Subject: SMML09/06/99VOL571 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:53:28 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: H class destroyers 2: HMS Nelson 3: Re: Titanic Model instructions 4: Re: U.S.S. Ward in 1/8" 5: Re: Potemkin Colors. 6: Re: Bluejackets Decatur 7: Re: 1/8th inch scale USS Ward 8: Re: Rusty White 9: Re: what's modeling about, Another Country Heard From: 10: Re: Light Sheet 11: Re: Is there really a 1/8" U.S.S. Ward? 12: Re: Peter Hodges' Book 13: Re: Light sheet 14: C.A.T.S. 15: New subscriber - USS Pine Island 16: Re: Royal Navy 'H' Class Destroyers 17: Boot topping 18: Sea States for Bases -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Looking for.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: H class destroyers Hi Felix There were 9 ships of the class, with as you say, Hardy as the leader. The others were, Hasty, Havock, Hereward, Hero, Hostile, Hotspur, Hunter and Hyperion. As a class they suffered quite heavily and only Hero (as RCN Chaudiere) and Hotspur survived the war. All the rest had been sunk by 1942. Hotspur served in the Mediterranean and then home waters. By the end of her life she had been converted to the anti-submarine role and ended up in the Dominican navy. I think the Airfix model is meant to represent her quite early in her career. The best source of photos is the Imperial War Museum photographic collection. Write to them with your requirements and they should be able to help. I have a photo of Hotspur as an AS destroyer but I think that this is a fairly common one and not too difficult to find. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: HMS Nelson Joe No doubt someone will correct me but my understanding was that the grey deck and turret surfaces were 507A Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: LYRAD108@aol.com Subject: Re: Titanic Model instructions I found my Titanic model instructions a few days ago. I don't need them scanned anymore. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Alpaslan Ertungealp" Subject: Re: U.S.S. Ward in 1/8" >> QUESTION: Is there really a 1/8" U.S.S. Ward kit out there? Does this mean 1/96th scale? My clumsy fingers and newly earned bifocals love the large scale. If so, is it made by BlueJacket Shipcrafters? Do they have an address, web page or phone number? << Well, I have a catalog for 1998 and on page 8 it says: 310' Destroyer, Overall length 39 1/2", Scale 1/8"=1' Item #1034 Price is $252.00 with pre-carved basswood hull, +brass, +pewter Write to: Blujacket Shipcrafters, P.O. box 425, Stockton Springs, Maine 04981 Call: +1-800-448-5567 Have fun! Alp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Potemkin Colors. Something more to add to the current discourse! A recent Russian illustration (prepaid postal card) shows her at the time of the mutiny with red waterline (no white dividing line), black hull, white superstructure including turrets (gun barrels - black), white masts, yellow funnels with black tops. This coincides with the livery worn by most Black Sea battleships. A photo in V.M. Tomitch "Warships of the Imperial Russian Navy" recently reprinted shows the same scheme but with white gun barrels, take your pick! Following her recovery after the collapse of the mutiny she was renamed Panteljmon (low peasant) in place of her previous princely title Kniaz (Prince) Potemkin Tavrichesky. An excellent book "The Potemkin Mutiny" was written by Richard Hough in 1960 and might still be available in the second-hand market. Mike London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Cheeney@aol.com Subject: Re: Bluejackets Decatur Does anyone have or know anyone who has the model kit of the U.S. Navy destroyer Decatur (DD 5) produced by Bluejacket shipcrafters in in the 1970's. Pat Harris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/8th inch scale USS Ward Roger Clemens writes: >> Is there really a 1/8" U.S.S. Ward kit out there? Does this mean 1/96th scale? My clumsy fingers and newly earned bifocals love the large scale.If so, is it made by BlueJacket Shipcrafters? Do they have an address, web page or phone number? << Well, not a kit, but the Scale Shipyard offers the USS Ward in both 1/96 and 1/48 scales. In fact, I am pretty sure he offers just about every US DD class used in World War II in 1/96, and a few in the larger scale as well (a 1/48 Fletcher is quite a sight!). Some fittings are available for the Ward, but you would have to Scratchbuild a the deck and superstructure at least. They can be found at: http://members.aol.com/ssyweb/SSYMain.htm Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography Now with online ordering! http://www.modelersboatyard.com/seaphoto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Rusty White >> BUT I'm more interested in someone publishing an article on making a working head (NOT toilet - shame on you!) in 1/700 scale - I nominate Rusty White - c'mon - if that's not a plumbers name, I don't know what is..... << I'm suprised! It took over a year on the list for someone to use my name in a joke. It took my wife less than a week when we were dating. Hey, Rusty sounds better than my given name, David (apologies to all the Davids out there). However this is the first time my names been compared to a plumber. Well done! Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Re: what's modeling about, Another Country Heard From: Howdy All Adding to this discussion, I would venture to say that modeling is what gives me pleasure, an escape from the present reality, a chance to indulge my passion for ships and history, etc, etc. If I don't have all the rivets in the right places and if the tampons aren't in the gunbarrels, so sue me. It is something I started doing a long time back and have continued to dabble in off and on over the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. Mea culpea, if I can't see spending the money to dress out a model with P/E, or getting exactly the Specification shade of gray, or using the out of the box parts without resin updates on ALL my models. Isn't it nice to come home and try to lose oneself in "messing about with boats"? Sure I will use P/E resin aftermarket fittings, and FED STD 595 U.S. haze gray - if I have it or the time to spend researching it or losing my eyesight to get it so right you can smell the saltwater running down the scuppers. Lights? OK given the time, effort, and investment. No lights, that's OK also. I just try to do it to have fun and keep a grip on reality. Also, it drives my wife crazy. One of life's tiny victories for all us Walter Mitties in the CyberWorld. In the past, I have given away ship models to young kids who wanted them and maybe couldn't afford to buy kits. It gave me pleasure to construct something with my hands, great therapy, and to maybe interest the kids in a neat hobby.I don't golf, hunt, fish, or gamble, so I consider it a relatively minor vice! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: Light Sheet >> First of all - Is anybody out there selling light sheet at the moment? Or does anybody know where I can get some? And secondly, Has anybody used it, how does it work, and Is it the solution to lighting Hangers? (I am up to my 4th attempt at Big E now) << Send a mail to trekfx@aol.com asking for some info, and they'll send you a leaflet with a lot of information and prices of the EL-sheets (that's their 'official' name: Electro-Lumiscent sheet, LightSheet is the firm's name) They sell several sizes of the sheets and inverters to drive them. They now also have 'lightstrings', flexible strings that emit light. The information on the leaflet contains also some examples what sizes you need for a number of kits. They are all SciFi-kits though... I don't know what kind of lights are installed in the big E (Big? The NCC1701D is at least twice that long ;-) but the color temperature of the white lightsheet is rather on the cool side, very good to simulate TL's, but not for normal bulbs. I don't know the construction of the hangar on your model, but as the LightSheet is only paper thin it can't be much of a problem to mount it on the ceiling of the hangar. Just make sure you can't touch the surface of the sheet with the power on, there's about 400 volts on it, and although the inverter can't deliver a high enough current to do real harm, it still can give you a nasty shock ! Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Steve Sobieralski" Subject: Re: Is there really a 1/8" U.S.S. Ward? BlueJacket Shipcrafters (PO Box 425 Stockton Springs, Maine 04981 800-448-5567) does indeed ofer a generic "310' Destroyer" kit in 1/96 scale. The one I have (unbuilt) is over 10 years old and I believe the kit has since been reworked by Al Ross. With some work and research the kit could be built to rerpresent any of the four pipers at any point in time. The kit is basically a pre-shaped wooden hull that needs to be shaped and sanded to final contours, wood superstructure pieces and Britannia metal fittings. The fittings (on my older kit at least) are far below Bluejacket's offerings for their newer kits like the Kidd and Gambier Bay. However, many of these can be upgraded with HR Products fittings who have a very nice 4" gun for this kit. There is a mail order company in E. Glastonbury, CT called Select Hobby Supplies (860 663-9064). They used to sell Bluejacket kits at a good discount (25% I think). They are the only place I have ever seen sell Bluejacket at less than retail price and I ordered several from them and got good service. I'm not sure if they still carry them because they don't list them in their latest catalog, but it might be worth a call. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Steve Sobieralski" Subject: Re: Peter Hodges' Book >> General question: Just how accurate is Peter Hodge's book now. I have access to a copy(since I can't find one of my own) & would like to use it in the future. << Shane, About a year ago I called WR Press to order their Fletcher, Gearing, Sumner book and found myself talking to Alan Raven. During the course of the conversation he said that he was working on a book about Royal Navy camouflage and I mentioned that I have Hodges' book. Raven was very dismissive of it (I think he said it was "totally worthless"). I'm certainly in no position to dispute Alan Raven on anything naval but I can't quite believe its "worthless". I've always thought it was a neat little book. Anyway, that's one notable naval expert's opinion (Raven's not mine). Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Light sheet Greg wrote: >> First of all - Is anybody out there selling light sheet at the moment? Or does anybody know where I can get some? And secondly, Has anybody used it, how does it work, and Is it the solution to lighting Hangers? (I am up to my 4th attempt at Big E now) << Ok Here's one I can answer! (sort of) I bought my Lightsheet(LS) off of Lightsheet system in NH a couple of years back, I assume that you ask because they don't sell anymore and don't advertise. I don't know if they are still in business, but here are some alternates. Lightworks USA advertises in FSM a kit that appears to include Lightsheet (it states Electroluminescence lamp and shows a LS type material). Their # is 203-595-0619 The following email address is listed a source of LS on the CultTVman website, email for product info and prices. mailto:TrekFX@aol.com I have used LS in a couple of Star Trek models (Hey they're Space SHIPS!!) and it looks very nice. Basically it is a couple of sheets of clear or coloured plastic with a phosphorescence material sandwiched between them that when stimulated with a med. freq. low voltage AC source (my power pack takes a 9v battery and inverts it to approx. 12VAC 400HZ) produces a fluorescent like, even glow. It isn't very bright in normal lighting conditions, but when in the dark it lights up nicely. The beauty of LS is that it comes in certain sizes with 2 prongs at one end, as long as there is a continuous strip, it can be cut with an Xacto or scissors to almost any shape or size and still glow evenly and it can flex into curves. It would be pretty expensive to get enough to light up a 1/350 hangar bay, say $70-90. BTW, hardware stores sell a night light now made of similar stuff with a green tint that seems to run off 120AC. I have been thinking about using actual flourescent's, as they are brighter. Follow this link to a place that sells them pencil and even toothpick thin!! They would really light up the Enterprise nicely (CVN 65 that is!). The Fluorescent Company Inc. htttp://www.flo-co.com This ties in nicely with the electric's thread for Rusty. Having put many lights and motors in models, (lit hangar bays, radar's, bridge lights that don't work anymore because the wire broke, props in a B29(oops not a ship!)) I have to say that even though they are nice to look at and fun to engineer, I believe that it is an aspect of modeling that if judged, it should be in a separate category. (I'm ducking now) A lot of people just don't have the skills or pocket books to add electronics or gadgets and it really doesn't indicate their skill level. If they are an average modeler, they might be an electronics or engineering whiz. If they are an excellent modeler, they might be a moron when it comes to which way an electron flows or a gear whirls, but buy a pre made cct and blend it in beautifully like the PE and everything else they put on the model. And as for moving parts, Ya I really want to show off how my gun turret can rotate and watch in horror as someone else decides to try it! Does the sound of something snapping send any chills up your back? A little glue sometimes goes a long way, if it doesn't move, they won't be tempted to move it! Anyway, maybe I'm getting crusty in my middle age, but that's my 4 cents worth (CDN-US exchange). I hear the neighbors kid downstairs, I better go guard my babies. Regards, Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "mkrumrey" Subject: C.A.T.S. SMMLies: I couldn't resist. I read about the person whose cat wiped out his airwing whilst sleeping on the flight deck of the ENterprise, and almost wiped out his Titanic. I built the Entex Titanic in 1980 and was quite proud of it. I followed the guidance in a British Magazine about how to improve the basic model. It took me about 4 months to build it. I had it proudly displayed on my mantle in the living room under a photo of a sunset, in a large frame. One night I awoke to the godawful sound of the model falling to the floor. I looked and the picture frame had come apart, (it had been hotglued) and fell of the wall (bulkhead) and knocked the model on the floor. (deck) I made repairs and redisplayed it sans the picture. Well, the cat had to see what was up there, and yes, it fell again. Some time later, I fixed it. It survived a move to California, where the cat, in a fit of disorientation, climbed on the mantle, only to knock it off again. I never repaired it. My neighbor liked it, and I gave it to her. I have since been leary of building another one for fear that the cats will sink it! Thankfully they leave my 1/350 warship collection alone. Mark Krumrey New Richmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Amham@aol.com Subject: New subscriber - USS Pine Island I am looking for a model kit of the USS Salisbury Sound AV13 or it's sister ship the USS Pine Island. Both are seaplane tenders of the WWII era. Hi, First off, welcome to the list, I hope you enjoy it. Revell has an approx 1/400 kit of the USS Pine Island & I think it's still available in most hobby shops. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Les Brown Subject: Re: Royal Navy 'H' Class Destroyers A good source of information on the full size vessels is the WARSHIP PROFILE on HMS Hesperus. This includes the normal colour profileand plan of her in the Western Approaches camouflage scheme. The August 1964 Airfix Magazine had an article by Chris Ellis describing the changes required to produce examples of all destroyer classes in the 'A' to 'I' range. Another one in the June 1968 issue by Allan Gwinnell describes how to model the various differences for those vessels making up the 2nd (Med) Destroyer Flotilla - all vessels from the 'H' class including the leader Hardy. Finally the June 1977 issue contains an article on the full size Hotspur and her operational career. If any of these are of assistance to Felix, please let me know. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Tom Eisenhour Subject: Boot topping What exactly is the purpose of boot topping and what determines its height? Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Cooper, Mike" Subject: Sea States for Bases Ok, this is going to sound a bit like the proverbial ships cat's gender, but bear with me. Reading isn't near the sea - only relatively compared to some parts of the World....So this means if I want to know what a rough sea loks like for my Corvette I have to refer to pictures. But whats rough??? Looking around at work I found Reeds Nautical Almanac. The section on meteorology has nice clear photos of the sea at various specified states - calm, fresh breeze etc on the Beaufort Scale. This shows the amount of white and a guage of roughness (figures are given for wave hieght etc). I've found this really handy. Warship did a feature which gave average sea conditions for the N Atlanic, so now I've got a rough Idea of what a particular sea state looks like! Cheers Mike Cooper (Reading Berks - where a nice morning has just packed up and gone home!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Looking for.... Dear Gentlemen: Normally I won't be doing this publicly but I feel it has to addressed. On Memorial Day I advertised several old Revell kits for sale I received 3 replies. One has been completed. In regard to the two others you said when when you were going to send out the money orders and I haven't seen them yet. Now when it comes to money deals thru the mail I don't live in a vacuum. I've tried to contact you individually and each time the ISP kicks it backs to me as not sendable. I am an honest person and wish to discuss this in private. So please contact me. Be it positive or negative. Sincerely Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume