Subject: SMML15/06/99VOL577 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:42:40 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Wives & modelling 2: Re: Dupont Paint Reducers and Table saws 3: Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth photos 4: Re: HMS Exeter in 1941 5: Re: Old kits 6: Re: US Nats 7: Saratoga CV-3 Airwings 8: Graf Spee at River Plate 9: Re: LST size 10: Re: Custom etching 11: More Hunley Part 2 12: Re: Fungus in lenses and Hunley Redux 13: 1941 HMS Exeter 14: Re: Photography problem. 15: IPMS(USA) Nationals 16: Table Saws & Dremel Saw Blades 17: Hunley and Wives 18: Re: 1941 HMS Exeter 19: Civil War Photo etch 20: Re: Portland, Oregon 21: Re: Aurora colors 22: DML 688 Kit questions 23: Re: HMS Exeter 1941-42 24: Re: Photography problem 25: Re: Japanese books on the Kriegsmarine 26: Re: 1.10 Yamato 27: RN horizontal surfaces colours 28: Re: Tablesaws Dremel etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Models to Trade!!! 2: Books for sale 3: New worm virus 4: OzMods -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: Re: Wives & modelling Hi gang, Further on the topic of wives & modelling, as most of you know, Lorna also is a modeller. So the only arguements we have are over little things such as - "Shane get of the computer, so that I can read MY modelling list" ;-)), where's my tin of paint that was on my modelling desk, etc. Now speaking of Lorna, today's her birthday(15th June) & I would like to take this opportunity to thank her for 9 wonderful years together & for many more. Also for her help & support in the running of SMML. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Lisa and Bill Wiseman Subject: Re: Dupont Paint Reducers and Table saws Some of the Dupont automotive paint reducers are way too "hot" to use on plastic, I tried some Dupont Imron (to match a 1:1 car) and it ate a perfectly good car model. Best advice to take a piece of sprue or resin casting plug and try the mixed paint on each and see what it does. There are two real good table top table saw models I can reccomend, Craftsman's 10" model at about 150 bucks and Delta's 8" at around 240. Both are small enough to put in a bench and large enough to handle most cutting jobs. You can get ultra fine blades for the craftsman (about 20 or so per inch) plus it takes the composite cut off wheels. Happy modeling, Doc Wiseman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth photos Sam, Try the University of Liverpool, they hold the Cunard archives including photos. If you need it I have an early war photo of Queen Mary in grey. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: HMS Exeter in 1941 I have 1:600 and 1:1200 plans if those looking for them care to e-mail me. I will be happy to mail them for cost of postage. They are fairly basic but will give an idea of deck layout. Mike London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Old kits John: Before you consign those old built-up kits to the bin, or as children's toys, consider going back and reworking them with PE, improved masts, rigging, etc. While not as easy as doing it during construction, it can be done, and well enough to produce a good model. I know: it's what I did to my Tamiya 1:700 ENTERPRISE (Including dazzle painting, improving the air group, etc.) that eneded up taking a 3rd place at the IMPS Nationals. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The (tired) Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: US Nats Keith: The Nationals rotate on the basis of East - Middle America - West. West was last year (Santa Clara), East this year (Orlando), mid-America next year (Dallas), meaning West again in 2001 (but I don't know where). John Snyder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" Subject: Saratoga CV-3 Airwings Hey everyone, I'm not sure if this is totally on point, but I'll give it a try. This weekend is our IPMS Region X convention. I have built one of each of the US Navy's 7 major carrier aircraft of WWII, all in the colors of an Enterprise squadron, and plan to enter them as a collection. I even have a deck plan of the Enterprise to display them on. My question is: I believe that the Big E is the only fleet carrier to take all of these airplanes into combat at one time or another. The only candidate for refuting this is the Sara. Did she ever have SB2C's and/or F4U's in any of her combat airwings? I really need to know this before Friday, so if anyone knows I'd really appreciate it. I don't need details or markings, just yea or nea. Thanks!! Michael Satin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "FCR" Subject: Graf Spee at River Plate Hi guys I have my Admiral Graf Spee at the beggining of the construction and I would love to made it at battlestations during the beggining of the famous battle. Unfortunately it cames a terrible doubt. Did the german pocket-battleship have a false twin turret and a false funnel in the battle. Does somebody know anything about this. Photos it must be almost impossible but anything that proves or show a diagram of it. Thanks to any further information Filipe Ramires -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: LST size >> Something doesn't compute here. An LST is 328' long. At 1/72 scale (1" = 6'), it would be over 54" long. << I'm operating from memory. I guess I shouldn't do that but the thing is big! How's that for accuracy. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Custom etching >> Would anyone be interested in doing a fret of stuff in 1/192 scale for Mike West's (LoneStar Models) Civil War stuff. << Brad, I'm sure Loren and Tom would probably agree, but I'll let them speak for themselves. For myself anything around 1/200 scale looks pretty "flat" when the line work gets this big. Consequently in this scale railing, for instance would be noticeably round, not flat so this is a judgment call as far as realism is concerned. However, I do custom etching at Flagship. Check out my web site for details. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "John Harloe" Subject: More Hunley Part 2 Our current Hunley kit is a revised edition and has been on the market for several years. Our first kit was based written accounts from two of the engineers who helped build the submarine in Mobile. Just so happens it looked just like the full sized model outside of the Charleston Museum. When Clive Cussler discovered the Hunley, we interviewed the divers and had a little help via a well placed source and came out with the revised kit which matches the data from the National Park Service. I think we are dead on this one. I would add that the chief historical consultant to Turner was Mark Ragan whose books on the Hunley and on Civil War Submarines (and there were several) are carried on our web site. Mr. Ragan is also on the board of The Friends of the Hunley, a non profit group raising money to bring the submarine and its brave crew home to Charleston. The City has approved a multi-million dollar addition to the Charleston Museum to house the Hunley when it returns. Our model, both versions, are sold at the Charleston Museum and on our web site: http://www.cottage-industries.com I look forward to Burl's model of the submarine. John Harloe Charleston Distributors http://www.cottage-industries.com Siege of Charleston Collection -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Fungus in lenses and Hunley Redux >> It's hard to imagine what the fungus is living on (in terms of carbon and nitrogen sources) if it's actually growing on the glass lens. If it is, it could be finger oil or something like that. Fungi will attack leather and cause it to deteriorate. Clean your lens with an alcohol based lens cleaner, but use lens tissue rolled up into a tube. Wet one end with lens cleaner, and handle with the other dry end. Don't let your fingers come in contact with the lens cleaner. One problem with detergent based or alcohol based fluids is that they will actually transfer finger oil onto a lens, unless you handle it as I described above. Also, you might want to store the camera carefully with your lens cap off to thoroughly dry out the area. Humid conditions and dark areas promote fungal growth. << The fungus lives on the material used to cement the individual lens elements together. At one time they used gum arabic, an organic material to actually form a solid, surface free interface between elements. The fungus attacks this layer, hence repair if at all possible, involves a complete rebuild and should only be done by a real pro with the proper knowledge and _A climate controlled clean room_!! I would be very careful about applying any solvent to the lens surface, and would check with a camera repairer or the manufacturer. Modern lenses are coated with special materials for color correction and glare, flare, UV and other optical effect suppression. It is that coating which gives the lens that particular iridescent purple reflection when viewed at an angle. I would be very careful to avoid damaging or stripping it with any solvent unless specifically recommended by the manufacturer. Besides, the fungus is not likely to be on the surface. >> John Harloe's note reminded me that the Cottage Industries' 1/32 kit is a very nice one, and a hefty piece of resin! The one I have seems to be based primarily on the full-sized Charleston reproduction and not on recent NPS drawings. Would't take much to correct it, however, just some details here and there. << The newer Hunley with the full interior was reworked from the solid full version according to info from the dives on the wreck. Our kit is 1/96, and it's about as big as your little finger. (Not Dave Merriman's little finger!) A second viewing revealed a line reel just forward of the aft torpedo rack. Not very big, however. << Do you have any pictures or drawings of this rack?? Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "John Rule" Subject: 1941 HMS Exeter With regard to the question about HMS Exeter in her 1941 post refit condition, I am afraid I don't have any drawings but if it helps the modifications carried out were as follows:- 1. The single 4in HA guns removed 2. Four twin 4in HA mountings added 3. Two eight barrel pom-poms fitted 4. Type 279 fitted 5. Positions arranged for two single 20mm 6. The mainmast and foremast were replaced by tripod masts 7. The bridge structure was enlarged The above info was taken from British Cruisers by Raven and Roberts and Warship Profile 14. The 4in twin mountings were located either side of the bridge structure and adjacent to the after funnel. they were located on platforms that overhung the sides of the ship. The pom-pom platforms were mounted forward of the mainmast on the after superstructure. Hope this helps. John Rule Whitby, Ontario -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Chris Hughes" Subject: Re: Photography problem. About 25 years ago, when I was stationed in Hong Kong, we had a similar problem with humidity and our artillery survey equipment. We used a small oil drum, into the side of which we cut an opening, covered by a metal flap lined with a rubber seal. The drum was then fitted with a low wattage light bulb and lined with silica gel dessicant bags. Our equipment was kept nice and dry and all we had to do was occasionally ask the chefs to dry out the gel bags in the cookhouse ovens... Our personal lockers were also fitted with heaters, which kept our uniforms and clothes mould-free during the humid rainy season. Cheers, Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Suvoroff@aol.com Subject: IPMS(USA) Nationals >> Does anybody have any idea when the US Nats might be back in the Pacific Northwest? << Seattle IPMS is bidding for the 2001 or 2002 US Nats. Yours, James D. Gray -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Ralph E. Batykefer, Jr." Subject: Table Saws & Dremel Saw Blades To the many who are asking about table saws and Dremel saw blades. Micromark at: http://www.micromark.com have a MicroLux table saw for $299.95 and also offer many accessories. They also have a MicroLux power coping saw for $134.95. They also offer various types of Dremel table saw blades from $10.95 for a 80 teeth standard blade to $68.75 for a diamond blade. And no I do not work for them. Just responding to the request... Ralph Batykefer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Alberto Rada" Subject: Hunley and Wives Hi Some years ago I bought the Cottage Industries's Hunley, and it really is a superb model, Last Year in September, while on holiday's in Charleston, I met William Blackburn, Master Modeler, CEO and 50% of the workforce of this company, he spent a whole afternoon showing us (another friend-modeler and our wives) around his factory (house garage) explaining in detail how he does the masters, the resin molds etc. I came out of there with the David and the Keukuk, I bought these two models, simply because if you see them, you just have to buy them. David, besides trying to survive with a cottage industry is also an excellent modeler, he won 1st in IPMS nationals the previous year, so if you have an interest in American Civil War ships (even if you don't) you should put your hands in one of these models, to me they sit at the top of the hill. Now on my second subject, his wife that composes the other 50%, of his workforce, is also a top modeler, I would say rivaling with him, at the time she was finishing a Viking ship that would leave you without breath (I think this was meant for a museum) so what else can you ask for ? Modeling not only brings you the satisfaction of learning a lot and building fine models (for your own eyes that is) but also the chance to meet fine people as these. I am sure that if ancient Greece there had been modelers, Diogenes would not have had to look so hard to find a Just Man. SALUDOS Alberto P.s. just for the record, my only relation with Willliam and C.I. is friendship and admiration for the work of a fellow modeler. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: dhjonespsm@juno.com Subject: Re: 1941 HMS Exeter >> I have the same question that Mike Eisenstadt has. I want to build HMS Exeter in her final post-refit configuration but thus far have found only a half dozen photos, a small starboard elevation in Conway's and a silhouette in Warship Profile #13. A deck plan would be especially helpful but any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. << Hello Guys, There is a modelers plan of EXETER in post refit rig published in the MAP plans range (Model and Allied Products - England - distributed by Taubman Plans Service in the USA). This is I think intended for a working model - and it does have a couple of errors - notably the position of the torpedo mounts (you can see this when comparing to photos) but it is better than nothing and, with a few corrections, could be used. Sorry I cannot give any more info - this is from memory as I do not have my old MAP catalog handy. Check with Taubman for latest prices and availability. Daniel Jones Plastic Ship Modeler magazine P.S. This plan was also published in much reduced form in an old issue of Model Boats back in the 1960's, and I think I have a copy of that in my files still. If the plan is no longer available e-mail me and I can copy the magazine version for you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: JVT7532@aol.com Subject: Civil War Photo etch >> proposal/question. Would anyone be interested in doing a fret of stuff in 1/192 scale for Mike West's (LoneStar Models) Civil War stuff. << I'll second that proposal for some P.E. set for these ships. I have a few that could really use some extra help. I want to thank Duane Fowler for the great flag sets he has developed for me to use with these Ironclads. Contact him if you are looking for flags of either side in several sizes that will fit many different ships of the era. Best regards to all Jon V. Theisen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Douglas K. Howard" Subject: Re: Portland, Oregon Things to see: Governor Tom McCall Waterfront Park, on S.W. Front Avenue. Artifacts from the Battleship USS Oregon, (BB-3), including mainmast, bow shield, and radio cabin. The Oregon Historical Society, corner of S.W. Broadway and S.W. Jefferson, has more material on the USS Oregon, including books, and more materials on Oregon's place in maritime history. Also on display there, unless recently moved, is the USS Grayback (name uncertain) a retired Guppy II submarine, probably at the Oregon Maritime Museum, also in McCall Park. Somewhere in that vicinity there is also a retired Port of Portland paddlewheel tugboat, still active into the 1960s. A lot of my knowledge is dated by a few years. Hopefully, somebody in Portland will help! Have fun; Portland is a remarkable city! Doug Howard Brookings, Oregon, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Aurora colors Well, the "obninsk" site's server finally got up and running. Unfortunately, it had no better photos of the Aurora. However, on the links page I looked around and found a site with a 1904 photo of Aurora in Far East Fleet livery. White hull, white superstructure, white masts (except top masts and maybe yards are black), what looks like yellow funnels with black tops. Check it out at www.vmf.monnet.ru/english/index.htm Click on the "Photo" link, then "ships", then "1850-1917" Marc in Mansfield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: John Yeager Subject: DML 688 Kit questions Hello, I am new to this website and mailing list so i hope that I am going about this correctly. I have a few questions about DML's Los Angeles(688) class sub model kits. I have 3 kits - 2 dallas vs. alfa and 1 USS hampton. They are all the same kit. I want to build all 3 versions of the 688 class. The instructions for these kits say to cut of the tail that is part of the sub body and to use a different one that is supplied. The one that is supplied has the horizontal fins at a swept back angle with no vertical fins on the end and has the round tube dispensers for the towed array sonar on the ends. The tail molded on the body is the tail with the straighter horizontal fins with a vertical fin on the ends. I thought that 688 class subs had a tail like the one that comes molded as part of the body. Can anyone tell me which tail to use with the different versions of 688 class? Also, there are two props with the kit, one bigger and more pointed than the other. Which goes with which version? The instructions say to paint the sub lower half red and the upper half black. Is the lower half of a sub on operational duty really painted red or is the sub all black? I know they come from the builder in red/black. I hope this posting makes sense. Its alot harder to type what your thinking then just saying it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You John Yeager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: HMS Exeter 1941-42 Hi SMML, There are fairly small scale profile plans of the Exeter as refitted in 1941-42 in a book called (I think) Cruisers at War 1939-1945 by Peter C. Smith and John Dominy and in an Italian book called Gli Incrociatori della Seconda Guerra Mondiale (Cruisers of the Second World War?) by Giorgio Giorgerini. I don't know if either one would be incredibly helpful to a modeler, but I can send copies if you want. The excellent post-refit photographs of the Exeter in the Warship Profile on the Exeter are available from the Imperial War Museum in 8" X 10" format or larger. Hope this helps.... Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Edward Malewitz Subject: Re: Photography problem Fungus on photographic lenses is a VERY serious problem, particularly in tropical conditions. Frequent cleaning with alcohol-based solvents helps, but the only prevention is storing the gear in well ventilated, DRY conditions. That may be difficult in the tropics or here in Houston. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Paul Toscano" Subject: Re: Japanese books on the Kriegsmarine >> I was looking through the pages at the back of the Japanese magazine 'Ground Power' today and it appears that Delta, the publisher, also produces a series of four books called German Surface Vessels of WW2 (1-4). << Robert, I have these books and they are quite good. They are very detailed and are full of excellent photographs. One problem in addition to the language, is that although the paper is high quality gloss paper, the books are paperback, like large magazines and require care if you don't want to damage them. Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Paul Toscano" Subject: Re: 1.10 Yamato >> As most of the members are aware,in the pages of the excellent "Nihon Kaigun", there is a reference about a 1:10 model of the battleship Yamato which, allegedly is being built in Japan.I tried to contact Mr.William Lise several times without any success. << Nuno, I am not familair with this project, but one Japanese publisher has just put out a large book dealing with a 1\100 scale model of Akagi and will shortly put out one on Yamato. These are extremely well detailed models. Perhaps this might be the project mentioned and not a 1/10 scale which would be huge. Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: RN horizontal surfaces colours Referring again to Alan Raven's articles in PSM, the good news for a battleship is that corticene and asphalt seem to have been used only on destroyer types and semtex (I have also seen it written 'cemtex' - isn't semtex that Czech plastic explosive?), on small working areas only of battleships. Unless you know which ones, I would be inclined to ignore it until someone provides details. From photographs, it would appear that the B15 was applied to horizontal surfaces other than decks, including the upper 1/3 or so of the main (but not secondary) armament. The posting mentioned Ms.22 - I would stress that it was pure conjecture on my part that the colours may possibly have been USN pattern, although the scheme itself was certainly an Admiralty design. I forgot to mention countershading, which was supposed to be applied to the undersides of platforms, lockers, vents, davits, insides of open gun shields and stanchions and deck fittings. It is not clear from the photographs I have the extent to which this was applied to Nelson. There is a fine shot of a late Vosper in volume II of the Lambert & Ross series on Allied Coastal Forces which shows the principle well, with the upper surfaces of everything (RU lockers, torpedo tubes etc) in the deck colour as well as white countershading on overhangs. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Raynor Johnston" (by way of Greg Lee) Subject: Re: Tablesaws Dremel etc. Just picking up on the thread of the unavailability of the dremel, what else is available that people have experience of and can recommend. I have been told that the .Proxxon' which is expensive and is available is not very impressive i.e rigidity etc. Any comments appreciated. Raynor J -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "FCR" Subject: Models to Trade!!! Hi Keith I have the HMS Warspite from the Airfix to sell or trade and if you would like to get it tell me. tell me about tour Gearing from Albatros??? Filipe Ramires -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Books for sale 50% off book sale! I have been thinning my aviation library. In order to clear the shelves to make room for new books, I’m discounting everything 50% from the prices listed. (Your cost would be 1/2 of the price shown plus shipping.) All hardcover books are in mint condition and have had their dust jackets covered in clear protective plastic. Paperbacks are in fair to excellent condition with most being good or better. All books are guaranteed and anything is returnable for any reason. Shipping in the U.S. is normally by USPS Book Rate and is $3.00 for the first book and $1.00 for each additional one. Shipments outside the U.S. will be quoted on an individual basis. I can accept checks or money orders in U.S. funds, and books are usually shipped the day after receiving payment. For an e-mail list of the above, contact me at mailto:BSteinIPMS@aol.com I hope you enjoy this list and happy reading! Bob Steinbrunn IPMS #3345 BSteinIPMS@aol.com Note from Shane: I have dealt with Bob & can highly recommend his service. He was a pleasure to do business with. The book I recieved came in a ziplock bag & bubblewrap & wasn't damaged at all. 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