Subject: SMML29/03/99VOL499 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:25:17 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Tamiya Prince of Wales problems 2: Floquil Marine Paints 3: The Lighthouse Story 4: Re: IPMS and plastic and Shane 5: Re: Nautical humor 6: Re: POW photo etch 7: Re: Another Skywave bow problem 8: Re: Haze Gray 9: Re: Tamiya reps. 10: Re: Gray or Grey 11: Re: USS The Sullivans 12: Camouflage book question 13: Re: The Sullivans 14: Naval Books 15: Re: USS THE SULLIVANS 16: Inclining experiment 17: OT: Single Malt Scotches 18: Re: railway chain 19: Decals 20: Custom Dioramics/Armada Scale Models Productions out of business?? 21: Re: Sumner/Gearing 22: Peace Offering 23: US 1/600 Battleships 24: Dave Krakow is correct! 25: Canadian Maple Leafs 26: Fletcher Decals 27: Air brushes 28: Missouri to Iowa conversion 29: Re: HMS Collingwood -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Large Arizona Model 2: Classic Warships will sponsor the 1/700 Fletcher Contest 3: *** Urgent - Virus warning *** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Note from Shane: Hi gang, Lorna & myself are going down to Canberra on Wednesday 31/03. We'll be staying overnight as we are going to a to see a fellow APMA member's wife's quilt exhibition. Because of this, SMML Vol 501 will be going out early Wednesday at approx 1030 Aus time & wiil be back to normal on Thursday. To help things out, I'll try & put issue 500 out a little early & also maybe put issue 502 out a bit early as well Sorry for the late notice, but we only just decided to go. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Jens H. Brandal" Subject: Tamiya Prince of Wales problems Bradford, If you choose to install all the three decl pieces as one, there are chances that the deck pieces may be too short. I know this is very un-Tamiya-like, but my preference woud be to install the bow and stern deck pieces first, and then the middle deck. Any joints that need taken care of are still easily accessible for filling and sanding. You can of course still glue strips of plastic under the bow and stern deck sections to add strength when the middle deck is glued in place. Fill and sand the deck where it meets the hull, and then paint. You may be a better modeller than I am, because I can never get an invisible seam where two parts meet, so painting a deck and the assembling is out of the question for me:) The holes marked K, are for the King George V I presume... Gold Medal Models make a photoetched set, and if it's anything like the Missouri, Yamato, Tirpitz sets in 1:350, it should be well worth the extra time and money. Jens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: K-Marsh@webtv.net (Rich Hahn) Subject: Floquil Marine Paints Hello Fellow Shipmodelers! Perhaps someone can help me out. I want to try out Floquil Marine paints on my upcoming models, but can't find it in any local hobby stores. Does anyone sell it over the net? I'd like to try their Navy Blue out on my 1/1200 New Jersey project. Thanks for any and all assistance. Rich Hahn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: MDDoremus@aol.com Subject: The Lighthouse Story Guys...... Come on, this story is older than most of us and cuter than all of us. It's got the USN so PO'ed that they actually added it to one of their FAQ's. They point out that at the time the story was supposed to have happened, the Nimitz was in dry dock, and extremely unlikely to have been taking part in any operation ASW or otherwise. In my own collection I have Bennett Cerf's 1943 "Try and Stop Me," in the section on Military Humor, he reports the exact same story involving a battleship and a lighthouse. I suspect that this story is probably as old as the first radio on a ship. Mark Doremus Eden Prairie -- Where spring happened on Friday, winter returned on Sunday. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: IPMS and plastic and Shane >> Ship modelers in the area are welcome and encouraged to bring sail, steam, wood, plastic, resin, or what-have-you to enter in the various ship categories in the associated model contest. Yes, IPMS does (and has for several years) allow non-plastic entries in its contests. << It's IPMS (Int Plastic Mod Soc.) not ITPMS (Int Thermoplastic Mod Soc). Resin is a plastic too! >> Now Bob, if you're going to quaff a drink or five on my behalf, you better make sure it's a single malt scotch, from the verrrrrry top shelf. Greg can add his poison as well ;->> Shane - who likes the odd lager or five, but put a bottle of scotch in front of me & it enters the endangered list rather quickly. << I knew that there was a reason I liked you beside your delivering my favorite daily read to me :-). What are your favorites?? And before anyone labels this as OT, I consider a good scotch to be an essential modeling tool! Regards, Bradford Chaucer Hi Bradford, Well I'm not much of a connoisseur (can't afford to be), I generally go for for a wee drop of Glenfiddich, although Isle of Jura is a damm good drop as well. And to bring it back on topic: In the eighties there used to be a bar in the Menzies Hotel (Sydney) called the Highland Fling which sold only single malts. There I got my first & so far only taste of a nice drop called Orkney's ;->>. Shane - who also considers scotch an essential tool in modelling -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: b29@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Nautical humor I heard this story several years ago, but in that version, it was the U.S.S. ENTERPRISE, and a U.S. east coast lighthouse. I believe that it was quoted by Dan Jones in PLASTIC SHIP MODELER, where there is a more complete version. Don't remember which issue that was, but I'm sure that Dan knows. Paul Jacobs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: POW photo etch >> I presume that there is a PE set or two for this monster. Who makes one and which one is recommended. (Rusty, you don't have to embarrass yourself by having to recommend a competitor :-) ) << No embarrassment here. I recommend competitors all the time when I can't provide what the client wants. Loren Perry makes the best POW/KG5 set I know of. Off the subject for a moment. I held up developing detail sets for the/350 Tamiya kits when I heard Missouri, Tirpitz and KG5 were going to be discontinued. Apparently these rumors were bogus. I am currently developing the largest detail set ever for the /350 Iowa class models. I'll have to admit though, GMM and Tom's are tough acts to follow. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Skywave bow problem Another problem I noticed with the Skywave Gearing kit was the freeboard (I hope that's the right term) on the bow. I'm operating from 2 years back memory here so correct me if I'm wrong. The bow freeboard was way too extreme. Gearings and Sumners had very little curve from the deck to the keel while the Skywave kit had a very extreme curve. Between this problem and the sheer problem it would be extremely difficult and time consuming to correct. You would be better off scratchbuilding a new hull, cut the superstructure from the kit (which is really great) and attach it to scratchbuilt hull. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Haze Gray >> One more question about paint. Is today's USN haze gray different from 1984's haze gray? And is 1984's haze gray different from the 50's or 60's haze gray? (Okay that's two more questions) << Haze Gray hasn't changed. I mix 2 parts Testors Medium Gray with one part Testors Camouflage Gray. Medium Gray is important since it has a noticeable blue tint to it. It comes very close to the Haze Gray on my Floating Dry Dock color chip. You may want to lighten it a bit depending on what scale you build. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Tamiya reps. Don't take ANYTHING any company rep. tell you seriously. All major model companies keep information such as new releases VERY close to the vest. Upper management would keep such secrets better if they told the President of IPMS rather than a company sales rep. Three months before the 1/350 Fletcher was released, I spoke to a Tamiya rep at a huge show in Texas. He told he hadn't heard anything about any 1/350 ship models being produced. The same crap goes on at the Nationals every year. You get a long lecture about company pride, quality of kits, the reps family, his dog, his dog's house but very little about upcoming releases. Hell, that's why 95% of us are there! When pressured for an answer, they just smile and look dumb. Take that for what it's worth. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Gray or Grey I'm sure this will start an interesting thread. I read the difference between Gray and Grey was that Gray was tinted with Navy Blue (which would explain the blue tint to Haze Gray for example) and Grey was tinted with black? Is this true? It's Gray (or Grey) here in Oklahoma with rain and the smell of plastic in the air. Never mind, that's dinner. I have the only wife who uses a smoke detector instead of a timer. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Oh BTW Rusty, How's the modelling table, exacto & superglue going. Sorry is that your family I hear snickering in the background ;->> . Shane - who's ploughing thru back issues of the IPMS(USA) Update, quarterly & Journel & discovering all sorts of things about SMML subscribers!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: USS The Sullivans John, In "The Anatomy of the Ship - USS The Sullivans", there are a couple of current photos that show that the deckhouse was never made continuous. Even though she has been retrofitted with the WWII torpedo tubes, I don't think they changed the superstructure back to its original configuration. There are no drawings in that book that show her configuration after the 1961 refit that installed the Mk 32 tubes. The text says that the Mk 32 mounts were mounted just aft of the 3"/50 positions, for what that's worth. As far as Haze Grey paint, today's is the same as 1984's color (FS26270, according to the notes I took while my ship was in an overhaul). But FS26270 is way too dark for a small scale replica. I don't know about its shade in the 50's & 60's, but I would not expect any difference. WWII colors are a different story. That's why we have John Snyder & Randy Short to keep us honest. Rick Seattle, WA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Phil Lord" Subject: Camouflage book question As a prospective buyer, I appreciated the recent comments in support of the three D. K. Brown books on "British Warship Design". Here's hoping the Hamilton Books catalog appears in the mailbox this week. I keep telling my wife that you can NEVER have too many books in the reference collection (assuming the house foundation remains sound) but she is getting tired of the embezzling of the children's college fund. I said she should be proud of the fact that our son is probably the only boy in his second grade class who can distinguish between the silhouettes of Bismarck and HMS Rodney, but she still won't relent...Neither will I! On a serious note, I was wondering if anyone has any information about this title, which I have never seen. Painter's Guide to World War Two Naval Camouflage by P. Hreachmack Paperback (July 1996) Partizan P; ISBN: 1858180007 Thanks, Phil Lord Hi Phil, In regards to this book, does the term "incoming" mean anything!!! This book was well & truly panned in Plastic Ship Modeller by BOTH Alan Raven & Dan Jones in PSM 96/4. In 97/1 Mr Hearchmack replied to the criticism & was again eaten alive by Messers Raven & Jones. Suffice it to say Dan allowed 3 1/12 pages of PSM over two issues on this book!!!! Dan may very well have some more comments to add to his review. As for Alan Raven, well, if someone passes your query on, he'll most probably do the same in a future SMML. Shane - who at the moment wouldn't touch this book with a ten foot barge pole!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: The Sullivans >> Does anyone know if, when The Sulllivans (DD-537) lost her remaining quintuple torpedo tubes and got her Mk 32 triple tubes, the space between her after deckhouse and mid ship deckhouse was enclosed to form one continuous deckhouse? Also, what would be the exact location of the triple tubes? Were they even with the aft stack or aft of it? Did they add an extension to the deck for them? If they did, did it extend to the main deck edge? << Most likely, the MK32s were installed during the 9/61-2/62 major overhaul period. THE SULLIVANS is a museum ship in Buffalo, NY. Why not just ask for some photos of her? Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Tom Dean Subject: Naval Books Hi Gang: On a trip to the hobby store today, the owner showed me two books she had just received in the mail as a promotion. They are apparently new, at least to Canada, although some of you might have already seen them State side. They were two books in a series calle "Warship Perspectives". The two books I saw were "Atlanta Class Cruisers" & "Fletchers,Gearings & Sumners". They are soft covered and about 60 pages. They had numerous pictures, deck arrangements, various stack emblems, profile plans, chamo schemes in both black & white and colour as well as paint chips to go with them. They also had drawing of armaments and various updates to the class. All this was accompanied by text as to the history of the class etc. Nice looking books. The accompanying letter said that there will be books following on Battleship classes, submarines, and yes "FLOWER CLASS CORVETTES". Unfortunately the shipper did not give a recommended cost price in the letter to the hobby centre, so can't help you there. They are circulated by W.R. Press Inc., New York. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USS THE SULLIVANS Re: Haze Gray paint. Haze Gray (5-H) has remained virtually unchanged since the neutral Haze Gray replaced the purple-blue Haze Gray in late 1944. For those holding our USN Paint Chip Set #2, it's the #27 Haze Gray 5-H. We've also given Bill Gruner the FS refreence numbers for that and the current Deck Gray (don't have them right at hand). John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SJantscher@aol.com Subject: Inclining experiment Hi All, A nagging question that seems to be concerned with a ship's ability to sustain a roll or list; I've often seen photographs of (U.S.) ships taken during "inclining experiments" (following completion or a refit?), and wonder just what it means. Anyone know for sure what is happening during such an experiment? I'm just an airdale... Steve Jantscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: THENRYS@aol.com Subject: OT: Single Malt Scotches >> Now Bob, if you're going to quaff a drink or five on my behalf, you better make sure it's a single malt scotch, from the verrrrrry top shelf. Greg can add his poison as well ;->> Shane - who likes the odd lager or five, but put a bottle of scotch in front of me & it enters the endangered list rather quickly. << Now you've really piqued my interest. What would be your scotch of choice? I like to enjoy a Macallans or Laphroig, but my favorite would be the Springbank of Cambeltown - preferably in the 21 year vintage - although I do have a bottle of the 15 year 100 proof which is the preferred bottle in some circumstances. Todd Henry (And they say modelers aren't cultured) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: railway chain >> For those of you who use railroad chain on 1/700 ships for anchor chain, what kind (brand) do you use. The smallest I have been able to find in local hobby stores is 40 links per inch and it looks too large to me, especially on a cruiser or destroyer. << I think you are right, the finest chain is too large for 1/700 (I use it on 1/350). For 1/700 I suggest that you use the etched brass chain from Gold Medal. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: John Sheridan Subject: Decals >> Would also recommend flight deck markings for 1/350, 1/700 Aircraft Carriers. Specifically "Foul" lines, and all the little elevator and electrical hookup markings that are abundant on carriers and the big deck "Gators". << I asked one of the model manufacturer if they were interested in heading such a project. Unfortunately, they were told by their distributor that there was no market for such a set of decals. If you want these kind of decals made, be sure to speak-up so that people understand there is a market for such an item ! John Sheridan @ Microscale Decals http://www.microscale.com If I'm talking Decals, then i'm talking for Microscale, Otherwise I am speaking for myself. What I do to Spammers: http://microscale.com/images/N2.jpg I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 Fight Spam! Join CAUCE! http://www.cauce.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Custom Dioramics/Armada Scale Models Productions out of business?? Can anyone produce any further info on this announcement on RMS? We were about to place another order re the Vega and the Kootenay kits they did. Cheers, Caroline C White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: tom Subject: Re: Sumner/Gearing Dan Jones writes: >> It looks ok at first when looking at the hull mounted on its sprue. However the large pouring gates on either sid of the huil blocks the view of the sheer line and helps disguise the problem. Remove the hull molding from the carrier sprues and look at it in profile. You will see that it does indeed have two straight angles that intersect rather than a continiously curved sheerline. << Are the Skywave Sumner and Gearing class off of the same molds as the Albatross Sumner and Gearing? Best regards, Tom Kremer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: gjstein@mindspring.com Subject: Peace Offering As I seem to have been somewhat insensitive in raising critical issues on the "Victory at Sea" article in our SMML forum, permit me to make a small gesture of returning us to our main themes of modeling & history. The Air War College has developed one of the best "gateways" to all things (unclassified) military, including Naval matters. So, bookmark the following. I hope you enjoy it. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/awcgate.htm Yes, it's really that complicated, but give it a try. Let me know what you think. Prof. George Stein, Chairman Dept of Future Conflict Studies -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Mithrandir@clear.net.nz Subject: US 1/600 Battleships For those who are interested the Warehouse (_discount_ AKA junk department store) in New Zealand has recently begun stocking a line of Chinese kits, LEE brand. Considering the prices most kits are in NZ these are quite cheap. The range includes 4 US battleships in 1/600 scale. The Iowa, Wisconsin, New Jersey and Missouri for NZ$15 each. (~US$7.50) My question is are there significant differences between these four ships to make it worthwhile purchasing all four or at least more than one of these kits? Or would I likely just be getting 4 copies of the same sprues with a few small variations? I have brought the Missouri. Persuade me to buy some of the others, or not. :) FWIW the kits have only marginal detail. There is not to much flash. The worst shortcoming is the lack of crispness in the molds. Some of the molded detail had a distinctly blobby look. Full hull molded in one piece. The range also includes 4 US aircraft carriers in approx 1/1200: CVN 65, 65new, 69, 70. NZ$8. Also 8 different destroyers in 1/700 $7 NZ Warrick Taylor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Dave Krakow is correct! The posting by Mr. Krakow is correct, although I would not have been quite so harsh on the Deans Marine kit, as most models are what YOU make of them. Again, the information contained within the excellent book and alternate plans by Mr. Huff, is finally, the correct and by far the most accurate. Even though the book is a German language text, the abundance of renderings and extensive photographic presentation will show that all previously published documentation is full of mistakes. Yes, the Revell-Germany model of the Emden in 1/350th is pretty good. Anyone planning to scratch build a large scale model of the Emden would be making a fatal mistake by not using this information. All of the above is available from Christian Schmidt Books, which can be found on line. This brings up an interesting subject. Has anyone thought of starting a correct listing of accurate drawings, to weed out the incorrect? Thank you and good luck, Steve Wiper/Classic Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Canadian Maple Leafs I would likee to know if anyone has information on the color of the Canadian Maple Leaf on the funnels of Candian ships. I beleave that they are currently red, but would like to know what colors they have been historically. Did they change colors on camouflaged ships? Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Fletcher Decals Hello Mark, No, I am not the same Fowler from "Fowler Aviation." I have just finished a set of carrier deck numbers in 1/350 and 1/700 scale in white and black. Since many of the other markings were unique to the carrier or at least class of carrier, I have been working on them on a custom basis. I have also been working on a few custom sets of entire air wings which should be finished shortly. As to the Fletcher anti-skid decals, I will do 1/350 and 1/700 scale. I will put out an announcement when I am finished. Thanks to all for the interest and the comments. This list has been an invaluable reference. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Frederick Wagner Subject: Air brushes I decided to take the plunge and try some painting of 1:1250 ships. Can any of you recommend an air brush suitable for painting these ships? I went to the local Hobbyland and the staff and customers all joined in and gave me lots of advice: 1. Get the new testors-double action and easy to clean. Binks stinks. Badger not so hot. 2. Don't get the new testors-can't soak plastic body in cleaning solvent. 3. Don't get a double action brush- unless you are perfect, you get variable flow. 4. Get a tried and true Paasche- The H is what you want. 5. For that scale get a Paasche F-it will do 1/128th inch lines 6. You really need four brushes so you can switch around depending on the job. 7. In any event, stick with the tried and true solvent thinned paints- easy to control and you can take your time and get it right. 8. Forget solvent based paints unless you have good ventilation. Acrylics are harder to get used to but once you do, you will find they give better results with less trouble. 9. Cleanup is easier with solvent based/acrylic based paints(pick one). Of course none of these fellows works with 1:1250. I don't wish to become an expert in air brush technology. I just want a suggestion or two from an experienced modeler so I can get started with some hope of success. Anything you can suggest will be much appreciated. Thanks, Fritz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Morley, James (London)" Subject: Missouri to Iowa conversion I've just done this conversion myself, and Louis is right, it is an interesting project. The problem is, with the kit already completed, backdating to include the conversion set would be a horrendous exercise (on the assumption that you used something stronger than paper glue to put it together in the first place!!). Iowa refitted in Jan 1945 to replace the open bridge structure (amongst other things) and also landed the Kingfishers (I think). The result is that, with the exception of the 3 x 20mm (instead of 1 x 40mm) on B turret, and the "Mattress" radar (replaced in 1946 I think), the only other major distinction would be the shape of the Bow 20mm tub. Tom's conversion set does not provide you with this. So there you are, to do the 1945 Iowa you will use 1 part of the Toms set (the B turret tub), you'll need a photoetch replacement for the search radar, and you will be short 3 x 20mm (to put in the tub). An expensive, but better, alternative would be to get another Mo, a Toms or GMM fast battleship set, and a Toms or Classic warships 20mm set, and do the conversion from scratch. This is what I did, and it has proved something of an education! I have stretched credibility slightly by modelling Iowa Dec 1944, with straight edge 5N Navy Blue / 5L Light Grey disruptive pattern (deck 20B obviously). This was a modification of the earlier pattern (which originally featured feathered edges in Bull Black rather than 5N) - and I couldn't face attempting that with an airbrush. It's a welcome change from measure 22, and the differences would make it worth displaying next to a 1945 Mo. For reference, you might consider Robert Sumralls short reference "USS Iowa", or his larger "Iowa class Battleships". Good Luck! James Morley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Shane Subject: Re: HMS Collingwood Hi gang, There were some queries about HMS Collingwood a couple of weeks ago & while I knew I had something on it, I couldn't remember where. If you check out the military history quarterly "After The Battle" No 97. You will find an excellant article on HMS Collingwood done in their "then & now" format. In fact I would recommend this magazine to all with an interest in WW2. It's very well written, with plenty of photos taken "then & now". It does cover naval topics from time to time, with one of the most recent being issue 95. This covers the firing of the Trondenes Battery at Harstead. This is where some of Gneisenau's guns were taken to. All in all a very good read. BTW, does anyone know if ATB is on the net? Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Louis Dausse Subject: Large Arizona Model Todd Henry is looking for a large U.S.S. Arizona model. How about a 1:200 scale card model. 36 inches long either as waterline of full hull. Only one of dozens of large scale warship models. Two notable things about the model. The cover is a beautiful painting of the Arizona steaming along shooting down Japanese planes. One would think the White House had painted it. And the other, in a more serious vein, is that a built-up model was presented to the U.S.S. Arizona Reunion Association for display. The model is to be found on page 47 of our catalog, which can be reached through our home page http://www.expresspages. com/p/papermodels Drop me an e-mail note and I'll transmit a couple of pictures of the built-up. Lou Dausse Paper Models International -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Classic Warships will sponsor the 1/700 Fletcher Contest Classic Warships will step forward and sponsor the contest this year of the 1/700 Fletchers, and the future contest, whatever the scale or the subject, at the IPMS(USA) National Convention. This will be a special category on top of the normal categories at the Convention. I would propose that we(the participants) come up with a name for this contest and the future contest, which I will sponsor each year. The event name should not denote a specific scale or type(plastic or resin),or ship type, but remain generic. Everyone, please send in your suggestions to my email (stevewiper@aol.com). Sorry, Mike Davis has already chosen "Arrrrr" and "The Scurvy Dogs". Please try to be serious. The contest will be of one ship type, in one scale (this year-1/700 Fletcher), so that it truly comes down to builder skill. There will be no entry fee, that's right FREE!. All entries must be entered into the IPMS(USA) Contest to be entered into this contest, to promote IPMS and their efforts. The judging will be done by myself and one other (this year-John Snyder).Judging will take place during contest hours. All entries will receive a bonus entry gift from Classic Warships. There will be plaques awarded to First, Second and Third, plus prizes to the above. All awards will be given out on Saturday morning. This year, I would like to limit the entries to participants who are present or entries brought by friends. The Hotels will no longer accept shipments, and the IPMS people are already overworked. Next year I will try to set up a way for people to send entries to me to be brought to the contest, for those who cant make it, but you really should, as the IPMS(USA) Nat. Convention is a really good contest and swap meet. The decision for next subject of the contest next year will be decided by this years participants. This will be by discussion, or vote, on Saturday morning. The subject choices should not be limited by scale or type (plastic-resin) or ship type. By doing it this way, the contestants will have one year to build their entry. I really look forward to this venture and hope to see as many participants as possible to make this contest a success, so that it may flourish with each contest. Thank you, Steve Wiper/Classic Warships stevewiper@aol.com (520)748-2992 Hi Steve, This is a real generous offer, which I'm sure, many in the USA will appreciate. My hat goes off to you sir for promoting ship modelling in this way. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: *** Urgent - Virus warning *** Guys, Just to let you know. There's a new Word macro virus out there; just got into the wild over the week-end. It has "Important Message from xxxxxx" as it's title (where xxxxx is the unknowing sender), and the body is along the lines of "Here is that document you asked for.....don't show anyone else ;-)" and an infected attachment. *** DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY! *** It will, once you are infected, send out 50 copies of itself to those people in your Global Address Book, or any other address book it can find. If you aren't certain on the legitimacy of what I'm saying, here's an URL to check against :- http://www.avertlabs.com/public/datafiles/valerts/vinfo/melissa.asp Good luck escaping it - we're already affected here. Fun & games for me & my team. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume