Subject: SMML02/06/99VOL564 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:56:18 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: DEPTH CHARGE COLORS 2: Re: C.C. Bikini-kit? 3: Re: 1.10 Yamato 4: Re: Need Help: 1/700 Classic Warships USS Portland 5: Re: IJN linoleum deck 6: Re: Siebels and E-boats 7: Re: Vanguard Photo Etch 8: BSW 9: Hi Guys, I'm back!! 10: C.C. and all that.... 11: Re: Pearl Harbor PANO & P.H.D 12: Blücher article and Bismarck book 13: Help - 27 foot whaler in 1/72 14: Re: Need Help: 1/700 Classic Warships USS Portland 15: Re: 1.10 Yamato 16: Re: Dahlgren Kits 17: Pearl Harbor pano project 18: Blind Man's Bluff 19: Nelson Colour Schemes 20: Letter of appreciation 21: Thetis and Black Watch 22: Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: USS Randall Attack Transport 2: June Internet Modeller is up -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Baker Subject: DEPTH CHARGE COLORS As owner and proprietor of some of the last of the USN's Mk 9 depth charges in the mid-1960s aboard a DER where I was ASW officer, I can authoritatively state that, at that point, we painted them haze gray on the body and deck gray on the nose area surrounding the detonator part, which was left natural brass and greased. Since we hardly ever dropped one (unlike WW II, but even there, most d.c.-equipped ships, especially in the Pacific, rarely dropped charges), they did tend to get rusty. In the South China Sea, my leading torpedoman and I had to disassemble each of our nine charges periodically to swab off the honey-consistancy explosive that leached from the detonator cylinder; a rather nerve-wracking job. We dropped two charges in my three years on the ship, both off Block Island at the request of the Pakistani submarine GHAZI (ex-DIABLO), whose C.O. wanted to know what depth charging felt like. My torpedoman had to sit atop the rack and kick them off, as, in the heavy weather we were experiencing, with the ship yawing and pitching, there was not enough slope to the rails to get them moving (and, then, there was all that paint . . .). Spectacular to see the water whooshing upward--and then various loose objects flying about the fantail; it seems our shallow-set charges went off as the stern dropped into the trough of the waves. Couple of hull cracks to weld up, and everyone went home happy--except the Pakistanis, who were not to thrilled with the shaking THEY got. GHAZI later ran up on one of her own mines during the Indo -Pakistani War of the early 1970s. Best/Dave Baker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: drwells@hogpb.ho.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: C.C. Bikini-kit? Bob wrote: >> I vote YEA on the Caroline in a bikini pic. << I too vote YEA. Careful here Bob. You need to be more specific where Caroline is concerned: Then Chris wrote: >> Firstly, there is the question of scale. Do we want to have Caroline in a diminuative 1:700 or a busty 1:72? << I think an even larger scale will be necessary in order to realize an adequate level of detail. 1/24 might be in order, although that might make ship dioramas difficult. In any smaller scale, we might not be able to tell that it's our own Mrs. Carter, and not just some beach bimbo. >> Secondly, you must specify either full-hull or water line. << Full hull, without question. >> Thirdly, you must ask her how many resin or (possibly) white metal detailing parts are to be included to enhance the resulting pic. << I would think that such a kit could be implemented in resin, unless there were some special details that require photoetch. >> Fourthly will there be fully detailed etchings available? << Metal fittings? I don't think so, unless there's some photoetch jewelry involved. >> Fifthly, will can we honestly expect Dave to provide the (now standard) six pages of instructions including both plan and isometric, exploded diagrams? << Well, he's the only one with access to the original, so who else could? I don't think he'd farm that job out to Peter Hall, or ISW. I'll be he'll have some fun taking the measurements...... >> Sixthly, will there be room for it all go up on the website? ....In the 'pre-owned' section possibly? << The space won't be the problem. I suspect the hit rate might overwhelm his ISP. >> Seventhly, who is going to be asked for the detailed, full-build article in order to help others obtain the most pleasure from it...? Dave perhaps? << Who would be better qualified? >> Lastly, do we honestly expect WEM to market this product themselves? Perhaps Iron Shipwrights might like to knock it out. << Resin caster Jimmy Flintstone has some experience in this area, but I'm sure this is a job that Dave will want to handle himself. >> One has to be fully aware of all these attendent problems when one asks a lady in Caroline's position to adopt a new pose. It's not just simply a case of donning the apparal and 'going for a take'. << Now here's an intriguing possibility: Perhaps an Age of Sail figurehead? Imagine Caroline in suitable armor, draped with White Ensigns and Union Jacks? The perfect figurehead for HMS Smellie..... David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | Email: drwells@hogpa.ho.att.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Jon Parshall Subject: Re: 1.10 Yamato >> As most of the members are aware,in the pages of the excellent "Nihon Kaigun", there is a reference about a 1:10 model of the battleship Yamato which, allegedly is being built in Japan.I tried to contact Mr.William Lise several times without any success. Anyone knows anything about this project. << I'm going to send a note to Bill and see what's up. I haven't talked to him in about a year, and his page hasn't been updated in a while. I'm interested in that 1/10th scale model myself. Jon Parshall Imperial Japanese Navy Homepage http://www.skypoint.com/members/jbp/kaigun.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Need Help: 1/700 Classic Warships USS Portland To Scott Spencer, Scott, if you need a set of instructions, I am confused as to why you have not attempted to contact me, you know, the manufacturer. Just send me a SASE and yea shall receive a replacement set, free. Good luck, Steve Wiper/Classic Warships P O Box 57591 Tucson AZ 85732 (520) 748-2992 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: IJN linoleum deck I believe that sometime just after the beginning of the Pacific War ('41-'45) that the IJN removed all the linoleum as a precaution for fire hazard. I would recommend further reading - Kaigun, Battle History of the IJN, IJN Cruisers of the Pacific War, and Anatomy - Takao. I don't know for sure, and unfortunately, don't have the time to read up on that. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Cooper, Mike" Subject: Re: Siebels and E-boats Hiya I think Skytrex do 1/600 white metal Siebel ferries. One of the german resin companies lists MFPs in its catalogue, but I've not seen the stuff. In 1/76 I know that at least one UK maunfacturer was talking about resin kits for wargamers. I have some drawings if anyone wants them. In 1/700 they ought to be a really easy scratchbuild - two hulls, deck, cabin, gun mounts and vehicles. S-boats - IPMS UK is sitting on an article by me on the topic, waiting for Richard Farrar to do a 1/72 conversion to go with it. This means that I've got some text if anyone wants it pre-publication. (Otherwise lobby Richard!). There isn't much on S-boats in the channel islands, but the little volumes done on the occupation of Jersey do include some good auxillairy pictures. I'm not sure whats in print, but it may be worth contactint the Channel islands Occupation society - they do a good annual publication and are generally very helpful Cheers Mike Cooper - Reading UK, where its been a lovely day! The sky isn't always grey over central Berkshire - and don't anyone ask what shade of grey! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Peter Hall" Subject: Re: Vanguard Photo Etch "John Rule" wrote: >> I don't have any leads on the photoetch, (let me know if you find anything, I've got one too! Will Caroline Carter and Peter Hall come to our rescue?) but you should warn your friend that the Hasegawa Vanguard kit needs substantial modifications to be accurate. The aft superstructure needs substantial cutting. The masts need work, and the general level of detail is pretty poor. The box may say 1/450, but in reality, it's more like 1/432. The HapDong ripoff of this kit needs even more mods, as the hull is too tall. << Hi there, In answer to you appeal for help with the 1/450 Vanguard fittings. A while back it was intended to release a kit of Vanguard in 1/350 from the White Ensign stable, but with all the other stuff coming to the fore it hasn't gone beyond the gathering of the plans,and therefore no brasswork has been designed for it yet. If we had already done the PE design in 1/350 then it would be quite easy to follow it up in other scales. I don't know if Caroline(or anybody else) knows of any fittings that may be suitable for your project,the alternative is to wait and see if Vanguard appears as a WEM or Atlantic release with the brasswork available seperately in reduced scale. Unfortunately I dont see it happening yet. One question though!!! Just how available is that Hasegawa/Frog kit nowadays? I have not seen one for years. Reading the details about the kit in the FROG book it says that it is 1/145 scale and 20000 kits were produced.(where did they all go to). "Ex Hasegawa. This kit was made by them after a direct request from Rovex.It did unfortunately contain a number of grave mistakes". Sorry I couldn't be more help Regards Peter Hall Hi Peter, Don't know about the Frog re-issue, but Hasegawa still have it in their catalogue. It's in the back of the catalogue under "limited edition". Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Robert Weilacher Subject: BSW I have not received the last few editions of SMML because I switched email addresses. Can someone e-mail me the part about the Bureau of Small Warships going out of business (or fill me in)? I am most disturbed about this since I have build one of BSW's kits and have another ready to start. Incidently, I started a web page with a few of my completed ships to show, which include the BSW Sims Class destroyer, Naval Works USS Amesbury, Skywave Butler Class DE and USS San Diego. As soon as I can barrow a better camera, I will take photos of Classic Warships USS San Francisco, Corsair Armada's USS Detroit, and others. Check it out at: http://www.mindspring.com/~rweilach/ Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Hi Guys, I'm back!! Right, lads, OK just hold it right there! FIRST, Let us please not forget that this is a MODELLING website.. and that does NOT include the Good Ship Caroline (and all who sail in her or whatever). However, many thanks for the amusing posts... esp. to Chris Drage and Peter Hall for putting Dave and me in stitches at 02.30 on Tuesday morning... along with Shane's and others' interjections.. also re. a model of the mascot, Peter IS putting a cat into his 1/700 scale naval figures set, because I asked him to, so there's THAT question answered! Whether you paint it tabby or Blue-point is down to you! As to the question of me posting a pic of me in a bikini, perhaps if young Shane might like to set the ball rolling with a pic of himself in Lorna's bikini.... Anyhow, Chatham was excellent... although on Sunday, it still heaved at midday with miles of traffic still coming in from every direction and tacking thru heavy seas of sweating humanity was not really my idea of joy. From a research point of view, though, we now have info on a variety of dockyard cranes. I simply love old cranes and railways anyhow, so Chatham was quite fascinating for me, having a useful range of dockyard "furniture", much of it in working condition. Locomotives, railway trucks, mobile and stationary cranes, and several railway cranes. Also, operational steam cranes. We managed to acquire a bunch of pics and also drawings of cranes, but will have to go back to find more, so at last, the prospect of 1/700 Scale dockyard cranes (resin cabs, photoetched booms) is likely. The event could not really be compared to the enormous "Festival of The Sea" last year at Portsmouth, but it was a credible effort re. combining the naval interest with "family" entertainment. Many teething troubles such as the dire parking/transport situation should hopefully be ironed out by next year. Chatting to one of the matelots in WW2 uniform (another nice touch as they were all in "action" mode on HMS Cavalier), it seems that the Victorian sloop Gannet had to be moved to enable Cavalier to take her berth, but, on moving her into her new location a couple of days ago, she fell off her stocks and was damaged, so was moored outside of the access area. We were disappointed that they we never got to see her. She's still afloat so hopefully the damage is not too bad. Now over to the area where the modern warships were docked, and the Dutch, French, British, Polish and German navies all showed presence, the whole being overlooked by the massive Russian sail training ship Sedov. The queues for HMS Exeter were up to 2 and a half hours long. However, having photographed innumerable Type 42s at Portsmouth, and having crawled over most of them, I wasn't too upset. The Dunkirk "Little Ships" were all moored together, providing a memorial to the bravery of all involved. These boats, of course, are the only vessels allowed to carry the St George's Cross at the jackstaff, besides the Admiral of the Fleet (undefaced when in company and defaced with the arms of Dunkirk when sailing alone). The stories of most were on display.. the indomitable courage and dedication (if not actual foolhardiness) of these boats' skippers shone through every time. Incidentally, Dave's grandfather.. a Royal Engineer.. was brought out of Dunkirk on the Canterbury at that time. HMS Cavalier is another story altogether. For those who don't know of her, this CA Class is Britain's last WW2 destroyer and, whilst the government spends squillions of pounds on a "Millenium" plastic tent in Greenwich that no-one wants, Britain's last destroyer was threatened with either the scrappie, or with becoming a floating restaurant in Malaysia. The dedication of a few souls (and yes, we played our own part in this campaign), and the raising of public awareness of the campaign to save her... she was not going to die quietly.. led, eventually, to funding enabling the provision of a permanent berth and maintenance at Chatham. Immediately next to Cavalier is a load of really interesting shore-based anti-aircraft stuff, and specially reconstructed bunkers with extremely realistic (read loud!) sound effects... the whole being an audio-visual "feelie" to give the punter a taste of what life must have been like for dock-based workers in the last war. Due to the massive queues for the ship, we gave it a miss on this occasion, but will go back mid-week in a month or 2 to avoid any crowds. And now, for a story and a quest.... we met a fella in the museum, a Derek Taylor, incidentally author of the biggest tome ever on RN ship's badges... and during a conversation with him, I said that I would post the following: 08.00 18th October 1943, Derek was on HMS Illustrious, sailing into the Clyde prior to refit and needed to fly off her aircraft. One of the forward 4.5 inch gun directors had jammed in the raised position, preventing the aircraft from flying off forward. According to Derek, the captain went astern at 18 knots enabling the fly-off to take place over the round-down. He was detailed to stand on the stern just under the flightdeck holding up a flag to show the wind direction due to the lack of a steam vent up the blunt end (he said that the aircraft quite literally parted his hair!) Anyways, he says that the Fleet Air Arm museum refuse to believe him as the incident was never documented. Anybody out there who was there at the time, knows somebody who was there at the time, or has any photos to corroborate his story, he (and we!) we would love to hear from you. Ah well, time to start ploughing thru a mountain of enquiries and orders (not neccessarily in that sequence, so please bear with us if your message isn't answered for a day or two) Cheers, Caroline Carter http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/index.htm White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: CHRIS DRAGE Subject: C.C. and all that.... re: The C.C.-Bikini issue. >> Or maybe in Botany bay with the rest of the convicts :->> Shane << I think it needs pointing out to Shane that C.C. also stands for Commander-in-Chief! You could find yourself drafted from the colonies back to penal servitude here. Bring your Wellies, mate! Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo.... (Te reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor PANO & P.H.D >> If any SMML members are EAST COAST US, NY/NJ/PA/VA/CT area, << OK, I'm in CT. So, I may have missed it, but where is the final location for this dioarama going to be? >> Specific needs include auxiliary vessels of all types, C2, C3, T2, T3, Liberty, Victory, AKA, APA, LST, LCM etc. etc...Essex Class CVs, basically, look at the pano file and figure how big it's going to be in 1/700. << What the....NO SUBMARINES??? ALL targets?? Hey, let me know if you want to include the Pearl Harbor Sub Base in the diorama. Remember, 60% of Japanese Merchant shipping was lost to the submarines. Also, a fair number of carriers, including the much vaunted Shinano. They may be small (particularly in 1:700 scale), but they did damage way out of proportion to their size and numbers. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Peter Mispelkamp" Subject: Blücher article and Bismarck book I have been following the recent thread of the loss of this German CA with great interest. At the risk of sounding like a shameless publicist, I wrote an article about her loss which appeared in the July 1996 (Vol. 6, no. 3) issue of The Northern Mariner. I did not talk about the nature of the torpedoes but did cover the circumstances behind her premature deployment and sinking. Re: "Bismarck" book: Someone asked about the latest USNI title on the Bismarck recently. If you were referring to The Bismarck Chase, it is certainly worth a look. My only major complaint is that is a very thin work, both in terms of size as well as content. However, the author does cover the principle points very well. Unfortunately, he refrained from entering the great debate over the colour of her turret tops!!. Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "MJW" Subject: Help - 27 foot whaler in 1/72 Need some help! I am looking for a 1/72 model of a 27 foot whaler lifeboat as used by the Canadian navy in WWII. At scale it would be about four and a half inches long. Can anyone help me out? I don't mind if the kit is wood, or plastic or resin (or whatever) Thanks! Malcolm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Scott Spencer" Subject: Re: Need Help: 1/700 Classic Warships USS Portland Thank you for the replys. Jeff Herne scanned his set and e-mailed them to me. Back to work on the Portland! Scott -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: CokerRE@aol.com Subject: Re: 1.10 Yamato Don't know about a 1/10 scale Yamato but back in the late 70s or early 80s a 1/20 scale model was built of the ship for the Japanese feature film The Grand Fleet. This was not about the Royal Navy, but a Hollywood type film on the Pacific war from Japan's side. The special effects using this model showing Yamato's end in April 1945 were superb as was some of the other scenes showing the various Pacific naval battles. When this model was completed a photo spread on her was done in the Japanese publication Ships of the World. The model was quite impressive sitting on the dock and running in water. PC Coker Charleston -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Dahlgren Kits >> I have two of Cottage Industries' ships, the Hunley and the David. Superb little pieces of work. I also have a Verlinden Seehund mini-sub. Also very nice. Has anyone seen and/or built either of these firms' 1/32 Dahlgren cannons? Any comparisons? << I have most of Cottage Industries kits but haven't seen the new Dahlgren kit yet. However, based on my experience with Wm Blackmore, I can safely say that his kit will be as accurate as can be made from available resources and will be a quality kit. AFIK, he used the actual Dahlgren salvaged by the South from the wreck of the USS Keokuk which shipped 2 Dahlgrens. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Pearl Harbor pano project Jeff, Keep me on your list for this. Even if I'm too busy with work & writing to build models (and that may not be totally true - I can do something, surely) I can at least contribute research on the eight carriers and help someone get the details of each ship straight before they start building. The three Essexes need to be consistent with each other, for example - if someone puts a new flight deck on the Hasegawa kit for one, the other two won't match very well if they're working off the original kit deck. If you have a "carriers committee" I'll volunteer for this one. One suggestion - since most ships are in Measure 21, do you want to select a "base" Navy Blue paint so everyone is working off the same tint, and maybe a carrier deck color? I realize it needs to be toned down and dirtied up - every ship will have a dozen different shades - but if we're all working off the same basic tints, then things ought to match up a lot better as various degrees of fade of the same base pigment, which is what the real thing was. I assume you'll do some sort of master list by location/type/whatever of what ships are out there, so we can start doing the research on specific ships at specific points, and relate those to existing kits in terms of modifications needed. You might also suggest general standards on the models, i.e. do you what everyone to try photoetch, or just get the darn things put together and shipped out. Also, if you'll decide what the base is going to be (painted wood - acrylic - whatever), someone would probably be interested in doing the submerged Arizona wreck, which probably needs some special treatment to show the submerged hull. By the way, there is a 1/700 scale dio of Pearl as of 12/7/41 on the Yorktown in Charleston - I have a wide angle photo and a closeup of the Arizona & Vestal (let me know if you want me to scan & send). Crude (and probably pretty old) and focused on Battleship Row, but I was fascinated because when I was ten or twelve I tried to do the same thing. Lots of Revell Arizona models modified to look like all the other ships. Best of luck, Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Chris Evenden" Subject: Blind Man's Bluff SMMLers, A few volumes ago someone mentioned a book about cold war sub operations titled Blind Man's Bluff. Can someone out there please tell me who the author and publisher is? Also does anyone know the email address of Classic Warships? Thanks, Chris Evenden Hi Chris, Classic Warships email address is: mailto:SteveWiper@aol.com Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Nelson Colour Schemes Joe Nelson was painted in the Admiralty standard pacific scheme during refit and throughout the rest of the war. Man O' War 3 contains an excellent series of photos of her leaving New York Harbour after refit. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "arthur" Subject: Letter of appreciation In appreciation of service above and beyond the expected, I would like to recommend Pacific Front and Bill Gruner in particular, for restoring my faith in ordering and receiving goods from the USA to this part of the world (NZ) Past experience made me very wary of dealing Stateside, however the level of service, assistance and knowlege of product shown by Pacific front with a recent order forces me to revise my opinion. It is reassuring to know that there are still some dealers who put the interest of their customers first, well done Bill, and I hope we can continue a happy and profitable liaison. Arthur -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Thetis and Black Watch Hi Kyrre The Flak-ship THETIS (not Thesis) was launched on 4 Jan. 1897 as the Norwegian Panserscib HARALD HAARFAGRE at Armstrong, Withworth & Co, Elswik. Like her sistership TORDENSKOLD (the later German NYMPHE) she was reduced to service as unarmed accomodation ship when WW2 broke out. Both were captured by the Germans in Horten harbour on 9 Apr. 1940 and later reconstructed to floating A.A. batteries at Deutsche Werke Kiel. Unlike other floating A.A. batteries, they retained their machinery plant, so they could sail under their own power. The former HARALD HAARFAGRE was recommissioned on Feb. 1st, 1941 as THETIS. She was assigned to Marine Artillerie Abteilung 709 at Harstad. She served mainly in Norwegian waters. One of her duties was to add to the air defence of German battleships and cruisers when they were lying in the fjords. There is also one photo showing THETIS in Kiel bay which is dated 1944. I can't tell if this dating is correct. The camouflage pattern she is wearing was not one of 1941, so the photo must have been taken later in the war. On the other hand it would have been unusual to move her all the way down from Norway and later up again, regarding the shortage of fuel which the Kriegsmarine suffered from in the late war years. In 1946 THETIS was returned and used as hulk. In 1947 she was scrapped. The armament as floating A.A. battery consisted of six single 10,5 cm Flak and several 4 cm and 2 cm guns (possibly two 4 cm singles, two 2 cm quads and one 2 cm single). Technical data as given by Groner, Die deutschen Kriegsschiffe 1815-1945, are: Length: 92,65 m o.a. Beam: 14,78 m Draught: 5,38 m Displacement: 3858 t (German tons) full load Speed: 14 kn. For data and a drawing of BLACK WATCH see Groner, Die deutschen Kriegsschiffe 1815-1945, Vol.5 pp. 90/91. If you want, I can send you a copy. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Millen, Alan R." Subject: Lists Hi Guys and Guyettes, Occasionally I see references to other lists on this one. What lists are out there for the modeller, whether it's ships or aircraft? From some of your conversation, most of you have interests other than ships, and I would be interested in any other lists that are available, or a site listing the lists. If I start listing too badly, I may turn turtle. Alan R. Millen Hi Alan, Point your browser to the World war One Modelling list at: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/ There you'll find the second best list (in joke) ;-ş. This list is for all WW1 modelling. Although the aero boys & girls dominate it with talk of Pfalzs, Sopwiths etc, all WW1 subjects are fair game. It's quite an enjoyable list, my wife Lorna, who is a keen WW1 modeller gets a lot out of it. Plus, you'll find several familiar names over there as well. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: USS Randall Attack Transport Is in good supply at Naval Base Hobbies http://www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Shane Subject: June Internet Modeller is up Hi gang, Seeing as nobody has posted in as yet, I'd better tell you that this month's IM is up & running. Featured on topic subject this month is Alberto Rada's article on the WEM 1/350 Type 12 Leander HMS Apollo. Go to: http://www.internetmodeler.com/ & enjoy. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume