Subject: SMML22/06/99VOL584 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:02:05 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Ship Plans 2: General Banjilyifu 3: Re: HIJMS TAMA 4: Z28 5: HMAS Canberra 6: Andrea Doria on the WEB 7: Removing Old Paint 8: Re: Research pictures 9: Oklahoma City 10: Re: Fighting Steel 11: Z28 colour scheme 12: Iron Duke turrets 13: Shanghai Dragon Kits 14: BB-56 bow anchor 15: JSP moulds proposal 16: Re: Z28 colour scheme 17: Re: Dunkerque Colors 18: Re: IJN CL Tama colors 19: MTB drawings 20: D.K. Brown 21: ARMS & ARMOUR PRESS 22: Kriegsmarine colours -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Ship Modeling FAQ, Part 01/23 (Contents, where to find FAQ: 18K)] 2: WEM webpage update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Ship Plans Does anyone have an address, phone # or address of ship plans section of the National Archives. I know for a fact that such a branch exists but I can't find it on the web. I found the National archives and the ship site in Maryland. Problem is that's as far as I got. It mostly had photos (nice site though). I want to start collecting plans for all classes of warships so I figured this would be the place. I already know of Floating Dry-dock and Taubman's. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Les Brown Subject: General Banjilyifu I have recently come across a Greek Defence Magazine (all in Greek, which I do not speak at all) which has a small modelling section at the back. In the issue I have just seen it reviews a 1/700 scale model of 'General Banjilyifu' by Galaxy (Fujian) Model. Does anybody know anything about these kits and where they may be obtained? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: HIJMS TAMA The Tamiya box art is reasonably accurate, but you should also check out the photos of both TAMA and KISO in camo in Lacroix and Wells. The camo was carried over onto horizontal surfaces, as shown in one of the photos. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Z28 Hi Bob Whitley's book 'Destroyer' has a photo of Z28 late war in overall grey. She also has a false bow wave (clearly visible) and a no 28 painted in white on the bridge front. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: HMAS Canberra Hi George Bill Grunner of Pacific Front was going to do a model of Canberra but due to pressures of work it never got finished. He transferred it to another company where I think it died the death. With regard to converting currently available Countys there isn't one really that's really appropriate. B-Resina do a Suffolk but with cut down quarter deck and the other kits belong to later classes (dimensions were slightly different). If you're not worried about compromises, one of the Sussex kits is probably a good starting point. The White Ensign Sussex has a superb hull, but the bridge would need considerable work. Hi-mold also do a Sussex (early war I believe) but this would also need a fair amount of work. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Andrea Doria on the WEB Hello All, The Long Island (New York) newspaper, Newsday, is running a four-part series on the sinking on the Andrea Doria and the recent deaths of three divers (in unrelated incidents) in the past year. It is a popular diving spot. The website also has a the story, with a photo album, actual radio new sound footage and online video of the wreck. Check it out at http://www.newsday.com/doria/doria.htm Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Removing Old Paint Hi again, I received a question on my webmaster email from somebody asking how best to remove old paint from an injection-molded kit. He knows of the oven-cleaner method, but was wondering about others. I know that this has been discussed in the past and I think should be part of the FAQ that some of you are working on. Any thoughts on alternative paint removal methods? Thanks, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John S. Platt" Subject: Re: Research pictures Evening all Whist researching into a minesweeper I ran across the following address which may be of interest to you all. This photo section will supply you with, as a gesture, photocopies of photographs they have on US Navy ships plus order forms should you wish to buy photographs. I do not know if they hold photographs of ships from other Navies. I received 15 photocopies of my minesweeper being built, at launch and during sea trials. To obtain photographs costs around $15-00 per print. The address is: National Archives and Records Administration, Still Pictures Branch, NWCS, Room 5360 8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD 20740-6001 USA The address was given to me (I am sure) by someone else on the list, you know who you are and thank you very much. Best wishes. John S. Platt. Brasted, Kent, UK where it is not raining. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Oklahoma City Rick H said of the Oklahoma City: >> As the last of the CLGs in commission, and longtime Fleet flagship to boot, there should be lots of primary reference material around, reunion groups and such; and probably something in Oklahoma City itself. << This reminded me that Oklahoma City is preserved at Buffalo, NY, and photos may be ordered from Kurt at SeaPhoto. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Fighting Steel I tried to download a Beta version of this yet-to-be released game last night (www.fightingsteel.com) but could not get it up and running. Might have time to troubleshoot later in the week… Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Z28 colour scheme I too had hoped to find an interesting scheme for Z28, since I also have an Airfix kit of it and those dazzle schemes are a good challenge. However, a trawl through my sources (a Warship special on 'Super Destroyers', Warship 1,2 and 4, German Destroyers and Escorts, Anstriche und Tarnanstriche der Deutschen Kreigsmarine, Die Deutschen Zerstorer 1935-1945 and German Destroyers of World War Two) yielded only one photograph of Z28 in anything but plain light grey vertical surfaces. That was in the latter book (MJ Whitley, 2nd edition) and shows, on page 140, a USN-credited bows-on view captioned as Z28 in Narvik in 1942/43. There is a false bow wave visible and what appears to be a diagonal (top port to lower starboard) demarcation between dark and light colours on the panel above the bridge windows (dark above). The hull side looks as though it is in at least two colours but it is hard to be definite due to shadows. However, the minelayer moored alongside has a similar scheme and has the demarcation in the same place, so I am inclined to think it might be paint. Unfortunately I have nothing visible aft of the second gun mount and no idea at all of the starboard side. Perhaps someone has found something else (Mr Krakow??). Otherwise I will have to convert my Airfix kit and make some more main armament mounts for it (as if those vierlings weren't enough....) Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Matt Melchert" Subject: Iron Duke turrets Hi. I am currently working on Airfix's Iron Duke, which I'd like to build as the early fitting. I'm trying to figure out what the original looked like, as there seem to be some inaccuracies in the kit. In particular, I can't quite work out what the turrets were like early in the war. Airfix's kit has the armour plate overlaid over the turret tops. I've heard two conflicting theories about this: One, that extra armour plate was added to a number of ships (including presumably Iron Duke) after Jutland to prevent plunging fire entering the turrets. I've also heard that Iron Duke was originally built with the overlaid turret armour plates in place. However, numerous drawings I've seen of the early Iron Duke clearly show no overlaid armour plates on the turrets. Also, there are three little bumps near the front of the turret tops in the kit. Some pictures I've seen of Iron Duke show three bumps, some two. What are the bumps for, and how many did Iron Duke actually have? Thanks in Advance, Matt Melchert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Hughes Family" Subject: Shanghai Dragon Kits I have some kit questions that I would appreciate any info subscribers to this list might posses. The kits in question are the 1/700 Shanghai Dragon kits of the USS Conolly ABL Destroyer and the Aegis Class Cruiser USS Normandy, such as are they from the Skywave Molds, waterline/full hull, how is the fit and molding of the parts and any other helpful info. Thanks in advance Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: John Sheridan Subject: BB-56 bow anchor Steve Wiper wrote: >> When I was designing my kit of the BB-55/56, I also found that both, and all the South Dakota Cl. BB's had an auxiliary anchor storage area built into the deck(bow area, port). They all had this removed(BB-55 during Sept.-Dec. refit, BB-56 refit after collision with Indiana about April of '43?, the S.D. Cl. most soon after launching), so that, I believe, is why most are not aware of this feature. << Funny you should mention this subject! I was on the USS Massachusetts last Saturday (6/19/99) becuase I am building the BWN Massachusetts kit and needed some info (what better than a 1:1 scale model!). I noticed on some of the photos of Massachusetts in 1944 that it too had a "notch" on the port bow. This notch vanished during her 1946 refit as best as I can tell and the plans from Floating Drydock reflect the 1946 refit minus the notch. HOWEVER, the drawing by Chesley in the USS Massachusetts book show the 1944 refit with the notch. So I took a ride down to the ship and promptly headed for the bow (yes, I did stop to pay admission ). I looked to where the notch should have been and there it was: the weld outline of the notch right where it should be! The notch's shape is exactly like the one on the USS North Carolina / Washington. I also found many weld/cutting marks on the deck that showed where items were deleted/moved between refits. So for those of you who wish to build the Massachusetts in her 1944 refit should use the Chesley drawing in the USS Massachusetts (available from the Battleship Cove Museum @ $5.99). For those of you who wish to do the ship in her final configuration should use the Floating Drydock plans. John Sheridan @ Microscale Decals http://www.microscale.com If I'm talking Decals, then i'm talking for Microscale, Otherwise I am speaking for myself. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: JSP moulds proposal Hello SSMLies, My warm thanks to fellow SSMLer Mr. Chung Lam, who was kind enough to remember my post in a past SMML, WTB a Jim Shirley Gearing Fram DD kit. Chung spotted one on a trip to Japan, remembered me and contacted me, and I now have one to build-- now that is fellow modeling comradeship! Many thanks, Chung! I must say I am extremely impressed with the quality of the JSP resin casting! I did not see a single flaw on the whole-hull casting. Thus I am very sorry to see Jim Shirley go out of production on his excellent ship model kits-- it is a loss to our hobby. However, I wonder if any of the other ship model resin casters out there have made any overtures to Mr. Jim Shirley or former JSP principals, to purchase outright or license for production, the former JSP ship model molds? I am not a resincaster but it would seem to me to be a golden opportunity for some other kit producer out there already doing business, to pick up some excellent molds and resume production of the kits under another name or as a licensee paying back some minor royalty to the original producer. Other types of manufacturers do this sort of thing all the time, but it really seems as if model kit producers have a terrible time picking up molds and licenses, when a kit maker deep sixes-- and thus, many molds are lost to the modeling world and future generations of modelers, which is a shame. (A good example of this were the original molds made for production of the original Disney Nautilus submarine, which was actually listed in the American Injection Molding Almanac. According to Pete Powell of the Lost Causes Model Kit newsletter advertised in FSM, the dies for it, along with almost all of the invaluable 50's, 60's and 70's Disney models, as well as almost all of the TV show kits, were once held by the Borden Co.under their MPC label-- since bought by ERTL-- purchased from Aurora and Revell.) Pete, if you're out there we'd like to hear from you on this!! I'd hate to see the JSP molds and kits disappear into a time warp someplace, they are truly excellent even if the company eventually decided to stop making them. Anyway, that's some food for thought for a current resincaster. Lacking that, has anyone thought of forming a non-profit, Virtual Cooperative, for doing just that? If we had enough SMML (and other group) members willing to commit to, pledge some upfront $ and pay for a kit, and the contacts to obtain the molds or lease them from a former/OOB manufacturer, we could collectively contract one of the current resin-casting companies to a price-- and then get a production run done, just for the pledging members of the Virtual Cooperative. Because SMML is a truly international group, the Virtual coop is the way to go, and we could keep some excellent resin (or even plastic) kits alive. I would like to hear your thoughts on this -- pros and cons, but try to be CONSTRUCTIVE-- raise issues and problems, but also give ideas for solutions to resolve them. Out of such efforts, many positive things have been done! Tom Detweiler, in Rocklin CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: Re: Z28 colour scheme Robert, Thanks for the reply . . . I wasn't aware that Airfix did Z-28 as well - mine is a modified Skywave kit. Could the pattern possibly depicted be one of the ones shown on the rear jacket of MJ Whitley's Destroyer!!? If your edition doesn't have this I can provide a scan of it - it shows the camoflage patterns worn by various German destroyers. One other query .. any idea on a match for the German light grey? I have had a few emails today asking me this very question. Regards, Bob Pearson Hi Bob, et al, In PSM 95/3 David Veres gives Humbrol 64 & Floquil 303197 as suggested colours for light grey. I used this for my Z Class DD & it looks OK(at least to me ;-) ). The PSM issues on Kreigsmarine colours are AFAIK, still available. They are 95/2, 95/3 & 95/4. They can be got from the following: Dan Jones - Editor PSM - mailto:dhjonespsm@juno.com White Ensign Models: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models Pacific Front: http://www.pacificfront.com/ HTH, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Clifford Franklin Subject: Re: Dunkerque Colors As a follow on from the answer concerning the colour scheme of the Dunkerque, was her sister ship Strasbourg painted in the same way, or did they differ? I would like to put one in the dark grey scheme, and one in light grey, in a diorama together. Is this possible? Cliff Franklin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: IJN CL Tama colors The camouflage pattern for CL Tama on the boxtop appears to be correct. B & W photos in Lacroix and Wells "Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War" depict Tama and Kiso in their respective schemes from several angles. (see pp. 376-378, photos 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, & 8.6) The boxtop art is obviously patterned after photo 8.6., save for some artistic license with the background scenery. According to the text "... the Tama and Kiso were camouflaged on 2 December 1941. The camouflage consisted of white bows and sterns and white patches in the superstructure, contrasting sharply with the dark gray color of the remaining parts." Enjoy the project, Dan Kaplan (NYC, where the first evening of summer is a wonderfully dry 66*F, the Yankees are back in first place and the Knicks dare to defy the basketball gods) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: MTB drawings Greetings. Saw your post in rec.models.scale and that's quite a list you have on Vosper MTBs. On an off chance do you have any photos or drawings of the Dark Class post war short hull MTB? I have a very (>30 yrs) old plan/line drawing from Modellers Plans Service UK for an RC version of this MTB. It has some very intricate fittings on the transom as well other deck details which I can't quite make out. But its the transom details the drawing is most deficient in. A number of naval books show the same tiny photo of P1114 which is proof that these MTBs existed but is inadequate as a source for detailing. Thanks. Kelvin Mok (klmok@home.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Suvoroff@aol.com Subject: D.K. Brown Does anybody on this List have an E-Mail or Snail Mail address for D.K. Brown, the author? Yours, James D. Gray -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: lionel leventhal Subject: ARMS & ARMOUR PRESS Dear Web Master, I am happy to provide some information about Arms & Armour Press; I founded the company in 1966 and was the Publisher until I sold it in 1984 and departed 1986 to found Greenhill Books. It was a privilege during my days at Arms & Armour Press to publish such books as: BRITISH BATTLESHIPS OF WORLD WAR TWO by Raven and Roberts BRITISH CRUISERS OF WORLD WAR TWO by Raven and Roberts GERMAN CRUISERS OF WORLD WAR TWO by M. J. Whitley WARSHIPS OF THE IMPERIAL FLEET by Jentschura, Jung and Mickel BATTLESHIP NEW JERSEY by Paul Stillwell SUBMARINES OF WORLD WAR TWO by Bagnasco etc., etc. Permit me to correct John Clements and advise that Arms & Armour Press was sold to Link House Books (who also owned Blandford Press), and the newspaper group that owned Link House Books sold all the publishing houses to Cassell two years later. I have also endeavoured under the Greenhill imprint to publish a number of naval books of merit, including: CHRONOLOGY OF THE WAR AT SEA 1939­1945 by Rohwer & Hummelchen FÜHRER CONFERENCES ON NAVAL AFFAIRS 1939­1945 BRITISH AND EMPIRE WARSHIPS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR by H.G. Lenton AIRCRAFT CARRIERS OF THE ROYAL AND COMMONWEALTH NAVIES by David Hobbs ALLIED SUBMARINE ATTACKS OF WORLD WAR TWO by Jurgen Rohwer AXIS SUBMARINE SUCCESSES OF WORLD WAR TWO by Jurgen Rohwer GERMAN U-BOAT COMMANDERS OF WORLD WAR II: A BIOGRAPHICAL DICTIONARY by Busch and Röll I would have to check back into the detail of our production of BATTLESHIPS OF THE BISMARCK CLASS, but a quick check shows both the German original edition and the English-language translation to be of the same length. My recollection is that there was a very small amount of extremely technical German, I have in mind the possibility this being of electrical charts, which would have required new artwork. Our feeling was that on the one hand this small amount of material was only of interest to extremely few people, and who would have wanted it in the original German, but on the other hand and as John Clements says, there were cost implications. In John Clements' comments he raises a number of times "cost reasons", "very commercial", "uncommercial", "cost grounds". Yes, any publishing has to be on a cost-effective basis. It is only by selling sufficient books to cover one's costs, and this usually is a reflection of the interest in the market place in what is being published, can such publishing be undertaken and continued. One of the benefits of free enterprise however is that there are a number of publishers working in this, and of course all other, subject areas and there is nothing to prevent another publisher seeking to change margins, publish a different selection of books, publish books either at a lower or higher prices. Indeed, such is the access to printing, but also now the web, that more people can personally, or by means of a consortium, seek to have the materials that they wish to see published indeed be published. I'm sorry to read however that John Clements feels that his 1982 translation (with Janet S. Mallender) of NAPOLEON'S WAR IN SPAIN made him feel "exploited" and was undertaken "at minimal fee". Here John Clements certainly puts his finger on a very real point of difficulty, and that is the costs involved in translating and publishing in English works from a foreign language. In this particular case there were of course the French authors who required payment, and the French publisher. Also it was a work in full colour, but there was a ceiling on the price which the enthusiast will pay for such a book. Would that the enthusiast, in whatever aspect of military and naval history, recognized special costs involved in making such works available and would pay more for them. Mr. Clements' memory is better than mine when he says that he did some work on a German book which he recalls as being a reprint of a Kriegsmarine camouflage study carried out in 1942 or 1943. I'm afraid that I do not have any recollection of that project but, again, if Arms & Armour Press felt it impractical to proceed with English language publication then there was nothing to stop another publisher doing so. I do not either have any recollection of keeping the original, but would say that a contemporary reference manual can be remarkably difficult to publish, and is usually incomplete, and with bias. Could the book in question have been the original 1977 edition of ANSTRICHE UND TARNANSTRICHE DER DEUTSCHEN KRIEGSMARINE? Generally speaking, I have been alert to works presenting camouflage schemes, but have never found one that it was practical to undertake and therefore to now read that there was "a fully worked up book on British destroyers in WW2 with wonderful plans and colour plates" is news to me, and I cannot believe that this occured whilst I was with Arms & Armour Press until late 1986. Making the decision to undertake the publication of a substantial and illustrated work concentrates the mind wonderfully. There are very substantial sums required for such, and one has to look at the finance that is available, consider the investment against other opportunities, and look at the size of the potential market. There could be a case for the Ship Modellers' List forming a consortium of members who would fund and facilitate the publication of books which, for whatever reason, existing publishers do not consider to be viable. The original enquiry as to whether there was a list of books published by Arms & Armour Press was answered negatively by Mr. Clements, but I would advise that I hold such a listing for the years 1966­1986, of over 600 titles. If there is a SMML member who wishes to visit the Greenhill offices and abstract for the enquirer all the naval titles I would be happy to make this archive listing available. I believe that the first naval related title was published in August 1972 and was the very large-format DIAMOND JUBILEE NAVAL REVIEW, 1897, facsimile. Information about Greenhill's publishing can be found on our website which is http://www.greenhillbooks.com. We are currently working on POCKET BATTLESHIPS OF THE DEUTSCHLAND CLASS by Gerhard Koop and Klaus-Peter Schmolke, a new edition of VERY SPECIAL INTELLIGENCE by Patrick Beesly, which will have a new Introduction by W. J. R. Gardner and Afterword by Ralph Erskine, plus a remarkable, large-format full colour book entitled HISTORIC SAIL. British publishers of books on naval subjects usually endeavour to work on a co edition basis with the Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, U.S.A. Indeed, it is usually essential to have to do so for a book to be viable. I have had a long relationship with the Naval Institute Press, and an article about this (and about how I turned down for British publication THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER by Tom Clancy) will appear in the next issue of Greenhill Military Book News, which will be posted on the Greenhill Website. With all good wishes to SMML members. Yours sincerely Lionel Leventhal Publisher, Arms & Armour Press, 1966­1986 Publisher, Greenhill Books, 1986 to the present -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Jean-Cyrille WAAG" Subject: Kriegsmarine colours Hello all, I would like to know what are the best reference books about Kriegsmarine WWII paintings, colours, camouflage patterns and so on. Thanks for your help Jean-Cyrille -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "John O. Kopf" Subject: Ship Modeling FAQ, Part 01/23 (Contents, where to find FAQ: 18K)] The FAQ is posted at the beginning of every season. It goes to: news:rec.models.scale. The FAQs also go to: news:news.answers and news:rec.answers, which most sites tend to keep around for a while. They are archived at (access via FTP): ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.answers/ship-models-faq (.ZIP files) ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/rtfm/usenet/rec.models.scale/Ship_Modeling_FAQ/ ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/rec.models.scale/Ship_Modeling_FAQ/ ftp://ftp.seas.gwu.edu/pub/rtfm/rec/models/scale/Ship_Modeling_FAQ/ or via WWW at: http://www.seaways.com/faq/faqind.html http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/ship-models-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ship-models-faq/ Alternative FTP sites (these tend to be old copies) are: Europe: ftp://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/pub/FAQ/rec/models/scale/Ship_Modeling_FAQ/ ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/internet/faqs/ship-models-faq/ http://vogelweide.fmi.uni-passau.de/archive/faq/rec.answers/ship-models-faq http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/faq/by_category.ship-models-faq.html or via WWW at: http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/ship-models-faq/.html http://www.pasteur.fr/other/computer/FAQ/ship-models-faq/ghindex.html Asia: ftp://ftp.hk.super.net/mirror/faqs/ship-models-faq E-MAIL: If you do not have http or anonymous ftp access, RTFM.MIT.EDU can send the FAQ to you via email. Send e-mail to: mailto:MAIL-SERVER@RTFM.MIT.EDU ...subject ignored, and the body containing: HELP...for instructions. Also HIGHLY recommended is the Ship Modeling Email List Server (essentially an email discussion group). To subscribe (or unsubscribe), send an e-mail message to: mailto:seaways-shipmodeling-list-request@lists.best.com ...In the body of the message, state: "subsingle"; for a digest instead of individual messages state "subscribe". JK Hi gang, John also asked me to inform you that the whole FAQ has just been posted to rec.models.scale . Thanks to Ken Goldman for emailing John about SMML as well. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: WEM webpage update Hi Guys Please check out the following: a special mini-feature on Britain's preserved 6 inch cruiser HMS Belfast.. pics of her arriving at Portsmouth recently... also kits, accessories and refs covered.. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/belfast/belfast.htm I have put together a feature on Peter Hall's award-winning diorama "The Dragon's Mouth Incident" featuring a build of Atlantic Models 1/350 HMS Peacock as HMS Starling with a sinking junk, and a WEM 1/350 Wessex HU5, involved in an Air-Sea Rescue operation... as usual, Peter's seascapes are awesome..... well, what do you expect after getting on for 30 (?) years on deck! http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/peacock/peacock.htm Have also added links to reviews on the kits, books, videos and etch pages... http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/plist1.htm Incidentally, arriving quite soon ... Snyder and Shorts Royal Navy Paint Chips Set One Cheers Caroline Carter Who REALLY wishes she was going to Florida now........ http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/index.htm White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume