Subject: SMML14/05/99VOL545 Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:42:57 +1000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Camouflage during the Solomon Campaign 2: Re: Bismarck 3: HMS Zulu and HMS Ark Royal 4: O'Bannon camouflage 5: HR Products and Lionfish 6: warped deck and resin parts 7: Re: USS O'BANNON 8: USS South Dakota 9: BB63 Missouri paint scheme 10: Re: PH pano 11: Admiral Scheer questions 12: Re: more requests 13: Wot's wrong with this Fletcher? 14: Re: Surgeon's thread 15: Re: IJN Greens 16: Re: 1/700 resin kits 17: HMS Tynedale 18: Pearl Harbor pics/book 19: Re: Lionfish & Nautilus Models 20: Re: SMML Across America 21: TBD Devastator Salvage 22: Re: Bismarck 23: Resin CA 24: Re: IJN Colors Pt.2 25: Dragon Ark Royal 26: Re: Academy Bismarck 27: Re-Lightship Photo Etch 28: Re: Baltimore Class Cruiser 29: Matchbox Ariadne query -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Fw: Worth Reading -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Vimieraa@aol.com Subject: Camouflage during the Solomon Campaign Mr Morgan States that the O Bannon wore Measure 12 modified in late 1942. It is no good making this kind of statement without giving proper references, ie - is it a photo, if so then in what publication did it appear, was it dated? If the photo is simply dated as 1942 or even late 1942, then this is really not valid. Is the photo held by the person a print from the US Archives, or is it a privately taken view? These are questions that have to be asked and answered. The above points also apply to the Aaron Ward statement. ITS CALLED GOOD RESEARCH DO IT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "foeth" Subject: Re: Bismarck 1) Are there any substantial differences from the Tamiya? No, the Academy is a cheap copy of the Tamiya model. I therefore do not buy the Academy version. 2) Are there English instructions available? (Would Tamiya work?) Tamiya instructions would be fine. It's a simple model anyway, so you don't *really* need them. 3) What's the best modeling reference on her? I am. But for books: Elfrath&Herzogs Bismarck book, S Breyers "Technikgeschichtliche Dokumentation" (Out of print, of course), plus Drawings by H Gally (over $100, but the best availabe). All orderable at Christian Schmidt (Address on the warshippage, under links) 4) Detail sets: I know about GMM, anything else? Not as far as I know. The GMM set is very good, except from some minor details, but considering the quality of the kit itself, you can't go wrong on the set. You'll get a lot of beautifull parts. Just buy it. It enhances the kit beyond the throw-the-kit-away status. EJ Foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: William Swan Subject: HMS Zulu and HMS Ark Royal I have just dug out this bit of vintage plastic from Revell in 1/720. Can anyone give me some color tips and what to paint these two dinosaurs as depicted. I’m having a little trouble visualizing the directions instructions to paint the decks light khaki, etc. Thanks, all. William Swan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: O'Bannon camouflage Mea culpa! I have evidently been guilty of the error of failing to think before committing myself to 'print'. A further look (in better light) at the photo on p55 of the FD Fletcher planbook reveals the suffix -44 after the photograph number in top left of the print label. It seems probable that this number is the year (the adjacent print has -45 and the book caption says it is in 1945). Unfortunately most of the label has been cropped away so I relied on the book's caption which claimed the ship to be O'Bannon in 1942. Had I paid attention, I would also have spotted the rather obvious twin 40mm mount forwards of the bridge on the port side, so this is clearly a photo taken during the first of the AA refits. The book caption also claims it to be at Bath Iron Works, although the style of the label is more like that of Mare Island in California, so I suspect that the location is wrong as well. I wonder if it really is the O'Bannon? Sorry if I confused anyone - I should have bothered to read my USN camouflage books as well.... Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: LYRAD108@aol.com Subject: HR Products and Lionfish Still doing research on the Lionfish and what fittings I should buy for it. I already plan on getting the Nautilus set, but I found some inexpensive stuff at: http://www.fullfeed.com/~hracct/ship_fittings/ship_fittings_192.html HR Products Ship Fittings that looked promising: S192-62 SS Escape Hatch $0.30 S192-50 SS Periscope Assy. $2.20 S192-51 SS Cleat $0.15 S192-52 SS Hatch $0.20 S192-53 SS Capstan $0.35 also, this fitting looks about the right size: S192-49 3 Blade Prop. 1/2" Dia. $0.55 But this scales out to about only eight feet. I'm no expert on this subject, but I know the props were a lot bigger than that. Venturing down to 1:96, I find this: S96-104 Three Blade Prop. 1.1" Dia. $0.85 This scales out to a more reasonable 16 feet. That still seems to big, as most of the illustrations I've seen make the props look small and flimsy. I'd really like to know how they could be 16 feet, considering the Titanic's central propeller was that big. I'm not really sure though, If the Gatos had three or five bladed props. I found these five-bladed props, which scale out to 14 feet: S192-19 5 Blade Prop. 7/8" Dia. $0.85 If anyone has opinions on this stuff, just let me know. I'd also like to know if there's other fittings that would look good on my Gato. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "brian lawrence fawcett" Subject: warped deck and resin parts Hi Guys, I noticed a couple of people having fun trying to sort out warped resin or plastic parts. Working with resin as much as I have to, I found that although hot water works to some extent a much more effective method is to use a hot air gun. These guns can be purchased from radio control aircraft shops, normally they are used for shrinking the heat sensitive covering film on modern radio models. The guns look very much like a hair dryer but are a lot hotter and not expensive. It would be wise to practice on scrap parts because these things put out a lot of heat. When sorting a warped resin hull I play the heat gently on the underside until the part becomes soft enough to bend easily then hold it in the correct position until it cools. Usually once is enough but you can repeat for stubborn parts. One word of caution, thin parts become soft a lot quicker than thick ones so be careful. Plastic parts react in a similar way to resin but if you put too much heat on them they will start to shrivel up, practice on spare parts until you are happy with the technique. Once mastered it can solve all sorts of problems. Good luck if you try it, Brian. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Timothy Dike" Subject: Re: USS O'BANNON >> All other photos of O'BANNON (and her sisters) in the book show her in Ms.21, and I tend to agree that she probably repainted at Pearl Harbor as she transitted to the South Pacific. << While I admit is is possible that she was repainted before arriving in the Pacific, I don't think they really would have had much time to do that. O'Bannon sailed from Boston to New Caledonia. Is it possible that she took the southern route bypassing Pearl? Her first mission was to escort the Copahee CVE-12 from Noumea to Guadalcanal. O'Bannon was desperately needed in the South Pacific and there may not have been time to repaint her. >> As for JUNEAU, ... she may have subsequently repainted to Ms.21 (ATLANTA, after all, had her entire hull in Navy Blue 5-N at the time of her loss), and that that portion of her war diary went down with her. << Nah we have far too many Ms. 21 ships in 42 as it is. BTW Glen Arnolds book "Atlanta Class Cruisers in WW2" has some great shots of her including a port side of that strange Ms.12 variation. mailto:Cadman@kc.net http://www.kc.net/~cadman/ "A still sea never wrought a skillful sailor" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Timothy Dike" Subject: USS South Dakota Does anyone know when the South Dakota was refitted with the three gun tubs up front on the bow. The art work on the Squadron Signal BB's in action shows her blasting away at Santa Cruz with these quad 40's already fitted but there is an overhead photo in "Navies of the world" by Anthony Preston that shows her alongside the Prometheus AR-3 (probably Vestal AR-4) at Noumea that is dated November 42 The photo shows her with two Mahan class DD's one of which is fitted with a temporary bow section. I presume the DD without the bow is the Mahan DD-364, that collided with the South Dakota Oct. 30th. This photo does NOT show the three quad 40's up front but rather a few 20mm's instead. There is also a photo on the NavSource Online: Battleship Photo Archive at: http://www.navsource.org/Archives/BB/BB-57_SouthDakota12.jpg that was supposed to be before the October battle of Santa Cruz I want to model BB57 as she appeared November 15th, were these new gun added while she was tied up to the repair ship or after her stateside refit? mailto:Cadman@kc.net http://www.kc.net/~cadman/ "A still sea never wrought a skillful sailor" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "FERNANDO, YOHAN" Subject: BB63 Missouri paint scheme Hello, I'm looking for clear photos or illustrations of the Missouri in measure 32/22D (dazzle scheme worn in 1944). I think 'Iowa Class Battleships' by Sumrall has an illustration, but I can't remember if it shows both sides (and the book is missing from the library!) Most photos I've come across are from oblique angles, which combined with the dazzle scheme, make it difficult to make out the true shape and placement of the different color patches. Any ideas where good broadside depictions of both sides can be found? Thanks. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Re: PH pano >> Am looking for 1/700 USN kits in resin. Am doing a large (12'x12') 1/700 diorama of Pearl Harbor circa 1943-44 for a museum, already have most of the injection stuff I need. I'm looking for Liberty ships, tankers, destroyers, cruisers, etc. in mid to late war fits. << Jeff This is still being tweaked, so I haven't told many about it yet, but if you have QuicktimeVR and know what it does, take a look at: http://www.PacificHistory.com/PANOFILE/pearl.html Burl Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 A historical interpretation company. Visit our web site at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: K-Marsh@webtv.net (Rich Hahn) Subject: Admiral Scheer questions Hello All! Perhaps someone can help me out here. I am building a Heller1/400 Admiral Scheer, and depicting her as she looked during her South Atlantic/Indian Ocean raiding cruise of late 1940/early 1941. Did she carry the aerial identification swastika, or yellow turret tops? Also, in a lot of pictures of the large German warships, the superstructure is a noticeably lighter gray than the hull. Was Scheer in this format at that time, or something different? I haven't seen many pictures of her at this period. Thanks a lot for any assistance. Rich Hahn Bensalem, PA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Fox, John" Subject: Re: more requests Peter, How about a Coontz and Newport LST in 1/700? John Fox -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Wot's wrong with this Fletcher? Hello I am planning to build my 1:700 O'bannon in the following late '42 configuration, and would like everyone to raise their objections now before I start gluing and painting. Color: Measure 11 Sea Blue. No walkways visible. Masthead Radar: Type SA Weapons Fit: 40mm Bofors replacing 1.1'" no other refitting. I am basing this appearance on a photo in Anthony Preston's book "Destroyers". Pages 162 & 163 show a starboard broadside of her with a heavily weathered coat of somewhat light, monotone paint. Its definately not measure 12 and looks too light to be a measure 21. The caption, for whatever its worth says "1942" and also claims the 1.1" is still present, although the photo just isn't clear enough to confirm. Thank you. Dave Krakow Kriegsmarine Fachmann bewildered by USN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Surgeon's thread A little while back someone said he had used Surgeon's thread to rig models and he said it was the best stuff in the business for rigging models. Does anyone know a web site where I can purchase this stuff? I would like to give it a try. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: IJN Greens >> Thanks for Tamiya colors for IJN. What about the greenish shade for IJN carriers? << You need the Snyder and Short color chip sheets for IJN Warships. They're not to expensive and worth the money. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/700 resin kits Jeff, Checkout The Bureau of Small Warships. All they make are destroyers. Pacific Front Hobbies carries them and some other on line hobby shops. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Herron, Chris H" Subject: HMS Tynedale Hi All, I am wondering if anyone out there can help. I'm proposing building up AIW's Hunt Class Destroyer kit as HMS Tynedale at the time of her sinking by U593. Does any one know what colour scheme she was painted in and are there any photographs available at all ? Secondly, I'd put my vote in for a PE set for the"South Goodwin Lightship " kit - I had been going to adapt N gauge railway stuff as appropriate but this would make things easier...! Thanks in advance, Chris Herron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Pearl Harbor pics/book Hi gang, Forgive my BAD memory, but I had a conversation awhile back with someone who had a book done by the National Park Service on Pearl Harbor, showing the dock facilities, historical buildings, etc... Would the mystery person come forward again, I can't remember who it was...I really need this info as the client now wants to see the layout for their diorama... Of course, if anyone else has diagrams of Pearl in 43-44, this would help too... Thanks. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Lionfish & Nautilus Models Hello, >> This is my first post to SMML, I'm sure I'm not screwing anything up. I plan on doing the 1:178 Lionfish as my first serious sub modeling project. I plan on buying the Nautilus upgrade set (even if it costs almost twice as much as the model, sigh). I'd really like to know if it's worth that price. I plan on displaying it at the SubRegatta as a "generic Gato-class Submarine." I have heard the kit doesn't have the torpedo tube shutters. Would somebody please tell me what a torpedo tube shutter really is? I've pretty much lost my grasp on submarine terminology. << Gee, did I really put a bug in you recently about the SubRegatta? I told my young friend here to build a sub model for the regatta-guess he took me seriously! The Nautilus Models upgrade is well worth the money, as the Revell kit provided conning tower and guns are, in the words of Futurama's robot, Bender, "Crap!" You get a decent set of guns to go along with the conning tower from Nautilus. You need to decide which of the three Gato conning towers you want to model: "as-built" Gato, mid war (USS Bluefish) or late war (USS Harder). The kit does not come with torpedo tube shutters. These are the metal outer fairings that streamline the torpedo opening into the hull. When the submarine is ready to fire, the outer torpedo tube door (muzzle) is opened, and the shutter moves inward on a hinge, out of the way of the exiting torpedo. When I model a Lionfish submarine, I usually fashion the outer doors out of thin styrene stock, after filling the torpedo "fillet" on the kit with several thin coats of putty. The 4 rear torpedo tubes on the kit have "bumps" that need to be sanded off. Don't know what they are supposed to be, but they don't belong there. The shutters all have distinctive shapes. Look at the drawings in Squadrons' US Subs in Action for the torpdeo shutters shapes. I'm finishing up the USS Blenny (SS-324) right now for WWII vet Frank Toon (quartermaster on Blenny) and will post the blow by blow on modifying the Lionfish kit on Warship's page shortly. Tom Dougherty Visit the SubCommittee at: http://www.wolfsong.com/SubCommittee/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML Across America Hello Everyone, Just a short update this time. I am just outside of Bath, Maine, hoping to visit the museum and maybe catch a glimpse of some of a new DDG's if I can find a vantage point that won't get me shot! On the way up, I stopped at Portsmouth, NH to see the Albacore, which is high and dry on display there. Very interseting to see this important sub out of the water, where you can see her cruciform control surfaces and counter rotating props. The massive sail mouted rudder was notable too. You can tour her interior too, which is very accessible. A note to other photographers - leave your photo backpack outside when touring modern submarines. Hey, that knee will heal soon! Kurt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: TBD Devastator Salvage The Norfolk "Soundings" - reports that the National Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola, Florida, is trying to salvage a TBD Devastator torpedo plane from a depth of 500 feet off Miami. The project is tied up by a lawsuit over the way funding was derived from selling surplus military aircraft parts. The Champlin Fighter Aces Museum in Mesa, Arizona, is also seeking salvage rights. I started building the old Monogram 1/48 TBD years ago and I recall my references as stating that no museum has a surviving Devastator. Mike L Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Steve Watson" Subject: Re: Bismarck >> I feel guilty coming and asking for info, when I haven't been following very closely lately - sort of selfish, I know, BUT! I hope to be around a bit more to sit at your feet and learn. As someone who mostly models "threats," I've chosen the 1/350 Bismarck to be my first big ship project, so here are a few my questions to start. They're pretty basic, so if there's a FAQ or something, let me know. They all have to do with the Academy Bismarck: << Thanks Ken for asking the questions I've been afraid to ask for weeks. I'm sitting here with the Minicraft Bismarck and GMM brass but totally confused. I'm hoping to do the striped camo scheme from spring 1941 for the challenge of the painting. Did the Bismarck really have the large swastika on the bow and stern? How do you portray those on the model? Were they removable or painted right on the deck? At that time did the front turret not have rangefinders? Is there a good reference on the rigging? Apologies to those of you who dread more Bismarck questions, but inquiring minds..... Steve the beginner Hi Steve, Please, don't ever be afraid to post questions. That's what the list is all about. But in the next couple of days, I hope to have another 50+ back issues up & these issues IIRC, do have some info on the Bismarck in them. Shane - who's about to munch into a freshly cooked ANZAC biscuit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Resin CA To the gentlemen looking for info. on a 1/350 Baltimore class CA; if you can't wait, know that Waveline puts out 2 Baltimores in 1/700. Speaking of Waveline, I always forget to ask this question. Would someone be kind enough to clarify for me the relationship(s), if any, between Waveline, P & I, Kobo-Hiryu, Highmold and Pitroad/Skywave? It gets so confusing, Waveline is in the Skywave catalog, they all use Skywave injected parts to an extent, quality varies from mfg. to mfg. Help. Many thanks, Dan Kaplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: IJN Colors Pt.2 To complete this request: For IJN Green, using the Snyder and Short reference chips as the base, there are two shades, Type 1 (dark) and Type 2 (medium). The Tamiya colors that best match up are: Type 1 - XF 11 (IJN Green) is close but on the dark side. A few drops of flat white per bottle brings it closer to the S & S chip. Type 2 - XF 5 (Flat Green) is also close but a tad lighter. A few drops of flat black also brings this closer to the S & S chip. There was a thread recently discussing IJN colors during the interwar years; maybe another "SMMLie" can reference for you. Same for WWI. Unfortunately, I will have to call upon our fellow "SMMLies" to reference other navies' colors to manufacturers' colors as I have focused strictly upon the IJN since returning to this hobby in the mid-eighties. To Shane: Matching manufacturers' colors to various navy colors would probably make for a good FAQ. Most of us would have to contribute though. Dan Kaplan, NYC Hi Dan, Sounds good, are you volounteering for the job of collating the info? ;->> Shane - who's about to munch into another freshly cooked ANZAC biscuit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Bjorn" Subject: Dragon Ark Royal Hello experts. There is some pictures of Dragons 1/700 Ark Royal at: http://www.dragon-models.com/S_D_newres.htm Can somebody tell me if the kit builds up like a Ark Royal or is it wrong? Bjorn Backlund, Sweden -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Les Brown Subject: Re: Academy Bismarck I have the Academy Bismarck with English instructions. These are primarily pictorial with very few words, apart from the colour scheme. If a copy is required, please let me know. As to references, there is a good article on the Tamiya kit in Plastic Ship Modeler - 1996/3. One of the other best sorces is the Warship Profile (published many years ago butsometimes still available second hand) which contains a double page colour drawing showing Bismarck in her early 1941 camouflage (I am not sure whether the colour of the turret tops is correct though). Larger scale R/C models have been covered in Marine Modelling, but these still contain useful information - in particular the May 1992 issue which includes various colour schemes. The March 1990 issue contains details of a false second funnel used for deception! Bismarck's sister Tirpitz has also been well covered in Marine Modelling (December 1985 and February 1989). There are also a set of very good as-built drawings, together with many photographs of both the real vessel and a model in the Conway publication 'Battleship Tirpitz' by Gerhard Koop & Klaus-Peter Schmolke (ISBN 0-85177-749-X). Hope this is useful! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Peter Hall" Subject: Re-Lightship Photo Etch Hi again, Jim and John, With reference to your request for a photo etched parts set for the Revell Lightship, I am sorry for not answering immediately, but, last year when I originally suggested doing this subject I was told that Flightpath model accessories were in the process of doing the same. I held off doing anything further to give them a chance to produce something, but six months later, nothing is even hinting that it may show itself. So, Yes I will go ahead fairly soon and design a general fitting fret for the Revell kit, and I will also try to produce an alternative set of 'Name' decals for those of you who do not want the South Goodwin. This will be cost permitting of course, as the letters are large. Could anyone out there provide me with a list of popular names of lightvessels around the coast of the UK? and also a list of what you would like to see in the brass fittings set. You will be able to place your orders for these through White Ensign Models. Thanks again for your input. Peter Hall. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Chris Neel Subject: Re: Baltimore Class Cruiser Waveline makes a 1/700 Baltimore Class Cruiser - Its a resin hull and superstructure with injection molded accessories with an option of white metal secondary armament (main guns are white metal only with resin turrets). Kits are available from Pacific Front for $75.00 + shipping (I would think that would be a little cheaper than a 1/350 resin kit - Its just that I'm more into the 1/700 waterline scale thing). I haven't assembled the kit yet but appears relatively easy to build. Clean up of some flashing on the superstructure resin pieces appears to be the only minor defect. The main thing keeping me from starting this model is my reluctance to tackle the dazzle paint scheme until I've mastered some basic painting skills (airbrushing and correct color matching - I really wish Testors would release a series of already matched paints for US Navy WWII colors so we could do away with mixing paints). The USS Columbus carried a single aircraft crane aft as opposed to the twin cranes distinctive of the first few ships of the Baltimore class. Waveline also has a USS Pittsburgh in 1/700 which has the single crane. It would probably be better to obtain this kit as the single crane vs. the twin cranes affected the number and location of the rear 40mm gun tubs. Although I'm not all that sure of its current availability. No specific Baltimore class 1/700 PE sets exist that I'm aware of, but there are several different 1/700 USN heavy cruiser PE sets available that would suit your needs. I don't know if these sets include the railings and ladders or not, so you may need to get those separately. Conway's All The Worlds Fighting Ships 1922 - 1946 has a photo of the Columbus in 1945 with a non-dazzle (Measure 21?) color scheme which would be easier to paint and finish. I'm sure that there are other references available to better help pick a color scheme. Hope that helps. cn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: Matchbox Ariadne query Greetings all, In addition to the Narvik and RN DDs I have previously mentioned working on I am also improving the Matchbox Ariadne. So far I have removed all the deck detail and splinter shields, while the bridge wings and searchlight/20mm platform have had their thickness vastly reduced (love the dremel - or reasonable facsimile thereof). Some questions have come up and any help would be most appreciated - Should the searchlight/20mm platform (part 22) be on top of an enclosed structure, or is it as provided on two 'walls'. If so, how thick should they be? - What is part 13? - What are parts 23/24 . ... Engine room intake? Carley float storage? - the stuff molded in the middle of part 15? Depth charges? It is gone in any case Now for some WEM rails and details ...can't wait until they arrive...:-) I would also like to thank everyone who answered my Vosper and Z-26 queries, both of those are also underway. Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "roger torgeson" Subject: Fw: Worth Reading >> Who know's if any of these things are true, but I thought I would give one of them a try...... >>> Check it out, it might be worth the time. later. >>> Netscape and AOL have recently merged to form the largest internet company in the world. In an effort to remain at pace with this giant, Microsoft has introduced a new email tracking system as a way to keep Internet Explorer as the most popular browser on the market. This email is a beta test of the new software and Microsoft has generously offered to compensate those who participate in the testing process. For each person you send this email to, you will be given $5. For every person they give it to, you will be given an additional $3. For every person they send it to you will receive $1. Microsoft will tally all the emails produced under your name over a two week period and then email you with more instructions. This beta test is only for Microsoft Windows users because the email tracking device that contacts Microsoft is embedded into the code of Windows 95 and 98. I know you guys hate forwards. But I started this a month ago because I was very short on cash. A week ago I got an email from Microsoft asking me for my address. I gave it to them and yesterday I got a check the mail for $800. It really works. I wanted you to get a piece of the action. You won't regret it. James. >>> > >------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- <<<< Hi Roger, I think you'll find that this is one big scam. If I thought there was any validity to this & I was a wee bit amoral, I'd set up an annonymous hotmail account & send it out to the SMML list via that & get myself a heap of cash ;->>. That plus the fact it there was any truth to this, the media would have had a field day on it by now. As it is, I put it in tonight, as a nice little "humourous" post, because I ROTFLMAOIABOP when I read it, sorry. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume