Subject: SMML20/06/99VOL582 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:29:49 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Mediterranean theatre 2: Re: Galveston stuff, still dawdling in... 3: USS California BB44 4: Re: USS WASHINGTON 5: Re: Dunkerque Colors 6: BB-56 Camo 7: HMS Belfast and then some 8: HMTS Olymipc Port Side 9: HMTS Olympic dazzle scheme 10: HMAS Canberra 1941 11: Other side of the Olympic 12: NSW Challenge Shield report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: FS: SMS Lutzow/Derfflinger 2: Dutch navy books -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Growlrr@aol.com Subject: Re: Mediterranean theatre Yes oh yes Mr. Raven! When perchance can we possibly hope to see this long rumored book on RN Camouflage?....Your adoring public awaits! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: khglam@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: Galveston stuff, still dawdling in... >> I'm going to do all my CLGs on the Skywave kit, though. << Has anyone seen the article in the Pitroad/Skywave's Catalog #4 on converting their Cleveland kit to the OK City. If so, can you comment on the accuracy? BTW, that particular catalog also featured articles on converting their Gearing/Sumner DD's to FRAM and minelayer versions. Regards, Chung -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: khglam@ucdavis.edu Subject: USS California BB44 I believe that the USS California (BB44), like the Tennessee, had rows of 20mm guns flanking the funnel upon re-commissioning in 1944. Sometime in late 44 or early 45, she received a pair of quad 40mm guns in lieu of these 20mm guns. I've look through George Gruner's Blue Water Beat: Two lives of the USS CA, Myron Smiths' Pictorial History of the USS CA, and various general references on US BB's, but have been unable to ascertain as to when this conversion occur relative to the change in her paint scheme from the dazzle camouflage. My questions are: 1. Did the California ever had both the 40mm guns and the dazzle camouflage at the same time? I would like to do my CW 1/700 TN as the CA with the 40mm guns and the dazzle paint scheme. 2. Does the Iron Shipwright 1/350 kit of the Tennessee include the parts to do this version of the USS California? (Is it only a couple of gun tubs and 40mm guns, or were there more changes?) Would appreciate any response. Regards, Chung -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USS WASHINGTON I seem to recall a fairly recent discussion of her camo on this list, with the conclusion that she was in Ms.22 at Guadalcanal in 11/42. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "larsenal" Subject: Re: Dunkerque Colors According to the excellent book of Robert Dumas "Les Cuirassés Dunkerque et Strasbourg" printed by Marines Edition in 1993, colors of the battleship Dunkerque were the following: From the beginning of her career to February 1940: - Entire Hull Light Grey except: - Fire directors: white - Main bridges were wood color except for the forward portion of the main deck that remianed natural metal (From the extreme bow to breakwater). - Top of funnel, anchors, boot toping and chains are black. At the beginning of 1940 she was repainted in a darker shade of grey to give better camouflage in the Atlantic Ocean waters. One white ring is painted on the funnel from March 1939 to August 1940. Blue, white, red bands are painted on turrets II and V in February 1942. At this date she is still dark grey. Launches have their bottom painted black, on the smaller ones their cabin are mahogany colored, the bigger ones are grey. Only the Admiral's launch is white with a mahagony colored cabin, the Captain's launch is blue with also a mahogany colored cabin. The Dunkerque with her Neutrality bands is a very attractive model to build. Best regards, Jacques Druel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: BB-56 Camo To any concerned USS Washington was in Ms. 22 during the Night Battles at Guadalcanal. Found a picture from late August, when she finished a refit in New York or Philly? I thought this may have been one of the first uses of Ms. 22? Photos can be obtained from The Floating Drydock. When I was designing my kit of the BB-55/56, I also found that both, and all the South Dakota Cl. BB's had an auxiliary anchor storage area built into the deck(bow area, port). They all had this removed(BB-55 during Sept.-Dec. refit, BB-56 refit after collision with Indiana about April of '43?, the S.D. Cl. most soon after launching), so that, I believe, is why most are not aware of this feature. Steve Wiper/Classic Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: HMS Belfast and then some For a while, it looked as if we would be flying into Heathrow Airport in time to see HMS Belfast move down the Thames. Unfortunately, our flight was delayed almost 2 1/2 hours, and all we saw from the plane was an empty slip. The delay also meant my day and a half at the Imperial War Museum in Duxford would be reduced to a single day. It is one thing to know how big a Short's Sundeland is, but quite another to stand under one and actually experience the monster. After walking through the Concorde there, I now know why it had to fly so fast: the passengers couldn't stand being so cramped for a longer flight. Coach seating on a British Midlands commuter flight are about as comfortable. As for things nautical, I spent considerable time going over the museum's 40' CMB for future modeling purposes and wish I could have gotten inside their X-Craft. A high point of our time in Duxford was meeting and spending an evening with fellow SMMler Peter Sketchley and his wife Sally. Then, it was on to Scotland and the main reason for the trip, The Whisky Trail. We were told about the damp Scottish weather, but no one warned us about the tornadoes. Not the twister variety, the RAF ones flying low and anything-but slow and LOUD over the lochs and right over our manor house hotel overlooking the ruins of Kildrummy Castle. Actually, the weather was quite sunny for most of the trip and was appropriately rainy when we squished across Drumossie Moor where the Battle of Culloden dealt the final blow to the Jacobite cause in 1746. Our remaining nautical contacts consisted of hours aboard a Cal-Mac ferry where I passed the time photographing the scenery and getting some detail shots of the gravity davits, and running across the three-masted barque Lord Nelson both at Oban, on the mainland, and at Port Ellen on Islay. getting used to driving on the other side of the road in Scotland was fairly easy, considering most of the roads seemed to be little more than one lane BOTH WAYS anyway and the sheep in the road keep one alert. (Or is that why there is so much lamb on the menus?) Counting the distilleries we visited and the single malts sampled back at our hotels, we managed to cover Caol Ila, Bowmore, Ardbeg, Lagavulin, Bruichladdich, Bunnahabhain, Oban, Talisker, Isle of Jura, Cragganmore, Tomatin, Dallas Dhu, Glenturret, Longmorn, Glenlivet, Benriach, Glenkeith, Strathisla... Our hotel outside Inverness carried 220 different ones on its single malt list! Slàinte mhòr Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Duane Fowler Subject: HMTS Olymipc Port Side >> There's a portside photo of the Olympic on page 16 of the book titled "With the 364th Infantry in America, France and Belgium," published by The Knickerbocker Press, New York, 1919 << First or second dazzle scheme? If it is mainly a bunch of straight stipes from the bow, then it is the first scheme for which there are other photos too. If it looks like a large black stripe angles from the rear of the superstructure towards the bow, it may be the lost port side we are all looking for. Do you have the book and can you scan the image? Some of thes 1919 books are hard to find these days. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Douglas K. Howard" Subject: HMTS Olympic dazzle scheme Hi Guys... In case it's of interest...Duane Fowler contacted me about that portside photo of HMTS Olympic, in the 1919 Knickerbocker book. Based on his description of the dazzle schemes, it appears the photo PROBABLY is the "Second Dazzle Scheme." I don't have scanning capability, but maybe something can be figured out. Cordially, Doug Howard Brookings, Oregon, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: HMAS Canberra 1941 Folks: A few weeks ago someone posted a request for plans or line drawings for HMAS Canberra in her 1941-42 fit. I belatedly discovered that I have a nice set of very detailed line drawings for Canberra in her 1941 fit (plan and profile views) that was published in Warships of Australia by Ross Gillett and Colin Graham (Rigby Ltd.). If you're still out there, contact me and I'll be glad to send a set to you. Best wishes, Mike Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Other side of the Olympic OOPS! It's the starboard side, not the port side that is missing from the second camouflage scheme of the Olympic. The only photograph that I know of that shows the starboard side is the partial aerial shot from the stern. Sorry! Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Shane Subject: NSW Challenge Shield report Hi gang, Now that Lorna & I are finally getting over our exhaustion from yesterday, I thought I'd post a quick report on the day. The day went well, with only a few minor hiccups (mainly admininstrative hassles with the other club presidents). The people who attended(club members & the public), had a great time & spent big with the traders & the swap & sell table(some SMMLie picked up the Airfix SRN4 for a fair price, which I really couldn't afford - Hi Phil ;-)) ). The competition was well subscribed to, with about 130 models entered. Our great idea of having APMA members give short talks thrughout the day on modelling skills etc didn't quite go as we planned. The person giving the talk on vacforms started to set up & whilst he was starting to whittle away the plastic, the scratchbuilder started to set up & model at the same time on the next table. What happened next, was just magic - instead of these guys giving short talks, they just sat around all day bouncing ideas of each other & modelling. When the next presenter turned up, they'd just clear a space for him & off they'd go again. There was always at least 5-6 onlookers all day at this little section of the hall & all had a great time. The club display area, also had a brisk trade in onlookers. APMA had set up 5 tables with back issues & members models, including a very nice ship display set up by Lindsay Charman(he let me put my ships in there as well). To sum up this "quick" report - everyone I hope had fun. I got the chance to meet some SMMLies (found out some interesting things about GovT archives as well). But by the end of the day the committee was shagged & were glad to get home. Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CokerRE@aol.com Subject: FS: SMS Lutzow/Derfflinger For Sale: SMS Lutzow/Derfflinger Class battlecruiser fiberglass hull on 1/200 scale with some details (turrets, boats, etc.) and films for photoetching details. Contact cokerre@aol.com if interested. A model built from the same mold was featured in Ships in Scale in the 1980s. will throw in all for one price of $350. OBO plus shipping -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Doug MacAhonic" Subject: Dutch navy books Hi everyone, First of all I would like to thank everyone for all there information on modeling, sure has helped my fleet to look even better. I was cleaning out my grandfathers closet and found 2 Dutch Navy Handbooks (Handboek Voor Zeemanshap), Vol 1(1961), Vol 2(1963) in Dutch. I was wondering if there was anyone here who be interested in them, please let me know. Thanks Doug -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume