Subject: SMML29/04/99VOL530 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:34:55 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: New kits in resin 2: Re: Hobby shops in LA 3: Koop & Schmolke Bismarck book 4: Re: 1:700 Resin kits I would like to see 5: Re: 1:700 Resin kits I would like to see 6: First Resin Kit: 1/700th US Cruisers 7: Re: Scaling color to scale size of models 8: Re: USN catapults 9: Re: 1/350 Langley model 10: Re: Collectors Sea View 11: Re: Hobby Shops in L.A. 12: Re: Models you would like to see 13: USS TICONDEROGA CV/CVA-14 14: Elco PT Boat Mistake 15: Models I would like to see 16: 1/350 Fletcher decals 17: Re: SMML Trek across the USA 18: Re: New kits in resin 19: Re: Fletcher Decals 20: Models I would like to see 21: Re: SMML Across America 22: Re: California Hobby Shops 23: Re: Hobby Shops in LA 24: Re: Models that I would like to see 25: 1/700 Planking and aircraft. 26: Re: Models you would like to see. 27: "Bread and Butter" construction 28: Re: Ships I'd like to see - PT Boats 29: Re: SMML Across America - King's Bay NSB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: First Resin kit ... 2: Essex-class Carriers 1/350 3: P/E carrier tie downs 4: WTB JSP 1/700 USS Cimarron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: New kits in resin If you're looking for an ENTERPRISE backdate for her "beehive" days, don't fit her with F8 Crusaders. When we operated with her in the 1966-70 period, her air wing included SPADs (1966-7), A4s, A6s, A3s, A5s, S2s (1966-7), Hawkeyes (1969-70).....but no F8s, and I doubt she'd have had them ca.1975. Nothing quite like watching a plane as big and pretty as an A5 coming in on a wavetop pass, pulling vertical as he lights the burners, and disappearing out of sight going straight up. Impressive! John Snyder Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club, 1966-7, 1969 Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Hobby shops in LA For GMM photoetch, and plastic and resin ship kits, make it Brookside Hobby in Garden Grove. Give them a call for directions, and they're generally open until about 8pm (sorry, I don't have the phone number at hand--I just know the directions from where I stay when I'm in Pasadena). John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "foeth" Subject: Koop & Schmolke Bismarck book I have a copy of this book in German, and the English version looked identical to me. If you do not have many Bismarck material, the book might be slightly interesting. It tries to cover a bit on history (including of the gentlemen the ship was named after, although I do not think that is very usefull, as it uses 2 full pages), structure, characteristics, some small drawings (Most of the readers would need a magnifying glass to read the fine print), and some pictures. If this would be a 500 page volume the setup would be great, but the book is too small, so all subjects fall short. For modelbuilding, most pictures are the "Look at the ship at the horizon", and are not very useful. There are some pictures of Tirpitz with camouflage, but they are also to be found in the other books. Almost all (If not all) material can be found in other volumes. So it's more a book for 'starters'. The information is too random. In some other volumes they will show a pic of a small rangefinder (Copy from the archives), but they willl not show the larger and more important rangefinders. The book is actually a set of three items, this book, a set of general arrangement drawings, and a paperback on modeling the ship (Although it comes down to showing a few pics of the models at a Kiel museum, but the models are very good) The other items are, as far as I know, not translated. In short, it summarizes a lot from other, more useful books. I would recommend: Bismarck History: Mullheim Rechbergs book (interesting reading), although there are plenty books on this subject Bismarck detail pics: Elfrath's and Herzogs book, and "Technikgeschichtliche doukumentation" by S. Breyer (I heard it was out of print, even if it is almost brand new) Bismarck Construction: Garzke and Dulins Axis Battleship chapter on the Bismarcks Tirpitz History: See Jochen Brennecke's book (In German!), or Browns "Tirpitz, Floating Fortress" I'd recommend Brennecke, who writes in a more compelling way. Tirpitz Pics: Breyers "Schlachtschiff Tirpitz", paperback. Not too many usefull pictures, but there simply aren't many good Tirpitz pics around, but it does have most of more usefull ones. The history books have some usefull pictures too. As for drawings, I recommend the drawings by H. Gally, which are suberb (although he insists on yellow turrettops), and can be ordered at the Christian Schmidt (See warship page under links). They are expensive, but worth the trouble if you intend to do a lot of large scale scrapping. I might have some more nice books on my overloaded shelf, but I'm a few thousand miles from it, but the books above are worth the trouble of reading. The Koop & Schmolke book is more something if you want to start yet another Bismarck site, without getting too technical. Evert-Jan foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Philip Downing Subject: Re: 1:700 Resin kits I would like to see >> In my opinion, there is a general absence of resin carriers. I agree Lexington would be great, as would Yorktown or Essex (ww2 fit). Other models I would like to see: BC Goeben CL Kirov CGN Kirov CG Slava Other Russian late 1940's-1950's CL's i.e. Chapeav, Anevsky, etc. LHD Wasp BB Montana (that would be very interesting, if you could get info on this might-have-been) << Some of these are available: Classic Warships makes a Moltke/Goeben kit. HP models (Germany) makes the "missile battlecruiser" Kirov. Imperial Navy (Pennsylvania) makes a Montana kit, and is working on another model of the Kirov. Myself, I would like to see the battlecruisers Courageous, Glorious, and (especially) Furious.] A French pre-dreadnought would be nice. Russian dreadnought Gangut. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Gordon Hogg Subject: Re: 1:700 Resin kits I would like to see More for the 1:700 "Resin Kits I'd Like To See" sweepstakes: First off, I'm glad to see that some of my wants are duplicated, by Louis Costanzo in particular. (Louis: there are existing 1:700 resin kits of the CL KIROV and the would-be BB MONTANA, by Kombrig and Imperial Hobby (?), respectively). I have too many USN projects going to wish for more, so I'll run up these ideas, and see if anyone salutes: Dutch CL DE RUYTER (post-war ship), to keep the ever-forthcoming Artitec CV KAREL DOORMAN company, if and when. Swedish CL TRE KRONOR/GOTA LEJON. Rakish! The first two iterations of the Italian "Condottieri" CLs, the ultralight DI GIUSSANO class, and the MONTECUCCOLI pair. CHAPAEV/SVERDLOV cruisers of the Soviet Navy. The final word in Italian cruiser design influence. Also, the SKORYI and KASHIN DDs. French post-war CVs FOCH/CLEMENCEAU, CLs COLBERT/DE GRASSE, and big Type 47 DDs CASSARD, KERSAINT, and their derivatives. Canadian CV BONAVENTURE, and all post-war DDs beginning with the ST LAURENT and RESTIGOUCHE classes up to the present. I'd be both surprised and terrified if these came to pass: who would I get to build them (much less buy them) while I work on the rest of my backlog? Gordon Hogg Lexington, Kentucky USA (where the humid spring weather has been dumping rain on the track at nearby Churchill Downs in anticipation of the Kentucky Derby on Saturday (May 1). Ladies and gentlemen, place your bets! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Rob Mackie" Subject: First Resin Kit: 1/700th US Cruisers To the SMML reader wanting to build a US Cruiser for his first 1/700th resin model: You'll be happy with just about anything from Corsair Armada. All of CA's WW2 US cruisers are excellent. Casting, instructions and accuracy are top notch. I believe they would be excellent first resin kits. Most of them lack etched brass if that matters to you. Nevertheless they build into beautiful replicas out of the box. Another good choice would be the recently released Baltimore class heavy cruisers from Waveline. Both the Baltimore and Pittsburgh (also a Baltimore class CA) are superbly engineered. The many resin parts fit together like legos. White metal is the best in the business. No one does white metal better than Waveline. The instructions are in Japanese, but consist mainly of exploded view diagrams so this is not a significant drawback. No etched brass, but PEis unnecessary as the kits are superbly detailed. Pacific Front has these kits for around $75. Classic Warships makes a very nice 1/700th USS San Francisco you should also consider. This was released at last year's IPMS Nats and deserves more attention than it has received. It shows this heavy cruiser in its 1944 fit. You won't go wrong with any of the above mentioned cruiser models. Rob Mackie Warship http://warship.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Norman Samish Subject: Re: Scaling color to scale size of models >> Will whoever has the article on adding white to correct a color to model scale please tell me which correction (% white to add) for 1:6000 scale? Yes 1:6000 !!! << I fit some data to a hyperbola that extrapolates to 97.8% white at 1/6000. The formula is % = (-197.941 * scale + 100.0844 )/(135.9512 * scale + 1), where "%" is the percentage of white to add. Scale Actual % Pred. % 1 0 -0.7 1/32 16 17.9 1/48 25 25.0 1/72 35 33.7 1/350 71.7 1/700 83.6 1/1200 89.8 1/6000 97.8 0 100 100.1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "RLOCKIE" Subject: Re: USN catapults Thanks to Bob LaBouy for his comments on my recent post. This is another area on which I claim no expertise but I confess that I did compare the FSM article to the only catapult of which I could easily remember the construction (GMM's 1/700 affair) and it did look pretty different, particularly as regards the walkways, which are more complex in the GMM set. I happily bow to your knowledge on this one - it probably reinforces the danger of reliance on a nicely-drawn plan which may not actually be accurate, a phenomenon not restricted to ship modelling....... Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/350 Langley model To do a 1/350 Langley would involves a TREMENDOUS amount of photo etched parts that would have to be designed very carefully to integrate with the kit. The Langley had a bunch of exposed girders under the flight deck so the model would literally have to be built around the PE girders. The large amount of PE would undoubtedly drive the price up some but there is no reason why a great model of this carrier couldn't be produced. There was an article in FSM sometime ago (I don't recall the issue) with scale drawings for the PE. This would be a good starting point. If any model maker wants to take a shot at this kit I will volunteer to design the PE. PS I would like to see any 1/350 IJN "Pearl Harbor" carriers or 1/350 Russian Moskva, ahhhhahhhahhahh! (ALA Homer Simpson) or Slava class missile frigate. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Ships and Tips http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Rusty, the FSM issue is as follows: USS Langley scratchbuilt in 1/700 Fine Scale Modeller March 1995 pp 74 Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Collectors Sea View Check with John Burns at Kit Collectors Clearinghouse. He lives a short distance from me here in Edmond. He'll be happy to help if he can. He also publishes a reference guide to collectible kits that he can send you as well. His email address is: mailto:cheersjwb@aol.com Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Ships and Tips http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Hobby Shops in L.A. Greg Lee wrote: >> I will be in L.A next week, and was wondering where the best place to pick up some GMM Brass will be? (Sorry Loren, was In WA Last year:-) Any points of interest (Naval or Modelling) I should make an effort to see? << I would go to Brookhurst Hobbies for the Brass - they have some unusual resin kits, too, including some local production. The San Pedro Maritime Museum has Loren's beautiful 1/96 scale Long Beach, along with some other fine models, including 1/48 scale cutaway models of the Titanic and another liner (Lusitania?). The "Poseiden" in 1/48 scale from the movie is there, along with a nice 1/48 scale model of the Los Angeles. Well worth a visit. Of course, you can see the Queen Mary and a Russian Foxtrot submarine in Long Beach. You also might want to contact Scalshpyrd@aol.com to ask Lee if he is going to be back by then. His shop is always well worth a visit, with a bunch of large scale models in different stages of completion. He loves to talk "warship"! San Diego is a 2 hour drive away, if you want to see 1:1 scale warships - they have a nice maritime museum there too. Kurt In Jacksonville, Florida right now, where lightening, thunder and rain come with 72 degree temps! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Re: Models you would like to see Re: a 1/700 USS Wasp (CV-7), I did one from scratch several years ago, and drew up plans for all the "parts" I had to make from sheet plastic, then detailed using Skywave and Tamiya Enterprise/Hornet parts. So if anyone is interested in doing this one from scratch, drop me a line. My two votes are for a 1/700 scale prewar Lexington and a 1/700 scale late war Enterprise. Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: USS TICONDEROGA CV/CVA-14 Jerry, I've kitbashed (and photographed during construction) the Hasegawa kit as a May '44 Ticonderoga, but there were a number of changes during a 1945 refit (I don't offhand recall if it'd be before the time period you're talking about, but I bet it would.) So beware of any "as built" plans of CV-14 because they changed a few things shortly after completion (lengthened the shortened flight deck, removed the characteristic cutout for the third Mark 37 director, etc.) Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Marc Flake Subject: Elco PT Boat Mistake Okay, I'm new to PT Boats. I should have said that I'd like to see a 1/72 scale Higgins 78 foot boat -- PT 791-808. I just got Motorbooks "PT Boats at War, World War II to Vietnam," and I'm getting "the urge." I bought the Elco 80-footer (PT 109) this afternoon, looking for a Revell Vosper (does anyone know if there's any difference between this and the Airfix Vosper?). It would also be nice if someone produced some extra weapons sets, like depth charges and the four gun Thunderbolt mount used in the Mediterranean. This book is a great buy, by the way. Lots of photos. Marc in Mansfield (TX) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "mkrumrey" Subject: Models I would like to see For the record, and the list: I would like to see in 1/350 scale: Pine Island Sea Plane tender APA 129 USS Marvin H. Macintyre Korean war era Midway Class Carrier So; Let's see where all of this leads. Mark Krumrey New Richmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "mkrumrey" Subject: 1/350 Fletcher decals Does Duane Fowler have any idea as to the release date of the Fletcher non-skid in 1/350? Mark Krumrey New Richmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML Trek across the USA >> Nice try, Tom. You almost have me wanting to take my next vacation back East. At least I won't have to worry about currency conversion, passports, and driving on the wrong side of the road. Or will I? :-}) I remember my dad's using his Navy ID to take me to the Brooklyn Navy Yard back in the fifties where we went aboard Gato. Maybe that is why I like to build submarine models today. << It's the siren call of SSN 571, just waiting for you in Groton. It's the giant wall of submarine models in Groton, calling to you. It's that unusual SSG Growler, complete with Regulus missile, calling to you from the Big Apple. Two fleet boats in WWII condition within a two hour drive! The annual SubCommittee Regatta in Groton, complete with submarine tours and enough sub models to leave you bretahless! They're calling you, Ken! They say, come to the East, where there are only two types of ships- submarines and targets! Heh, heh, that's why I build subs, too!! Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: James Corley Subject: Re: New kits in resin >> Obviously I'd love to see a 1/350 USS Nimitz..... with options for sisterships etc etc, but I suppose it will never happen. Within the realm of possibility, however, would be a "backdating" set for Tamiya's USS Enterprise  circa 1975 - Beehive island, AA weapons, F8 Crusaders et al. << Jon Warneke & I have discussed this....the mold engineering for the beehive would be too complex and neither of us is free enough to try right now. I will, however, be releasing a set for the other Enterprise (1944 or so) for the old Revell kit in the future. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: MDDoremus@aol.com Subject: Re: Fletcher Decals Duane, I remain enthusiastic about the decals. I read and ignored the parts about "early war" and "Taymia", my own fault and I know it. The Skywave kit I have is their number W-1, USS Callaghan, it has parts for both round and square bridge versions as well as enough 20 and 40 mm AA guns for either type. I don't know if this kit is still in production, or if there will be any demand for a Skywave version of the decal. My desire is to model the USS Johnson, a square bridge. I am thinking of photocopying the "generic" version onto a transparency and cutting and fitting that into position. I will use that as a master to trim the decal before applying. For the different tubs, square bridge and different fantail configurations, I will try to fit the small single pads to make a 'logical' or actual placement. The Skywave kit has a pattern of raised lines forming anti-skid walkways that may be of some help. I will be glad to forward any notes and cutouts I make to you. Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: JOHNEME@aol.com Subject: Models I would like to see This is easy to write since no one listens to me. I would like to see: Pre-World War 2 1/350 SMS Scharnhorst (1914) 1/350 Algerie (French Navy CA) Post World War 2 1/350 USS California or Arkansas (CLGN) 1/350 Kirov (Soviet battlecruiser, not CA) John Emery -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: RCClem@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML Across America Kurt Greiner, Are you planning to get up to Philadelphia to see the USS Olympia? I think the last set of your photos that I saw in a magazine article showed her prior to her recent paint job. I'd be interested in their progress to reopen the parts of the ship that were closed from the public tour due to asbestos and lead paint. I was impressed by the efforts of the group that restored the dynamo room, which is down below the protective deck and off the beaten track. It will probably never be on the public tour and their efforts will be seen by very few people. It was real treat to see the work bench that just might be the one on which my grandfather wrote his war time diaries. My hat is off to any and all that volunteer their time to preserve and restore these historical ships. Roger Clemens Hinsdale, Illinois -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Loren Perry Subject: Re: California Hobby Shops Greg Lee's trip to California should include a stop at Brookhurst Hobbies, 12188 Brookhurst Street, Garden Grove, CA 92640. Phone (714) 636-3580. This very large hobby shop not only carries the GMM range of photoetched ship details and decals, but they also carry an enormous variety of plastic, resin, and white metal ship model kits, including 1/1200 - 1/2400 wargame models. In addition, their range of reference books, paints, tools, and other goodies is outstanding. Plus they have a number of beautiful built-up model ships loaded with photoetched fittings. One of the models on display there is my own 1/350 USS Iowa, my first attempt at using my own products (back in the 1980's) and the one in the GMM handbook. The rails are way too thick of course, thanks to my heavy-handed painting techniques of that day, but it'll make your own work look that much better by comparison. Brookhurst Hobbies was the very first dealer ever to carry GMM products starting back in 1986, even before I began advertising in FineScale Modeler magazine. While you're there, might as well drive another two miles northeast and visit Disneyland! Or two miles straight east to see the Crystal Cathedral, another icon of modern America. Or fifteen miles west to visit the Queen Mary. Or just a little further northwest to see Hollywood, etc. etc... And don't be rude to any motorists, no matter how they drive (A favorite Southern California bumper sticker: "I'm not ignoring you - I'm reloading."). Have fun! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Alicja & David Lombard" Subject: Re: Hobby Shops in LA If you've never been here: - LA is huge. Everything seems to be an hour drive from everything else. - Freeways in California, especially LA, are ALWAYS jammed. Just deal with it. Check out our traffic at http://traffic.maxwell.com/la/index.html - The only time the air is clear is just after it rained, or when the winds are tipping over trailer trucks. - 40 deg in the morning, and were complaining about the cold. 30 deg and (gasp) frost, and we're digging out the winter parkas (yes, we do actually get frost once or twice a year!). This will probably be just like home though... Weather info is available at http://www.nwsla.noaa.gov/forecast.html - Don't let an overcast morning fool you, it will probably clear up. Surprisingly though, lately it is actually *raining* now and then! - It's always shaking here (whether you notice or not). Check out the latest temblor info at http://www.scecdc.scec.org/recenteqs/Quakes/quakes0.html http://www.scecdc.scec.org/recenteqs/Maps/Los_Angeles.html Back to the question: The only place I'm aware of for GMM brass is Brookhurst Hobbies, on Brookhurst in Garden Grove. That's about 25 miles south of LAX airport (30 minutes no traffic, 1 hour with), 35 miles south of downtown LA or Westwood (1 hour no traffic, 1:20 with), and 40 or more miles south of "the valley". Fortunately for me, it's only about 5 miles from my house. You should probably email ahead to make sure they have/get what you want. Contact them via http://www.brookhursthobbies.com/ They carry resin, plastic, metal kits; PE, books, PSM -- it's the best place in LA for readers of this list. Others: Glendale Hobbies, on Colorado in Glendale. Last time I checked, they had a couple of nice Polish card models. Otherwise only a few wooden kits. It's only a couple of miles from where I work, so I could check on the card models if you like (yes, I live 32 miles from work). Pegasus Hobbies, on Greenleaf in Whittier. Plastic, plus a fair selection of wooden and about the best local RC boat place. Points of maritime interest are the Los Angeles Maritime Museum, in San Pedro (port of Los Angeles), the QUEEN MARY in Long Beach. BTW the Endeavour was here in Orange County last week. David Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Roy Man Subject: Re: Models that I would like to see Dear Smmlies: I would like to see them in big resin cast (1/350) Germany: 1) Seydlitz(BC) 2) Goeben(BB) 3) Bayern/Baden(BB) France: 1) Richielieu(BB) 2)Dunkerque/Strasbourg(BB) Italy: 1) Roma(BB) 2)Andrea Duilio (BB) 3)Dante Aligerhi(BB) Britain: 1) Renown(BC) 2)Tiger(BC) 3)Ark Royal III(CV) U.S: 1) Idaho (BB) Hope model craftsmen/company managers would seriously consider them in their future plans. Regards, Roy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "brian lawrence fawcett" Subject: 1/700 Planking and aircraft. I have just subscribed to SMML and have found it most interesting. My name is Brian Fawcett, I am a professional model/pattern maker and I spend most of my time working for White Ensign Models. Although my usual modelling interests are more inclined towards aircraft in 1/48th scale, the challenge of working in 1/700 and 1/350 scale has proved to be most enjoyable. HMS Chester in 1/700 is the first ship pattern that WEM let me make for them, since then I have made most of their 1/700 patterns and done some work on some of the 1/350 ships. The only complete 1/350 ship pattern being HMS Sheffield. Anyway thats enough about me. The reason for this E-mail is that I noticed that their was some interest in how the planking had been done on WEM's patterns. It's not complicated I just scribe them, an enormous amount of scrap ones are usually made before I get one that I am happy with. It started when Dave Carter said that he didn't think it would be possible to get the planking fine enough in 1/700 to look right, as I was working on HMS Chester when he said it and I wanted to impress him hoping that it would bring more work I spent a long time developing my scribing. It seem to have worked. If you have any thoughts on any way I could improve my patterns I would be very pleased to here from you. It's a little difficult knowing what areas to try and improve not being a ship modeller. At the moment I am working on the airstrike 700 range and could do with ideas or suggestions for future subjects, individual aircraft or groups (eg soviet modern) that sort of thing. Please E-mail me with your ideas. Anyway its time I got back to the work bench, I look forward to any comments. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Martin Short" Subject: Re: Models you would like to see. Looks like John has thrown the first round in a new bunfight........ As an RN man I would have to say, post WWII.....HMS Vanguard...no arguement....(the best looking battleship ever built in my humble one eyed opinion) ....1/700th....coz anything of decent size in resin, ie: 1/350, costs between NZ$1000 - $1200 landed if my maths is right: that, and the fact that my modelling skills couldn't do them justice. Pre WWII I would have to go back to previous global disagreement and vote for the German Derfflinger class, (the second best looking capital ship(s), using my other eye), again in 1/700. Something in the memory banks has given me a nudge, which suggests that this class may have already been done, if so apologies for 'dredging' old harbours. Raspberry buns are the preferred ammunition. cheers, "Shorty" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Steve Richards" Subject: "Bread and Butter" construction Hi fellow modellers, Could someone could give a clear and concise explanation of what is meant by "bread and butter" model construction? When I have scratch-built ship models I have mostly used the hull-carved-from-a-block-of -wood method!! Is bread and butter and easier method? Many thanks, Steve in Adelaide, South Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: eugenek Subject: Re: Ships I'd like to see - PT Boats Revell Germany produces the PT-117 in 1/72 and Revell US produces the PT-109, also in 1/72 scale. I've purchased both within the last six months at local hobby shops in the Washing DC area. PT Boats are one of my special interests. I've been collecting unbuilt models in various scales for about a year now. I have one which is a wood hull version in 1/64 produced by Varney in the 1940's, and a 1/64 scale by Lindberg. Lindberg is supposed to be re-releasing a PT-109 in 1/32 scale. The Modelers Vault is offering a pre-order on these. Are there any other PT-Boaterts out there? I'm also interested in two types of US Navy Vessels. One would be of the USS South Carolina CGN-37, I believe it is a California Class and the USS Gherardi DMS-30 (Gleaves Class). Originally built as a DD then converted to Destroyer MineSweeper and finally in 1955, converted back to a DD, with the hull number DD-637. I am assuming the Gleaves -Benson Class were after the Fletcher class. The Gherardi's keel was layed 12/16/40 and commissioned 9/15/42. Any information on models of these two classes would be greatly appreciated. Eugene Kessler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Re: SMML Across America - King's Bay NSB >> On your way to Savannah, check out Kingsport Submarine Base, near the FL-GA border on I-95. << >>> Is there any access to this base? My understanding is that Trident bases are very highly secured, by some serious folks with no sense of humor. I've photographed the above water exterior of an Ohio before in any event, but haven't had the chance to tour one yet. <<< Kurt First of all -- its the King's Bay Naval Submarine Base. It's located at Kingsland, GA - exit at the first or second exit on I-95 north of the state-line out of Jacksonville. Second of all -- you're right. The folks at the front gate at the sub bases generally don't have their happy faces on. They tend to get even less happy the deeper into the base you go - in the weapon storage area they'll shoot first and ask questions later. King's Bay is a closed base - and with the current unpleasantness in the Balkans, they're probably pretty tight on security. But, you may have some luck - if your reputation preceeds you. You could always drop a coin in the phone booth at the GA Welcome Center at exit one and call the base Public Affairs Office and explain what you want - you might get in. You could also try the quarterdeck for the off-crew offices (Blue/Gold crews). A sympatheic chief can often do more than the PAO. While you're in the Jacksonville area and calling Public Afffairs Offices -- try Mayport. There is at least 1 carrier home-ported there, along with its battle group. Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Re: First Resin kit ... Hi Everyone, Since there's been this question about what would make a good first resin kit, I thought I'd mention a new kit Iron Shipwrights has just begun to release. The kit is of a US PC-461 class Subchaser, and comes with all of the usual stuff found in a resin kit. Because of the size of the subject and number of resin parts (15), it was designed specifically to be sold as a "beginners" kit. The kit includes custom photoetch for the kit, and retails for US $25.00. You can get these kits directly through Commander Series Models at 888-476-6744, or through most of the usual outlets (Pacific Front, APC Hobbies, Rocky Mountain Shipyard). As for the old Gulfstream Type VII U-Boat, that pattern was sold to Classic Warships, and should be available through them. Jon Warneke Commander Series Models I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Marsha Simmons Subject: Essex-class Carriers 1/350 If this is an intrusion/imposition please forgive me and disregard. If not, I'm looking for a 1/350 kit of USS Intrepid WWII Essex-class carrier. My father-in-law flew Corsairs from her in WWII. Would like to build for him as a gift. Thank you for your time & help. Best regards, J.L. Simmons -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: P/E carrier tie downs Les Dorr,Jr. wrote about his process for making 1/72 USN carrier deck tie down, well I think I might have an easier solution-buy my 1/72 photo etched brass strips. Contact Steve Wiper/Classic Warships- Ph.(520)748-2992 e-mail stevewiper@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Gary Au Subject: WTB JSP 1/700 USS Cimarron I would like to have an un-build 1/700 AO-177 Cimarron by Jim Shirley Production. Can anybody help me to get or sell/trade with me? Gary, Hong Kong. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume