Subject: SMML16/07/99VOL608 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:41:09 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USN camouflage site. 2: Hood Colours 3: "Show-off" George Washington SSBN 4: Batchelor and Tinplate 5: Re: Batchelor and tinplate techniques. 6: Re: HOOD colours 7: Re: tinplating 8: Re: HMS Hood's Final Colour Scheme 9: Coast Guard Trivia 10: Re: Help looking for USS Springfield CL66 OR Miami Model 11: Re: How do you tell the difference.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: PE for sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Hello everyone, Sorry SMML is late but the server has been down for the last 10 hours. Great thing to happen to the stand-in :-( Thanks to all those who sent get well messages to Shane, he really appreciated them as he is still feeling pretty miserable Mistress Lorna ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Sheridan, John" Subject: Re: USN camouflage site. >> This site is very good. One thing that I miss are color schemes of designs one there is - it's very good) with decks... << I will be adding drawings of all of the camo schemes as soon as I can get around to drawing them. John Sheridan Visit my USN Ship Camo site at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jrsheridan/ I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Hood Colours Hi Arne The Hood website equates AP507B to Humbrol No. 145 Medium Grey. I've never actually attempted AP507A so I'm unsure on this one. Chris Langtree ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: rickl@efortress.com Subject: "Show-off" George Washington SSBN I built both Renwall and Revell SSBNs when they were first issued and the comments are regarding the fit of the various components are close to the mark. If I remember correctly the Revell tubes were all molded together and were not so bad to fit but the Renwall tubes were 16 individual tubes that passed through one deck with 16 holes. The hull profile of the Revell boat was a reasonable reprentation of the George Washington class with its more pronounced missle hump while the Renwall model was closer to the Ethan Allen class. The hull halves of my Renwall boat actually did close tightly but the Revell sub -- no chance. If memory serves the Revell model did have decals for various interior panels while Renwall supplied raised dials that you got to paint yourself. It should be remembered however that both of these kits were engineered in the late 1950's when expectations for accuracy, not to mention reliable information, were not what they are now. When the Revell kit was introduced I remember controversy in the press over a breach of national security by displaying the top secret interior of the boat to the Russians. The controversy was very much akin to the flap that accompanied the intorduction of the Stealth Fighter by Testors in the mid-1980s. These kits were both sensational in their day. Introduced in the middle of the Cold War when the Hungarian Revolution, Quemoy and Matsu and the U-2 were fresh memories. When styrene plastic models had been on store shelves for around 7 years. Rick Lundin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Ron Hillsden, Victoria BC Canada" Subject: Batchelor and Tinplate H T N Batchelor has a chapter on Tinplate Construction in Scale Model Warships edited by John Bowen. ISBN 0 85177 170 X. mine is published by Conway Maritime Press in 1978. Interesting reading. Ron Hillsden Victoria BC Canada My boat club: http://members.home.net/vmss/ Modelmakers Flags: http://members.home.net/ron-hillsden/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Batchelor and tinplate techniques. MODEL SHIPS & POWER BOATS (a Percival Marshall publication) carried articles on metal hulls by F.C. Chapman in February and March 1952. Also MODEL MAKER (later MODEL BOATS) had articles by R.R. Eltridge on building a metal-hulled merchantman in Feb, Mar and Apr 1965. The late Norman Ough also wrote some excellent articles on tinplate techniques in either MODEL MAKER or MODEL BOATS in the fifties or sixties. Unfortunately I cannot lay my hands on the specific journals in which they appeared. I do not recall anything by Batchelor on the subject, the only Batchelor I know of is a very gifted illustrator of ships, planes and the like who drew for many publications. I have copies of the Chapman and Eltridge articles on file. Mike London ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: HOOD colours Arne: I can't give you any Humbrol equivalents, but 507A and 507B are both included (along with 20 other colours) in the set of Royal Navy paint chips we just released, and will allow you to mix and match using your favorite model paints. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Lamar Jones Subject: Re: tinplating There is an article by D. J. Stewart in Model Shipwright on tinplate construction, issue #23, pps.30-34. If a copy isn't available send me an e-mail and I'll copy the article and mail it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: AllenFW2@aol.com Subject: Re: HMS Hood's Final Colour Scheme Hood was painted in scheme AP507B (a 50/50 mix of AP507A and AP507C). Using the research done by Alan Raven (published in PSM) I contacted Munsell to find a modern day equivalent. The colour ends up being a very medium gray...not dark, not light. It also had a slight bluish/purple tinge (very slight). I haven't been able to find a pre-mixed colour that is a 100% match...I've had to mix mine by hand. As for decks, the teak decks were unpainted. They've been described by our president (HMS Hood Association) Ted Briggs as being very dull and drab (I take that to mean they didn't have much time for holy stoning after the war began). As for metal decks, they were dark gray. I also believe the reddish-brown corticene on the bridge levels was removed and dark gray paint put in it's place. Masts were painted hull colour (not black as some folks believe). The closest Humbrol colour is #145...just needs to be lightened a bit for scale effect. You can find a brief article on Hood's final paint scheme on the "Battle Cruiser Hood" web site (http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/2966/Models/Hoodpaint.html) By the way, which model are you building? I'm assuming the Tamiya 1/700? If so, please contact me off-line so I can tell you all about the various problems it has (all fairly easily fixed). Frank Allen Battle Cruiser Hood- The HMS Hood On-line Resource http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/2966/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Coast Guard Trivia Rusty said, >> Look for the two swabs wearing the dixie cups for information. One will be showing his age in the US Coast Guard's former dress uniform, and the other will be in the uniform of the other maritime service. (Trivia question: How can you tell the difference between the two?) << If both are wearing dixie cups and white jumpers, I'd guess by the blue USCG cuff shield. Of course, Coast Guardsmen sometimes still wore the white Donald Duck hat into the 1970s until the coat-and-tie uniform was adopted. The USN officially dropped the blue Donald Duck hat around 1962. Mike L Alexandria, VA USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: BD549@aol.com Subject: Re: Help looking for USS Springfield CL66 OR Miami Model Looking for a model of the USS Springfield CL 66 or the Miami that I can convert to the Springfield preferably in a large size. Any help would be appreciated, thanks , Brian Demuth ,bd549@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: How do you tell the difference.... Gene Katz wrote: >> USCG swabs...had to be over 6 feet tall so they could wade ashore when their boat sinks. << And Caroline Carter chimed in with: >> and John Snyder (yes, I've SEEN that uniform.. pretty amazing he can still get into it at his age!!) << I TOLD Duane that that was a leading question to toss to this group!!! Just remember, you young 'uns: old age and treachery will overcome youth and enthusiasm every time! John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: PE for sale Hi group, GMM 700 scale USN BB $10. I will pay the postage. Keith Butterley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume