Subject: SMML01/06/99VOL563 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:06:31 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Japanese Auxillaries 2: Pearl Harbor PANO & P.H.D 3: Japanese books on the Kriegsmarine 4: Wings over cockpits, and article things 5: 1.10 Yamato 6: Re: pic 7: Re: Bureau of small warships kits 8: new ships 9: BIKINI but not CC 10: Black Watch and Flakship Thesis 11: Need Help: 1/700 Classic Warships USS Portland 12: BSW & WEM CC 13: USS Halsey decals 14: Nelson paint schemes 15: Oribi and Onslow 16: Dating the Pearl Harbor Pano 17: The WEM C.C. etch-photo 18: Dahlgrens 19: IJN Linoleum 20: Re: HMS Vanguard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Japanese Auxillaries Arjun Japanese Warships of World War II by A J Watts contains a comprehensive list of auxillary vessels. It also includes a list of requisitioned merchant vessels of which a stunning amount were lost and details of all seized vessels. For an account of Japanese requistion policies and the effects they had you could also try The Japanese Merchant Marine in World War II by Mark Parillo. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Pearl Harbor PANO & P.H.D Ok, The secret's out, the Pearl Harbor Dio (P.H.D.) Project will be using the Pearl Harbor pano file supplied by Burl Burlingame of Pacific Monograph as a primary reference. I have already begun mapping the harbor to determine what is where. For those of you who have looked at the file, you realize the LARGE number of ships in harbor at the time. I've been in contact with the National Park Service at Pearl, as well as an air museum in CA that is modeling Pearl in 1941 (in 1/700 as well). They're being very gracious. If any SMML members are EAST COAST US, NY/NJ/PA/VA/CT area, and want to get directly involved in this project, either building a ship or helping with the ground work, drop me an e-mail. If any other SMMLies anywhere else want to contribute, let me know. Maybe this can be our first SMML project? (Sorry Greg, YAMATO was NEVER in Pearl Harbor);-p This was supposed to be a commission job, but I've been informed the funding is just not there, I've taken it this far, so I'm continuing on with the project solo. Thanks to everyone who has already helped out by bartering kits. Specific needs include auxiliary vessels of all types, C2, C3, T2, T3, Liberty, Victory, AKA, APA, LST, LCM etc. etc...Essex Class CVs, basically, look at the pano file and figure how big it's going to be in 1/700. As always, I'll barter whatever kits, ship, aircraft, armor, whatever, to get the necessary stuff to fill this up. Any takers? I am hoping to have this dio finished by this time next year, provided Y2K doesn't shut down the planet... Best regards, Jeff Herne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Japanese books on the Kriegsmarine I was looking through the pages at the back of the Japanese magazine 'Ground Power' today and it appears that Delta, the publisher, also produces a series of four books called German Surface Vessels of WW2 (1-4). Do any SMMLies have experience of them? I have several issues of the Ground Power versions and the photo content is generally good, and represents decent value for the price. Unfortunately (for those of us too dim to learn the language) the text and captions are all in Japanese but if the format of the Naval books is similar, it occurs to me that they might be worth having. However, the cost is not small, so I would welcome any comments from anyone who has already got or seen them. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "foeth" Subject: Wings over cockpits, and article things If there is a wing over the cockpit, I'd say it's either for rolling stability or keeping the end *out* of the water. A planing ship can attain these high speeds by getting an ernoumous pressure buildup beneath the hull, forcing the ship out of the water. A normal displacement ship relies on Archimedes to keep floating, a planing ship also has dynamic lift (With a hydrofoil as an extreme example). A foil pushing it back in should give extra resistance. Also, by pushing it in, I can image it will start a violent oscilating motion which these craft already posses (They do these nice over-the-top salto's killing the crew at high speeds, very spectacular!). I'm not exactly sure (And could be plain wrong here) Adding a foil should add aerodynamic lift too. A car uses a foils to keep the wheels on the road (Not that that silly spoiler on your trunk does anything at all, unless you drive Formula one racecar), for extra traction. A ship does not need traction. These craft do no longer have the 39 degree bowwave angle. If I ever am going to finish the article (But I promised a 6 month postponed due to out of country studying) I'll make some drawings explaning that angle thing, and why it's different for fast planing ships (When ship ship devided by square root of (g times ship length) is larger than 0.4 (This is the Froude number, Fn=V/sqrt(gL) ) (all SI units!) The 35 ft sailboat at 7 knots has a Froude number of Fn=0.35, this is very close on hull (hump) speed, and my guess is it is still a full displacement ship at that condition). I'd agree it's probably more a matter of, shall we say, style. I can't imagine that a foil at such low speeds without a nice uniform flow over the wing (Lots of sails in the way) does anything usefull. But should it add even a little lift, the hull will come out of the water, thus the wetted area decreases, and so will viscous resistance (The main factor in the total resistance makeup) Oh, about that I'll-finish-it-before-the-millenium-is-over article, it will also feature some basic wave pattern things, which can be nicely used with the excellent articles by Rusty White on making waves for diorama's. Still, looking at pictures remains the best thing. I already had one chapter on viscous resistance, but I, err, deleted it. I also have a small introductory article finished on the gravity/buoyancy/metacentre, and I have pics for the next ones, but err, no text! Ej Foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: 1.10 Yamato As most of the members are aware,in the pages of the excellent "Nihon Kaigun", there is a reference about a 1:10 model of the battleship Yamato which, allegedly is being built in Japan.I tried to contact Mr.William Lise several times without any success. Anyone knows anything about this project. Thanks N.Rubim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: pic >> One has to be fully aware of all these attendent problems when one asks a lady in Caroline's position to adopt a new pose. It's not just simply a case of donning the apparal and 'going for a take'. << I am chastized, downtrodden, crestfallen, and in awe.......................... But I still vote YEA. Cheers, Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Bill Gruner Subject: Re: Bureau of small warships kits Just had a thought...maybe one of the resin manufacturers out there should contact Mark Pace to see if he would be willing to sell his patterns & molds. Seems like a shame to see them just disappear. I'm sure myself or other SMML contributor could help interested parties get ahold of Mark. Thanks, Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "graham peter walker" Subject: new ships You must go and see these pics of the new ships coming out IJN Carriers, Battleships, RN Ark Royal, really cool looking 1/35th triple 25mm AA gun..From home page click on to the red links only bummer its all in Japanese http://www2.wbs.ne.jp/~s-c/sc_04.html#h -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: IBea351423@aol.com Subject: BIKINI but not CC In the latest issue of Navy News here in the U.K. there is an item entitled "Dive at A-bomb island planned". This refers to a joint R.N. and R.M. expedition to Bikini Atoll in mid- July. The purpose of the expedition is to look at the biology of the area and assess residual radiation. The team will also dive on a number of the major wrecks. Apparently over 240 ships were assembled in the lagoon in 1946 for the test. A military media team is accompanying the exercise and there are plans for a documemtary as well as articles in general and specialist media. Ian Beattie in Liverpool U.K. where it is extremely cold for end of May. Must be that El Nino! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Ingebrethsen, Kyrre" Subject: Black Watch and Flakship Thesis Hi all. It's time to exploit the knowledge of my fellow SMML'ies again, this time it's all about the last attack made by FAA in Europe during WW2. The prelude to this question is the fact that I found the remnants of one of the Avengers that took part in the attack, and I am about to write a little story on the subject for the Norwegian IPMS chapter. What do I know? - The attack took place on the 4th of May 1945 in Kilbotn, near Harstad (and Narvik) in Northern Norway, and was done by planes from among others HMS Pursuer and Searcher. The planes were Avenger I's and Wildcat V's and VI's. They attacked the u-boat tender and hotel-ship BLACK WATCH, and ex-Norwegian ship, which in place was defended by the FLAK-ship THESIS. One Avenger and one Wildcat VI was shot down, the Wildcat seems to have exploded close to the surface while the Avenger made a fatal emergency landing in the mountains up from the bay of Kilbotn. What don't I know? - Black Watch. What did she look like at this time. Did she have any armament? Where can I find pictures of the ship? Does anyone know the full story. - Thesis. Was she a purpose built flak-ship, or was she originally a civillian ship? Story? Once again I trust I will get some very meaningful answers, or at least a hint of which direction to go... TIA, Kyrre Harstad, Norway, just after midnight, bright sunlight. Unfortunately just 5C though. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Scott Spencer" Subject: Need Help: 1/700 Classic Warships USS Portland I have lost my plans for this kit and I have to build it for a customer. If anyone has this kit, would you please photo copy the plans for me and send them to me? I have no idea where the plans are, but I will gladly pay for the postage. I need them ASAP!!! Many thanks, Scott -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Malcolm Batchelor" Subject: BSW & WEM CC I've been out of pocket the last few days and was sad to read about Bureau of Small Warships quitting business, but I understand and respect Marks decision, and hopefully, in the future, Mark will be back. As Dan said, "Well Done". As to the WEM CC project, I for one, have to vote yes (a redhead and she likes models!), but to prove that we are not all sexist pigs, how about a companion kit based on Rumbly. After all, how can you call a model (shipmodel, that is) complete unless you have a ships mascot? Regards, Stuart Batchelor Norman, Oklahoma -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Robert & Rose Brown Subject: USS Halsey decals Does anybody out there have a set of decals for the Monogram/Revell kit USS Halsey (1/540?) that they would be willing to part with for cash, or a scan that I could use to reproduce a set? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Joe Costanzo Subject: Nelson paint schemes I discovered a model of HMS Nelson in my closet, so I thought I'd begin a little project. Does anyone have info on the paint schemes she wore, specifically from after her refit (in which she recieved Bofors AA weps) until before moving to the pacific. Thanks in advance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Vimieraa@aol.com Subject: Oribi and Onslow May I thank those who replied to my enquiry. I have a further question; does anyone know what scheme the destroyer Offa carried during the first months of 1942 after the Mounbatten Pink had been dropped, that was applied upon completion in late 1941. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Dating the Pearl Harbor Pano Hi guys, Eyes are falling out again. I agree with Mike Smith from Texas on this one, here's what I've drummed up: Saratoga - arrived PH 01/07/44, left 01/19/44. Enterprise - arrived PH 12/10/43, left 01/19/44. Alabama - arrived PH 01/12/44, left 01/19/44. Yorktown II - arrived PH 01/09/43, left 01/16/44. Intrepid - arrived PH 01/10/43, left 01/16/44. Essex - arrived PH ???, left 01/16/44. Cowpens - arrived PH 01/09/43, left 01/16/44. Cabot - arrived PH 01/02/43, left 01/16/44. Langley - left Philadelphia 01/06/43, left PH 01/19/44 Princeton - left Bremerton 01/03/44, left PH 01/19/44. The following cruisers were in PH between December 6th & 9th, and left between the 13th & 22nd. I have all the specific dates, but in the interests of time and space... Boston New Orleans Wichita Indianapolis San Francisco San Diego Santa Fe Oakland It's also possible Denver was in and out around the same time, that'll take more research... The end-date is January 13th, because Santa Fe is tied up along the pier and she left on the 13th. The start-date is January 7th, 1944 because Saratoga is in port on that date, and she's the last ship in port that can be positively identified. So, we're looking at 6-day period between the 7th and 13th of January, 1944...UNLESS the Cleveland Class CL is Denver, which brings the end date to the 16th, when the Essexes left. "Elementary my dear Watson, of course, it would have been far too easy to date the damn original photo now, wouldn't it ??!!!" Regards, Jeff PS: I am open to any input, after all, no one's perfect. Especially if some of the other ships can be identified and dates tied in... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: CHRIS DRAGE Subject: The WEM C.C. etch-photo Re: Carolines Bikini Poses >> I thought that as the personnel in question are away for Chatham Navy days, I can get my two penny'th in as well. I will probably get shot for it but to answer your questions, here goes. << Peter, It has been rumoured (from the direction of Chatham, that C.C. is reported to be FRETting over your comments about her fine etches. .....I will see you in Coventry, mate! Best of British. Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo.... (Te reo Maori) Or maybe in Botany bay with the rest of the convicts :->> Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Millen, Alan R." Subject: Dahlgrens I have two of Cottage Industries' ships, the Hunley and the David. Superb little pieces of work. I also have a Verlinden Seehund mini-sub. Also very nice. Has anyone seen and/or built either of these firms' 1/32 Dahlgren cannons? Any comparisons? Thanks for all your past help! Alan R. Millen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Sean D. Hert" Subject: IJN Linoleum Hello All- I have been trying to find out if the Mogami had linoleum on her decks after her first refit- I can't find my answer in Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War. The line drawings throught the book usually detail linoleum on the decks of most ships- but the drawings for the Mogami's show no such detail. Thanks for your help! Sean D. Hert Webmeister, MBG Site: http://www.netwalk.com/~popev/bg/ What is the difference between Mechanical Engineers and Civil Engineers? Mechanical Engineers build weapons, Civil Engineers build targets. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: drwells@hogpb.ho.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: HMS Vanguard "John Rule" wrote: >> Having recently signed up I will make a first attempt to post a question on behalf of an old salty friend of mine. He wants to build the Hasegawa 1:450 model of HMS Vanguard and needs to know if anyone makes an etch brass set to enhance it. << I don't have any leads on the photoetch, (let me know if you find anything, I've got one too! Will Caroline Carter and Peter Hall come to our rescue?) but you should warn your friend that the Hasegawa Vanguard kit needs substantial modifications to be accurate. The aft superstructure needs substantial cutting. The masts need work, and the general level of detail is pretty poor. The box may say 1/450, but in reality, it's more like 1/432. The HapDong ripoff of this kit needs even more mods, as the hull is too tall. David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | Email: drwells@hogpa.ho.att.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume