Subject: SMML29/06/99VOL891 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:29:18 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Swastica on what's her name 2: Re: DD 304 & DD 306 3: Re: DD-304/306 4: Camouflage challenge 5: Re: Bismark and the Swastika 6: A visit to the US 7: Forest Sherman Class Kits 8: Re: Stripping Paint, Sodium Hydroxide 9: Re: Bismarck and the Swastika 10: Re: IPMS(USA)Nationals destroyer build 11: Polly-S paints 12: Conversion factor? 13: address for Detail Associates 14: Re: Viking Texas 15: Re: Old Friends, New Enemies Vol. 2 16: camouflage challenge 17: Re: DD-304 & DD 306 18: Ringo Graf Spee 19: Re: DD-304, DD-306 20: Chinese Junks 21: Re: DD-304 and DD-306 Info 22: Rodney -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: APMA site update 2: Re: Destroyer build entries -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "foeth" Subject: Swastica on what's her name Thanks Shane, for desecrating a fine subject! Anyway, the ship carried both a swastika on the bow and the stern, on a white circle on a red base. The red is assumed but considering the other KM ships, most likely. You can get swastika's from Verlinden Productions if you like dry decals, or do some masking. The aerial recognition symbols were covered with a gray cloth during the Rheinubung operations according to survivors, so adding some Kleenex tissue on the right spot should give a nice cloth appearance (Soak in white glue and water, and apply. Cut to size first!). Oh, those raised things the anchors run over are wood, so don't paint them gray next to the aerial sign. The lack of painting instructions might be due to the political nature of the symbol, and you won't find it in many catalogues either. In Germany, the use of it is mostly banned (Even if it weren't, I do not suggest showing it off! I've heard weird stories about modelers testing their new models in a small lake, without the swastika's, and were met by a hail of stones, just because the ship was a warship. Imagine what adding a swastika would do) I have read somewhere that certain aircraft models have swastika kill-marks on the fuselage, just the right size for the Arado's. Don't know which models though... About those tops: paint them dark gray, with or without the striping, and nobody has a reason to complain. Don't paint them green, yellow or blue (All variants spotted on shows, including the blue). Oh, the domes near the bridge could use a lick of dark gray as well, check the pics. Why hasn't anybody distilled all these things into the SMML FAQ? EJ Foeth Hi Evart, As I've mentioned before, there are a few people working on the SMML FAQ in their SPARE time. At the moment, it's coming along fine, but other things do intrude on their time, like family & work commitments. That & the fact there is a hell of a lot of infomation contained in nearly 600 volumes of SMML to sort through. But, I'm sure they'd welcome your input, though & any others who may care to help out on this undertaking. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Jeffrey Roberts" Subject: Re: DD 304 & DD 306 DDs 304 and 306 were the USS Farquhar and USS Kennedy respectively. They were not involved in the collision off the California coast on Sept 8th 1923 in which 7 flush deckers were lost. Farquhar was broken up in 1932 and Kennedy in 1931. Source: Conway's All the Worlds Fighting Ships, 1922-1946 Annapolis USNI Best wishes Jeffrey Roberts North Hollywood California -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: DD-304/306 DD-304 was USS FARQUHAR, launched 18 January 1919, stricken 18 November 1930, and was barracks ship at New London in 1930-31. DD-306 was USS KENNEDY, launched 15 February 1919, stricken 18 November 1930. Neither was involved in the Point Honda disaster. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Sheridan, John" Subject: Camouflage challenge >> Several weeks ago I offered one bottle of high proof to the person that constructed a half way decent list of which ships had what camouflage during the Solomon campaign, specifically those ships that actually took part in the operations. As of toady's date nothing has appeared, and I am a little disappointed. The offer will remain on the table until the first of January 2000. If a list has not been submitted by that date then the high proof will be consumed, and with NO ice added. << Last week, Right here on SMML, I offered to create a Naval Ship Camouflage website so that us shipmodelers would have a reference source for ship camouflage. I asked SMML'rs if they help provide the data, I would be more than happy to build and maintain the site. As of today, I have not gotten one reply. This has not stopped me from actually doing the webiste, I am simply plowing ahead with the project and doing the research on my own. I will ask SMML again, If you are interested in contributing to my project of creating a ship camouflage website, please feel free to provide me with data either by e-mail or directly on SMML. Right now, I am working on USN Battleship Schemes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. John Sheridan What I do to Spammers: http://microscale.com/images/N2.jpg I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 Fight Spam! Join CAUCE! http://www.cauce.org Support the Ban of Dihydrogen Monoxide! http://www.cis.udel.edu/~way/DMRD/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "FERNANDO, YOHAN" Subject: Re: Bismark and the Swastika I think certain countries (Germany especially) have strict laws when it comes to displaying/painting/reproducing swastikas. I've found that kits that were to be sold in these countries would have the 'offending' swastikas missing from the instructions or decal sheets, or sometimes the decal would be defaced with a big black blob so as to defer its use on the model. The same kit made for sale in other countries without these restictions would have the decals intact and unaltered. My Aoshima Bismarck kit (which is sold in Japan and imported into the US) included the bow swastika decal, while some other Tamiya 1/35 German armor kits (which are sold in US and Europe directly- hence the English instructions) had the defaced decals. Could it be your Tamiya kit is one of these that is meant for sale in Europe/Germany? Perhaps the version made for sale in Japan would be different in this respect... Just a thought (and in no way a commentary on the depiction of swastikas on models - which I've seen really blown out of proportion by people in the past). Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Lisa and Bill Wiseman Subject: A visit to the US Paddy, No stop in Manhattan would be complete without a trip to " The Naval Base" Hobby shop. They are at: 118 East 59th St fourth floor (if I remember right). They are open during the day Monday through Friday I forget the exact hours. Shaya and company are more than helpful and very nice folks to deal with. The USS Intrepid Air and Space Museum is on the Upper West Side of Manhattan in the Hudson River. (in the Mid 50's or 60's I think) the Big I has mostly aircraft on the flight deck but the hangar deck has been done as a maritime museum with dioramas of many of the campaigns of the Second World War. The bridge and several interior areas have been restored and tours are offered. There is also a DD and a Sub tied up as well, my last visit the DD Edison and sub were new and not yet opened. Across the Hudson in NJ there is the USS Ling, WWII diesel Sub recently opened up as a museum. On the East Side at pier 17 is South Street Sea Port, a decent museum and tours of sailing vessels. It's rapidly becoming a tourist trap of epic proportions but worth the trip anyway. If you fancy a train ride, get on Metro North at Grand Central and come up to West Point. The United States Military Academy is an open post with a fine military museum and tour of one of the oldest military fortifications in the East. The train ride is about 80 minutes and costs $17 round trip. I live ten munutes from the Point and would be only too happy to give you a tour. This part of New York boasts many Revolutionary War sites and Museums. I also lived in Washington for a time. I was the LPO of the ER at Naval Hospital Bethesda. (NMCNCR for you purists) The Navy Yard, the Air & Space Museum, the mall with the Capital, Washington's and Lincoln memorials, and Arlington Nat. Cemetary are all must sees (IMHO). The Air & Space museum has a beautiful WWII Carrier model. It may be the Enterprise (memory slippage again) don't beat me if I'm wrong. If you want, give me a shout and we'll hook up while you're here. Regards, Bill "Doc" Wiseman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Doremus, Mark" Subject: Forest Sherman Class Kits Bev, I don't know about the Charles Adams Class kits. But, Revell has issued the Forest Sherman class several times as Forest Sherman or John Paul Jones. The kits scale out around 1/320-1/317 scale, about 15 1/2 inches long. The kits are reasonable renditions of DD-931 to 936, as built. They do not reflect the higher freeboard models nor do they have the missile launchers added in later refits. Reasonable for a Revell kit of the late '50's, they have the castle style railings and a keel that wasn't on the actual ships. They show up on E-bay from time to time for $12 to 20. I picked mine up a model show for around $5. Good luck Mark Doremus Atlanta '96 Survivor, Shane.. It's not that hard to survive an Olympics, I did it from 40 miles away;>) Hi Mark, Well I'm about 100km away from the Olympic site, so I'm in the same boat. But it really comes down to whether I'd rather be here for the Olympics or in England for the IPMS(UK) Year 2000 Nats. Guess which one wins hands down ;-)) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: (James Kloek) jakloek@kodak.com Subject: Re: Stripping Paint, Sodium Hydroxide As a chemist, I should make a couple of comments about this thread. Solutions of sodium hydroxide, or caustic soda (NaOH, not NaNO2), will strip paint. In my opinion, the easiest source of this material is oven cleaner, I use Easy-Off here in the U.S. It removes paint from both styrene and resin. As a recent post suggested, you can make your own solution of sodium hydroxide, but some care needs to be exercised. On the whole, it is easier and safer to use the oven cleaner. But, if you want to make your own solution, gloves and eye protection are good ideas, since the danger from this material is chemically burning yourself. (It is not particularly toxic.) However, sodium hydroxide being an ionic material, is completely non-volatile, so the only reason for a respirator would be to protect from exposure to dust. Most solid sodium hydroxide comes as pellets, and this is not an issue. I am not aware of a reason why you need to start with hot water, in my experience cold water works fine. The dissolution of sodium hydroxide in water is exothermic, that is, it gives off heat, so even cold water will get warm when you dissolve the material. The only way the water would boil is if you start with water near boiling already. In my opinion, it is much safer to start with cold water. Always add the sodium hydroxide to the water, not the reverse, and add it a little at a time, not all at once. Mix well during the addition. The remaining question is how much sodium hydroxide to put in how much water. You can make very concentrated solutions, but the more concentrated it gets, the more likely it is to cause burns (and maybe damage your model) if you spill it. If it is too dilute, it may not work at all. I do not know what to recommend for a target concentration. Bottom line: you can make your own if you can get the materials and exercise some care. I find it a lot easier and safer just to use the oven cleaner. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Jean-Cyrille WAAG" Subject: Re: Bismarck and the Swastika Hello all, I'm afraid this time Shane is wrong because the latest information on Bismarck shows that ONE day before being sunk the A & B turrets were painted Yellow pink with bright spots of fluorescent green and red; also on top of turrets was painted Caroline in her bikini (famous known to SMML). For the swastikas, both of them (stern & bow) were there but hidden during the refuelling in Bergen. Jean-Cyrille Uh Caroline, I'm innocent in this case, really I am. Anyway, I'm still right for two days before, afterall this new infomation states one day before ;-)) Shane - ducking for cover fast -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: James Corley Subject: Re: IPMS(USA)Nationals destroyer build >> I asked before about this and heard no response. Does anyone know if the destroyer build for the US Nationals is still on? The last I heard Steve Wiper was going to donate awards and that a number of people were working on models. I would really like to know. << Rusty, I've built two OOTB Albatross Sumners as my contribution. I am working on 2 Tamiya Fletchers, but doubt they will be ready in time....too many other things to do. James -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: Polly-S paints I want to use Polly-Scale acrylics to paint my 1/700 Gearing ca. 1968 -- which was Haze Gray with the blue-grey deck paint. Which Polly-S paints would work to match those USN paint colors? I do have a color photograph of the ship at sea which I could use for mixing and matching. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: Conversion factor? Without getting too technical, is there some sort of conversion factor or divisor or formula to figure out how to convert from 1/700 scale to scale inches? Yes, I know 1 scale inch = 700 full size inches, and I can kinda go from there, but I wanted to put this out to see if there's a "better way" (or easier way!) to do it. Thanks in advance! Tom in Rocklin CA, where it's now triple-digits HOT out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Lamar Jones Subject: address for Detail Associates Does anyone know an address for Detail Associates? Lamar Jones, Baton Rouge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Viking Texas Chris: The Viking Texas is available in both full hull and waterline vesions. The casemate problem you refered to has been taken care of. However, the lip that goes around the edge of the maindeck is still there. As a previous review of the 1/350 scale version noted, perhaps this is to aid placement of the photo-eteched railing. The port-to-starboard crease on the main deck near number 3 turret has also been eliminated. Besides the odd-looking aircraft, and the lack of the anti-aircraft batteries atop the superfiring turrets, the model appears accurate. I originally thought my kit lacked any 3-inch guns. However, what I took to be 20mm cannon are indeed the 3-inchers. I've been aboard the Texas, and the 3-inchers there don't look like 20mm cannon. As for the 1/700 Classic Warships Texas, I should let Steve speak for himself (and please correct me if I'm wrong) but it could be quite a while before it hits the market. My rule, a ship in hand is worth two in the "Upcoming Releases" column. I'm looking forward to completing the kit, right after my next project--the 1938 version of the USS Lexington. Marc in Mansfield (Who was spoiled by the cool, dry weather in the New Mexico mountains and is running up a huge electric bill trying to duplcate it as heat indexes here approach 105 degrees.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Friends, New Enemies Vol. 2 Hi Gang, Will the gentleman who wanted Vol. 2 of Old Friends, New Enemies send me an e-mail about this? I ran across a copy of the book in a book list that arrived today, and if you contact me I'll put you in touch with the bookseller. The book is on hold for 48 hours from this evening (Texas time, that is). Incidentally, the title of Old Friends, New Enemies was originally planned to be "Reluctant Enemies," but it was changed prior to publication. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Vimieraa@aol.com Subject: camouflage challenge I have been contacted privately about the above matter. I would ask that the gentleman make contact with the webmaster about the list that he has constructed. The prize is still waiting for its winner. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: dhjonespsm@juno.com Subject: Re: DD-304 & DD 306 Doug Howard wrote: >> While rambling through the building I work in, I found a framed enlargement of two USN flush-deck "four-piper" DDs visiting Crescent City, California in 1920. (They were anchored offshore; CC's harbor isn't THAT big!) No names were given, but their numbers, 304 and 306, were clearly visible. Can anyone clue me in on names and histories of these two vessels? Was either one involved in the Point Arguello disaster, which took place a few years later? << Both ships were members of Destroyer Squadron 11. DD 304 was the FARQUHAR, DD-306 was the KENNEDY. KENNEDY was in the formation on the day (evening actually) of the navy's worst peacetime tragedy. FARQURHAR was absent that day due to a previous engineering plant failure and was in port for repairs. Destroyer Squadron 11 consisted of 19 ships, five of which were in drydock or repair at the time of the stranding on the rocks at Honda. The fourteen ships, in three divisions combined for the exercise, were steaming at 20 knots in line ahead formation with the leader DD-261 DELPHY navigating for the entire group. The interval in the "follow the leader" formation was 250 yards, with only 13 seconds seperating each ship from the next one in front. When DELPHY hit the rocks, within moments six other ships joined her, DD-310 S.P.LEE, DD-312 YOUNG, DD-309 WOODBURY, DD-311 NICHOLAS, DD-286 CHAUNCEY, and DD-297 FULLER. DD-300 FARRAGUT and DD-306 KENNEDY both reported striking something, probably rock outcroppings, but they did not run aground and were able to stand off and avoid serious damage. The other five ships in the formation were unscathed. For a very detailed account of this disaster see "Tragedy At Honda" by Charles Lockwood and Hans Christian Adamson (1960). For a more brief current account see "Great Naval Disasters" by Kit Bonner (1998). Motor Books - ISBN 0-7603-0594-3 In my collection I have about six snapshots of ships in this destroyer group taken by a sailor aboard the DELPHY. Unfortunately the photographer is not known nor are the shots dated, but they are interesting historically. I published a couple of them in an issue of the old IPMS-USA Quarterly when I was its editor. Maybe one of these days I will publish them again in PSM. Daniel H. Jones Plastic Ship Modeler magazine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: kenny_II Subject: Ringo Graf Spee Wow, what do you know. I bought one of these kits off ebay in disassembled condition and attempted to restore it as one of my first 'return to modeling' projects. I had been curious if any more existed. Does this one have propeller shafts and the rudder? They weren't even mentioned on my instructions. I have to say even after all the inaccuracies, that Graf Spee kit is still one of my favorites. Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ann or Gregg Dunphy Subject: Re: DD-304, DD-306 Douglas K. Howard wrote: >> While rambling through the building I work in, I found a framed enlargement of two USN flush-deck "four-piper" DDs visiting Crescent City, California in 1920. (They were anchored offshore; CC's harbor isn't THAT big!) No names were given, but their numbers, 304 and 306, were clearly visible. Can anyone clue me in on names and histories of these two vessels? Was either one involved in the Point Arguello disaster, which took place a few years later? << I checked my copy of Friedman's "U.S. Destroyers; An Illustrated Design History" and found the following: DD-304: U.S.S. Farquhar. Laid down: August 13, 1918 at Bethlehem Steel, San Francisco (Union Iron Works) Launched: January 18, 1919 Commissioned: August 5, 1920 Decommissioned: February 20, 1930 Fate: Stricken from the Navy List, November 18, 1930. Converted to a barracks ship in New London from 1930 to 1931. DD-306: U.S.S. Kennedy Laid down: September 25, 1918 at Bethlehem Seel, San Francisco (Union Iron Works). Launched: February 15, 1919 Commissioned: August 28, 1920 Decommissioned: May 1, 1930 Fate: Stricken from the Navy List November 18, 1930. No further information available. It appears that neither of the two destroyers was involved in the Point Arguello disaster; they appear to have lead rather uneventfu,l albiet short, lives. Gregg Dunphy Bellingham, Washington -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Chinese Junks Chinese Riverboat Junks The original email was addressed to my son Peng but is most likely meant for me as I has used Peng's email ID for my postings years ago. (Making models is not one of Peng's hobbies). Mr. Chen's letter and the attached photos of his work on riverboat junks bears reading. Mr Chen and his son's professional credentials and their workmanship are impressive. Although I have seen the classical drawing of Chinese riverboat junks (as shown in Mr. Chen's portfolio) I had not given them much thought as there is no literature on the subject, my scant knowledge being derived from the seagoing junks you see on the South China Sea and from videos on Hongkong. I had suggested to Mr. Chen that he could perhaps design kits that will have a larger market than finished models. I had also sugested that he publish his research data, which I would be willing to help gratis. I have not received a response to date. However, I believe Mr. Chen would rather sell completed models at this time, thus my forwarding his request to this newsgroup. I have seen videos of China's Grand Canal where these riverboat junks still ply and those design solutions must have withstood the test of time to have persisted to this day. And from Mr. Chen's models there are more design types than I had suspected. As mentioned earlier the lack of any published authorative sources on the subject meant that other than being photogenic no one really knew anything about them. Such a publication will also help market his models. For those interested in the subject or in buying Mr. Chen's models may perhaps wish to correspond with him directly. _______________________________________________________ Shanghai Chen��s 7/640 ShanXi Rd. North Shanghai 200041 PR. China Phone: 8621-62565285 Fax: 0086-021-62565285 E-mail: gong101@shtel.net.cn June 19, 1999 Peng F. Mok Dear Sir: Here by I send to you the photo of my works (Sung Dynast ~ 1126AD.). This model won a gold medal for its vivid appearance and "Golden Anchor" special prize for its high score at Second International Vessel Model Exhibition sponsored by Liege Marine Club and NAVIGA in Belgium in summer of 1983. In addition, its great significance is that this model restored based upon a typical junk described in "TO THE RIVER BANK ON SPRING DAY". (Also named: Qing Ming Shang He Tu in Chinese language) Through many years of textual research, this may be the first example in the world. Here, for your information, I would like to give you a brief introduction on myself, and my textual research work and results. Which, I hope, will attract your attention and interest so that we can establish direct contact with each other, and cooperate for further research and introduction on Chinese junks building. Chinese ancient boats have very important position in the world of ship building history, and their distinctive forms and a variety of types are well know in the world, which is one of giant cultural heritages mankind. In particular, Chinese unique ancient boat construction technology still has many fields to be researched and explored. As a specialized researcher of Chinese ancient boats, it is my duty to open my research results for many years to the outside world and let more people to share these results. I have researched "Chinese junk history" and restored images of Chinese junks for more than 50 years and the only senior researcher at this field in China now. I am a senior engineer in Naval Architecture and Ocean Engineering Department in Shanghai Jiao Tong University. Among numerous Chinese ancient junks, the Bian Riverboats of Sung Dynasty are especially notable, which have very important position in the history of the Chinese junks, and the zenith in of Chinese ancient shipbuilding is "Sung Dynasty" (~ 1126A.D.), in which Bian Riverboats are most outstanding, covering a total of more than 20 types. (Refer to "TO THE RIVER BANK ON SPRING DAY" a well known painting made by famous artist Zhang Ze Duan of Sung Dynasty). I have been engaged in researching and restoring the Bian Riverboat over thirty years, so I can say I am the first and only one researcher in china, also in the world at this field. In 1982, I have restored the first type of the Bian Riverboat (passenger boat) after a long-time textual research, which has attracted close attention of academic fields and press circles. This model had won many medals in China, and win medals internationally as mentioned above. Since then, we have successively restored more than ten different types of Bian Riverboats, like Pleasure-boat; Grain carrier boat; etc, more than 9 of which are now collected separately in The History Museum of China; Beijing. The Chinese Ancient Junks Museum of Shangdong; and the Quanzhou Overseas Communications History Museum of Fujian. I have written some papers on "Bian Riverboat" including more than 200 structural break down charts which restoring models of them. Due to no strong economical support, all my valuable papers could not be published all the while. Now I am 77 years old and retired ten years ago from Naval Architecture and Ocean Engineering Department in Shanghai Jiao Tong University. Now my son, Chen Yong Zhu, is continuing this significant work, and he is my competent successor as he has been my good assistant for a long time. And also accumulated rich working experience in researching and making models of Chinese ancient boat for almost twenty years. We hope to restore a complete series of "Bian Riverboat" models (21 PCs), contribute to the world and the whole human being in this field. For this reason, I Would like to cooperate with you and get your support if possible, to put our desire into reality in the near future. At my home, I have several types of elaborated junk models. On Bian River, including: 1 The Passenger-boat on Bian River. (This model won a gold medal for its vivid appearance and "Golden Anchor" special prize for its high score at Second International Vessel Model Exhibition sponsored by Liege Marine Club and NAVIGA in Belgium, in 1983), Sung Dynasty 2 The Pleasure-boat on Bian River, Sung Dynasty 3 The Grain carrier boat (super fat) on Bian River, Sung Dynasty The others: 4 The Chuan-jiang merchantman, Sichuan province 5 The Gua-tzu passenger-cargo vessel, Sichuan province 6 The Crooked-stern, Sichuan province 7 The Siang yang chiu-tzu (wood-roofed boat), Sichuan province 8 The Hung-tou sampan (Shanghai harbor sampan), Shanghai 9 The Liang-chieh-tou (two-section junk), Grand Channel 10 The big ocean vessel for the Princess KuoKuo return to Arabia, Yuan Dynasty 11 The ocean vessel in Southern Sung Dynasty (unearthed, Quanzhou) etc. I believe you will be interested in our works, and models of Bian Riverboats and the others. Moreover, if you can accept and demonstrate the fruitful results of our works for many years, it will be the best support for us. I hope you can collect (purchase) some various scale ship models of ours, including Bian Riverboats, or introduce our situation and works to some model gallery, maritime museums, and nautical societies in your country if they are interested in Chinese junks. Because we have more difficulty to continue our work and helpless. You are warmly welcome to Shanghai at your convenience to see our works; and you will feel we need help by a person of the same occupation for sure. I would appreciate your quick response to my letter. I hope to keep in direct contact with you, and get your help for my work and explore the possibilities of cooperation. Please return to me by Fax, E-mail, or letter, thank you very much. Fax: 0086-021-62565285 0086-021-63605264 E-mail: gong101@shtel.net.cn Sincerely yours, Chen Shou Cheng Kelvin Mok (klmok@home.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: DD-304 and DD-306 Info >> While rambling through the building I work in, I found a framed enlargement of two USN flush-deck "four-piper" DDs visiting Crescent City, California in 1920. (They were anchored offshore; CC's harbor isn't THAT big!) No names were given, but their numbers, 304 and 306, were clearly visible. Can anyone clue me in on names and histories of these two vessels? Was either one involved in the Point Arguello disaster, which took place a few years later? << DD 304: USS FARQUHAR commissioned 5 Aug 1920, decomm 20 Feb 1930, stricken from the Navy List 18 Nov 1930, used as a barracks ship, scrapped & sold 1931 DD 306: USS KENNEDY comm 28 Aug 1930, decomm 1 May 30, stricken from the Navy List 18 Nov 1930 FARQUHAR had an engineering casualty and was not able to leave port on time with her sisters of DesRon 11 on 7 Sept 1923; she missed the Point Arguello event. KENNEDY was the flagship of DesDiv32, four of the 4-stacker DDs making the high speed engineering economy run from San Francisco to San Diego. The fourteen ships were in a column of the Squadron Flagship, followed by the four ships of DesDiv 33, the five ships of DesDiv 31, then KENNEDY and the other three ships of DesDiv 32. At 2105 on the 8th of September, in fog, being influenced by an inshore current, and improperly reading electronic radio navigation aids, the Squadron ran onto the rocks (the Devil's Jaw) near Pt. Pedernalles, near Lompoc, CA. The first five ships went aground, either on the Point, or the rocks offshore, followed by the seventh and tenth ships in the column. The OOD on KENNEDY thought he found a navigation error that placed the column too close to the land to port, but the Division Commander did not want to bring it to the attention of the Squadron Commander. As a result, when the ships ahead started to bunch up, DesDiv 32 was ordered to turn to starboard, seaward, and they were saved from the disaster that wrecked seven ships, killed 23 sailors and sunk a number of careers. Reference: "Tragedy at Honda", by Vadm Charles Lockwood & Hans Adamson, 1960; an gripping but painful read, and "Flush Decks & Four Pipes" by Cdr John Alden, 1965 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Dave Pearce" Subject: Rodney On page 242 of Janes Naval History of WWII is a drawing of Rodney in a green camoflauge scheme apparently worn in June 1942. Does anyone know where I might find more details of this scheme? Dave Pearce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: APMA site update Hi gang, As soon as tonight's SMML goes out, I'll be doing a major upgrade of the APMA site. This will include pictures from the NSW Challenge Shield. Also I'll be updating the member's models page to include amongst others Dave Muir's 1982 IPMS(UK) Nats Senior Championship winner. Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Destroyer build entries Just a quick reminder. Steve Wiper and I have already discussed this. So Steve if I'm wrong here, chime in. You will need to enter the DD models in thier regular category. Steve will be the judge for his award. By entering this way you will still be eligible for all other IPMS awards (best ship, 1st, 2nd etc.) as well as Steve's. They will then be judged by IPMS judges. If there are adequate numbers of 1/700 destroyers I'll consider a category split, but no promises. It's up to you modelers. Rusty White Head Ship Judge IPMS(USA) National Contest Committee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume