Subject: SMML13/05/99VOL544 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:01:33 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: H.M.S.Goucester. 2: Bismarck 3: Re: O'Bannon 4: Re: Edmund FItzgerald in HO scale? 5: Re: SS Edmund Fitzgerald 6: Glencoe Models 7: Re: USS Massachusetts 8: Re: BB-forgot number Massachusets 9: Re: Goodwin Lightvessel detail bits 10: Re: Edmund FItzgerald in HO scale? 11: Re: Massachusetts whereabouts. 12: Square Bridge Fletcher 13: USS Bagley 14: Re: USS Massachusetts 15: Re: Massachusetts BB59 16: Re: USS Massachusetts 17: Re: SMML across America 18: O'BANNON in Ms.12 (mod) 19: USS O'Bannon camouflage 20: Camouflage during the Solomon Campaign 21: Info on Classic Models Baltimore Class Cruiser? 22: Re: Edmund Fitzgerald 23: Re: IJN colors/Dan Kaplan 24: Re Aurora & Potemkin 25: Response to Requests 26: Revell Lionfish with Nautilus set 27: Re: Edmund FItzgerald in HO scale? 28: Re: SMML across America - Newport & Vicinity -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: resin casting 2: USS Salem 50th Anniversary Commissioning 3: Ship kits for trade -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: J.L.Pickstock@lboro.ac.uk (Les Pickstock) Subject: Re: H.M.S.Goucester. Douglas Martin wrote >> A thousand curses........did any UK bods see the BBC 2 program? You guessed it, I missed it..... Any reports? << The half-hour documentry concentrated on the the efforts of an ex-policeman's (son of a Gloucester casualty) efforts to discover the "truth" behind the sinking of the cruiser. The conclusions seem to be that Admiral King in command of the ships involved in the action (prevention of enemy seaborne action against Crete), was at fault in dispatching Gloucester and two Destroyers to search for survivors in the knowledge that the cruiser was low on high-angle ammunition. The second cause for concern was that apparently no effort was made to rescue survivors of the sinking, who eventually were rescued by German controlled fishing boats and went "into the bag". The really startling evidence was extracts of signals exchanged by Admirals Pound and Cunningham to the effect that King was regarded as a good "office wallah" and should be removed to a shore position ASAP. Play was made of the Royal Navy's refusal to take part in the discussion but this seems to be a standing position regarding investigations of this sort (witness the documentry about the GLORIUS). The programme highlighted a tragic event in a war full of tradgedy and in my opinion re-affirms the debt we, today, owe the participents. However it concerns me that there seems to be a growing trend to "shift the blame" for wartime deaths away from the real authors of the tradgedy. Les Pickstock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: KDur597268@aol.com Subject: Bismarck Hi Folks - I feel guilty coming and asking for info, when I haven't been following very closely lately - sort of selfish, I know, BUT! I hope to be around a bit more to sit at your feet and learn. As someone who mostly models "threats," I've chosen the 1/350 Bismarck to be my first big ship project, so here are a few my questions to start. They're pretty basic, so if there's a FAQ or something, let me know. They all have to do with the Academy Bismarck: 1) Are there any substantial differences from the Tamiya? 2) Are there English instructions available? (Would Tamiya work?) 3) What's the best modeling reference on her? 4) Detail sets: I know about GMM, anything else? Thanks as always Ken Durling -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: O'Bannon When completed in 42, O'Bannon could not have been in Ms31/6d. These patterns weren't even developed til mid-43. I think we would be pretty safe in saying O'Bannon had the same colors and Fletcher when completed. And probably kept the colors and paint measure til she got a major refit or a lot of time in port. While she was in the South Pacific, if she painted, she used whatever supplies of paint embarked. The logistics situation in the South Pacific through the Guadalcanal campaign was chaotic to the the least. Even paint was hard to obtain. Eugene Cammeron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Philip Downing Subject: Re: Edmund FItzgerald in HO scale? >> Ok, who told me about the HO scale Fitzgerald? Has anybody actually seen it or is this a rumored release? My local Walthers guy hasn't heard anything about it. He is quite a Great Lakes Buff. His layout has a large waterfront area in it and he would be quite interested in the kit. We went through his 98-99 catalog for over an hour this morning and couldn't find it. I spent two hours on the Walthers web site last night and couldn't find any mention of it either. Their search engine leaves something to be desired, if you don't know how they abbreviate things your search results often come up blank.. By my mental gymnastics an HO scale Fitz would be around 7 or 7.5 feet long (just over 2 metres for you metric folks) that seems quite large. How would one go about injection molding a hull that big? Most of the large scale hulls I've seen are fiberglass like 1:1 vessels. << Gosh, I found it in Walthers site in one minute. Just search for "Edmund Fitzgerald" and check HO scale. http://www.walthers.com:80/exec/productinfo?part_no=627-503 Walthers Part # 627-503 Boat - SS Edmund Fitzgerald -- Full Hull 8-1/2' Long (729 HO Scale Feet) H scale, Retails for $649.99 This item can be found on page 684 of the Walthers 1999 HO Reference Book and can also be found on page 674 of the Walthers 1998 HO Reference Book This item is not currently in stock at Walthers, Expected: 30-Jun-1999 Company is Resin Unlimited, so one might assume... There is also a picture. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Jon Parshall Subject: Re: SS Edmund Fitzgerald >> Rereading the lyrics 'bout "the main hatchway caving in" brings to mind a recent article in the Science section of the New York Times (3/16/99) on new tools yielding clues on disasters at sea. In a fairly long and detailed article, comes details on research (what I would term "nautical forsensics) into a string of lost vessels over the last two decades. The article covers a lot of ground but what I focused on was the astounding (to me) statistic citing losses of a particular type of ship, very large bulk carrriers. Apparently, per the chart accompanying the article, 177 bulk carriers have been lost since 1980, along the loss of 1465 lives. Think of it, 177 vessels, each nearly the size of an aircraft carrier, have been lost in the last 18 years. I find it staggering. The primary example cited was the loss of the Derbyshire, British flagged, in Sept. 1980. Attention has been focused on design surrounding the main hatches. Interestingly, William H. Garzke, Jr. is quoted in the article, citing success with British research into the design flaws of this class. << FYI, for anyone who is interested, I am complete *freak* about bulk carrier shipping losses, and have been compiling a database out of old Lloyd's Casualty Returns from 1980 on (the year of Derbyshire's loss). It is indeed incredible that ships of this size (though most are admittedly not nearly as large as Derbyshire's 89,000+ GRT) go down as frequently as they do. Factoid: *All* of Edmund Fitzgerald's 26,000+ tons of taconite pellets would have fit into any *one* of Derbyshire's nine cargo holds. She was carrying 157,000+ tons of iron ore in seven holds when she went down in Typhoon Orchid. This was a flippin' *big* ship. For anyone interested in a size comparison between her and the Fitzgerald, feel free to check out some of my illustrations on an unlinked page on my Web site at: http://www.skypoint.com/members/jbp/derbyshire/ In particular: http://www.skypoint.com/members/jbp/derbyshire/SizeComparisonSmall.gif I also have a complete copy of the 1997 UK/EC Surveyors report on the UK mission (which was staffed and largely run by the Wood's Hole Institute) to the wreck site if anyone wants more specific information on her loss. It is kind of sad that it took the loss of a 44-person, largely white, Anglo crew to begin bringing some light to a problem that affects mostly third-world sailors and seamen--many of these vessels have serious structural and maintenance issues, and they are not at all safe. When they sink, they often go under very quickly (Derbyshire probably sank in less than four minutes), making it very difficult to survive and/or get out an SOS. Hopefully, the introduction of some of the newer maritime safety standards regarding construction details will begin to have an impact, but on the older ships they are mostly too far gone and in too bad a shape to be worth making safe, meaning that many other disadvantaged mariners are likely to die before the world fleet is made safer. Also, if anyone wants to see the NYT article Dan referred to, it's at: http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/031699sci-shipwreck-freighter.html >> Rereading the lyrics 'bout "the main hatchway caving in" << Which, by the way is very likely *not* the reason Fitzgerald sank, but Gordon probably didn't know that. Nor was she, as the song asserts, bound for Cleveland. Cleveland was her home port, I believe, but she was heading for Toledo as I recall. Cheers, jon parshall Imperial Japanese Navy Homepage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "scola" Subject: Glencoe Models Here's another model company complaint. I've been trying for the last month to get Glencoe to replace the aft deck on my USS Oregon that is so badly warped that it is impossible to straighten out. (yes I tried the warm water trick) I have faxed them twice with my request and have not heard one word from them. My second fax included my home and office numbers and I asked them to please verify that they received my fax. I tried calling them several times and all I get is a recording. As far as I'm concerned this model is poorly manufactured to begin with and really is a price of junk. I'd toss it in the garbage except I have a lot of time invested in it and would like to finish it. Anyone have any comments or ideas on how to deal with a company who doesn't care about their customers? Rich -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: USS Massachusetts EJ Foeth wrote: >> If I'm not mistaken, the Massachusets is in drydock at the moment. I'd like to visit the ship in July, but is she 'back on display" at that time? << The MASSACHUSETTS has been back in Fall River for over a month now. The USS LIONFISH sub is now in the drydock for hull repairs. I don't know when she is due back, but probably before July. The USS JOSEPH P. KENNEDY Jr. may be next in the drydock if there is any money left. If you are in the Boston area, be sure to stop by the USS Salem. Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS SALEM Quincy, Massachusetts http://www.uss-salem.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Bill Schnakenberg Subject: Re: BB-forgot number Massachusets >> If I'm not mistaken, the Massachusets is in drydock at the moment. I'd like to visit the ship in July, but is she 'back on display" at that time? << The Massachusetts (BB-59) was taken out of drydock on March 5th and should be back at Battleship Cove now. Bill - PSP Terrorist - D'Lanok de Caresk chapter - Anti-Troll Unit 235 Serial Numbers-R-Us! The USS Salem, CA-139. The World's only preserved Heavy Cruiser, Quincy, MASS. http://members.xoom.com/ltwes329/salem.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "John S. Platt" Subject: Re: Goodwin Lightvessel detail bits Hi All I would like to add my strong support for a set of etchings to go with the Revell Goodwin Sands lightship. (To be accurate it is a lightvessel because it does not have an engine) I can guarantee to buy 60 sets of the etchings. As lightvessels are my favourite subject I bought the last 61 kits from Revell, I must be mad. Now then Smmlies, some help please. I would like to make a list of all the model lightship/vessel model kits that ever been made. If you know of a kit in your part of the world could I please have the manufacturers name, kit title and whether it still available or not. I expect Shane would like this to go off-list, so I would appreciate it if you would contact me off-list. Thank you very much in advance and when the list if complete I will put it on the list. John S. Platt Brasted, Kent UK very dark but dry. Hi John, Look forward to seeing the completed list, when it's compiled. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Bruce Burden" Subject: Re: Edmund FItzgerald in HO scale? >> Has anybody actually seen it or is this a rumored release? << It as supposed to be released around April/May, but then again, it was supposed to be released last year... >> He is quite a Great Lakes Buff. His layout has a large waterfront area in it and he would be quite interested in the kit. << I believe the loading dock was designed to work with the kit of the 'Fitz. >> (just over 2 metres for you metric folks) that seems quite large. How would one go about injection molding a hull that big? << It is actually a sectional resin kit. The sections are bow, stern, center, and two transitional sections that go between the bow/center and center/stern. Price was projected to be in the $600.00 range. The search engine found it for me. Info: Resin Unlimited, Manufacturer #627, item #503, $649.99, Boat -- SS Edmund Fitzgerald Full Hull 8-1/2' Long (729 HO Scale Feet) Expected 30-Jun-1999. My concern is that it is sectional - you will have to be extremely careful how you mount the model to a base, as 9' of wood can expand and contract quite a bit, probably enough to pull the seams apart if each section is attached to the base. If you don't attach each section to the base, you still have the alignment problem with the sections. The casting quality will greatly determine how that works... Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Fritz Koopman Subject: Re: Massachusetts whereabouts. EJ Foeth: Actually shes on display now. She left drydock almost two months ago. Got a good picture of the sunset taken from her deck while she was being towed back down to Fall River. Regards Fritz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: cwjerden Subject: Square Bridge Fletcher Chris, Tom's Modelworks makes the late war Fletcher conversion you are refering to. The one I saw looked Kind of basic (thru a plastic bag) but a great start if you are not a scratch builder. As I recall the kit and Tom's brass set for the same is about $35 bucks. A good price for what you get. You can also get one without the other should that suit your needs. Good luck. Charles J. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Robert Weilacher Subject: USS Bagley I am about to start the USS Bagley Destroyer by The Bureau of Small Warships. The box art shows a cammo scheme, but no color references and I've not been able to find any other pictures in the books I have. Can someone tell me how to paint it/what colors? I prefer 1944/1945 time period, but would appreciate any info from 1942-1945. Thanks, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Re: USS Massachusetts Massachusetts spent the winter in drydock in Bosoton, and is now back at her moorings in Fall River. She returned about a month and a half ago. My son's scout group will be doing our annual overnight on the BB-57 next month. I'm looking forward to see what has changed since last year.... Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Massachusetts BB59 Nope. She is out of drydock and back in Fall River. Last I heard they had placed Lionfish (SS 298) in the same drydock for long overdue work. As a submarine modeller, this cheered me up. The ships at Fall River sit in brackish water that raises real corrosion problems. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Cmaude0869@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Massachusetts To ej Foeth, Maasachusettes (Mamie) is out of dry dock and back on display in Fall River. Was just there 2 weeks ago and its a great exhibit. Russian boat destroyer Kennedy and PT boats are excellent. Enjoy!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML across America Time for another update! I am in Middlesboro, MA, toured the Naval War College Museum this morning - they have an exhibit on the developement of US Aircraft carriers going on through summer. The museum has some good exhibits on the history of torpedos in the US Navy, and some rare examples of early experiements, including a Fish torpedo - what a brass beauty! There is also a fine model of the early Battleship Rhode Island, built by a local modeler. From Newport it is a farily short drive to Fall River, MA, where a collection of warships has been preserved. Foremost would be the Massachusetts (BB-59), which looks very nice, having recently returned from drydock. She has a fresh coat of paint and really sparkels. A personal highlite for me, since I visited the museum before, was the ex-East German Covette Hiddensee, which is on display there, tied up next to the Joseph P Kennedy (DD-850). Access is reasonably good - you can tour her deck, go inside the pilot house, see her radar room, and view her crew's quarters. The massive anti-ship missile tubes are open for inspection, and they have set up a loading crane on the starboard side illustrate that evolution. The Lionfish is temporarily absent, having some work done, but I was told she is due back within the week. Since I had some time on my hands, I drove out to Cape Cod, to see a bookstore (and take in the splendid scenery). The Columbia Trading Company is located in Hyannis, just off route 6, and was well worth the detour. The shop specializes in used nautical and naval books, and they have a tremendous selection. They also stock nautical items, both antiques and souvineer, including finished models. I spent a solid hour going through the store, and found some nice items. A bonus is that the father and son that own the business are very knowledgeable and friendly. Oh, on the way out to the Cape, tugboat enthusiasts will want to stop at Grandma's (just before the Canal bridge) and see the New York Central Tug landlocked and on display in excellent shape, complete with rope fenders. Kurt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: John Snyder Subject: O'BANNON in Ms.12 (mod) Robert: As I mentioned, I have a photo of O'BANNON at anchor wearing Ms.12 (mod), published in _Action Tonight_. No doubt in MY mind that she wore it. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: USS O'Bannon camouflage O'Bannon definitely wore Measure 12 modified in late 1942, though I cannot state definitively when she lost her dapple camouflage. I have two or three photos showing her in Measure 12 modified. They are all port side views, so I have no idea what the starboard pattern was. If someone would like the photos, feel free to contact me off list and I'll scan them for you. Sincerely, Robert Morgan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Camouflage during the Solomon Campaign >> To reiterate; Of the US ships that took part in the Solomon Campaign, what camouflage schemes did they carry during said campaign? << I'll get the bal rolling. Aaron Ward also carried Measure 12 modified. I've got a photo of her, too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "glenn merrill" Subject: Info on Classic Models Baltimore Class Cruiser? Subscribed about a week ago and have been wading through all the posts on the Warships site. You folks appear to be a real treasure trove. Am impressed by what I've read so far. I read on the Warships site that Classic Models is working on a kit of a 1:350 (?) Baltimore Class Cruiser. Anyone know anything further on that (release date, etc.)? My father was stationed on the USS Columbus (Baltimore Class Heavy Cruiser) during her shakedown cruise and initial Pacific tour. I would love to convert this kit into the Columbus and give it to him. Time is running short as he is in his 70's. Would it be difficult to build this kit (once it comes out) as the Columbus? Any references on the Columbus that would help in a conversion? Also have never built in a large-scale like this. From what I've read so far it seems to be an imposing task. True? Are there any models of Baltimore Class Cruisers in other scales? Any PE kits that would help? Thanks in advance. Glenn "If it doesn't work, get a bigger hammer." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Thomas Richardson Subject: Re: Edmund Fitzgerald I believe that the 'Edmund Fitzgerald' kit is offered by Walthers. In retrospect, I believe it is referred to as a "Lake Freighter". I am uncertain as to whether it is HO Scale or not. I will have to look in on my dealer and ask him about it. Rev Thomas Richardson "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherin thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." Romans 2:1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: IJN colors/Dan Kaplan Dan; Thanks for Tamiya colors for IJN. What about the greenish shade for IJN carriers? How about Tamiya reccomendations for the following- WWII-UK, Fr., Soviet, Ger, Italian and Dutch WWI-UK, Ger., Fr., A/H, It., Russ., and Japanese. Thanks Chuck Duggie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Les Brown Subject: Re Aurora & Potemkin I too have the reissued versions of these kits awaiting construction - together with a lot of others! Both ships were described very well in Military Modelling magazine. November 1971 issue described the Aurora, including many photographs and a 1:400 scale drawing. The article states that the kit represents the vessel as a museum ship and not in her earlier operational state. Drawings and text help the modeller to change these aspects. May & June 1973 issues cover the full size Potemkin, once again including a 1:400 scale drawing and many photographs. There are only a few notes on the Heller kit but it appears that this kit is not as good as the Aurora one. If anybody would like copies of these articles, please contact me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Peter Hall" Subject: Response to Requests Hi Rusty and Jim, Thank you both for your enthusiastic response, first from Jim with regard to the Photo Etch and for drawing my attention to the Revell Tug. I do not know how available this kit still is or whether it would hold enough interest to warrant a seperate PE tool up. When you do come to build your Shell tanker, please be careful with the railings. Being so fine and of large scale they are not as forgiving as maybe 1/350 scale railings would be if you were to make a mistake. I have already informed Felix Bustelo of IMM to get his members attention as well. I will be looking into the other subjects you suggested. Rusty, YES. A CF Adams in 1/350. The thought was already there and all it neaded was a prod. I will put it on my list for next years releases. Keep the ideas coming in, I will take note and If there is enough demand I will try to provide a limited issue of each item suggested. All the best and I hope things soon get straightened out for you over there, Rusty. Peter Hall. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: LYRAD108@aol.com Subject: Revell Lionfish with Nautilus set Hello, This is my first post to SMML, I'm sure I'm not screwing anything up. I plan on doing the 1:178 Lionfish as my first serious sub modeling project. I plan on buying the Nautilus upgrade set (even if it costs almost twice as much as the model, sigh). I'd really like to know if it's worth that price. I plan on displaying it at the SubRegatta as a "generic Gato-class Submarine." I have heard the kit doesn't have the torpedo tube shutters. Would somebody please tell me what a torpedo tube shutter really is? I've pretty much lost my grasp on submarine terminology. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Robert Vancel Subject: Re: Edmund FItzgerald in HO scale? >> Ok, who told me about the HO scale Fitzgerald? Has anybody actually seen it or is this a rumored release? My local Walthers guy hasn't heard anything about it. He is quite a Great Lakes Buff. His layout has a large waterfront area in it and he would be quite interested in the kit. We went through his 98-99 catalog for over an hour this morning and couldn't find it. I spent two hours on the Walthers web site last night and couldn't find any mention of it either. Their search engine leaves something to be desired, if you don't know how they abbreviate things your search results often come up blank.. By my mental gymnastics an HO scale Fitz would be around 7 or 7.5 feet long (just over 2 metres for you metric folks) that seems quite large. How would one go about injection molding a hull that big? Most of the large scale hulls I've seen are fiberglass like 1:1 vessels. If anybody has a product number or other info I'm rather intrigued. Large scales are very interesting to me. << I believe the Walthers Catalog has a 'Lake Freighter' kit available, it is pretty much a bow and a stern. There are also some 'sections' so the modeler can build one as long (lengthwise) as they wish. IIRC (ick! I used one!) Its part of their 'Waterfront' series of kits. Robert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Re: SMML across America - Newport & Vicinity Kurt I know that by the time that this gets posted on SMML you will have left Newport, but I thought that I'd mention a few more places of interest. I hope that you got a chance to get into the Naval War College museum. Its a small place which documents the history of the War College, the Naval Torpedo Station and some aspects of US naval history. A few years back there was an excellent program on the naval battles of Leyte, especially the courage and sacrifice of Taffy-3. Newport, is of course a sailing town. There are still a lot of yachties there, but not as many as when the Americas Cup was defended from the port. In downtown Newport there used to be the Armchair Sailor - an excellent bookstore which had a few nice sections on ship modeling and history, as well as technical sailing. Farther up the road, between Newport and Portsmouth is Melville. This was the training facilities for the PT Boats. Not much is left there which hasn't been overtaken by the yachties. The PT Boats have retreated farther up the bay to Battleship Cove in Fall River. I'm sure that Battleship Cove is on your itinerary. Even if the Massachusetts isn't there, the Joe Kennedy, Lionfish, and PT Boats are. Fall River is also the home of Lizzie Borden, known in song and story as ... 'Lizzie Borden took an axe and gave her father 40 whacks. When she saw what she had done, she gave her mother 41'. From Fall River to Boston is only about an hour drive up I-95. Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Rob Potts" Subject: resin casting Hi, We at Hard Hero Enterprises are looking for experienced and professional resin castors in the Dallas area. Can you help us, maybe a referral? Thanks, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: USS Salem 50th Anniversary Commissioning USS Salem's 50th Anniversary Commissioning This Friday, May 14, 1999 is the 50th anniversary of the USS Salem's commissioning into the US Navy. From 12:00 until 17:00 the USS Salem Association will have over 600 former crew and officers on board. The ceremonies will include a reenactment of the original commissioning 50 years ago. The event is open to the public with a special one day admission charge of 50 cents. One of the major highlights of the day will be the dedication of the USS Salem Memorial Room, which contains artifacts from the former crew, many of which were left behind when the crew departed her for the last time in 1959. Starting this weekend the USS Salem is on Summer hours, open 7 days a week from 10:00 AM to 16:00 (last tour). Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) Quincy, Massachusetts http://www.uss-salem.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Ship kits for trade Ships for trade: I have the following kits for trade: 1/350 Accurate Image USS Roper APD-1 1/350 Accurate Image USS Lloyd APD-63 1/700 Accurate Image USS Salem CA-139 1/350 Iron Shipwright PC-461 1/700 Aoshima IJN Katsuragi CV 1/700 Tamiya IJN Musashi w/ Eduard brass set 1/700 Aoshima IJN Kashima CL 1/700 Fujimi IJN Sakura DD 1/700 Fujimi IJN Matsu DD Am looking for 1/700 USN kits in resin. Am doing a large (12'x12') 1/700 diorama of Pearl Harbor circa 1943-44 for a museum, already have most of the injection stuff I need. I'm looking for Liberty ships, tankers, destroyers, cruisers, etc. in mid to late war fits. Thanks. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume