Subject: SMML12/04/99VOL513 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:36:14 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: US Dockyard Workers 2: Re: US Dockyard Workers 3: Re: US Dockyard Workers 4: Re: Non-skid pathways 5: Re: 1/700 naval battle ensign decals 6: Re: Spruance deck edge details 7: Re: US Dockyard Workers 8: Great Customer Service 9: Re: Deck Guns 10: Re: US Dockyard Workers 11: Re: Catapults 12: Re: US Dockyard Workers 13: USS Salem 14: Re: Non-skid walkways 15: Battleship program on Discovery 16: ships plans and tips 17: GMM e-mail replies 18: BWN Perry Class Frigate 19: Re: FW: Shore Duty 20: Nat'l Geographic Midway special 21: IPMS(USA) Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: USS Salem Model 2: Re: Corsair Armada kits -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: DaveRiley1@aol.com Subject: Re: US Dockyard Workers Caroline, You wrote: >> Does (or did) the U.S. use an equivalent term? << (to "Dockyard Mateys") I used to call them just "Shipyard Workers." If they weren't liked or if they did shoddy work, they were also called "Sand Crabs" (or worse) - and that was definitely pejorative. Dave Riley Portsmouth, RI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: US Dockyard Workers Caroline Carter wrote: >> Can any of you U.S. folk help us here? In the U.K. a (principally) dockyard worker is known as a dockyard matey.. hence, the "Dockyard Mateys" range of 1/700 diorama accessories. Does (or did) the U.S. use an equivalent term? Your imput much appreciated! << Here's my imput... "Yardbird" is how I've always heard them spoken of. Not always a 100% complimentary term, but the only one I've known. Rick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: US Dockyard Workers >> Can any of you U.S. folk help us here? In the U.K. a (principally) dockyard worker is known as a dockyard matey.. hence, the "Dockyard Mateys" range of 1/700 diorama accessories. Does (or did) the U.S. use an equivalent term? << Caroline, When I was stationed in the USN from 1970-1974, the term I always heard was "yardbirds". At least that term is the most acceptable for a public media, anyway. Sometimes we called them a lot worse, especially when they were aboard the ship. :-) Mike Settle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Non-skid pathways >> P.S. I still stand by my comment that no two ships are *exactly* alike...just look at the smaller details. << I agree with that wholeheartedly! Even sister ships are different, sometimes quite a bit. As an ancillary thought, right before I retired I was at a meeting and there were I think ten US Naval officers present, all in uniform, and no two dressed exactly alike !!!!! cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "graham peter walker" Subject: Re: 1/700 naval battle ensign decals Try Gold Medal Models they do a flag decal set -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Spruance deck edge details >> Into a 1:72 scale model of "Merrill" (or Kincaid) and need to know deck edge details i,e, are they rounded or basically right angled "butted plates". Also do they have have a toe rail i.e an upstand of a welded flat bar on edge in from the edge of the deck. << Had a look at some photos I took in the mid 80's of the USS Kincaid and USS Hewitt and both have a sharp edge at the deck/hull joint. They also have a toe rail along most of the railing inline with the stanchions. NavSource has some photos, but not too many close ups. Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: US Dockyard Workers Caroline: The only term I ever heard while in the USN was "yard birds"--and it usually carried a disparaging connotation. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Great Customer Service I just want to take a moment to commend all of the really good people out there who manufacture our models. As a relative newbie (8 months or so) to SMML, I've had the good fortune to order models from MB Models, Classic Warships, Iron Shipwright, and Accurate Images. They have all been very prompt and straightforward about answering questions, and sending replacement parts when necessary. John Warneke gave me a lot of information about the IS Rodney before I bought one, I received some replacement parts from MB Models a few days ago, and Steve Wiper of Classic Warships was good enough to phone with some tips on correcting some resin shrinkage issues. We sometimes forget that there are people behind the companies, and I just wanted to thank everyone who had helped me out. Robert Morgan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Deck Guns >> I will soon be publishing a complete photo tour of the USS Pampanito, a Balao class sub on display in San Francisco. I consider this the best photo tour that I've done thus far. Among the pictures are excellent shots of her 4"50 caliber deck gun. << Hi Rob Are you certain that Pampanito has a 4" 50 on her deck? The few pictures I have seem to be of a later war 5"/25 gun. These photos are some years old, so it's possible the gun was replaced with an earlier war 4" 50. If so, it seems inaccurate, as most Balaos had 5" guns, either 5"/50 or the later (and last deck gun model mounted on US Subs) 5"/25. Tom Dougheryt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: US Dockyard Workers Dear Caroline: In response to your request on the nickname for US shipyard workers it was just that shipyard worker or government employee. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Bob LaBouy Subject: Re: Catapults While I'm far from the most knowledgeable guy in the block, especially when it comes to ships. I would suggest that the Navy basically used only one type of catapult gear throughout the war. There appears to have been some cost cutting and material savings in the side structural design, but the guts of the cat systems and function appear to have stayed constant throughout the pre-, war and post war era. I suggest that the primary device is the P-6 catapult. If you are a bit adventuresome, you might want to look over my recent attempt to keep catapult operations alive among modelers. You can see some of the basics at my home site: http://www.members.home.net/ok3wirebob/ Hope this helps, Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: US Dockyard Workers Dear Mr. & Mrs. Carter, I do believe that the US dock workers were called, on a good day, "Longshoremen". Other humorous names come to mind, most not suitable for public display, but I might suggest "Scurvy Dogs", "Motley Crew, or just plain---"Arrrrr" Hope that I have been of some assistance, Steve Wiper/Plastic Horse Lips -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Cmaude0869@aol.com Subject: USS Salem I visited USS Salem today. Incredibly impressed with the restoration work and efforts of the volunteers. Especially impressed with Mr. Fahey the archivist. He took considerable time to show us the exhibits and help us on our way for some research we are interested in. Anyone interested in ship museums or in the Quincy Mass area should plan a stop!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Jowfx@webtv.net (John Fox) Subject: Re: Non-skid walkways Just to add my two cents worth, when I was on the Thorn (DD-988) back in 1984, she also had walkways outlined in white on her upperdecks. Also, where the pathway passed under the crossbraces of the mainmast, that section of the crossbrace was painted black, since you had to step over the brace. I have some photos if anyone is interested. John Fox -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Battleship program on Discovery I'm surprised that no one has commented on the program on battleships that ran on Discovery late last week. Am I the only one who saw it?? Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: JERRYC988@aol.com Subject: ships plans and tips Hello All; I need some information and I hope someone can help me. First I need a good source of where I can obtain ships plans and drawings for 1/350 scale. Second, I would like to know if there are any books out there that gives extra tips etc for model ship building. Many thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Loren Perry Subject: GMM e-mail replies After a failed attempt at responding to an SMML member from England, I thought I should post this message saying that I always respond to e-mails; I never ignore them (unless they are truly beyond decency). So if you e-mailed me here at Gold Medal Models and failed to get an answer, it's because something technical (an incorrect e-mail return address, etc.) prevented me from doing so. This has happened several times, and may again, so please keep this in mind. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Chris.Evenden@agso.gov.au Subject: BWN Perry Class Frigate Fellow SMMLers Can anyone tell me anything about the Blue Water Navy Perry Class Frigate? Thanks, Chris Evenden -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: aaron.bishop@anstec.com Subject: Re: FW: Shore Duty Thought you guys might like this one..... An old Navy Chief and an old Marine Gunny Sergent were sitting at the American Legion hall arguing about who'd had the tougher career. "I did 30 years in the Corps," the Gunny declared proudly, "and fought in three of my country's wars. Fresh out of boot camp I hit the beach at Okinawa, clawed my way up the blood-soaked sand, and eventually took out an entire enemy machine gun nest with a single grenade. "As a sergeant, I fought in Korea alongside General MacArthur. We pushed back the enemy inch by bloody inch all the way up to the Chinese border, always under a barrage of artillery and small arms fire. "Finally, as a Gunny Sergeant, I did three consecutive combat tours in Vietnam. We humped through the mud and razorgrass for 14 hours a day, Plagued by rain and mosquitoes, ducking under sniper fire all day and mortar fire all night. In a firefight, we'd fire until our arms ached and our guns were empty, then we'd charge the enemy with bayonets!" "Ah," said the Chief with a dismissive wave of his hand, "all shore duty, huh?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "FERNANDO, YOHAN" Subject: Nat'l Geographic Midway special Anyone interested should pick up the latest issue of National Geographic. The cover should tell all. If you havn't heard already, the issue includes an article about Ballard's discovery of the Yorktown as well as an overview of the Battle of Midway itself. While nothing new in terms of historical info, the first-hand recollections are moving and the photos throughout are beautifully done. Also, for those in the US, the two-hour television special is airing on TBS this Wednesday at 8 pm and again at 11 pm. Get your VCRs ready! How soon until the book comes out?? (I'm sure there has to be one!) Yohan Fernando (eagerly awaiting the WEM Warspite in the mail...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Shane Subject: IPMS(USA) Journal G'day SMMLies APMA recieved the latest exchange IPMS(USA) Journal Jan/Feb 1999 the other day & I'd thought I'd comment on the ship content, after reading it last night. I enjoyed Rusty's "Ship & Tips" coloumn, especially the Basic P/E article. Thanks also to Joe Turpen for giving SMML a nice review. Rusty's reviews on the WEM stuff were also well done. Also an interesting article on Ships in bottles. Also, a fellow SMMLie Tim Reynaga has done an excellant article on the Skywave 1/700 IJN Minekaze as she appeared in the 1920's. This model also won Tim 3rd place at last years IPMS(USA) Nats. All in all an excellant "on topic" issue ;-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: USS Salem Model Hi all, I couldn't hold off any longer. The first pictures of a completed 1/350 scale USS Salem from classic warships are on the US Naval & Shipbuilding Museum website. This is one very detailed model and the pictures really are hard pressed to do it justice. If you would, please take a moment to look at them and let us know your thoughts. Many thanks, John Frohock USNSM Quincy, MA - Where Spring has arrived and the weatherman is talking snow tonite. Ah, New England. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: rms Subject: Re: Corsair Armada kits Thank you, Mike. Yes, Rocky Mountain Shipyard retails Corsair Armada kits. Our web site address is: http://www.wic.net/~rms/ Most sincerely, Lisa Norman / Rocky Mountain Shipyard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume