Subject: SMML21/04/99VOL522 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:00:02 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Horatio Hornblower 2: Doing the Right Thing 3: LAMPS II 4: Re: Perry model 5: Re: QE2 question 6: Joe's Interest Survey 7: Italian cruiser DUCA D'AOSTA in Soviet service, 1949-?? 8: Normandie 9: HP Models 10: Re: Perry model 11: Queen Elizabeth X 2 12: Re: Shane's review, Normandie, USS JFK, 1/400 boat cranes, and a question 13: QE2 14: Re: future sub models 15: Re: Hornblower 16: Arthur W. Radford 17: Re: Cimmeron Correction 18: USS Iowa Explosion 19: Re: Bureau of Small Warships 20: Re: USS John F Kennedy 21: Re: Hornblower... 22: Re: 1/350 Prince of Wales 23: QE2 & RN China Station Colours 24: Re: Dockyard Mateys 25: Re: LAMPS II 26: DC area hobby shops 27: Re: Blatent Trolls -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Wanted: Jim Shirley Gearing kit 2: Re: Prince of Wales UP Launchers 3: Book Wanted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Hiya SMMLies, I just recieved the following email from Jeff Hearne: >> Now on to business. I stepped back from A.I.M. to spend more time with the family, and still it's not enough. So, I (we) are looking for an aggressive volunteer to take over the SMML website. There hasn't been alot of activity with the site, but I have noticed some redundant postings lately...ie., paravanes. These would be best compiled and post in a FAQ on the website. Any takers?? << Well the taker is your's truly & as soon as I've finished setting up APMA's webpage(my initial piority), I'll be starting on getting the backissues up to date. Hopefully, within the next week or so. I will also be looking for some pictures for the picpost page as well. Now, in regards to the FAQ, I would like a volounteer or two, to take over putting it together after I've updated the backissue page. Once we have a volounteer, we'll then work out what questions need to be in it, like Y****o, k**ts & Fl****ers etc. Any queries, please don't hesitate to ask. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Horatio Hornblower Hi guys, I must admit that I don't usually watch made for TV movies, but this Horatio Hornblower series on A&E is a must see...lots of ships, gunfire and action, and not a alot of needless banter. I've watched all three episodes thus far, and it is very well done. Jeff Herne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Doing the Right Thing Howdy y'all Just a quick note re: Shaya Novak at Naval Base Hobbies. He did the right thing by me. I ordered a Tamiya 1/350 Missouri (at his 20% off price) several days prior to reading his new ad for a special deal on this BB. Darn! This morning I received an e-mail from Shaya telling me of a credit to my account to give me the advantage of the special SMML price. And I had already received the model. That's the way SMMLies or SMMLers should treat each other. WELL DONE SHAYA! I have no interest other than a satisfied customer. Hi all, I couldn't agree more. Well done Shaya, my hats off to you. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Baker Subject: LAMPS II For Shane: LAMPS II was a variant of the Kamen YSH-2E SeaSprite with an LN-66 appended to the front of the fuselage. Only one or two prototypes were produced. Had it gone into production, LAMPS-II would have been the SH-2E. Putnam's UNITED STATES NAVY AIRCRAFT SINCE 1911 states that two were built (probably converted from earlier H-2 airframes) in 1972. Fujimi made a nice 1/72 kit of it, which I have in my collection. LAMPS II attempted too much on the small SeaSprite airframe, which is why it was "beaten" by the SH-60B LAMPS III. Dave Baker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Sheridan, John" Subject: Re: Perry model >> The "Short-hull" OHPs were and are capable of operating the LAMPS I SH-2 helo, whilst the "Long-hull" OHPs are capable of operating the much larger LAMPS III SH-60 helo. Does anybody remember what the cancelled LAMPS II was? << Righty O me beuaties, har! har! har! (Sorry, too much Horatio Hornblower on A&E) Now for the 10,000 dollar question: *Which* OHPs are short hulls and *which* ones are the long hulls ?!?!? And yes, I do own a copy of the BWN kit. John Sheridan @ Microscale Decals http://www.microscale.com If I'm talking Decals, then I'm talking for Microscale, Otherwise I am speaking for myself. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: QE2 question >> One incorrect answer - any other guesses as to who the QE2 was named after? << I think QE2 was the second Cunard liner named after the Elizabeth that married King George VI and who became Queen because of that. She is the present Queen Mother. Pieter Cornelissen Delft, The Netherlands, Which has not had a king in living memory. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Ron Hillsden" Subject: Joe's Interest Survey I am interested in the Oberon. Their appeal may be a little wider than Canada as they were used by England, Australia, Brazil and Chile. I am not a sub expert, but it looks like the only external difference over their lifespans is the sonar dome? Ron Hillsden, Victoria B C Canada where spring has finally sprung! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Gordon Hogg Subject: Italian cruiser DUCA D'AOSTA in Soviet service, 1949-?? This is kind of a long shot, but I would appreciate any leads or commentary on the DUCA D'AOSTA after her 1949 ceding to the Soviet Navy. I have a ship's pin which indicates Black Sea Fleet service 1949-1974, but sources such as the 1964 Breyer, Jane's during the mid-1960s, and others suggest that she was scrapped in 1961. Weyers Flottentaschenbuch 1962 places her in the Romanian Navy (she disappears the next year), a possible lease or loan also mentioned in Jane's of the period. Who knows? I would be glad to know of articles or book details (in any language) which give more of the story of the DUCA D'AOSTA after she became known as Z15, then STALINGRAD, then KERCH (sometimes spelled KERTCH). The period of her supposed transfer to Romania was in the Dark Ages of publicly available naval intelligence, so I'm hoping that more might come to light in the post-Cold War years. As always, many thanks! Gordon Hogg Lexington, Kentucky USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: Normandie There is an excellent book about the "Normandie" (to me the most beautiful passenger ship ever built ) entlited "Normandie-Her life and Times",Harvey Ardman,Franklin Watts 1985/New York/Toronto,ISBN 0-531-09784-6,wich I highly recommended to her fans. It's out of print,but I was able to find it through Amazon Com.,early last year. N.Rubim Portugal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: HP Models A non-SMMLie friend has asked me about the HP kits of the De Ruyter and Tromp ships. I have no experience of them but do any SMMLies, and if so, could you offer your comments? Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: John Burch Subject: Re: Perry model >> I'm operating from memory 4 or 5 years back but as I recall, you could also build the MB Perry class model as an earlier (shorter) version or the longer version using an extension provided with the kit. The extenuation was added to accommodate the larger helicopters of the day for antisubmarine warfare. (LAMPS: Shane) << >> Got Shane on something! (hee, hee!) Both helos involved were LAMPS (Light Airborne Multi Purpose System) The "Short-hull" OHPs were and are capable of operating the LAMPS I SH-2 helo, whilst the "Long-hull" OHPs are capable of operating the much larger LAMPS III SH-60 helo. Does anybody remember what the cancelled LAMPS II was? << I just couldn't resist getting in my two cents worth on the issue of "short-hull" and "long-hull" FFGs, as I was in the room when the design decision was made (there were only four of us involved). The issue was not really about the size of the SH-60 (LAMPS MK III helo) vs. the SH-2 (LAMPS MK I helo); it was about the SH-60's "straight-in" landing approach vs. the SH-2's "angled" approach (which is also reflected in the different white painted deck markings). The immediate problem was the towing capstan at the stern, which presented a landing hazard to the SH-60. My boss (a USN "three ringer") made the decision to add what we referred to as the "tilted transom" so the capstan could be lowered out of the landing path of the SH-60. This occurred in '79 at the offices of Gibbs & Cox (FFG Design Agent) as we were working on design changes to McINERNEY (FFG 8), which was the LAMP MK III test ship. We (NAVSEA) were trying to prototype the ship design changes for production LAMPS MK III, while meeting the NAVAIR SH-60 requirements for (temporary) installation and test. The RAST tracks and BEARTRAP dollies and RAST flight deck control bubble, added as part of the LAMPS MK III design package, actually had much more impact on ship design than the tilted transom. (LAMPS MK III also adds a SRQ-4 Data Link radome on the 96 foot platform on the mainmast.) From FFG 36 on, all USN FFGs had the LAMPS MK III design incorporated (either as built, or modified at PSA). FFG 55 and beyond, and a few earlier ships, including McINERNEY, had the entire FY79 Combat System package retrofitted, which included: LAMPS MK III, LINK 11 and SQR-19 (TACTAS). "Long-hulled" FFGs could launch, land and hangar SH-2 helos as well as other helos, if formally certified to do so. "Short-hulled" FFGs could not operate the SH-60 because the capstan prevented helo certification of those ships. Incidentally, at one time we once experienced a rash of helo certification requests for non-ASW helos to land and launch from FFG 23, which was very puzzling. It turned out that the Marine brass were celebrating the birthday of "Chesty" Puller in the wardroom of his namesake (LEWIS B. PULLER-FFG 23) and needed certification because they were going to arrive and depart by Marine helo! I read an article in the Proceedings of the USNI some years ago on the LAMPS Program that mentioned LAMPS MK II. I seem to remember that LAMPS MK II was a "paper" program that used the SH-3 airframe. It was dropped because the notional system did not provide the increase in acoustic, radar and EW processing that LAMPS MK III offered. A SH-3, flying off a replenishment ship, was actually used for the Advanced Development tests of LAMPS MK III electronics, before the SH-60 airframe was ready. The RAN and ROCN (Taiwan) FFGs/PFGs do not have LAMPS MK III. These ships do have the tilted transom and the RAST package, but use the S-70 helo (Sikorsky commercial equivalent of SH-60) with domestically produced Data Links, and have less processing capability than LAMPS MK III. I use to kid my Aussie "mates" in NAVAIR and NAVSEA that the RAN system was really LAMPs MK I and a 1/2. Spanish FFGs, on-the-other-hand, do have the full LAMPS MK III fit. Cheers, John Burch Gaithersburg, MD USA burchj@erols.com P.S. For anyone interested in models of FFGs (full hull and otherwise), I can provide info on a range of obscure details, including: steel and rubber sonar dome differences, plus the unique FFG 25 "streamlined" sonar dome; underwater "eyebrow" intakes; MASKER belts and TACTAS and NIXIE fairleads. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Les Dorr Jr." Subject: Queen Elizabeth X 2 Although I don't do WWII subjects myself, the recent question on the Queen Elizabeth reminded me of an anecdote I heard long ago. It would make a great diorama. The way the story goes, Queen Elizabeth the BB and Queen Elizabeth the liner steamed past each other in mid-ocean. The captain of one ship (forget which) radioed a one-word message to the captain of the other vessel: "SNAP" (as in fingers) Les "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: jpoutre@lehman.com (Joseph Poutre) Subject: Re: Shane's review, Normandie, USS JFK, 1/400 boat cranes, and a question Ranging widely over the last few issues: Shane's review: A good review of the Krivak - I'm going to pick one up as escorts for my Gorshkov (Aoshima Kiev, Testors Varyag, Skywave modern Russian set and a lot of extra plastic and putty). It's always helpful to know what I'm getting into ahead of time. However, I have found I like the somewhat random repainting and renumbering of USSR ships - you can paint near enough and the Perfectionist Paint Police Squad can't tell you you're wrong. :-) Thanks Joe. At this point I really should thank all the SMMLies who helped me out, especially Falk(colours) & the Carters(for info on the GMM set) Shane Normandie: A model of the Normandie would be snapped up as quickly as I could get to the store, in either 1/350 or 1/600, though I'd prefer the latter for the sake of space. I'd probably take two: one for Normandie and one for USS Lafayette. USS JFK model: There is none. It is a strange omission in Italeri's lineup of US CV & CVN's. 1/42x straight boat cranes: The Gold Medal Models 1/400 set has cranes and other parts for the Pine Island. I haven't used them, though, as I mucked up the model ( my hangar was trapezoidal, and those rails... ). Finally, a followup inquiry: Thank you for the help on the 1930's IJN. What I could use now is the name of good reference books for that time period, or for the IJN in toto. My library is small but growing, as I buy for each model I obtain, so it's rather scattershot. Joe Poutre Joseph Poutre, aka The Mad Mathematician N2KOW Co-Webmaster, Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society http://www.bb62museum.org/ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ken Goldman <187clue@my-dejanews.com> Subject: QE2 QE2 was named after her maritime predecessor the liner Queen Elizabeth, thus the "2," and both were named after Henry VIII's daughter, Queen Elizabeth, who became the "first" only after there was a second queen of England with that name. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Louis Costanzo Subject: Re: future sub models These subs would be good, but many of them have already been done by other companies. Since you're pondering new models, here are some that I have yet to see released (or released as a good model) that I would love to see done BTW, if someone does make a good model of any of these boats (resin or injection molded) please let me know! Trafelgar Vanguard Charlie Oscar/OscarII Delta III/IV Yankee For what it matters, I think 1:350 scale is best, since they are not expensive anyway, and not waterline models, that's silly with a sub unless you're doing a diorama. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Ken Goldman <187clue@my-dejanews.com> Subject: Re: Hornblower Both SMMLers who responded in the last issue are partly right. The actor's name is Ioan Gruffudd. Two Ds at the end, which are pronounced as a TH. It's spelled this way because he is a native of Cymru. (That's Wales and is pronounced Kim-ree.) Wales, by the way, is a wonderful place. And for those of you who enjoyed watching THE PRISONER TV series, the Village actually exists in Portmeirion. We stayed there! The place predates the series, but Number 6's rooms are now The Prisoner gift shop. P.S. to Shane: What's your favorite single malt. I lean toward Lagavulin. We plan to do some sampling of several different ones at the distilleries in June. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ Hi Ken, As I mentioned before, I don't mind a wee dram of Glenfiddich . Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SWO77@aol.com Subject: Arthur W. Radford This may be old news to everyone here, but I just saw a listing in a DML catalog for the upcoming release of the USS Arthur W. Radford in 1/700. That may not be interesting in itself, but the kit is kisted as including parts for the AEM/S enclosed mast (that huge stealth structure) and the picture in the catalog clearly shows this. Has anyone else heard about this kit release? Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Cimmeron Correction I'll have to work on reading all the words before replying. The Cimmeron kit I mentioned yesterday was a modern version. Sorry. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Leonard, Michael W" Subject: USS Iowa Explosion This week marks the 10th anniversary of the explosion in Turret #2 on the battleship Iowa, and two new books on the subject are being published. 'Explosion Aboard The Iowa' by Richard L. Schwoebel is being released by the US Naval Institute Press. 'A Glimpse of Hell: The Explosion Aboard The Iowa And Its Cover-Up' by Charles C. Thompson II, has just been publsihed by Norton. A review of the latter title appeared in the Washington Post a few days ago. (See www.washingtonpost.com) Mike L Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Bureau of Small Warships I have people ask me frequently about good resin models to begin multi media kit modeling. I have heard of BoSW but since I normally don't do destroyers (that's all they sell. Talk about a niche!). I've never personally been able to review one. Can someone give me an overall description as to quality of these kits? Casting quality, general fit, accuracy etc. Do they include photo etch? I would believe at $26.00 (real reasonable for a resin kit) that they don't, but I would like to know. I certainly don't want to point a novice multi media modeler to a difficult kit. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Ships and Tips http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Denis & Marilyn Campbell Subject: Re: USS John F Kennedy Lt. Keith Grimm is looking for a 1/700 or larger model kit of the JFK. Don't think you will have much luck but pick up Monogram's kit of the Kitty Hawk. There are two things with Monogram's presentation of this kit: first, it is not the Kitty Hawk, it is actually the JFK - complete with the slanted smokestack and the cut off angled deck; second, the box says the scale is 1/600 but it actually scales out to about 1/785 which is as close as anything to 1/800. I picked one up last year at a regular hobby shop for only $10.00 or so. It needs some work - especially if you intend to model it as she appears now. Try and find a copy of the (now out of print) book "The USS John F. Kennedy in detail and scale" by Bert Kinsey - there is an article at the back outlining some of the changes that need to be made. The overall length is about 15 inches - which is a good size as long as it is not for a museum. The other difficulty will be finding modern aircraft for it in 1/800 scale ( it comes with F4's and A4's). You might be able to use 1/700 aircraft and photoetch although they are slightly oversize. Skywave and WEM put out 1/700 aircraft and GMM makes a photoetch set for the 1/700 Supercarriers which should work well. I have yet to start building mine - other commitments and a longish illness sort of put it on the back burner. Denis Campbell Avon Mass. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Chris Hughes" Subject: Re: Hornblower... The correct - Welsh - spelling is Ioan Gruffudd (Yo-an Griffith, with the "th" as in "That"). In Welsh, one "f" is pronounced as "v", two "ff"'s as "f" and "dd" is the soft "th", as above. Thank Heaven he wasn't christened Llywelyn Ychafi o Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogeryrchwyrndrobwlllantyseilioogofgoch! Imagine the movie credits! Hwyl fawr a twll dyn pob Sais! ;0) Chris Hughes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Allan Plumb Subject: Re: 1/350 Prince of Wales >> I am having a model builders dilemma. I have a Tamiya 1/350th scale Prince of Wales kit. I want to configure the kit as the ship was during its battle with the Bismarck. I must find a way to make or purchase two UP (Unrotatable Rocket Projectile Launchers) for B and Y turrets on the kit. << Yup. White Ensign Models has a set of 5 for 2.95 pounds. Just checked their web site at: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/main.htm My 1/350 PoW is done up as of her sinking. The modifications to backdate her are not too extensive, and the paint job would certainly be simpler. Enjoy. Allan Plumb (plumb@phoenix.net) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Malcolm Batchelor" Subject: QE2 & RN China Station Colours Firstly, on the QE2 my wild guess would be because its the second ship named after Queen Elizabeth (the first one, not the current Queen Mum or the current Queen). But as I said its a guess. Secondly, I've got the Waveline 1/700 scale HMS Dorsetshire, and just to get some different colour in my fleet, I want to paint her in pre-war China Station Colours. As best as I can tell these should be white hull and superstructure with white metal decks or bleached wood decks with "buff" funnels and masts. Any corrections on my colours, and any suggestions for the "buff"? Mostly I work with Testors Model Masters, but I do have access to Humbrol (mail order) if needed. Thanks Stuart Batchelor Norman, Oklahoma (where spring is here and the weather can, and will, change at any time) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re: Dockyard Mateys Hi Craig >> Just out of curiosity for Caroline what is the relationship between dock mates and the Royal Navy in the UK? We showed you our closet of skeletons. << It generally seems to depend on the circumstances prevalent at the time the census is taken. When they cut away the door of your Flower Class corvette allowing access to the wardroom for a piano, and then make good the door afterwards, they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. When they go on strike just before your ship sails neccessitating all outstanding engineering faults and potato loading duties be undertaken by the crew, they are the next step down on the evolutionary scale from the garden slug. Best Regards, Caroline Carter http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Paul O'Reilly" Subject: Re: LAMPS II I believe the LAMPS II was a modified LAMPS I with a large radar added to the nose. The aircraft was to be some sort of surface surveillance platform, possibly for over-the-horizon targeting. I understand there were only one or two prototypes built and the project never went beyond the proof of concept stage. I also believe Fujimi or Hasegawa made a model of the aircraft, although I have not seen a model for some time now. Paul O'Reilly Victoria, BC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: steven lau Subject: DC area hobby shops Hello everyone. Next week I will be in the Washington DC area with a few extra days of free time and wondered about good hobby stores. Something close to the Metro would be best. By the way John Glenn will be speaking at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum Tuesday night about his NASA experiences for anyone interested. Tickets still available through the museum. Not exactly a naval topic but a piece of history none the less. Thanks, Steven Lau -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Martin Short" Subject: Re: Blatent Trolls Shane, I thought Blatent Trolls were those of the species that had no regard for Billy Goats or Sunlight. Seriously though, you ask for comments on your review. Good review..... interesting, to the point, with plenty of piccy's, what more can I say, except do more. As a retired IPMS Newsletter editor, getting anyone to contibute an article was only marginally easier than getting blood out of a stone, so I applaude anyone who makes the effort to inform the rest of us, especially when it is outside their (your) normal field of interest. BTW, my other 'arf is of the humble opinion that having the instructions on the back of the box is a good thing, because you then have to take the kit OUT of the box to to compare the bits to the instructions, something that most IPMS modellers find difficult!! TTFN Martin Hi Martin, Thanks for your comments, much appreciated. As for trolls, well lets just say it got peoples attention ;-). As many here know, Lorna & myself have taken over the production of APMA's magazine. Lorna has a simple solution to the problem of no-one contributing articles, she stood up in front of the club & told this bunch of modellers, "that if they didn't submit an article this year, they'd lose a body part". So I didn't so much as write the article for IM, rather it was a case of getting an article together, so that I was safe from being made an example of. As a consequence, we have people giving us articles at every meeting now. Only the rest of the committe is a bit slack at the moment & they'll be first of the rank, if they don't put an article in. But she's got her little list & who knows, we may be able to sell tickets at the AGM. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: Wanted: Jim Shirley Gearing kit WANT TO BUY: I served aboard a FRAM-II Gearing class destroyer USS Higbee (DD-806) for four years during Vietnam to Dec. 71. I would like to build a model of her and want to buy a Jim Shirley FRAM Gearing kit from a fellow SSMLie out there who may have a kit in the closet-- otherwise, I'll be butchering some Albatross Gearing and Sumner kits, to get the extra 19 foot amidships, and scratch-building DASH hangars, ASROC launchers, and all the rest. I'd consider swapping an Albatross Gearing and Sumner (in box) plus cash, or something, but anyone with a JS FRAM Gearing kit willing to part with it please email me with your selling price at: mailto:tdetweil@imaginemfg.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re: Prince of Wales UP Launchers Re Unrotated Projectiles, we do em! When we were mastering, the 1/350 Hood, we asked John Lambert to draw us a set of plans for this weapon..and bless his little cotton socks, he did them in some order... he now sells this as part of his excellent range of ordnance and warship plans (intentional plug..) However, we sell these separately in both 1/700 and 1/350 scales.. these beautifully detailed models are available, 5 in a bag for 2.95 pounds in 1/350 scale. Available from us post free worldwide... Best Regards, Caroline Carter http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models, Gardeners Cottage, Cowarne Court, Lower Eggleton, Ledbury, Herefordshire, HR8 2UF, U.K. Tel: 01432 820403 Fax: 01432 820830 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: Book Wanted Folks: Would anyone have an extra copy of "Miniature Merchant Ships: A Guide to Waterline Ship Modeling in 1/1200 Scale" by John Bowen (Conway Press, 1997) that they are willing to sell at a markdown, or would they know a book vender that has this book on sale for less than its $39.95 retail price (which is a little too rich for my wallet)? Any assistance would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks! Yours truly, Michael Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume