Subject: SMML24/04/99VOL525 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:11:09 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: CV(A)N 65 References 2: State ships 3: Anybody Have any experience or comment on Hobby Bunker 4: Re: SMML across America 5: Re: SMML across America 6: Re: Invincible phalanx gun 7: Re: USS Enterprise book 8: Re: Repulse 9: Re: SMML across America 10: Re: Various 11: Re: Revell Mystery tanker 12: Tee Hee!! 13: Re: Tiny Drills 14: USS Carrituck, Norton Sound photos? 15: HMS Invincible 1982 16: Normandie on T.V. Update 17: Re: ANZAC Biscuits and weather... 18: Re: HMS Invincible query 19: Aussie visit 20: Where to buy small quantities of resin 21: Re: What is USFS? 22: SHIP SHOP SHIPPED OUT 23: Re: 1:700 submarines 24: USS Pine Island 25: Bismarck Yellow Tops 26: Texas Stops on the SMML tour across the USA 27: Re: Devonshire 28: Re: Small Drill Bits 29: Re: SMML Across America 30: Re: SMML Across America 31: Re: IJN References -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: APMA Website 2: NSW Challenge shield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Morley, James (London)" Subject: Re: CV(A)N 65 References Several people have (kindly) suggested the USS Enterprise website. Unfortunately this accepts US$ Cheques and money orders only. My advice to the US resisdents out there is to buy up all their copies and ship them to Europe - where they can expect to make a fortune!!! Thankfully Falk Pletscher in Germany has kindly agreed to let me have one of his copies. The hunt for "Airwing Enterprise" goes on..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" Subject: State ships >> "Of particular interest would be large scale models in capitol buildings and other non-maritime settings. But please don't limit yourself to this area, as I will be covering the east coast and midwest on the way back. << Kurt, I'm not sure if it's still there, but there used to be a very large model of the Iowa in the state capitol in Des Moines. If you see it, let me know. Good luck, and have fun! Hi ho from Colorado Springs where it's in the 30's and snowing! Michael Satin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Harloe" Subject: Anybody Have any experience or comment on Hobby Bunker I am told Hobby Bunker makes a mortar boat and other things. Can anybody tell me about their reputation and the quality of their products. Thanks in advance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: MDeskin@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML across America >> I am well on my way across America on my latest photo expedition. Today, I left El Paso, and hope to reach Fredericksburg, TX, home of the Admiral Nimitz Museum. If my fellow SMML'ers can help out, I am looking for additional places to visit along the way, as I am covering ground pretty quickly. So, if you could post your favorite little known museums, used bookstores, model boat shops, whatever might interest a warship and ocean liner enthusiast, I'd sure appreciate it. Of particular interest would be large scale models in capitol buildings and other non-maritime settings. A comprehenive list might be useful to our archives for future use by visitors to various parts of the country. << Don't forget to look in some of the Airports!!! I know there are model ships in the Phoenix, and Indianapolis airports!! Mikey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Les Case" Subject: Re: SMML across America Welcome to Texas, Kurt. There's a large model of the USN battleship Texas in the Sam Houston state office building in Austin. Take US 290 (Main Street in Fredricksburg) east through Johnson City into Austin. The Sam Houston building is in the Capital Complex, just northeast of the Capitol. Visitor parking is in a lot at Third Street and Guadalupe-- a moderate hike, but there is a frequent shuttle bus. Incidently, the Texas Legislature is in session, so you can go to the second floor visitor gallery and watch part of Texas Government at work. Also in Austin: the Villiage Hobby Shop has the largest selection of static ship kits, wood, plastic and resin in town. 2700 West Anderson Lane, 452-6401. It's 4-- 5 miles north of downtown between Burnet Road and Loop 1; turn in at the Villiage Theater sign and go almost all the way to the back (you can't see Villiage Hobby from the street). Have fun. Les Case... in Austin where it's overcast, warm and humid. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Invincible phalanx gun >> Just finishing up the Invincible, and I'm wondering if she had her Phalanx mounts installed before she set out for the Falklands, can anyone enlighten me? << The Phalanx CIWS didn't exist before the Falkland Island war. As a matter of fact, it was because of damage done by sea skimming missiles to British vessels during that war that promoted the US Navy to develop the CIWS to counter cruise missiles and low flying aircraft as a last line of defense for surface vessels. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Ships and Tips http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Enterprise book I'm sure this has occurred to the original poster but check out regional and local contests in the vendors rooms. While at the Region 6 convention last weekend I saw 2 Enterprise books for about $10.00 ea. The point is since the book hasn't been out of print that long it can still be found at swap meet and vendor room for reasonable prices. If I can't get to contest, I ask a friend who is going to keep an eye out for what I want. Also, check out all the used book stores where you live. They buy big collections of books that may contain what you're looking for. About three years ago I found two of the first (no volume number) test issues of the first Fine Scale Modeler at a swap meet for .50 each!! I have had offers of up to $100.00 for each. Used book stores get new stuff in almost every day so be persistent. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Ships and Tips http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Re: Repulse Its true that the drawings don't show the ventilator stacks but photos do. British Battleships of World War 2 has several very clear photos showing them. They were fitted C.1936 and stayed with the ship until she was sunk. As for the 20mm they were 2 of eight fitted mid 1941, there should be others shown on your drawings (once again see British Battleships for drawings - which bizarrely don't show the ventilators). Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Bruce Burden" Subject: Re: SMML across America Hi Kurt, Once you leave Fredericksburg, why not stop at Village Hobby in Austin. Simply take 290 East to Austin, and when you are done, 290E to 610 around Houston will get you to the San Jacinto Memorial and the Battleship Texas. Village Hobby has a nice collection of ship kits, much more so than the other (still good) hobby store in town, King's Hobby. Village Hobby is East of Mopac/Loop 1 on Anderson, in the Village Shopping Plaza. Camp Mabry in Austin has a USS Houston memorial, but no model of the Houston itself. Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Various Hi I have a few things here for the following for the last issue. First none of any the British fleet had phalanx guns in the Falkland Islands. They received them at after their return to the UK. Too bad for Sheffield, Coventry, Antelope, and Active. They used Sea dart, Sea wolf Missiles and whatever guns mounted to the ships involved. The French tanker model was in Model Ship Builder issues 115-117 and possible in further issues. It was a diorama with the Heller BB RICHELIEU by Robert Dick. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Loren Perry Subject: Re: Revell Mystery tanker The Revell S.S. British Sovereign BP tanker kit bears all the hallmarks of a Revell tool and none of a Heller product. Even the kit's display stands are virtually identical to those of Revell's USN Hospital Ship Haven, a contemporary. In fact, both Haven and British Sovereign kits look like they were tooled up by the same team - all the construction techniques, engraved detailing, and sprue layouts are very similar. Revell and other firms have traded, leased, and/or sold molds over the years, so Heller may very well have offered the BP tanker under its own label. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: CHRIS DRAGE Subject: Tee Hee!! For all the poor suffering Aussies, >> Shane - where it's bloody cold now & don't laugh Chris. Shane - Made With Apple Power PC << Tee Hee...Sorry....not laughing really mate....tee hee....ho, ho Ho HO HO HO HO!!!! 8-> Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo.... (Te reo Maori) Chris, Only one word - BASTARD ;-þ . Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Bruce Burden" Subject: Re: Tiny Drills Small Parts (www.smallparts.com) has drill bits down to #97 (0.0059"/0.1499mm). In Metric drills, they go down to 0.20mm, or 0.0079". Starting from the #97 size, they go up in size in 0.0004" increments until you reach #88, which is 0.0095" diameter. Then it increases by 0.0005" (mostly!) until you get to #80 at 0.0135", which is commonly available. Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Bruce Burden" Subject: USS Carrituck, Norton Sound photos? Hi Guys, I am looking for a photo of either USS Carrituck (AV-7) or USS Norton Sound (AV-11) in the WWII era "dazzle" camo for the starboard side. I have found two different photos of the port side, but I am sure the patterns aren't symmetrical. The USS Pine Island is in the Measure 32(?) scheme, or mostly grey. Boring! :-) I would rather do the Norton Sound or Carrituck in the dazzle pattern. Thanks, Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: HMS Invincible 1982 The CIWS mounts were not installed on Invincible until after her return from the South Atlantic. However, as I recall, Illustrious did have them before sailing south, although she did not arrive until after the war was over. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Ophelia Subject: Normandie on T.V. Update Greetings; I have found out definitly that on Monday Apr.26/99 History T.V. (in Canada) will present Ships of Destiny: The Queen Marie and Normandie @ 9:p.m. I have now reset my vcr from wednesday and am waiting. Reguards again; Mark A. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Chris Hughes" Subject: Re: ANZAC Biscuits and weather... Hi Shane and Lorna, Hooray!! ANZAC biscuits after an absence of some 10 years!! Thanks for posting the recipe, I'll try and get some made up before I go to Duxford on Sunday. I'm a "volunteer" worker at the Land Warfare Hall for my sins and get to play with all sorts of heavy metal... the rest of the lads would probably enjoy some biccies! Well, the weather's bloody cold here too - typical British springtime! We had snow flurries last week! I liked the article on the Krivak, I've got some good photography at work and the bloody things are all different! Some of the later Krivak I's have the twin gun turrets, but the smaller sonar array housing at the stern, so you can mix and match between the two types. If you're really masochistic, you could try a III. They were/are used by KGB/successors for coastal patrols and have a helicopter hangar on the stern instead of the sonar house and X/Y turrets. Helo is usually a HORMONE. Joke: What's the differnce between an enzyme and a hormone? You can't hear an enzyme... Regards, Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Peter Hall" Subject: Re: HMS Invincible query Hi Ian, With regard to HMS Invicible having Phalanx mountings fitted prior to and during the Falklands conflict, I can safely say that she did not have them at that stage, but were fitted after her her return. However, HMS Illustriuos, Invincibles twin sister did have the Phalanx system fitted prior to her departure for the Falklands. Good luck with your project Peter Hall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Raynor Johnston" Subject: Aussie visit Hey fellas that was a pretty reasonable game of rugby league last night and I won't quibble about the result or hold it against you when I visit your fair shores later in May. I am heading for Tassie and Melbourne and wondered if any good model shops still in the city. Used to be one under Wynyard Station when i was about that way last. Also if any Task Force 72 lads are viewing this I wouldn't mind contacting one or two to chew the fat etc. Many thanks, Raynor Johnston (Hamilton Kiwi) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Where to buy small quantities of resin To the person looking for model casting resin, Look in the back of any Fine Scale Modeler Magazine, in the display classified section for an add for "ACE RESIN". They sell every thing you would need to do any type of resin (polyurethane) casting for scale model use. Good Luck, Steve Wiper/Classic Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: What is USFS? To the person inquiring about "USFS" meaning-- United States Freaking Ship Hope that clears that up, Steve Wiper/Classic Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Baker Subject: SHIP SHOP SHIPPED OUT Lest Mr. Lau take a fruitless trip to Annapolis in search of the Ship Shop, be warned that it closed its doors about six months ago forever. There never seemed to be much for sale in the Maryland Avenue shop anyway, and the management did not seem very interested in stocking it. Of course, it definitely IS worthwhile to visit the USNI Press bookstore in the basement of the Naval Academy Museum and also to see the incredible ship model collection on the same floor and the museum itself on the floor above. The USNI's shop is stocked not only with their own books but also quite of few of interest from other publishers, plus various gadgets and gewgaws to keep wives and children happy. And they recently discovered a long-lost box of genuince rather floppy A.D. Baker,III, USN warship drawing postcards and put those up for sale in a rack near the door. Annapolis is worth a visit for may reasons, but no longer, alas, for the Ship Shop. Dave Baker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:700 submarines I have had a lot of email messages asking me to post information to contact SubCommittee member Ralph Ratcliffe, maker of the 1:700 polyurethane resin 1:700 submarine models which I posted about. Ralph can be reached directly by email at: ralphratcliffe@msn.com Unless his prices have changed, the 1:700 Seawolf, Los Angeles class (with parts for early and 688I class) and SSBN 616 USS Lafayette class subs are $20 each. The Sturgeon class was $15. Shipping in the US is $3. Ralph is in Pennsylvania, so residents of that state may have to pay sales tax. I am very happy with these beautiful little models. They are far superior in accuracy to the 1:700 DML styrene subs. My only affiliations with Ralph are as a fellow SubCommittee member and very satisfied customer. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: USS Pine Island I have the Revell Pine Island too but my question is about the ³Depth Charge Racks² (#7) and the large overhang on the quad 40mm on the stern. Could this be correct? I have also been told that the ³Main Deck Rear² (#8) should not be steel, but wood, which is more believable considering the source that relayed this information. How accurate is this kit? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Ophelia Subject: Bismarck Yellow Tops Greetings, O.k. not to stop anyone else's opinion concerning the Bismarcks gun tops from being posted but after rechecking the photos I'm convinced there was something up with the turret tops, the distinction between between them and the sides is TOO distinct and is NOT a lighting effect. Yes, I pointed out the forward secondary turrets are darker and this maybe be something that has been overlooked as well. I do not know how to explain it. Also, I must note that most internet pictures are unfortunatly not up to the standard of good pictures elsewhere and I found most listed the other day a bit hazzy and undefined (compared to mine and no they have not been touched up) - but still a decent resource for people without access to them otherwise. Now I have to ask what benefit could there have been to painting the tops a lighter grey? Besides extra work and more paint, from the looks of it the paint would have had to have been nearer to white-grey than not. Now, going out on a limb here, I have enough black and white photo experience to have burned my eyes out to *GUESS* that it is not a grey, something just seems wrong to me about it. A lighter colour though would definitly help the sun reflection theory out (pilots said they saw yellow - I like this one). Nonetheless, a lighter grey colour would still have been more noticable if this wanted this for recognition (or any reason) would yellow not have made more sense? Light grey may have blended in to much for the pilots or ships that may have had to distinguish her. In my opion this lighter colour would have made as much sense as her black and white stripes. Another thought is even if it was a heavy oil base paint that was used the lightness of the paint may have made hiding the red difficult - I swear there are rooms in my house that have taken 2 coats of primer and 2 coats of paint and I still swear I can see the old colour and this is acrylic?! - thank God I can paint a model better than that. Therefore they may have even gotten an orangy or yellowish tint? Is there a possibility that this lighter colour may have been what was under the red? or a primer? One last thing is that, and I know its been mentioned before and I mean no disrespect at all in anyway, is that people who were there are not always right, look no farther than Midway. There are times a could swear I put my keys in the kitchen but they are in my pocket (maybe it's a bad example...). Also, I read somewhere that a sailor on the Bismarck was up on a mast or somesuch and swore that the turrets were not yellow. If they were not does anyone know if any red was showing through? I assume that would have been the colour underneith since I doubt in the short time they had to paint the ship they would have stripped any paint. I am curious to know if any of the paint may have been removed by water. Perhaps the Prinz Eugen surivors may have put a cap on my arguments, I you never know... but somethings still don't make much sense ( to me at least). Well, all of this is obviously speculative, but I hope it's good food for thought and that we can get more opinions. Cheers; Mark A. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Marc Flake Subject: Texas Stops on the SMML tour across the USA Kurt: Since you'll be in Fredricksburg, you may want to take a detour and hit Larry McMurtry's used book store in Archer City -- it's on the courthouse square. Reports are that he's assembled one of the largest old book collections ever. I haven't been there, but intend to go when I can. Unfortunately, it's not on your way, it's about 3.5 hours north of Fredricksburg up US 281. It's not on 281, you have to jog to the west at Windthorst. When you're in Galveston visiting the DE, you ought to swing over to the Lone Star Aviation Museum across from Moody Gardens. I has a HUGE model of the a WWII carrier, I think it's the Enterprise CV-6. I believe it's 1/72 scale. Marc in Mansfield (TX) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Devonshire Robert: I've been looking at my old Almark Publications, "Royal Navy Warships 1939-1945." They have line drawings of all the King's ships, with scrap views of the variations within a class. The short answer, Devonshire is laid out like the Sussex. The pom poms are located just aft of the cranes. Marc in Mansfield (TX) (Where I'll be picking up my WEM Warspite at the Post Office tomorrow (Saturday). And I'm still waiting for my Waveline Maryland from Japan.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Small Drill Bits Hi SMML, I've bought some very, very small drill bits from Precision Scale Model Engineering, 33 Harding St., Milford, MA 01757, (508) 478-3148, Fax (508) 478-3590. They have some very small drills that are not listed in their catalogue, and their service was very good. As it turns out, in practice I rarely use anything smaller than a #80 bit. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML Across America Hi Kurt, You're doing well to start at the Admiral Nimitz Museum in Fredericksburg; it's a first-class museum and it has a few very nice models, including one of the Arizona (by Fine Art Models, I think). The Museum has a gift shop in an adjacent building that has primarily Naval Institute books. Fredericksburg is a small but extremely charming town, a little over an hour's drive from San Antonio. The best naval and military bookstore in San Antonio is the annex to the Antiquarian Book Mart on Broadway, but it is hard to find (let me know if you want to try) and is only open on Friday and Saturday afternoons. The proprietor, Frank Kellel, is a real character who was on an escort carrier in WWII and will talk your ear off. In Austin, Texas, you should go by Village Hobbies on Anderson Lane; it has an excellent collection of ship models and has a fair collection of naval books. While there, ask the proprietor, George Lewis, if he knows where the model of the USS Texas is. Years ago I happened to see a very nice large-scale model of the Texas as built with cage mast and all in a state government building, but I don't know where it is now. If Tom Eisenhour (a resident of Austin) sees this, he may be able to tell you (and me) where it is. Near Houston, you should see the Texas herself, and in Galveston you should see the Elyssa, a beautifully restored sailing ship. There is a little shipmodel shop near the Elyssa, but I don't remember the name. In Dallas, there's Phil's Hobbies on Valwood Parkway for shipmodels and books. I don't know of any ship models on public display in Dallas, but you could look up a fellow named Salomon Tristan (I'll give you his number if you e-mail me) who would probably show you his collection of contest-winning 1/350 ship models. I know he's done a 1/350 Enterprise in a dazzle pattern, but I haven't seen it yet. Hope this helps.... Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML Across America Well Kurt, as you're going to drop in on NY metro area for Fleetweek, consider some of the following: On the New Jersey side, in Hackensack, lies the USS Ling (SS297). A Balao class sub restored to WW II configuration, it's usually overshadowed by the ships over at the Intrepid Museum and at the South Street Seaport and probably doesn't get the attention it deserves. Worth checking out if you haven't done so previously. Moving east, at Throgs Neck & Ft. Schulyer (hard by the bridge) is the SUNY Maritime College, complete with its own fully operational merchantman used for training. Still moving (literally) right across the sound is the US Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Pt, which has an extraordinary collecton of model ships, all scales, all types, with heavy emphasis on liners. Absolutely worth checking out. For a change of pace, moving still further east over Long Island to Cold Spring Harbor is a whaling museum with a 1/2 scale (that's right, half size) replica of a whaling ship (whose name escapes me along with several other details as its late. Fellow SMMLies, don't crucify me if I've gotten the town wrong.) Finally, should you be wandering up to the Boston area, I believe I read just recently that "Big Mammie", the USS Massachusetss (BB59), is in drydock in Boston Harbor for some R & R. If true, I think that would be a very interesting photo shoot. And, just a little futher up in Quincy, Mass. is the USS Salem, (CA 139) the last of her kind. Hope this helps. Dan Kaplan, NYC ( back down to 50*F and where a massive allergy attack is the true herald of spring) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: IJN References Just to round out the previous comments, I would add a third fundamental selection to the two fine works already cited, Lacroix and Wells "Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War". Recently released, it focuses specifically on Japanese cruiser design and operational history. It's big, its expensive, its filled with detailed diagrams, tables, charts and photos and is worth every penny. It discusses design within the context of evolving Japanese naval policy along with detailed descriptions of weaponry, fire control, radars, communications, etc. The extensive appendices cover the organization of the IJN, Shipbuilding and Technical Departments under the IJN, Machinery, Material, Aeronautical Equipment, Ordanance and Fire Control, and many summary tables. It is a fine complement to the Kaigun and Jentschura books. (Speaking of the Kaigun book, my compliments to Jon Parshall and your contributions. Thank you also for mentioning that Evans and Peattie are going to release a book on IJN airpower; I've been wondering about that since reading about their intent in the "Kaigun" introduction and hoping that it would not become a casualty of time.) "JCotPW" is available from Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc. in addition to the Naval Institute Press. As is another good reference book, "Submarines of the Imperial Japanese Navy" by Carpenter and Polmar. It is concise and very helpful on explaining what I think of as a very confusing family of weapons system developement as practiced by the IJN. Also to be included in the IJN reference catalog are the three Anatomy of a Ship references by Skulski for Yamoto, Takao, and Fuso. (There was an extensive SMML thread on the Fuso release several months back; maybe someone else can reference it for you.) And, if you don't mind Japanese text, there is the Gran Prix series for modelers with releases to date for carriers, cruisers and destroyers. If you've seen any of the "Random Warship Detail" booklets by Tamiya, then you've had a taste of what's contained in these books. Very complete and detailed drawings of most every aspect of these ship classes. Similarly, Model-Art of Japan publishes two volumes with extensive line drawings in 1/700 scale: one volume covers BBs and DDs; the other covers CAs, CLs, and selected escorts. Finally, Gakken Books is issuing a series of softcover books filled with photos of museum quality models contructed by the IJN Warship Modelers Association. Books to date cover the Yamato, Nagato, the Shokakus, Akagi & Hiryu, Takao & Maya, Fubuki class DDs (primarily the Ushio), and a volume on submarines. Personnally, I find these the most helpful modeling references of all due to the fine qualty of the subject builds (all in 1/50, 1/100 or 1/200 scale). Hope this helps. Dan Kaplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: APMA Website Hi SMMLies, Well it up & running finally. Pop over to: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm & have a look at my attempts to set up a website. Some pages are still under construction & I'll try & get to them over the coming weeks. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Shane Subject: NSW Challenge shield Hi gang, On the 19th June APMA is hosting this years NSW Challenge Shield at Auburn RSL. This is a yearly competition between the members of the NSW & ACT modelling clubs. This year in a departure from the norm, we'll be inviting the public in to view the competition & to partake in the modelling talks & demonstrations we have planned. The doors will open at 10.30 & the admission is $2.00 per person plus $1.00 per model entered in the competition. We hope to have several traders present, as well a "swap & sell" table. I hope to see as many SMMLies that can make as possible. Any queries, just come back to me at mailto:sljenkins@tac.com.au . Regards, Shane Vice President APMA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume