Subject: SMML06/05/99VOL537 Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:54:11 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Recovering Nukes/Peelings Spuds 2: Photo etch 3: Re: You have to see it to belive it. 4: Victory at Sea 5: Early Fletcher Paint Schemes 6: Rotring pens 7: Re: HMS Warspite 8: 1918 HMT Resolve and Rollcall Tugs 9: Tamiya German Battleships? 10: WEM Catalogue Update 11: Computerized master patterns 12: Modelkrak kits 13: IJN Sub decks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New GMM products 2: Model ship Collection sale 3: Unexpectedly out of town 4: May NavisMagazine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Re: Recovering Nukes/Peelings Spuds Those guys must be related to my mother in law! When in Pompeii, Italy (where else?) she didn't want to take a closer tour of Mt. Vesuvius just in case it cooked off again. She stayed at ground level nice and safe in Pompeii. Also, wanted to know why the folks just didn't run to the beach and get in the water. She also questions why I have SOOOOO many ship models, so what do you expect? Our prayers are with the Oakies, Rusty. Of course, Rusty knows why there is an Oklahoma. As a transplanted Texan and Aggie, I am duty bound to divulge the secret: there was a backdoor at the Alamo and the one guy who left, headed north to OK. Seriously, that storm was and will continue to be a tragic day for the poor Sooners. Gene Katz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Torgeson Roger A KPWA" Subject: Photo etch If any of the fine photo etch manufactures out there are looking for ideas for new items, how about A set of cable reels, both deck and bulkhead mounted in all the popular scales. GMM include a few in a number of sets, and they sure beat the solid cast metal ones that come in most ship kits. Just a thought. Roger Torgeson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: You have to see it to belive it. >> To Rusty, if it was 1/10 as bad as it seems on the news, then our hearts are out to all of you.) << Like the Murrah bldg. bombing, TV just doesn't do this justice. If you see it in person you can't help but cry. Rusty White Flagship Models inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Djhudgel@aol.com Subject: Victory at Sea Help, Can someone give me a online source for the new surround sound Victory at Sea CD. I've tried several without sucess. Doug Hudgel, Anniston, Al -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Early Fletcher Paint Schemes Hello I am at the point in my 1:700 scale Fletcher where I have to decide on a paint scheme and a particular vessel. I would like to depict either Nicholas, O'Bannon or Jenkins before their first refits, but would prefer not to tackle the dapple camo scheme. (official reason: "spoils the lines of the ship" / acutal reason: "too difficult") Were any of these ships repainted without the dapple camo before refitting, if so, which ship, when and what meaure? In particular, I noted two photos of Nicholas which seem to show dapple camoflage on the hull, and a solid color on the superstructure. Did she carry this scheme into battle? Cheers Dave Krakow at new e-address! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: CHRIS DRAGE Subject: Rotring pens Hi Dan, >> I am intrigued by your advocating the use of a Rotring Pen for blacking out portholes. Anything that saves effort and inhances appearance or accuracy is worth a shot in my book. Having done some quick research on this pricey item, it appears several diameters are available. Which diameter do you use? << I use Rotring pens all the time for such tasks. For port holes use the 0.35mm pen. It is so easy to get really good looking portholes. Try the 0.5 for large gun barrels and the 0.25mm for windows and other small, dark apertures. I bought my three pen set for £18.00 which was about half price. The sets are still for sale in art/graphics shops. Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo.... (Te reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Les Brown Subject: Re: HMS Warspite It appears the modern 'Warspite' is derived from the Elizabethan 'Warspight'. The 'spight' indicates defiance or contempt, as indicated by the ship's badge including a cannon. 'Spight' was also an Elizabethan colloquial word for a 'green woodpecker' and hence there was a rather unofficial badge portraying this bird, which appeared on the guns' tampions and the boats' bows of the 7th Warspite - the battleship of 1913. Information obtained from 'A Companion To The Royal Navy' by David A Thomas. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Raynor Johnston" Subject: 1918 HMT Resolve and Rollcall Tugs Hi guys, I have a large scale model of one of the attractive twin funnel armed naval salvage steam tugs underway and I am seeking information on what on earth are the cylindical shaped canisters under each bridge wing. My drawing shows 5 under the starb' and 4 under the port side, it shows them as grey metal objects somewhat like 50 gal. drums. They stand on end. Also any pointers as to books that might have photos that would identify the style of hull plating so I can make a reasonable attempt at reproducing same. Many thanks, Raynor Johnston -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Terry Wiltshire" Subject: Tamiya German Battleships? I've been reading this group for a few weeks (lurking I think it's called) but this is my first contribution. Whilst nosing around HLJ I came across two Tamiya ships which had me intrigued 31606 German BB Deutschland and 31605 German BB Schupe. Both not released yet. I've heard of the Pocket Battleship Deutchland (Lutzow) but Schupe? Are they WW I stuff? or is it a cock up..... Any info would be appreciated. Incidently if you go to the Tamiya site there is some CAD and pictures of test shots for their forthcoming Shinano. Terry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Ed Grune Subject: WEM Catalogue Update Okay Caroline, You teased us with your catalogue update which includes listings for new Vospers and Elcos in your Narrow Seas line. What's the word on them? When will they be available and what is your projected price? Ed Mansfield, TX We got rocked by the same storm system which hit Rusty, but thankfully nowhere near as bad. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Rusty and all our other friends and neighbors across the Red River. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Computerized master patterns I know for a fact some companies exist that can produce master patterns from CAD files. I want to know if anyone knows of such companies. I know it isn't cheap but to design a model on the computer would result in perfect fitting masters and I would be very much interested in that. Viking Models hull to the 1/700 New York was done this way but they are reluctant to share the information with me. Any help would be appreciated. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Modelkrak kits I got me most of the Modelkrak kits which are available now, and I must admit, I am not too amused. Casting is indeed done very clean and sharp, but their casting technique is way behind any standard. There are still mighty casting blocks which you have to saw off (in case of the hull) or sand away in plenty of time. To find a deck part moulded flat onto a 3 to 4 mm thick pedastal is realy not enjoying. Also, in some kits, gun shields for small guns are already moulded in place, but are unfortunately too small. In some kits there were not enough vents or boats. Finally there are no davits or masts and not even a rod to make them or a drawing showing the necessary lengths. Until now, Modelkrak kits are no more than craftsman kits and by no means a match for Kombrig models. Nevertheless, I realy like the ships of this era, and their price is not too high. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Cooper, Mike" Subject: IJN Sub decks Dear All You may remember that I posted a request for help with the colour of IJN Sub decks. I had found a note that someone had told me that when planked, they were treated with a bitumen compound, and hence were dull black. This was actually only part correct. In between finishing off WEM's Tribal and building a little tank (Vickers Light AA MkI, converted from the new JB kit, to be finished in the rather fetching SCC2 and !a of c.1942...) I found the original email message. By the looks of it this came from NAVIS in the days when it was free, so the Editor must be (I think) Paolo Prizzi (???? Apologies if this is wrong). As I recall, NAVIS was a good source on IJN, so I have some faith in the info. The note was to the effect that: a) Not all sub classes had wood planking - the I-19s didn't it says and b) there is so little tonal contrast between decks and hulls that it is difficult to believe that the former were even very weathered wood (although I note the relative darkness of RN wood decks). The notes goes on to state that in all probability IJN wood sub decks were waterproofed with some tar compound and then painted to match the hull. This sounds sensible, but I lack the knowledge to evaluate it - U-Boat practice was to paint wood area using a bitumen based dull black, which is where I got confused Any thoughts?? Mike Cooper Reading UK, where is dull, but mild (sheetsleeves, and no thermals) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Loren Perry Subject: New GMM products Gold Medal Models has released several new sets: 1. No. 350-18 1/350 scale set of Extra USN railing. The set provides 5,000 scale feet of extra-fine 3-bar and 2-bar rails in five different configurations including pre-curved bow rails for upswept forward decks and simulated canvas-covered rails with relief-etched lacing detail. Illustrated instructions included. Price: $20.00 plus postage. 2. No. 240-5 1/240 Buckley/Bligh/Ward set. This two-in-one set equips TWO complete models. Fits Revell destroyer escort Buckley or Bligh plus Revell destroyer Ward, Aaron Ward, or Buchanan. Provides relief-etched 3-D details with pre-shaped dedicated railing for both ships (with relief-etched netting in several sections), depth charge equipment and davits, antiaircraft gun details, gunsights, seats, control wheels, etc. for larger gun mounts, relief-etched watertight doors with hinge and handle detailing, searchlight tower, radar and D.F. antennas, 3-D relief-etched boat davits, life raft bottom nets, yardarms, and much more. Illustrated instructions included. Price: $40 plus postage (or $20 per ship). 3. No. 700-27 1/700 IJN Auxiliary Ship set. This two-in-one set equips TWO complete models. Fits Skywave Akashi, Chogei, Jingei, and Akitsushima plus Aoshima Chitose and Chiyoda. Provides 3-D Relief etched details including preshaped dedicated railing for all classes (featuring rails with integral upper deck stanchions for Chogei/Jingei and "drooped chain" main deck rails for all classes), simulated 3-D canvas covered upper deck rails, ladders, funnel cap grilles, full mast and yardarm details, D. F. and radar antennas, complete crane, strongback, and rigging details for all classes (including crane boom stowage cradles), four complete 3-D relief-etched catapults with shuttles and seaplane trolleys, seaplane propellers, wing struts, & float struts. Also provided is a clothesline with hanging laundry (jumpers, trousers, blankets, etc.) for use in dioramas. Designed to comply with official IJN blueprints provided courtesy Mr. M. Suzuki of Pit-Road Co. in Japan. Fully illustrated instructions included. Price: $18 plus postage. 4. No. 700-26 1/700 USS Tarawa/Saipan set. Designed to fit Dragon/DML kit but can also be used with the Revell kit of the same ships. This large set fully equips either model with 3-D relief-etched details including pre-shaped railing, ladders, catwalk supports, pre-shaped flight deck nets, early and late ECM antenna support structures, SatCom antennas, radars, boat and aircraft crane details, mast details, forklift parts, anchors, safety cage ladders, island floodlights, rotors and other parts for 16 helicopters of three types (CH-53E, CH-46, and AH-1), and eight bicycles for dockside dioramas and hangar decks. Fully illustrated instructions included. Price: $18 plus postage. (Available June 1999.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Al Imler Subject: Model ship Collection sale Fellow SMMLers, I am selling 22 700th scale injection molded ships. Several have PE sets with them. Value is around $450.00. Asking price is $250.00. I'm not making any money-actually losing my a__! Most are IJN ranging from the Yamato (early issue w/PE) to some Destroyers. One of every IJN heavy cruiser class except the Takao class. The carrier Shokaku (Tamiya w/TMW PE set). Also the Hood and Prince of Wales, both with GMM PE sets. Also the Enterprise, New Jersey, Alabama, North Carolina, Matchbox Indianapolis and Tamiya Fletcher. I am mainly building WWI and WWII German Navy subjects, no time for the rest. For individual prices E-Mail me for more info. Interesting trades would be considered. I would like to sell them as a collection-but I know tastes vary. Regards, Al Imler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Unexpectedly out of town Hello All, Due to a very unexpected business trip (I am writing this from Taiwan) I have not been able to finish several of the decal sets. Please accept my sincere apologies for any inconveniences this causes. As soon as I arrive back home I will make it a priority to fill all current requests. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: May NavisMagazine Oops. I jumped the gun a little. I am informed that the May issue of NavisMagazine will be up on the 16th. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume