!!)? Tom Dougherty visit the submarine model group, the SubCommittee at: http://www.wolfsong.com/SubCommittee/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: JVT7532@aol.com Subject: Mounting Anchors Hi gang, I have a question I hope someone can help me out with. I have just about finished up my Lone Star Models, CSS Manassas and was looking on how to mount the anchors, does anyone know how they where held on the sloping deck? I would guess that there was some kind of Chocks involved but since there are no pictures available I could use a few ideas so that it would look reasonable to the times. Also which way would they be mounted? Thanks again for all the help. Best regards, Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: RCClem@aol.com Subject: Moral What? (No way!) and lessons learned I've read with interest the several comments on this topic, particularly the ones regarding the US's dropping of the Bomb to end the war. MY dad drove landing craft in the Pacific and was involved in many, many landings, both large and small. The worst ones, as far as emotional impact, were when civilians that were sympathetic to the Japanese met the boats at the beach or just inshore. It taught them all what to expect if the invasion of the Home Islands were to happen. When the war ended, he was in the northern Philippines with several thousand other GIs being conditioned to accept what REAL total war would be like. Its taken me 30 years to gather bits and pieces of his thoughts and memories in order to sumarize the above. Its not something that he has ever volunteered to talk about. But I can tell you one thing. He and all of the American, British, Australian, New Zealand, etc., etc, soldiers packed together on Luzon all thought the Bomb was the best solution for ALL sides. He thinks that if we had not used the bomb in actual conflict in WW2, someone, somewhere would have used it in a smaller "brushfire" type of conflict. Hiroshima and Nagasaki showed us the horror of nuclear war and helped us avoid it since. We'll keep avoiding it as long as we don't forget. Roger Clemens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: Stealth, and stuff I've read the comments re the Sea Shadow with interest, since I've followed the development of Stealth technology over the years. Ben Rich's book, "The Skunk works" has background in the development of the Shadow, and the reluctance of the Navy to get fully behind the project. However what is important to remember is that just because a vehicle is labelled "Stealthy", doesn't mean its invisible. The first Stealth design to go into operation the 117 has 2 modes of operation, first is the standard operational readiness, with seams visible, radar transponders bolted on. This renders it visible to all forms of radar. The second mode of operation, which its using as I type this , has all seams smoothed, and filled, transponders removed. This takes some time to achieve, but once prepared for operational missions in this way, the aircraft becomes very, very difficult to track. It can still be seen on radar, however the ability of normal fire control radar's to get a targeting fix dimishes to very small percentage. This is true for most stealth designs, Shadow is probably not fully stealth prepared, and even is she was the wake produced by here would tend to make her visible on Radar. However like the 117 the reason for stealth in her case is not to make her invisible, but to reduce the probability of her being targeted effectively. Oh BTW anybody see, "tomorrow Never Dies", didn't the baddies ship look a LOT like the Sea Shadow!, and it took James Bond to make her visible to Radar.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Tony Suess" Subject: Admiralty Brand Rigging Line After a absence of over 10 years from the market, Admiralty Brand Rigging Line is back. Long considered the finest available, this is true scale rigging line, handmade specifically for ship modeling. When originally on the market it was considered the standard by which rigging line was judged; used by every major museum, collector, and professional modeler. Available exclusive at The Modelers Boatyard http://www.modelersboatyard.com/Fittings/admiralty_brand_rigging_line.htm Tony The Modelers Boatyard The Internet's Largest, Most Complete Ship Modelers Resource www.modelersboatyard.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Lindberg & Revell Essex Naval Base carries both the Linberg Yorktown II straight deck in 1/525 scale. Also the Lexington angled deck Essex from Revell 1/540. We also sell photoetching for both kits. Both can be found at: http://www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: jpoutre@lehman.com (Joseph Poutre) Subject: 1/700 USS Detroit for sale Hello, I am selling a Corsair Armada 1/700 USS Detroit, a scout or light cruiser of the Omaha class, in her late war fit. The model resin, waterline, and includes all parts, but no P-E brass. All the parts are there, including some extra that the manufacturer was very kind to give me. The model is in like-new condition, with no serious sink holes and no damage. But wait, there's more. :-) (What, a pair of steak knives ;-> , Shane) I'm including three sets of Tom's Modelworks PE brass - #704 3 bar rail and ladders, #706 US WWII misc. radar, and #718 parts specifically for the Omaha class. I'm asking $60, what I paid for just the model, and I'll pay for shipping (Priority Mail) in the continental US. Outside the US, I'll cover $3.20 of the shipping cost. I'll take a personal check or money order in US currency. Why am I selling such a beautiful model? First, because I'm moving soon and am trying reduce the number of things I have to move. And second, I plan to buy the new Iron Shipwright full hull 1/350 USS Detroit after I move. (My wife only knows about the first part. Plus she's dumping many articles of clothing, and I just know she's going to "need" to replace them, so it's only fair that I upgrade, too. :-) Joe Poutre Co-Webmaster, Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society http://www.bb62museum.org/ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "joseph w. reyna" Subject: Renwal ship kit listing on ebay Please check my Ebay auction listing links below for your opportunity to purchase some or all of the RENWAL line of 1/500 scale Warship models. These models are all in MINT CONDITION, COMPLETE, and ready to build or collect. Complete your RENWAL naval fleet collection, or collect the ENTIRE RENWAL fleet line on Ebay! USS COMPASS ISLAND Experimental Ballistic Missile Ship: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81016614 USS SARASOTA Attack Transport: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81026411 USS SEMINOLE Attack Cargo Ship: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81027027 USS TICONDERGOA Aircraft Carrier: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81029578 USS NORTH CAROLINA Battleship: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81023765 USS GALVESTON Guided Missile Cruiser: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81019827 USS FARRAGUT Guided Missile Destroyer: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81018874 And check out the latest update to my kits for sale list webpage at: http://members.home.net/jreyna/ForSale/KitSale.html Among the newest additions, all MINT CONDITION and COMPLETE: - AURORA "RAT PATROL" and "ANZIO" Diorama kits - AURORA "ATLANTIS" - WWII German Sea Raider - AURORA "SEAVIEW" Submarine from "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" - RENWAL 1/500 USS SARASOTA Attack Transport - HELLER 1/400 Scale HMS HOOD And many other kits!! Thank You! Joe Reyna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: NavisMagazine The March issue of NavisMagazine continues its account of the Guadalcanal campaign, focusing on the battle of Savo Island, along with articles on German aircraft propaganda stories in WWII, the sinking of Japanese carrier SHINANO, Commander Fuchida's B5N2 "Kate" bomber, and walk arounds of the Italian missile destroyer L. DURAND DE LA PENNE and the last Kawanishi H8K2 "Emily" flying boat. Build up reviews spotlight the IJN Tenryu in 1/700, USS Quincy in 1/700, a Junsen 1-class transport sub in 1/700, and Lindberg's Gato. Photo specials cover hunting Japanese aircraft wrecks in the Solomons and the battle of Cape Engano (with rare unpublished photos). Plus the usual departments and a Modeler Profile of Willy Scholte. http://navismagazine.com Ken THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: HDente@aol.com Subject: For Sale WSW Lutzow $85.00 ea, WSW Askold $45.00 ea Profile Morskie Indianapolis $13.00, Maya $13.00 ON DECK: USS Alabama $12.00 WR Press Atlanta Class Cruisers $28.00 Shipping is $4.00 under $50.00, $5.00 over $50.00 Send Check or money order to: Research in Scale, 205 Maryland Ave, Paterson, NJ 07503 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Baker Subject: Re: SEA SHADOW AND SLICE To those seeking further information about the SEA SHADOW and the SLICE, may I recommend that they look up the entries for the craft in the 1998-99 edition of COMBAT FLEETS OF THE WORLD, where they are described in considerable detail--and also illustrated. the older SEA SHADOW also appears in earlier editions. SLICE was a Congressionally-mandated technology demonstrator that was actually intended as a means of sticking the USN with funding and administering development of a relatively speedy and very sea-kindly commercial passenger ferry design. To its surprise and pleasure, the USN found that the resultant craft performed as advertised and has been using her extensively for trials with various equipment and operational concepts. SLICE's hydrodynamic design differs essentially from that of the SWATH (Small WAterplane, Twin-Hull) SEA SHADOW in that there are four separate buoyancy pods, with the spacing greater between the after pair than the forward pair. SWATHs are limited in maximum speed by powering requirements, while the SLICE design is more hydrodynamically efficient, and speeds of over 30 kts are attainable. The library, folks, is FULL of good books, and, even if it is not, it is full of librarians, who just love to help people find information and can order books for you on Inter-Library loan if they are not in the local collection. P.S.: You won't find the SLICE in Janes' Fighting Ships. A.D. Baker, III -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SJantscher@aol.com Subject: Re: Revell Lionfish, Nautilus models, other help Ted, I hope this helps, as I contacted Nautilus a while ago. His web site is very primative, and James commented on it in his e-mail to me. Listed below is a discription of his submarine items. Good luck, I just purchased two Revell Lionfish kits to use with these. Steve Jantscher The website manager I hired took 5 months to do what he did.....I am woefully behind in updating it, trying to get a fellow modeller & internet whiz to do it for me. Here is my standard product list: Thanks for the interest, James Nautilus Models 2550 Alberta Lane Marietta, GA 30062-1504 james@NautilusModels.com 770-943-3482 Here are the resin sets & the photoetch now available, but we also carry a full line of KMC and TAC Scale Dynamics parts for aircraft. Add $3 to total for Priority Mail shipping. We accept check, m/o, Visa/MC. ***** Nautilus Kits #S-01 THRU #S-04 are resin upgrade sets for the Revell Lionfish WW2 Fleet Sub. This kit has been released under many names over the past 40 years, but the kit has never improved. ***** S-01 USS BLUEFISH update set $19.95 ($21.00 w/S&H) The upgrade includes a fairwater to represent USS BLUEFISH in the summer of 1943. The set includes the EARLY cut-down fairwater, periscopes, TBT and deck guns. The set includes one 4"/50 mount, one 40mm single mount, 20 20mm guns with a tripod and a conical base each. This configuration should allow for the completion of any one of the mid-war boats. S-02 USS HARDER update set $19.95 ($21.00 w/S&H) The upgrade includes a fairwater to represent USS HARDER in the summer of 1944. The set includes the LATE cut-down fairwater, periscopes, TBT and deck guns. The set includes one 4"/50 mount, one 40mm single mount, two 20mm guns with a tripod and a conical base each. This configuration should allow for the completion of any one of the late-war boats. S-03 USS GATO update set $19.95 ($21.00 w/S&H) This set allows the builder to convert the Lionfish kit to the original fit of the "1500-ton" submarine as built in 1941. The boat has the fully streamlined fairwater and periscope shears and is fitted with a single 3"/50 gun aft and a .50 cal MG in the sail. S-04 USS ICEFISH update set $19.95 ($21.00 w/S&H) The Balao set represents the penultimate WW2 sub class in its early configuration. This set comes with the early-style Balao periscope shears and is fitted with a 5"/25 deck gun, a 4"/50 deck gun, two single 40mm and two 20mm guns. SM-01 USN Fleet Sub Photoetch $15.00 ($16.00 w/S&H) This set of photoetched brass will complete the Revell Lionfish kit, either with or without the Nautilus conversion sets. ******Coming Soon******* SPRING 1999 SPR99 D-01 1/350 FLETCHER class DDE, 1950 ASW update for Tamiya kit SPR99 D-02 1/700 FLETCHER class DDE, 1950 ASW update for Tamiya kit This set will convert either Tamiya kit into a 1950 ASW updated destroyer. The set will include complete new superstructure and the following weapons: 2 Mk 33 twin 3"/50 mounts 3 Mk10 Hedgehog 1 Mk15 trainable Hedgehog 1 Mk108 Weapon "Alpha" The assortment of ASW weapons will allow for the completion of several different ships including USS Renshaw & USS Conway SPR99 D-03 1/350 FLETCHER class DD, FRAM conversion set for Tamiya kit SPR99 D-04 1/700 FLETCHER class DD, FRAM conversion set for Tamiya kit This set will convert either Tamiya kit into the DASH-equipped FRAM DD of the mid 1960s. This set will include complete new superstructure, tripod mast, funnel stacks & caps and the following weapons: 1 Mk108 Weapon "Alpha" 2 Mk10 Hedgehog VDS - Variable Depth Sonar array photoetch for the flight deck nets and radar mast. SPR99 C-40 1/480 YORKTOWN 1942 Update set for Revell YORKTOWN kit This set will correct the Revell kit into the YORKTOWN as she appeared at Midway. The set will comprise a new resin island and guns. It is designed to fit the excellent GMM photoetch set for this kit. White metal airplanes will be offered seperately. SPR99 A-01 1/480 TBD Devastators 10 pcs SPR99 A-02 1/480 F4F-4 Wildcats 10 pcs SPR99 A-03 1/480 SBD-3 Dauntless' 10 pcs ****New Subjects**** FALL99 C-10 1/540 INDEPENDENCE 1998 update set for Revell Forrestal kit FALL99 C-20 1/540 MIDWAY 1945 update set for Revell MIDWAY/FDR kit FALL99 C-30 1/540 ORISKANY 1972 Update set for Revell LEXINGTON kit WINT99 C-11 1/540 FORRESTAL 1976 update set for Revell Forrestal kit WINT99 C-41 1/480 HORNET 1942 Update set for Revell YORKTOWN kit These sets will include full superstructures and gun sets for the intended set. Some sets will also include updated sponsons, etc. Each will be designed to use the appropriate Gold Medal Models set to complete the model. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume