Subject: SMML09/07/99VOL601 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:06:37 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: 1/700 Battleships 2: Re: Heller Blucher conversion 3: HMS Ariadne + USS Alywin questions 4: HMS Amazon & Ambuscade 5: Maritime Things in NYC 6: Re: HMS COSSACK 7: Re: SMML numbers 8: Admiral Galley 9: Paint Chunks 10: Cossack 11: Re: Marines Magazine, Algerie Book, Warship 1998-99 12: Re: More Good fortune 13: Re: HMS Cossack 14: Admiralty Documents 15: Congratulations 16: Re: Help needed identifying a model 17: Re: 600th issue 18: Painting 19: 1/350 HMS Hood rumour?? 20: Congrat's 4 your 600th -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Iron Shipwrights HMS Hood kit 2: Book for sale 3: 1/350 Ship Fittings 4: Model Expo has USS Olympia - $12.99 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Re: 1/700 Battleships John, All three ships of the New Mexico class are available from Classic Warships. I think they also have the Nevada and Arkansas planned as future releases, so that leaves you only with the Utahs (which were relegated to training vessels around WW2 so could easily be omitted). Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Tirpitz70@webtv.net (Rich Hahn) Subject: Re: Heller Blucher conversion Hello! Peter, thanks for your suggestions, it's nice to find another Blucher fan! Will try out your idea for the Admiral's bridge enclosure. As far as the bow, I tried a method I read on here. Someone had an Airfix Scharnhorst, and wanted to add the clipper bow. The answer was to build it up with modeling putty, and sand to shape. I tried this and had great resuls. I have noticed the funnel cap difference between her and Hipper, but will try to sand and shape it to match Blucher's. I would try the Prinz Eugen's cap, but I only have one PE to start with! The book "Schwerer Kreuzer Blucher" by Binder? Schlunz has an excellent photo of the cap very close up. I just sent for the GMM detail set for German warships, will add a lot to the appearance, for sure! Thanks for the help, and that Seydlitz project sounds cool! Rich Hahn Bensalem, PA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: HMS Ariadne + USS Alywin questions Hello everybody, I've got a couple of questions for some upcoming projects of mine: 1) I just got a Matchbox 1/700 Ariadne kit from eBay, and was wondering how accurate the painting instructions are? If they are incorrect, what would the correct colors be? 2) I want to build the USS Alywin in dazzle camo, but can only find photos of the paint scheme for the port side as in this photo: http://navsource.org/Archives/DD/DD-355_Aylwin4.jpg Does anyone know of photos of the starboard side or will I have to fudge it? Also, what colors would be used in this scheme- are they the grays and blacks used in most DD schemes or is there any blue in it? I can't tell from the photo. Thanks in advance. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: HMS Amazon & Ambuscade Try one of the plan companies, McGregor or Sambrook. Of interest is the superb photo of Ambuscade in 1943 in The Royal Navy in Focus in World War II by Warlow and Goodman. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Humber, Thom" Subject: Maritime Things in NYC Concerning the US Merchant Marine Academy. This would indeed be a good place to go, although right now some things (i.e. the piers) may be off-limits as the new class is now reporting and spending their time in indoc. The museum is always open, except for Federal holidays along with the Midshipmen Chapel, with a memorial to the 142 cadets and other alumni that died in WWII. Wiley Hall, the administration building, also houses the 6 battle standards earned during WWII, incidentally the only US Federal Service Academy to have earned ANY battle standards. The campus is very beautiful, but quite busy with the new midshipmen and all of the fun they are having now. The web address for the school and museum link can be found at http://www.usmma.edu Have fun Thom Humber -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: HMS COSSACK Believe it or not, the capture of ALTMARK was filmed and appears on the video "Colour Camera At Sea" that I recently picked up from WEM. I'll take a look again and see if there are any useful shots of COSSACK. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys BTW: anyone interested in the RN in WW2 should contact Caroline and get this video! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: SMML numbers Shane: Interesting post about the membership. The Maritime History List (MARHST-L), which has been around a good deal longer than SMML, yesterday proudly announced that list membership had hit 600.... John (Where we're between heat waves, but the temperature is going back up to 104F in the next couple of days.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Doremus, Mark" Subject: Admiral Galley I remember finding Admiral Galley's books while I was in high school (too many years ago). I read them all, the fiction and autobiography, with great interest. I learned about "sea bats" there and passed the story along to my son, a new sailor. I understood from his autobiography that he was part of the "Admiral's Revolt", but I didn't realize until recently that he was a senior commander (CNO?) at the time. I've also heard the upside down plane story from a WWII aviation cadet. Seems he and his instructor were between two layers of clouds, saw another plane in the distance, they rolled inverted and flew over the hapless victim who then tried to "right" is trainer. Mark Doremus Remember, the early worm gets eaten! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Paint Chunks >> 2) What are some simple ways to filter paint. My paint has a bunch of tiny chunks in it that clog the airbrush nozzle? << Missed the original post. Prevent dried paint from forming in the container and clogging your airbrush, plus a host of other problems such as welding the bottle lid shut, adopt the following practice. Never shake the paint. Always wipe clean the lid and the area inside and outside the bottle neck. That little bit of wasted paint saves a whole bottle's worth. Use a bamboo skewer which costs a dollar or so for a full pack at any grocery store to stir the paint taking care that none spills over the lip of the container. Wipe off any spills. Use a drinking straw (stop one end with a finger to hold the paint - remember your lab class?) or a paint brush to transfer the paint to your airbrush cup. If using an artist's brush draw off the excess paint by wiping it on the inside of the bottle's neck not on the bottle lip. The reason is that when you shake the bottle some paint sticks onto the lid. You place the lid on the table and that paint flows to the edges and wicks part way up the screw treads of the lid. Screw the lid back on and that paint is transferred to treads. The next time the bottle is opened that paint on the tread dries and a fresh layer is added from the lid. This dried paint builds up until the bottle is welded shut and you have to scrape it off. In the meantime chunks of half dried and dried paint falls back into the wet paint. If you use acrylics and add solvents such as alcohol or windshield washer to dilute the paint NEVER pour the unused paint back into the bottle. Somehow these solvents cause the paint carrier to gel into some sticky goo which you can never get back into solution no matter how much you stir. Thinning acrylics with plain water had always worked for me. Kelvin Mok (klmok@home.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: CHRIS DRAGE Subject: Cossack Hi John >> Can anybody out there in SMMLie-land tell me about the appearance of Cossack at this time (February, 1940)? I seem to recall a rather murky shot of Cossack with her bow knocked off in the second battle of Narvik (April, 1940), in which she appeared to have a mid-grey hull and somewhat lighter grey upperworks. Can anybody confirm this, and also the colour of her decks? << If you can find a WEM Cossack model you will have the model you require! I have a photo of Cossack diorama in the second battle of Narvik with her bow shot off on the Warship site. Check it out. For COLOUR evidence check out the Naval Video Time Capsule "Colour Camera At Sea" it actually has live footage of the Cossack entering the fiord and of the Altmarck as well! Contact me off list if you wish. Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo.... (Te reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: DZermati@aol.com Subject: Re: Marines Magazine, Algerie Book, Warship 1998-99 I have seen it in a bookshop in Paris last Saturday. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: More Good fortune Hello Chris and Shane, Last month at my local club meeting I noticed (well, more like fell over) a 1/72 Flower for sale. The guy was asking $100 and I talked him down to $75 and then gave him $80 and told him to keep the change. Now the big question - do I work on it or my $126 1/200 Yamato? (I'm ducking for cover) Best regards, Duane (I really do have a life if only I could remember where I put it) Fowler Duane, do you really expect me to answer that question & possibly risk the wrath of certain people ;-)) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Clifford Franklin Subject: Re: HMS Cossack The photo of the tribal "with her bow knocked off" is actually of Eskimo after the second battle of Narvik. Cossack in February 1940 appears to have been painted in overall dark grey AP507A, with the same colour used on the decks not covered with corticene (which has a milk chocolate colour). As she was a flotilla leader she did not have her pennant numbers painted on, and the top part of her fore funnel was painted black. The one spot of colour may be her motor boat, which appears lighter in shade in photos, and may have been painted light blue (as a guess). At this time, Cossack had not been altered from her pre-war appearance, so still had all four 4.7" turrets, a full height after funnel, and a main mast. There are a number of photos (possibly IWM) that show her returning to the UK after the operation, her decks crowded with the released merchant seamen as she docks. She also appears in the RN video "Colour Camera at Sea", which shows her moving up the fiord on her way to the Altmark. Hope this helps Cliff Franklin New Zealand Where the cold rain has finally ceased, but I don't care because I'm off to the US tomorrow, where I hear it is rather warm. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Kim Tomlinson Subject: Admiralty Documents I am looking for Admiralty Documents on Royal Navy Camouflage, all the ones I have to date are from the Public Records Office in London. I am particually after document CB 3098 (45)R "The camouflage of ships at sea" which the PRO does not seem to have. Does any one have this document, that could send me a photocopy of (I am willing to cover the cost). Or does any one know of an official source (Maritime museum, Public Records Office or similar, else where in the world) Thank you for any help given, Kim. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "mkrumrey" Subject: Congratulations Shane: Congratulations on the 600th SMML. I look forward to it everyday. I am in the modeling doldrums here in the great upper midwest, but still enjoy the list. Will overcome the doldrums, and be building in the fall. Thanks again, and keep up the good work. Mark Krumrey (Tropical) New Richmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Edward Malewitz Subject: Re: Help needed identifying a model The Gearing-like old destroyer with the catapult was the U.S.S. Halford, made by Aurora. I remember (barely!) building one while recovering from oral surgery 42 years ago. Ed Malewitz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: 600th issue >> Welcome to the 600th issue of SMML. Time for a quick update of subscribers, we now have over 900 subscribers to SMML. So keep up the good work of making this into one of the best modelling lists around. Shane << And not a flame war in any of them! Truly a tribute to your fine efforts! We should all hoist a glass to you. I'll crack open a flagon of single malt :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer Thanks Bradford. But lets not forget Greg & his efforts in starting & running SMML. Plus the rest of the subscribers as well ;-). As for flame wars, well, lets just say there has only been a couple of brush fires & leave it at that. It figures you start a flagon where I can't get at it ;-)). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: kenny_II Subject: Painting As I follow the thread on painting, I'm starting to wonder that I'm doing it wrong. I spent 15 years running an automobile repair shop, and I got in the habit of removing as many trim and non essential items from the body before painting. It is impossible to exactly mask everything, and this keeps paint off the door locks, lenses, etc. I paint the ship's hull, deck and superstructure separately. This way I don't get overspray or bad mask lines. I sometimes have to do a brush touchup after final assembly, but it's very small work and not noticeable. I sub assembled the superstructure of my 1/350'th Prince of Wales, masked the cammo pattern by setting it on the deck, and then hung it from a wire to paint it. I'm very happy with the results, I can't imagine trying to work that tape around with the whole thing glued together. Basically the last things to be assembled were the deck, hull and completed superstructure sections. This method also gets the nice demarcation between the steel hull and wooden deck without special masking. Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Thomas Richardson Subject: 1/350 HMS Hood rumour?? I have heard about a company in Europe, I think they are called ICS or something similar, that produces injection molded models. I understand from my local dealer that they are coming out with a 1/350 scale of the HMS Hood. Has anyone else heard of this? Thank you kindly. Rev Thomas Richardson "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherin thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." Romans 2:1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Norman Alfred Sells Subject: Congrat's 4 your 600th Well done and looking forward to the next 600(makes a change from looking forward to the Millenium) Just for a change of topic here's some Naval Humour from sunny 'England' British Naval Officer Fitness Reports Thought you might enjoy these.... EXCERPTS FROM BRITISH NAVAL OFFICER FITNESS REPORTS 1. His men would follow him anywhere, but only out of curiosity. 2. I would not breed from this officer. 3. This officer is really not so much of a has-been, but more of a definitely won't-be. 4. When she opens her mouth, it seems that this is only to change whichever foot was previously in there. 5. He has carried out each and every one of his duties to his entire satisfaction. 6. He would be out of his depth in a car-park puddle. 7. Technically sound but socially impossible. 8. This officer reminds me very much of a gyroscope, always spinning around at a frantic pace but not really going anywhere. 9. This young lady has delusions of adequacy. 10. When he joined my ship, this officer was something of a granny; since then, he has aged considerably. 11. This medical officer has used my ship to carry his genitals from port to port, and my officers to carry him from bar to bar. 12. Since my last report, he has reached rock bottom, and has started to dig. 13. He sets low personal standards, and then consistently fails to achieve them. 14. He has the wisdom of youth and the energy of old age. 15. This officer should go far - and the sooner he starts, the better. 16. In my opinion, this pilot should not be authorized to fly below 250 feet. 17. The only ship I would recommend this officer for is citizenship. 18. Works well under constant supervision and cornered like a rat in a trap. 19. This man is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot. 20. Only occasionally wets himself under pressure. ....................... All The Very Best.... Norman SELLS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Iron Shipwrights HMS Hood kit Hi Everyone, Ted Paris and I would like to thank all of the people that puchased this kit, and let everyone know that this kit is now out of production. The entire run of kits has been sold, and no more will be produced. As for those who have purchased the kit, we will continue to support the kit, so if anyone has a problem with this kit or any other, either through our fault or yours, please don't hesitate to give us a call toll free at 888-IRONSHIP, and we'll have replacements on the way as soon as possible. Once again, thank you very much for your business. Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Book for sale Cruisers of World War Two by M.J. Whitley Out of Print- like new condition, will sell for $40.00, includes postage. Send check or money order to- Mike Davis P.O. Box 38594 Dallas, TX. 75238 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: 1/350 Ship Fittings Classic Warships will debut its new line of fittings at the IPMS(USA) National Convention in Orlando, FL. on July 22-24. I have taken all the different items that normally come in one of my kits and packaged them in small separate sets, specifically for the scratch builder, or as additions for any kit you may be working on. Now I have 38 available, and by the end of August, I should have about 50. So, if you need to add more 40 Man Life Rafts, SOC Seagulls to an existing kit, or your scratch building a New Mexico Cl. Battleship, I have got a fitting set to suit almost any USN or IJN 1/350 ship. A complete list with prices will be posted soon on the Classic Warships Web Site @: http://www.classicwarships.simplenet.com See you at the show! Steve Wiper/Classic Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Conan35@aol.com Subject: Model Expo has USS Olympia - $12.99 Model Expo, Inc. just got in a large shipment of the USS Olympia by Revell. Our selling price is $12.99. We also have received a number of Revell-Germany kits. All are on our web site at http://www.modelexpoinc.com Best Regards Rob Finley Web Site Mgr. Model Expo, Inc. http://www.modelexpoinc.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume